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| #30 - **notwalkingwaffles used "*roll picture*"** **notwalkingwaf… | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | 0 |
| #29 - Probably, that is. | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | 0 |
| #28 - Wait, do they all believe to have the same god? Because if… [+] (5 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | 0 |
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anon (11/22/2015) [-] They do, they just differ in their belief on what the overall plan of said god is. #33 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-]  **dankrolls rolled image**All 3 trace back to Abraham. What differentiates them is their Messiah (whom is the one stating the religious laws). From what I remember Jesus is still considered a prophet in Islam, but that he was "misinformed" (unlike Muhammad the analfabet who had to ask his friend to write down the things he heard in a cave). You're gonna need a citation on that one though... #35 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/21/2015) [-]  **notwalkingwaffles rolled image** I think to recall something similar from religion teachings in school about Islam, but not the Abraham bit. Sounds plausible though. #37 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-]  **dankrolls rolled image** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Monotheism Sort of that. What they state about him is a bit different between the religions. But then again this is a story about a guy who lived like 3000 years ago. And worth mentioning is that he's supposed to have lived for 175 years... | ||
| #2 - Because it's momentarily popular, like that stupid "long … [+] (5 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on I always hated the pixie... | +21 |
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| #25 - But if you believe that my god is also your god, and I believe… [+] (9 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | +1 |
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dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-]  **dankrolls rolled image**That is my point... In Judaism they are still waiting for their messiah. In Christianity Jesus is the messiah In Islam Muhammad is the messiah These 3 religions all have different rules and traditions. And that is why they are not commonly thought of as the same. Wait, do they all believe to have the same god? Because if so, then you're 100 % right. #247 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] They do, they just differ in their belief on what the overall plan of said god is. #33 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**All 3 trace back to Abraham. What differentiates them is their Messiah (whom is the one stating the religious laws). From what I remember Jesus is still considered a prophet in Islam, but that he was "misinformed" (unlike Muhammad the analfabet who had to ask his friend to write down the things he heard in a cave). You're gonna need a citation on that one though... #35 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/21/2015) [-] **notwalkingwaffles rolled image** I think to recall something similar from religion teachings in school about Islam, but not the Abraham bit. Sounds plausible though. #37 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Monotheism Sort of that. What they state about him is a bit different between the religions. But then again this is a story about a guy who lived like 3000 years ago. And worth mentioning is that he's supposed to have lived for 175 years... | ||
| #24 - True, except they don't believe the same things. For instance,… [+] (1 new reply) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | +1 |
 Often times this happens because a group or community starts to... alter there way of thinking, so to speak. For example, let's say our hypothetical community believes in christinianity. One day they get posed a question about their faith which causes them to wrack their brains about what might be the answer. One Farmer Joe gets an answer that the collective loves and accepts, and gets incorporated into their local faith. Life goes on. What would happen if a visitor happens by this community and is absolutely horrified by their revelation? They would likely get defensive and reject this newcomer, because the opinion of the local masses can't be wrong, right? This is called Parochialism, or Integrative Complexity. They will isolate themselves to protect their beliefs, whether violently or passively depends on the people. src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_complexity Better example the what I provided above: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown | ||
| #21 - Correction: Can you choose not to believe that the ap… [+] (6 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | -18 |
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anon (11/22/2015) [-] Sorry, but you serious? You have empirical evidence that the apple is RIGHT THERE. You can see it, smell it, touch it. You can take measurements, you can observe how it interacts with the matter around it, you have a clear picture of it that everybody shares and every instrument measures the same way. And of course, I am aware that dofferent peoples experiences may vary, physics of this physical object do not however. You have a ton of physical objective DIRECT EVIDENCE of the apple. You have zero evidence of a god. ZERO. Only your faith that he exists. You don't have to believe in an apple, believing is being certain of somethings existence without any evidence of it existing. A book saying "it totally happened bro" isn't evidence. A testmony of someone isn't evidence, a "morlity and kindness in peoples hearts" isn't evidence. A shape and nature of the Universe isn't FREAKING EVIDENCE OF SOME MAGICAL DUDE IN