I did it manually

Well, try Hamachi. I ran into problems when trying to do it manually as well. There are tutorials all over youtube for specfics if you need them.

is this better?

Look at these tones:

Better, but you still seem to be heavy with the red. Sample some skin tones from colour photographs and compare them side-b-side.

No, of course not. My relationships are of significant value to me. My love for Christ doesn't diminish them, it's just more important than them. But that's like saying paying my rent is more important than paying my phone bill. I need both. But my rent is obviously more pertinent.

You need a house to live, but you don't need your phone to live. Are you saying that friends and family mean as much to as non-essential material objects? That you don't need anyone else in your life but Jesus?

You underestimate my dependency on my phone. But okay, I'll use a different analogy. Jesus is like my right hand, and my loved ones are like my left hand. I'm right-handed, so I rely more heavily upon my right hand. But that's not to say I don't need my left hand. Things would be much more difficult without it, but if for some reason I had to give up one, I'd give up my left hand before my right one.

inb4 fap jokes

I've gathered all the info I need on the subject and understand your commitment, but I would still be a bit hesitant when taking orders from one person to abandon everything and everyone I lived for.

That's completely understandable and I sympathize with your hesitance. I admit it would be with heavy sorrow that I'd turn away from my Earth family. But I would feel obligated to obey all the same.

Some people only worship God when He blesses them, and then when He stops, they lose their faith in Him. That makes their faith superficial and meaningless. It's essentially letting God just buy their love. But sometimes He takes away their blessings so that they love Him freely and then it becomes more real. God ruined Job's life so that Job's faith would become more real.

Job was a just person who accepted God and treated others as he wanted to be treated, even going as far as seeking forgiveness for his children's potential sins. It seems that all God did was scare Job into revering him even more. Was he not good enough for God before?

It's not that he wasn't good enough, it's that God wanted to make his faith stronger.

What was wrong with his faith beforehand, though? Apparently his faith wasn't good enough to the point where God intervened. In the end, the only difference in Jobs life were memories of suffering and loss and a fear of a being who could punish you no matter how you behave. It sounds like he chose to submit to God out of fear rather than selfless devotion.

Well sort of, yes. We are told to fear God, but you need to understand what "fear" means in this context. It doesn't mean to just be scared of God at all times because He could crush you like a bug (although that's a good thing to remember). It means to recognize that God is supremely powerful, and therefore there is no use fearing anything else because God is infinitely greater than whatever it is you're scared of. That's not to say bad things won't happen to you if you worship Him, because bad things happen to everybody. But we should recognize and worship His power anyway, because doing so will allow us entrance into heaven. Of course, I have to admit that's a stretch in this context because at the time of Job, humans weren't able to go to heaven under any circumstances. But it applies today. Maybe He did this to make an example of how all people should behave now that we do have access to heaven.

Does Job now inhabit the first circle of hell, or purgatory?

Not sure. Yesterday I read an article saying that after Jesus opened heaven to the public, the righteous people who had been in She'ol (afterlife in the Old Testament housing everyone who died, regardless of conduct or faith) were saved from there. She'ol, according to another article which I'm reading right now, was divided into two sections separated by a chasm, a place of comfort (but not heaven) and a place of torment. I'm sure Job was sent to the place of comfort.

She'ol is mentioned in Luke 16:19-31 if you want to read it. It's interesting especially from a literary perspective, because it talks about a man in She'ol named Lazarus, but it's not the same Lazarus that Jesus resurrected. A rich man in the place of torment begs Abraham to send Lazaruz back to Earth to warn the man's family of the afterlife, and Abraham refuses because according to him, a man coming back to life would not sway the faith of those who denied the teachings of Moses. I found this ironic.

I keep thinking Sheol is exclusive to Jewish and forget it's Christian as well.
Sounds like an afterlife away from afterlife.

Haha, indeed. I actually didn't know about it myself until very recently. I used to think it was just hell.

Fair enough.

In all seriousness. What if he did not want an audience with you unless you bowed before him. What then?

I guess i wouldn't get that audience then.

Fair enough.

Yes, I behaved like a retard.
The Tanach is the old testament.

It happens to the best of us! lol

lol *canon

What if he shanked you.

I guess I would die...again. lol

In all seriousness. What if he did not want an audience with you unless you bowed before him. What then?

I guess i wouldn't get that audience then.

Fair enough.

