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|#137 - People venerate the katana as it is some magical blade. … [+] (18 new replies)||12/05/2013 on Suck it, weaboos.||+10|
#150 - angelusprimus (12/05/2013) [-]
No it isn't, please go read article I linked.
Longsword weights in average only 3 lbs, its desgined to hurt joints, and combat is designed to throw opponent on the ground and then STAB. To throw opponent on the ground, you will generally use the shield, which is just as much offensive as defensive weapon.
Longsword doesn't have the weight or focus to blunt hurt enemies in plate. And it is strong enough to cut through chainmail with repeated hits.
For blunt damage you need a mace, or preferably war hammer.
#185 - varrlegrimscythe (12/05/2013) [-]
Actually that is the weight of a modern longsword made with good quality steel, with the forging methods of midevil times they would put the blade at around 10 pounds due to they had to fold iron or steal (the Japanese weren't the only ones who used this process) more metal was used in the creation of the blade, making it heavier, some great swords weighed up to 30+ pounds.
#191 - angelusprimus (12/05/2013) [-]
That is completely discredited old historical error.
All of the research done in the swords in past 25 years completely discredits that theory. Not to mention found swords which never pass weight of 6lbs. For two handed swords.
here is a good starting point, again:
#157 - oikake (12/05/2013) [-]
sorry, but common sense says that if a 3 lb sword hit me one and area of plat close to my flesh, the blunt force trauma would still hurt a lot. if not break bone.
And with chainmail the hit would hurt more, they wouldnt need to repeatedly hit the same spot, 1 good clean torso shot would break ribs.
I didnt delve into fighting style deeply, and i know there were blunt weapons designed to specifically cause that trauma.
But just because a sword is sharp, doesnt mean the effect couldnt and didnt cause a lot of blunt trauma to armoured foes.
By limiting yourself to the view of a sword being used one way and having only one effect you limit your own understanding of a weapon.
Use you own knowledge, your imagination of the actual properties and you will see what i said, whilst not the entire truth is still true
#168 - angelusprimus (12/05/2013) [-]
I'm a member of ARMA.
I've been training with swords since 2002.
Plate is made to redistribute strikes. Sword simply does not carry enough focused power to cause damage through. Strike hurts, yes, can even cause bruises, usually on the edges, but will not do damage. They are very good protection, otherwise no one would wear 60lbs oven on their bodies.
Chain would be pushed into your flesh, ripping it. Strong enough cut would cut through enough links to cut into flesh. Very little damage comes from blunt force.
and I don't limit myself with the sword. I'm fully aware of how sword works. I also know that idiotically hitting plate with the blade does only one thing. Destroys the blade. I am not guessing here. I do this in my free time for over 11 years.
But if you don't believe me, go to the site I linked to, go to the forums and ASK people who like me do this every day.
#172 - oikake (12/05/2013) [-]
sorry but you seem very narrow minded in your view.
if you wore a plate gauntlet/bracer would you allow me a full force strike on your wrist with a 3lb sword?
because i know that the damage to your wrist whilst not chopping it off would at least cause some sort of fracture.
The same with a chainmail hit
I am not discounting your experience, but fighting now, in a controlled environment wiht modern knowledge is totally different than the chaos and brutality of war. Where I am certain the "misuse" of swords was extremely common, and was to a certain extent still an effect method of fighting.
actually i am sure i have read of people looking at armies and going "hey guys they all wear chainmail and plate. no swords today"
#179 - angelusprimus (12/05/2013) [-]
If i was wearing a full gauntlet, steel, and you were swinging a blade at me, and for some reason i didn't gave my shield, i'd damn right catch it on the gauntlet, turn it into a glancing blow, and then smash you into the face with the gauntlet. If you managed to strike a direct full on blow on the gauntlet at the wrist then yes, I'd probably have a broken wrist, or more likely severely cut one. because you cant fully armor the joints.
I'd still be in better position because there would be a damn good chance you destroyed your sword.
And yes, ofcrose there was misuse of swords. But that would benefit the opponent who would take only minimum damage, while attacker had to deal with blowback and counter attack with completely messed up balance.
I'm not saying that it never happened. You can use a shotgun to buldgeon someone on the head today. Sure. Its just far more effective and safer to you if you use it as intended.
#227 - angelusprimus (12/06/2013) [-]
In the original post you claimed longsword is a blunt force weapon.
All you have "proven" is that in very specific, highly unlikely circumstances it can cause blunt force trauma. It doesn't make it a blunt force weapon.
And if you hit me with a handle of the shotgun on the head you could kill me.
That does not mean that shotgun is a blunt force weapon.
|#133 - bare in mind a bullet is made of lead (with a funky jacket som…||12/05/2013 on Suck it, weaboos.||0|
|#129 - Aren't Katana made of a soft steel core and a hard outer which… [+] (2 new replies)||12/05/2013 on Suck it, weaboos.||+1|
#247 - Murkar (12/13/2013) [-]
The hardness of the steel is often determined by the way it is heat treated. It is not really possible to harden the edge of the blade without also tempering the core. Although you might be right that they use a different type of steel for the core (however I am not sure the Samurai would have had enough knowledge about the structure of steel to do such a thing; it is possible in modern swords probably because we have a more advanced knowledge about the atomic structure of metals - so it may be the case in the picture here, but I am not sure about in traditional swords)
#248 - oikake (12/13/2013) [-]
dont forget to take into account the clay the katana forgers used to cover the blade before the final heat and quench.... they applied a thicker layer to certain parts of the blade to influence the cooling rate thus making the one blade have different hardness's of steel.
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FLCL is shit.
Like I am not trying to troll, I am sure you won't believe me but I swear, I really just hate the show.
It is awkward, clunky, I dislike the animation quality, there is a ghost of a plot and it drips anime weaboo bait. Not to mention I find it so horribly overhyped.
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#10 - martycamp (11/21/2013) [-]
As a Scotsman, I'd like to clarify a point. We (generally) don't mind being called British. We are British, and are a part of Britain. Sure, we'd prefer to be called Scottish day-to-day, but British works.
What we don't like is when people use British as a synonym for English. Scotland is a part of Britain, as is Wales and Northern Ireland.
#48 - 2scared2login (11/21/2013) [-]
that's fucking stupid. you're Scottish, not British. If I was born and raised in Puerto Rico, I'd be Puerto Rican, not American.
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#9 - 2scared2login (11/21/2013) [-]
britsh is ref to uk as whole
#8 - 2scared2login (11/21/2013) [-]
Yet they're still British. Several hundreds of years saw to that.
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