THE SKY. Listen: if you want to believe it's cool. You have your right to. IF this book and people that share this faith is enough for you that's fine. If it gives you comfort and happiness its totally fine. But don't try to convince people that faith has anything to do with any sort of evidence, science or facts. It's just something you believe to be true while holding ZERO objective facts and evidence to present to, let's say a dude that believes than rather Jahwe or Allah Zeus is real and created it all. He can just as easily present you with "facts" of Zeus existing and you dot shit on him because his arguments are the same. Just live and let live. That's the only way to go about it. I'm not. I'm debating with the other guy whether believing something - anything - is a deliberate choice a person makes, or an autonomous thing that happens whether you like it or not. Apparently I didn't word it properly.  Realistically, yes you can. I do have the physical capability of choosing that it does not exist even though proof has been given to me. But I can already see where you're taking this discussion so let me remind you, religion is a belief, something based on conjecture and faith. Those truly faithful will believe undeterred with what is brought to them. Beliefs can be changed depending on the faith (Or burden of proof/lack of ignorance) of the person. Say you believe in Santa Claus when you were a child, you come to the age where you realize he does not exist. Your belief therefore changes and fades. Maybe to this day you remained faithful all those years that he still comes, good on you. I did believe in the catholic teachings my parents subjected me to in my younger years, but when I aged I come to realize a different viewpoint in life. Science came about and shaped my views of life (Evolution.jpg) in favor of that but I did not truly see myself as Athiest to shut out the possibility of spiritual belief. Whereas Diesm holds both spiritual and realistic ideals of life that I hold true today. So to answer your question in full, it's a matter of faith, if I was faithful enough that the apple I held, saw, smell, and tasted, was indeed an apple. Then it is. Nothing will deter me from that. But if I was skeptical of the apple (Probably having never seen one), then I can say the apple is not an apple, and never will be one. All in all, I don't want to get into a massive debate of religion. Live and let live. I was just curious on what you meant by "Do you choose what you believe in" It's cool man. When I asked the question, it was to prove a point, then I asked my girlfriend and she said "... Well, yes. I think I can decide to believe or not believe in something" and I find that genuinely interesting, since I don't think I have ever chosen to believe in something, but just naturally been convinced by the arguments or proof of something. I find it incredibly interesting though. | ||
| #19 - So, let me ask you this: A man hands you an apple. You hol… [+] (7 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | -21 |
| Correction: Can you choose not to believe that the apple exists? #47 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] Sorry, but you serious? You have empirical evidence that the apple is RIGHT THERE. You can see it, smell it, touch it. You can take measurements, you can observe how it interacts with the matter around it, you have a clear picture of it that everybody shares and every instrument measures the same way. And of course, I am aware that dofferent peoples experiences may vary, physics of this physical object do not however. You have a ton of physical objective DIRECT EVIDENCE of the apple. You have zero evidence of a god. ZERO. Only your faith that he exists. You don't have to believe in an apple, believing is being certain of somethings existence without any evidence of it existing. A book saying "it totally happened bro" isn't evidence. A testmony of someone isn't evidence, a "morlity and kindness in peoples hearts" isn't evidence. A shape and nature of the Universe isn't FREAKING EVIDENCE OF SOME MAGICAL DUDE IN THE SKY. Listen: if you want to believe it's cool. You have your right to. IF this book and people that share this faith is enough for you that's fine. If it gives you comfort and happiness its totally fine. But don't try to convince people that faith has anything to do with any sort of evidence, science or facts. It's just something you believe to be true while holding ZERO objective facts and evidence to present to, let's say a dude that believes than rather Jahwe or Allah Zeus is real and created it all. He can just as easily present you with "facts" of Zeus existing and you dot shit on him because his arguments are the same. Just live and let live. That's the only way to go about it. I'm not. I'm debating with the other guy whether believing something - anything - is a deliberate choice a person makes, or an autonomous thing that happens whether you like it or not. Apparently I didn't word it properly. Realistically, yes you can. I do have the physical capability of choosing that it does not exist even though proof has been given to me. But I can already see where you're taking this discussion so let me remind you, religion is a belief, something based on conjecture and faith. Those truly faithful will believe undeterred with what is brought to them. Beliefs can be changed depending on the faith (Or burden of proof/lack of ignorance) of the person. Say you believe in Santa Claus when you were a child, you come to the age where you realize he does not exist. Your belief therefore changes and fades. Maybe to this day you remained faithful all those years that he still comes, good on you. I did believe in the catholic teachings my parents subjected me to in my younger years, but when I aged I come to realize a different viewpoint in