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#72 - or teleporting away, getting kryptonite, and destroying superman  [+] (23 new replies) 11/21/2012 on What Am I Doing? +1
User avatar #73 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
sigh...

now goku is going to magically know what kryptonite is? get real now, there is no way goku could know or use it effectively

goku needs to concentrate to use teleporting, which does not help against getting bitch smacked by superman at faster than light speed
User avatar #83 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
You seem to be under the impression that Goku can't move above lightspeed. Which he can.
User avatar #84 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
prove it

no powerlevel calculating bullshit. no hyperbole. no exaggeration. no instant transmission is speed logic

where does goku clearly move at lightspeed, let alone faster than light?
#111 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
shit man half the characters in this series move faster then light. its more of a question of how much faster they can go then light
#85 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Powerlevel is something that HAS to be taken into account when measuring Goku's speed and strength and destructive ability. Gokus power level.

Dragon ball Images to show detail for lightning vs Light: http://i.imgur.com/2CzMl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qgg5u.jpg

At that time, Goku was only at power level 180, moving at the speed of lightning (if not faster, but for the sake of the argument, going to go with the minimum, lightning)
Lightning travels approximately 3,700 miles per second and light moves at about 186,000 miles per second.

So we take his ss4 power level 34,560,000,000,000,000. Divide that by 180, and we get 192 trillion times faster than the speed of lightning. We divide that by the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second, giving us 1023258065.6 times faster than the speed of light.

And this is only if you dont let me take instant transmission into account
User avatar #87 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
even if your calculation is right (which is far from being), that still does not come close to supermans 91 million times faster than light speed
#104 - thegoodidiot (12/15/2012) [-]
Actually judging by supermans speed using the same equation to find Gokus speed in reverse I have deduced that his powerlevel would only be 3,046,680,000,000,000 which is 31 quadrillion less than SSJ4 So judging by speed Superman is weaker
User avatar #88 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
That clearly says one billion, twenty three million, two hundred fifty eight thousand sixty five point six. Bigger than 91 million.

And the calculations aren't wrong. You're just mad.
User avatar #89 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
check that you are right, but the calculation is still wrong
User avatar #93 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
I goofed the calcs, you're right. So we take 180 PL which equals 3700 MPS. So divide 34,560,000,000,000,000 by 180, and we get 192,000,000,000,000.

Speed of light 186,000 divided by 3,700 is 50.3 rounded. We have the two equalizing numbers now. We just multiply them together and get 9,638,400,000,000,000 times the speed of light. divide that by 91 million (supermans speed) and we get 105,916,483 times faster than superman. Maths.
User avatar #94 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #95 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
From there we DONT see SS4, so I based it on the content. From THAT page, I grabbed his power level at the time of the tournament.
#90 - theonlytinman has deleted their comment.
User avatar #92 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
it is not the math part that is wrong, it is the baseless assumptions that are behind it

www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-preview-goku

that explains it better than i can

also this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PtbiUbhmaE
User avatar #97 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Yes, the power level measure is technically "broken" but remember that it still applies in many ways.
User avatar #98 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
contradiction. if it is broken then it can not be applied. the death battle creators went straight to dbz fan sites who say that power level calculations are faulty
User avatar #99 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Contradiction: When Goku wins death battle, Ill dance in my victory. IF he loses (which he wont) , I will proceed to crawl into a hole and still believe Goku is stronger.
User avatar #100 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
www.screwattack.com/news/post-crisis-superman-weaker-version

they say that curling up under the bed is the most comfy
User avatar #103 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I did and it was a hell of a read.