You would only be brought to Valhalla if you died in valiant combat.

I don't plan on dying any other way!

Well supposed you saw the Christian deity or Allah, then what would be your reaction?

I think we would have a lengthy conversation regarding his/her power, role in the universe/human history, and true intentions regarding human behavior and thought. What I do next really depends on what I'm told.

What if he shanked you.

I guess I would die...again. lol

In all seriousness. What if he did not want an audience with you unless you bowed before him. What then?

I guess i wouldn't get that audience then.

Fair enough.

You know how Thor is the God of Thunders, or how Aphrodite is the Goddess of Love?
Yeah, the Book of Job sort of shows that the Christian god is the God of Douchebaggery.

Please see my response to Ragnarfag. I could have placed it here but I felt it was a more fitting reply to his comment.

But why did he test Job at all? Job showed his commitment for God before everything he loved was taken from him. He had a great life while serving his lord without question. If God was "testing" Job so he would continue worshiping him, I don't see a difference between God's intervention and terrorism.

Some people only worship God when He blesses them, and then when He stops, they lose their faith in Him. That makes their faith superficial and meaningless. It's essentially letting God just buy their love. But sometimes He takes away their blessings so that they love Him freely and then it becomes more real. God ruined Job's life so that Job's faith would become more real.

Job was a just person who accepted God and treated others as he wanted to be treated, even going as far as seeking forgiveness for his children's potential sins. It seems that all God did was scare Job into revering him even more. Was he not good enough for God before?

It's not that he wasn't good enough, it's that God wanted to make his faith stronger.

What was wrong with his faith beforehand, though? Apparently his faith wasn't good enough to the point where God intervened. In the end, the only difference in Jobs life were memories of suffering and loss and a fear of a being who could punish you no matter how you behave. It sounds like he chose to submit to God out of fear rather than selfless devotion.

Well sort of, yes. We are told to fear God, but you need to understand what "fear" means in this context. It doesn't mean to just be scared of God at all times because He could crush you like a bug (although that's a good thing to remember). It means to recognize that God is supremely powerful, and therefore there is no use fearing anything else because God is infinitely greater than whatever it is you're scared of. That's not to say bad things won't happen to you if you worship Him, because bad things happen to everybody. But we should recognize and worship His power anyway, because doing so will allow us entrance into heaven. Of course, I have to admit that's a stretch in this context because at the time of Job, humans weren't able to go to heaven under any circumstances. But it applies today. Maybe He did this to make an example of how all people should behave now that we do have access to heaven.

Does Job now inhabit the first circle of hell, or purgatory?

Not sure. Yesterday I read an article saying that after Jesus opened heaven to the public, the righteous people who had been in She'ol (afterlife in the Old Testament housing everyone who died, regardless of conduct or faith) were saved from there. She'ol, according to another article which I'm reading right now, was divided into two sections separated by a chasm, a place of comfort (but not heaven) and a place of torment. I'm sure Job was sent to the place of comfort.

She'ol is mentioned in Luke 16:19-31 if you want to read it. It's interesting especially from a literary perspective, because it talks about a man in She'ol named Lazarus, but it's not the same Lazarus that Jesus resurrected. A rich man in the place of torment begs Abraham to send Lazaruz back to Earth to warn the man's family of the afterlife, and Abraham refuses because according to him, a man coming back to life would not sway the faith of those who denied the teachings of Moses. I found this ironic.

I keep thinking Sheol is exclusive to Jewish and forget it's Christian as well.
Sounds like an afterlife away from afterlife.

Haha, indeed. I actually didn't know about it myself until very recently. I used to think it was just hell.

Well , it would proof that god isn't omniscience.
But I don't know if it is seen canonical in the christan faith.

Oh, it is, I was a little bit retarded here.
But it's odd since it's stated in this book that god is omniscient.

God wasn't testing Job for His own benefit. He knew how Job would respond. He was testing him so that Job could actually continue worshiping God in spite of his many losses. Our faith holds more weight in times of suffering than in times of prosperity, because it means we're not just worshiping God because He blesses us, but rather that we're worshiping Him because we love and trust Him. And God wanted Job to live out this principle, because it would benefit Job spiritually.

I know Satan was involved, but I don't believe proving a point to Satan was a matter of priority for God. Even if it was Satan who initiated the persecution, God could still have been using it as an opportunity to strengthen Job's faith. Proving Satan wrong was just a bonus.