life. Science came about and shaped my views of life (Evolution.jpg) in favor of that but I did not truly see myself as Athiest to shut out the possibility of spiritual belief. Whereas Diesm holds both spiritual and realistic ideals of life that I hold true today. So to answer your question in full, it's a matter of faith, if I was faithful enough that the apple I held, saw, smell, and tasted, was indeed an apple. Then it is. Nothing will deter me from that. But if I was skeptical of the apple (Probably having never seen one), then I can say the apple is not an apple, and never will be one. All in all, I don't want to get into a massive debate of religion. Live and let live. I was just curious on what you meant by "Do you choose what you believe in" It's cool man. When I asked the question, it was to prove a point, then I asked my girlfriend and she said "... Well, yes. I think I can decide to believe or not believe in something" and I find that genuinely interesting, since I don't think I have ever chosen to believe in something, but just naturally been convinced by the arguments or proof of something. I find it incredibly interesting though. | ||
| #4 - Oh. Why not though? [+] (2 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on Um ok.. | 0 |
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| #2 - Picture [+] (4 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on Um ok.. | 0 |
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| #2 - Danish dibs mofugga. [+] (2 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on good guys | +9 |
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| #3 - I honestly don't think he cares. Remember when Admin promi… | 11/21/2015 on Info for Admin | +4 |
| #16 - It is? Huh. Must've understood it wrong then, cause I thou… [+] (14 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | +1 |
 Getting deep into philosophy and the meaning of religion over here But if you believe that my god is also your god, and I believe that your god is also my god, but one of us decides not to follow the rules dictated by said god, are we then of the same religion? #27 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**That is my point... In Judaism they are still waiting for their messiah. In Christianity Jesus is the messiah In Islam Muhammad is the messiah These 3 religions all have different rules and traditions. And that is why they are not commonly thought of as the same. Wait, do they all believe to have the same god? Because if so, then you're 100 % right. #247 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] They do, they just differ in their belief on what the overall plan of said god is. #33 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**All 3 trace back to Abraham. What differentiates them is their Messiah (whom is the one stating the religious laws). From what I remember Jesus is still considered a prophet in Islam, but that he was "misinformed" (unlike Muhammad the analfabet who had to ask his friend to write down the things he heard in a cave). You're gonna need a citation on that one though... #35 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/21/2015) [-] **notwalkingwaffles rolled image** I think to recall something similar from religion teachings in school about Islam, but not the Abraham bit. Sounds plausible though. #37 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Monotheism Sort of that. What they state about him is a bit different between the religions. But then again this is a story about a guy who lived like 3000 years ago. And worth mentioning is that he's supposed to have lived for 175 years... True, except they don't believe the same things. For instance, the Christians don't believe Muhammed to be a prophet of their god. Once they dispute on fundamental facts for the religion, they do not believe the same. Often times this happens because a group or community starts to... alter there way of thinking, so to speak. For example, let's say our hypothetical community believes in christinianity. One day they get posed a question about their faith which causes them to wrack their brains about what might be the answer. One Farmer Joe gets an answer that the collective loves and accepts, and gets incorporated into their local faith. Life goes on. What would happen if a visitor happens by this community and is absolutely horrified by their revelation? They would likely get defensive and reject this newcomer, because the opinion of the local masses can't be wrong, right? This is called Parochialism, or Integrative Complexity. They will isolate themselves to protect their beliefs, whether violently or passively depends on the people. src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_complexity Better example the what I provided above: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown | ||
| #4 - Yup. | 11/21/2015 on Public School | +7 |
| #1 - His dick is, according to him, at least as wide at its maximal… [+] (5 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on Start | +1 |
| I know. I calculated it from circumference to diameter by dividing with pi (approximately 3 in this calculation).  Yeah, having a diameter of 1.9" or so, is that not about normal ? Well, apparently I have overestimated how much the length units are. According to Wikipedia, the average girth is about 1.5 inches. | ||
| #26 - Picture | 11/21/2015 on a game | 0 |
| #1 - That's a firing and/or a lawsuit. [+] (28 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on Public School | +243 |
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morebuckets (11/22/2015) [-] Something like this actually happened in my school. The kid got detention for provoking the teacher, which was a pretty fair result. The hell happened? I get that the student was probably a dick, but seriously, if the man can't keep his temper and resorts to tossing shit like a wailing toddler, he's not fit to be a teacher. #73 -