And with the Ki manipulation that he was using, yes, I do believe that each slash had planetary destructive ability. As for your Krillin argument, I dont believe he has destructive ability like that of Trunks. The destructo disk is build for cutting shit to bits though. If he could make one big enough, sure it could probably cut the planet in half. Also he needed the ship because at the time he didnt have the ability to survive in space without air. He can do so now. He got scared during Cell and Buu's attacks because he is trying to PROTECT earth. The attacks would destroy it. As for you disregarding the solar kamehameha, you're calling it a hyperbole because it helps you sleep at night, but it did have that destructive ability. And you are trying to disregard GT, but its something that deathbattle is taking into account. Unlike with Superman, Its not some alternate storyline. Its a continuation.
User avatar #102 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
at least read the post first

frieza BARELY survived namek exploding, and needed to be repaired in order to be functional, but that would not matter anyway if the ship never found him. your argument assumes that every single cut from trunks' sword has planetary level cutting ability, which is silly. goku was able to guard against it due to his martial arts training and his ki manipulation. frieza was harmed by far weaker attacks, unless you are saying this means krillin has large planetary level destructive capability now, since his attack cut frieza in the first place? and if goku had that level of durability, why was he scared when namek was about to explode and when both cell and buu tried to use planet level ki moves too? superman was knocked out, but not even physically affected in any other case, by a supernova at point blank due to brainiac

cells "solar kamehameha" is nothing more than a hyperbole. there is no indication that it is anything more that planetary level, let alone as big as the solar system. those are two very different levels of power. cell also said that he was the perfect lifeform too

and everything you mention about gt is fallacy because gt is not canon to the story. besides, if you want to play the cheap way, superman learned how to create a miracle machine, which grants any wish, by himself after looking at the blueprints once. then there is cosmic armor superman, which a multiversal gurren laggan like robot created by the clashing energy of superman and ultraman, and controlled by superman, that can instantly adapt to any attack easily
User avatar #101 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I dont have time to cite any manga scans, or I would but lets take some things into consideration, shall we?

Frieza was chopped in half, beaten to death, and had no energy to speak of. He survived a planetary explosion (namek), then at a much higher power level (when he was mecha freiza) was destroyed by trunk's sword. The same striking power was tried on Goku and he had such durability as it didn't even affect his little finger. So a sword strike more powerful than a planetary explosion and in only SS1 he was able to stop it with a finger. Cell had the power of the solar Kamehameha, which could destroy "entire solar systems" by cell. This being said, lets assume it can only destroy our little 9 planet 1 star solar system. That could be done without completely exhausting cell in any way. But when cell blew himself up, he did manage to kill Goku with a blast that was so powerful that it destroyed a Kai's planet, which was previously stated as indestructible, and also releasing Bojack from his cosmic prison. In Dragon Ball GT, we see that Goku had the ability to defeat both Cell and Frieza at the same time without even going super saiyan, and with the amount of power that he could use in his child form.

You won't like this next bit I have for you, I can tell. Mostly because its kinda speculation but kind of not. He was given the dragon balls at the end, becoming one with them, essentially making him immortal. I would think it gives him other powers, higher levels than that he was previously at, even in the end of dragon ball z. The dragon balls could rebuild entire universe at a whim. A. Fucking. Whim. That kinda power is inside of Goku. I think he can handle whatever Superman has for him
User avatar #86 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
except no

there is no way of knowing how exactly strength or speed increase with powerlevel. the farmer at the start og dbz had a powerlevel of 1, but with a gun had a powerlevel of 5. how does that work?

powerlevels were not used after the namel saga too because toriyama got tired of using them. the main reason why powerleves were used was for a way to make the bad guys in the series underestimate goku and the other fighters, not to be used for actual calculations

the scan of goku training with mr popo does not prove your point either. that statement seems like a simile and is not meant to be treated seriously. otherwise mulan and the other soldiers would be literally as swift as a coursing river. if goku was as fast as light, why does he need his friends to help him collect dragonballs faster?

goku is a fast character that reaches massively hypersonic speeds, but there is no evidence that he can reach the speed of light or even supermans faster than light speeds either
User avatar #91 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Whoever told you that the rifle made his power level 5? It was the man himself with power level 5. You're misinformed.

It was most certainly not used as a metaphor, that was the point of the second picture, which advertised it.

As for them using power levels to make him look stronger or weaker, he was almost always weaker in power level and still won. You're losing even further now, thanks.

As for finding the dragon balls faster, it didnt make sense for him to use any of his power to go get them during the time of need (which is when he NEEDED the power in case of a fight) and if he wasn't in a desperate need, it was faster for them to go separately because there was no reason for him to use said power to go get them, as it would be a waste.