Okay, fine, I'll concede. But that just means that God had even more reasoning for testing Job than what usually gets talked about.

Good point, wasn't thinking about that.
Thank you.

Anytime.

The BoJ is considered a cannon by Christianity.

Yes, I behaved like a retard.
The Tanach is the old testament.

It happens to the best of us! lol

lol *canon

Jesus went to hell and then came back in order to give us eternity in heaven. No one else that has ever lived could have done that. It's the greatest sacrifice and gift we could ever hope to ask for. We owe Him everything.

Does that mean your relationship with everyone you know means nothing to you if you were told to turn your back on them? People who have endured hardship and strife to make you happy, to keep you alive and well?

Do you think that just because no one has gone through what Jesus has means that they wouldn't suffer just as much - or even more - for you?

No, of course not. My relationships are of significant value to me. My love for Christ doesn't diminish them, it's just more important than them. But that's like saying paying my rent is more important than paying my phone bill. I need both. But my rent is obviously more pertinent.

You need a house to live, but you don't need your phone to live. Are you saying that friends and family mean as much to as non-essential material objects? That you don't need anyone else in your life but Jesus?

You underestimate my dependency on my phone. But okay, I'll use a different analogy. Jesus is like my right hand, and my loved ones are like my left hand. I'm right-handed, so I rely more heavily upon my right hand. But that's not to say I don't need my left hand. Things would be much more difficult without it, but if for some reason I had to give up one, I'd give up my left hand before my right one.

inb4 fap jokes

I've gathered all the info I need on the subject and understand your commitment, but I would still be a bit hesitant when taking orders from one person to abandon everything and everyone I lived for.

That's completely understandable and I sympathize with your hesitance. I admit it would be with heavy sorrow that I'd turn away from my Earth family. But I would feel obligated to obey all the same.

Because Jesus loves me more than anyone else ever could. I love my friends and family and I even try to love my enemies as we're supposed to do. But when your God tells you to do something, you do it, regardless of everything else.

Just for clarity, though, when Jesus commanded us to forsake our wives, children, fields, etc, to follow Him, He didn't mean literally. He meant to place all those things second in order to put your faith first. So when you hear atheists bitching about child neglect and all that, be sure to understand the context of the Scripture.

Why would Jesus be able to love you more than anyone else?

I'm not referring to what he already said, but what if he literally told you to kill the closest person to you, someone who loves you more than anything else, without any reason.
What, specifically, would drive you to follow through with this?

Jesus went to hell and then came back in order to give us eternity in heaven. No one else that has ever lived could have done that. It's the greatest sacrifice and gift we could ever hope to ask for. We owe Him everything.

Does that mean your relationship with everyone you know means nothing to you if you were told to turn your back on them? People who have endured hardship and strife to make you happy, to keep you alive and well?

Do you think that just because no one has gone through what Jesus has means that they wouldn't suffer just as much - or even more - for you?

No, of course not. My relationships are of significant value to me. My love for Christ doesn't diminish them, it's just more important than them. But that's like saying paying my rent is more important than paying my phone bill. I need both. But my rent is obviously more pertinent.

You need a house to live, but you don't need your phone to live. Are you saying that friends and family mean as much to as non-essential material objects? That you don't need anyone else in your life but Jesus?

You underestimate my dependency on my phone. But okay, I'll use a different analogy. Jesus is like my right hand, and my loved ones are like my left hand. I'm right-handed, so I rely more heavily upon my right hand. But that's not to say I don't need my left hand. Things would be much more difficult without it, but if for some reason I had to give up one, I'd give up my left hand before my right one.

inb4 fap jokes

I've gathered all the info I need on the subject and understand your commitment, but I would still be a bit hesitant when taking orders from one person to abandon everything and everyone I lived for.

That's completely understandable and I sympathize with your hesitance. I admit it would be with heavy sorrow that I'd turn away from my Earth family. But I would feel obligated to obey all the same.

quite possibly, but what's more idiotic? to blindly follow what a book says without question? or to question what's read and seek an answer?

I didn't specifically mean the idiot part; I couldn't think of a more common phrase with babbling.
I was just curious if this is where babbling's definition stems from.

>what's more idiotic? to blindly follow what a book says without question? or to question what's read and seek an answer?

You are asking that rhetorically, right?

Awwwww.