morebuckets (11/22/2015) [-] He was insulting the teacher and being incessantly rude It had been a building problem, the school stood behind the teacher Isn't that the bit where the student is sent away from class to have a serious talk about his continued prescence at the school? #48 -
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notwalkingwaffles (11/22/2015) [-]  If you do that kind of shit, you're not cut out for that kind of job, and if any of those kids had gotten hurt, he would deserve a prison sentence. How's 8th grade treating you so far?  "oh this guy has a different opinion he is edgy and in 8th grade" You want someone's life to get ruined over a desk. You're an enormous faggot, it's easy for you to say this shit when you know nothing about that person, keep hiding behind your monitor you little cunt. Seriously, imagine that was your relative or something. #69 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/22/2015) [-]  Let's do this then. If you choose to teach a bunch of children, children being annoying as fuck as always, and you cannot fucking handle it, and react by throwing heavy shit around like an unsettled toddler who couldn't have his way, then you should not be a teacher. It's that simple. If you cannot do your job without risking other people's health, then you are not qualified for that job. Similarly, if you, say, THROW A FUCKING DESK AT SOMEBODY IN A FIT OF TODDLER RAGE, injuring them, they are entitled to compensation from you, or at the very least not having to see your stupid rage fueled face when they return and their injuries have healed. You argue "imagine if it was your family!" I do. If my brother did that shit and I saw it, I'd witness against him. Imagine, in stead, that the person in charge of teaching your child can't handle his temper, and brings their physical well being in danger in the form of desk throwing when he has a temper tantrum. In this situation, the man is a danger to the children. Should he keep his job? I'm arguing from a stand point where the consensus is that children shouldn't get hurt - least of all by a violent outburst from a teacher, and in that particular situation, what should the parents that don't want their children to come home with broken arms and skull fractures do? Move and/or change schools because a grown man can't handle himself? If this was any other situation, if a guy at McDonald's threw a table (granted that he could lift it) at the costumers because they upset him, do you think he should keep his job? Of course he fucking shouldn't, because work sucks, that's why they're paying you to do it, and if you can't handle your job like a grown ass person, then you shouldn't have it. It's called thinking before you speak, but of thought and speech, I see you have only barely mastered one.  Wanting someone's life to get ruined over a desk is silly. Wanting someone to lose their job because they clearly don't have the patience for it if they have a violent outburst where they pick up and throw a desk at students. #29 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] Nah, probably not. The Teacher's Unions let people get away with murder these days source: personal experience - if I had my way the whole fucking staff at that school would've been fired for the bullshit they pulled, and that would've been merciful compared to what I would've done if I could've gotten away with it #55 -
pocketstooheavy (11/22/2015) [-]  And god forbid you do anything that might benefit a white person. At that point you'll have entire cities shut down because the #BlackLivesMatter people will be in your town laying across your roads. So it's either A) You pander to everything that the children want, giving up any supposed authority and quality to teach the kids B) You get fired and never be able to find another teaching job again. Not much of a choice. Future generations are going to be so weak.  Lol not at the school I used to go to *not in America so law suits aren't a thing  Could have been a college, although i guess assault charges are still a thing.... #10 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] >wrestling with your highschool teachers for fun >not going trough highschool | ||
| #12 - It's ok, no need to apologise, you're not talking out of your … | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | 0 |
| #21 - Between 17 and 20 kHz | 11/21/2015 on Hearing test, follow the... | 0 |
| #10 - No to all of that. I do not believe in it, hence the question:… [+] (2 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | -3 |
 Then you are not a Muslim. But now I understand your question another way, I do see what you mean and it boggles my mind too. When people tell me they believe in Jesus/Buddha/Mohammed/etc but they don't believe in religion, I just leave. I really don't have an answer for your question, but I suggest we just take their word for it? This has to do with epistomology and linguistics, none of which I am qualified to give an answer, sorry. It's ok, no need to apologise, you're not talking out of your ass like a lot of other people - myself included - occasionally do. That's a good character trait. | ||
| #8 - I'd wager so too, but all the references aren't phrased as arg… [+] (16 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | +2 |
| It is? Huh. Must've understood it wrong then, cause I thought belonging to a certain religion, among other things, meant believing in the god of that religion. If it's following the rules and views of said established belief system (such as the rape ordeals), then most of the christians I know are not christians, as they do not follow most of the rules and views marked in the scripture of said religion. But I believe this entire discussion can be boiled down to one question: If you believe in the exact same thing as somebody else, but disagree on their world view, which is also dictated by the scripture of said belief, do you then still belong to the same religion? Getting deep into philosophy and the meaning of religion over here But if you believe that my god is also your god, and I believe that your god is also my god, but one of us decides not to follow the rules dictated by said god, are we then of the same religion? #27 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**That is my point... In Judaism they are still waiting for their messiah. In Christianity Jesus is the messiah In Islam Muhammad is the messiah These 3 religions all have different rules and traditions. And that is why they are not commonly thought of as the same. Wait, do they all believe to have the same god? Because if so, then you're 100 % right. #247 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] They do, they just differ in their belief on what the overall plan of said god is. #33 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**All 3 trace back to Abraham. What differentiates them is their Messiah (whom is the one stating the religious laws). From what I remember Jesus is still considered a prophet in Islam, but that he was "misinformed" (unlike Muhammad the analfabet who had to ask his friend to write down the things he heard in a cave). You're gonna need a citation on that one though... #35 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/21/2015) [-] **notwalkingwaffles rolled image** I think to recall something similar from religion teachings in school about Islam, but not the Abraham bit. Sounds plausible though. #37 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Monotheism Sort of that. What they state about him is a bit different between the religions. But then again this is a story about a guy who lived like 3000 years ago. And worth mentioning is that he's supposed to have lived for 175 years... True, except they don't believe the same things. For instance, the Christians don't believe Muhammed to be a prophet of their god. Once they dispute on fundamental facts for the religion, they do not believe the same. Often times this happens because a group or community starts to... alter there way of thinking, so to speak. For example, let's say our hypothetical community believes in christinianity. One day they get posed a question about their faith which causes them to wrack their brains about what might be the answer. One Farmer Joe gets an answer that the collective loves and accepts, and gets incorporated into their local faith. Life goes on. What would happen if a visitor happens by this community and is absolutely horrified by their revelation? They would likely get defensive and reject this newcomer, because the opinion of the local masses can't be wrong, right? This is called Parochialism, or Integrative Complexity. They will isolate themselves to protect their beliefs, whether violently or passively depends on the people. src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_complexity Better example the what I provided above: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown | ||
| #5 - Wait, since when is being muslim a thing you choose? Do yo… [+] (54 new replies) | 11/21/2015 on #exmuslimbecause | -60 |
 To be honest I can kind of agree with you. I don't choose to be an atheist, I just am. I don't and never have had a belief in a god. It's a little bit of a philosophical argument, but you really have no control over anything you do. You can't choose what to think of next, for example. Whatever pops into your head is what you will think of and you can't stop it from happening. For example, the word elephant just popped into my head. I didn't choose to think of that, it just happened. I can't say to myself "Ok in five minutes I'm going to think about *insert topic here*."  Do you think that faith is beamed into your head at birth? You choose it like you choose a political party. #168 -
dreygur (11/22/2015) [-] In time you may realize that the teachings are actually pretty awful to live by. Instead of believing that the deity you've had faith in encourages those terrible teachings, you choose to not believe in them at all, and instead just carve your own path and follow it instead. #131 -
janosaudron (11/22/2015) [-] It'd be deliberate. You get into a dire situation, Your life is or the life of someone you love is on the line and you beg your god for help. You beg them not to let it end and through all that begging the only answer you get is silence. You/They die and then you're left wondering why your god had abandoned you. Some keep their faith, others begin to think why their god would let this happen, they lived by his word. Why had he turned his back on them? Was he even there to begin with? It's rarely an immediate choice.  I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling, and not clinically retarded.  >Implying religion is genetic. Well we can tell how many chromosomes you have. I'm not implying that it's genetic, I'm implying that I don't choose when I'm convinced by something. Well just because that is the case, doesn't mean you can't decide not to believe anymore. Someone can have their first words be "Praise God" and still become an atheist or praise a different god later on. I grew up in an atheist family, & now I'm a christian. Sure, but is it by choice? Is it a conscious decision to believe otherwise, or is it something that happens on its own once the reasoning is there? #96 -
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buddywuggle (11/22/2015) [-]  Perhaps it is, I'm no psychologist either. Can you control what it decides though? The way I see the sub conscious' choices is similar to you liking one person and you disliking another based solely on first hand impressions. I wouldn't call it "my decision" to dislike somebody, usually they just rub me up the wrong way in a manner that I cannot put my finger on. I'd only call it a choice/decision if I have power over the outcome (or at least the perceived outcome, things don't always go as expected). Which I don't in the sub-conscious decisionmaking process. Hence the distinction. Thank you. I think I'm going to make one of those folder thingies so I can do this often.  i cant tell what you mean. like are you confusing arabic with muslim or do you mean you cant change what you believe? im legit ocnfused I'm stating the apparently controversial idea which I thought applied to everybody but apparently applies just to me, that people don't choose to believe something, but are convinced by either being indoctrinated, or by being convinced by argument. I have never actively chosen to be convinced by anything. #95 -
darthtomale (11/22/2015) [-]  So, let me ask you this: A man hands you an apple. You hold the apple, and can see, smell, taste (if you choose) and feel it. Can you choose not to believe in the apple? Correction: Can you choose not to believe that the apple exists? #47 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] Sorry, but you serious? You have empirical evidence that the apple is RIGHT THERE. You can see it, smell it, touch it. You can take measurements, you can observe how it interacts with the matter around it, you have a clear picture of it that everybody shares and every instrument measures the same way. And of course, I am aware that dofferent peoples experiences may vary, physics of this physical object do not however. You have a ton of physical objective DIRECT EVIDENCE of the apple. You have zero evidence of a god. ZERO. Only your faith that he exists. You don't have to believe in an apple, believing is being certain of somethings existence without any evidence of it existing. A book saying "it totally happened bro" isn't evidence. A testmony of someone isn't evidence, a "morlity and kindness in peoples hearts" isn't evidence. A shape and nature of the Universe isn't FREAKING EVIDENCE OF SOME MAGICAL DUDE IN THE SKY. Listen: if you want to believe it's cool. You have your right to. IF this book and people that share this faith is enough for you that's fine. If it gives you comfort and happiness its totally fine. But don't try to convince people that faith has anything to do with any sort of evidence, science or facts. It's just something you believe to be true while holding ZERO objective facts and evidence to present to, let's say a dude that believes than rather Jahwe or Allah Zeus is real and created it all. He can just as easily present you with "facts" of Zeus existing and you dot shit on him because his arguments are the same. Just live and let live. That's the only way to go about it. I'm not. I'm debating with the other guy whether believing something - anything - is a deliberate choice a person makes, or an autonomous thing that happens whether you like it or not. Apparently I didn't word it properly. Realistically, yes you can. I do have the physical capability of choosing that it does not exist even though proof has been given to me. But I can already see where you're taking this discussion so let me remind you, religion is a belief, something based on conjecture and faith. Those truly faithful will believe undeterred with what is brought to them. Beliefs can be changed depending on the faith (Or burden of proof/lack of ignorance) of the person. Say you believe in Santa Claus when you were a child, you come to the age where you realize he does not exist. Your belief therefore changes and fades. Maybe to this day you remained faithful all those years that he still comes, good on you. I did believe in the catholic teachings my parents subjected me to in my younger years, but when I aged I come to realize a different viewpoint in life. Science came about and shaped my views of life (Evolution.jpg) in favor of that but I did not truly see myself as Athiest to shut out the possibility of spiritual belief. Whereas Diesm holds both spiritual and realistic ideals of life that I hold true today. So to answer your question in full, it's a matter of faith, if I was faithful enough that the apple I held, saw, smell, and tasted, was indeed an apple. Then it is. Nothing will deter me from that. But if I was skeptical of the apple (Probably having never seen one), then I can say the apple is not an apple, and never will be one. All in all, I don't want to get into a massive debate of religion. Live and let live. I was just curious on what you meant by "Do you choose what you believe in" It's cool man. When I asked the question, it was to prove a point, then I asked my girlfriend and she said "... Well, yes. I think I can decide to believe or not believe in something" and I find that genuinely interesting, since I don't think I have ever chosen to believe in something, but just naturally been convinced by the arguments or proof of something. I find it incredibly interesting though. "Wait, since when is being muslim a thing you choose? " - are you being serious? Do you believe the Archangel Gabriel gave revelations to the merchant Mohammed, exclusively in Arabic, which he could not write down? Do you believe the Prophet Mohammed is the archetype of a worshipper of Allah? Do you believe the Qu'ran is the last and final word of God? If you answered yes to these questions, you are a Muslim, congratulations. Muslim is not a skin color, it is not a tribe and it is not a race. One can opt-in and opt-out of it. No to all of that. I do not believe in it, hence the question: Since when do you choose what you believe in rather than being actually convinced that something exists? Then you are not a Muslim. But now I understand your question another way, I do see what you mean and it boggles my mind too. When people tell me they believe in Jesus/Buddha/Mohammed/etc but they don't believe in religion, I just leave. I really don't have an answer for your question, but I suggest we just take their word for it? This has to do with epistomology and linguistics, none of which I am qualified to give an answer, sorry. It's ok, no need to apologise, you're not talking out of your ass like a lot of other people - myself included - occasionally do. That's a good character trait. #6 -
anon (11/21/2015) [-] Because most Muslims are taught this stuff as children and as children, they don't question it. These are people who have grown up and thought for themselves and questioned what they were taught. I'd wager so too, but all the references aren't phrased as arguments against the existence of that god, only as arguments against the followers said god being nice people. There's no "in conclusion that god isn't real" just "them being dicks decide whether or not what they believe is true" - unless they didn't believe in the god anyway, in which case they weren't muslim in the first place, and it's more of a "fuck this clubhouse, the rules are stupid" kind of deal. It is? Huh. Must've understood it wrong then, cause I thought belonging to a certain religion, among other things, meant believing in the god of that religion. If it's following the rules and views of said established belief system (such as the rape ordeals), then most of the christians I know are not christians, as they do not follow most of the rules and views marked in the scripture of said religion. But I believe this entire discussion can be boiled down to one question: If you believe in the exact same thing as somebody else, but disagree on their world view, which is also dictated by the scripture of said belief, do you then still belong to the same religion? Getting deep into philosophy and the meaning of religion over here But if you believe that my god is also your god, and I believe that your god is also my god, but one of us decides not to follow the rules dictated by said god, are we then of the same religion? #27 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**That is my point... In Judaism they are still waiting for their messiah. In Christianity Jesus is the messiah In Islam Muhammad is the messiah These 3 religions all have different rules and traditions. And that is why they are not commonly thought of as the same. Wait, do they all believe to have the same god? Because if so, then you're 100 % right. #247 -
anon (11/22/2015) [-] They do, they just differ in their belief on what the overall plan of said god is. #33 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image**All 3 trace back to Abraham. What differentiates them is their Messiah (whom is the one stating the religious laws). From what I remember Jesus is still considered a prophet in Islam, but that he was "misinformed" (unlike Muhammad the analfabet who had to ask his friend to write down the things he heard in a cave). You're gonna need a citation on that one though... #35 -
notwalkingwaffles (11/21/2015) [-] **notwalkingwaffles rolled image** I think to recall something similar from religion teachings in school about Islam, but not the Abraham bit. Sounds plausible though. #37 -
dankrolls (11/21/2015) [-] **dankrolls rolled image** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Monotheism Sort of that. What they state about him is a bit different between the religions. But then again this is a story about a guy who lived like 3000 years ago. And worth mentioning is that he's supposed to have lived for 175 years... True, except they don't believe the same things. For instance, the Christians don't believe Muhammed to be a prophet of their god. Once they dispute on fundamental facts for the religion, they do not believe the same. Often times this happens because a group or community starts to... alter there way of thinking, so to speak. For example, let's say our hypothetical community believes in christinianity. One day they get posed a question about their faith which causes them to wrack their brains about what might be the answer. One Farmer Joe gets an answer that the collective loves and accepts, and gets incorporated into their local faith. Life goes on. What would happen if a visitor happens by this community and is absolutely horrified by their revelation? They would likely get defensive and reject this newcomer, because the opinion of the local masses can't be wrong, right? This is called Parochialism, or Integrative Complexity. They will isolate themselves to protect their beliefs, whether violently or passively depends on the people. src: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrative_complexity Better example the what I provided above: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown | ||
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] You thumbed down one of my comments. ****** bout to get hella real.....
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] Really? Well, I don't exactly recall. Could you be more specific?
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] I may have misspoke, as it was content not comment, but is this juan: www.funnyjunk.com/By+far+favorite+grump+intro/movies/5335337/
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] Ah. I thumb down a lot of content I don't find funny, which is the intended purpose of the thumb system. Now, this ordeal seems a little strange however. Seeing as I'm not the only one who thumbed down your content, does this mean that you have further five other (I assume equally playfully sarcastic) posts going on other peoples' sites, or is it just me?
Also, is this an actual expression of aggression, or is it merely fun and games?
Also, is this an actual expression of aggression, or is it merely fun and games?
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] Well, I was going to ******** everyone's walls, but being as I am very lazy, I gave up after one. And there was no mal-intent, just something to laugh at on the wall once in awhile.
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] Ah, I see. I'm not good with the entire picking-up-sarcasm thing, which might explain my profile level being at -1. Glad it's not a huge thing though.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] Just be happy you aren't that guy who stole a bunch of content and got red-thumbed into bannedness for it. Back when that was still a thing.....
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] If you're referring to walkingwaffles, he was the guy who made "cartoons" on a poorly designed video-game site, but the stuff he uploaded was by his own design. He got bent for insulting admin in one of his scamming-for-money phases.
No affiliation, of course.
No affiliation, of course.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] Not him, there was a guy who legitimately stole like, 500 comics, cropped out the watermarks, and put his own in. He got caught by one of the people he stole from, and the FJ community actually did something about it for once and he's IP permabanned now.
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] I didn't know about that. But yeah, I'm glad I'm not that guy. Still, it takes a certain kind of ass hole to take somebody's product made from tedious work and creative resources and call it your own.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] Yeah, he was kindof an asshole about it too, cause some people tried to call him out for it but he would just deny it and be an all-around little bitch about it.
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] God I hate that kind of person, they're like the personification of those kids you want to beat the **** out of in children's movies, the ones that are told by their parents "now Jimmy, don't you go into that big, dark dungeon and sacrifice your siblings in exchange for power", and then when the parents come back, he summoned a GOD DAMN LICH, and is sitting on a throne of skulls, and at the end the good guys have to save him because his own actions ****** him over, but the entire audience is just thinking "Don't! Leave him be to rot in his own filth and burn for a millennium!"
He's like THAT kid.
He's like THAT kid.
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] I can. Sadly. I'm like 60-80 % sure I was that kid growing up, and I'm pretty impressed with my mother not deciding to have a post-birth abortion, but I'm assuming that the youngest people on the site are around 16, and in spite of all the stupid **** one does when in puberty, we should all have SOME sense of self-disckishness levels at that age, but somehow some people continuously surprise me, and to those people some self criticism wouldn't hurt.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] Inb4 tl;dr
Yeah, I recently moved out of a small town Bout 1000 people total, real ******** if you ask anyone who lives there to a town about 10 times the size, and back in ********** there was a kid who was like that who, since I knew that it was my last day in that town, I decided has been a sack of **** for long enough, so I kicked the **** out of him. Nevertheless, some of my friends back in ********* were texting me things like "Dude, I heard ******** ********** kicked your ass! ********** ?!?!?!?!" And I realized what had happened. But revenge is a cold heartless bitch, and since we're in the same district for sports n the like, after a short football match I kicked the **** out of him again, and he learned his lesson. Moral of the story, is if they don't learn themselves, which at some point all people should, sometimes a good asskickin is all it takes to deal with people.
Yeah, I recently moved out of a small town Bout 1000 people total, real ******** if you ask anyone who lives there to a town about 10 times the size, and back in ********** there was a kid who was like that who, since I knew that it was my last day in that town, I decided has been a sack of **** for long enough, so I kicked the **** out of him. Nevertheless, some of my friends back in ********* were texting me things like "Dude, I heard ******** ********** kicked your ass! ********** ?!?!?!?!" And I realized what had happened. But revenge is a cold heartless bitch, and since we're in the same district for sports n the like, after a short football match I kicked the **** out of him again, and he learned his lesson. Moral of the story, is if they don't learn themselves, which at some point all people should, sometimes a good asskickin is all it takes to deal with people.
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notwalkingwaffles ONLINE (10/29/2014) [-] Indeed. But on the other hand, it shouldn't be necessary to harm another human being until they succumb to one's point of view. But sometimes it simply becomes a matter of which is more important, their physical well being or your sanity.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] True enough, it is a rare occasion when someone has to get hurt over a simple matter of being a ******** , and I regret my decisions to this day Only like, 3 months later mind you but in the end, I think we both gained from the experiance. He got to learn not to **** with people twice his size, and I get to move to a new school and brag to the thug kids about actually having an assault charge.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Cept Kai. Heard he has a pretty mean ol' lisp now.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Cept Kai. Heard he has a pretty mean ol' lisp now.
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whenindoubtsplooge (10/29/2014) [-] The sad part is that his parents didn't want to even take it to court because he's a lil **** to them too, and they understood my cause better than his.