Goku is fast, I know.
#70 - instant transmission  [+] (25 new replies) 11/21/2012 on What Am I Doing? 0
User avatar #71 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
good for running away
User avatar #72 - noobofdoom (11/21/2012) [-]
or teleporting away, getting kryptonite, and destroying superman
User avatar #73 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
sigh...

now goku is going to magically know what kryptonite is? get real now, there is no way goku could know or use it effectively

goku needs to concentrate to use teleporting, which does not help against getting bitch smacked by superman at faster than light speed
User avatar #83 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
You seem to be under the impression that Goku can't move above lightspeed. Which he can.
User avatar #84 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
prove it

no powerlevel calculating bullshit. no hyperbole. no exaggeration. no instant transmission is speed logic

where does goku clearly move at lightspeed, let alone faster than light?
#111 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
shit man half the characters in this series move faster then light. its more of a question of how much faster they can go then light
#85 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Powerlevel is something that HAS to be taken into account when measuring Goku's speed and strength and destructive ability. Gokus power level.

Dragon ball Images to show detail for lightning vs Light: http://i.imgur.com/2CzMl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qgg5u.jpg

At that time, Goku was only at power level 180, moving at the speed of lightning (if not faster, but for the sake of the argument, going to go with the minimum, lightning)
Lightning travels approximately 3,700 miles per second and light moves at about 186,000 miles per second.

So we take his ss4 power level 34,560,000,000,000,000. Divide that by 180, and we get 192 trillion times faster than the speed of lightning. We divide that by the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second, giving us 1023258065.6 times faster than the speed of light.

And this is only if you dont let me take instant transmission into account
User avatar #87 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
even if your calculation is right (which is far from being), that still does not come close to supermans 91 million times faster than light speed
#104 - thegoodidiot (12/15/2012) [-]
Actually judging by supermans speed using the same equation to find Gokus speed in reverse I have deduced that his powerlevel would only be 3,046,680,000,000,000 which is 31 quadrillion less than SSJ4 So judging by speed Superman is weaker
User avatar #88 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
That clearly says one billion, twenty three million, two hundred fifty eight thousand sixty five point six. Bigger than 91 million.

And the calculations aren't wrong. You're just mad.
User avatar #89 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
check that you are right, but the calculation is still wrong
User avatar #93 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
I goofed the calcs, you're right. So we take 180 PL which equals 3700 MPS. So divide 34,560,000,000,000,000 by 180, and we get 192,000,000,000,000.

Speed of light 186,000 divided by 3,700 is 50.3 rounded. We have the two equalizing numbers now. We just multiply them together and get 9,638,400,000,000,000 times the speed of light. divide that by 91 million (supermans speed) and we get 105,916,483 times faster than superman. Maths.
User avatar #94 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #95 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
From there we DONT see SS4, so I based it on the content. From THAT page, I grabbed his power level at the time of the tournament.
#90 - theonlytinman has deleted their comment.
User avatar #92 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
it is not the math part that is wrong, it is the baseless assumptions that are behind it

www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-preview-goku

that explains it better than i can

also this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PtbiUbhmaE
User avatar #97 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Yes, the power level measure is technically "broken" but remember that it still applies in many ways.
User avatar #98 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
contradiction. if it is broken then it can not be applied. the death battle creators went straight to dbz fan sites who say that power level calculations are faulty
User avatar #99 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Contradiction: When Goku wins death battle, Ill dance in my victory. IF he loses (which he wont) , I will proceed to crawl into a hole and still believe Goku is stronger.
User avatar #100 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
www.screwattack.com/news/post-crisis-superman-weaker-version

they say that curling up under the bed is the most comfy
User avatar #103 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I did and it was a hell of a read.

And with the Ki manipulation that he was using, yes, I do believe that each slash had planetary destructive ability. As for your Krillin argument, I dont believe he has destructive ability like that of Trunks. The destructo disk is build for cutting shit to bits though. If he could make one big enough, sure it could probably cut the planet in half. Also he needed the ship because at the time he didnt have the ability to survive in space without air. He can do so now. He got scared during Cell and Buu's attacks because he is trying to PROTECT earth. The attacks would destroy it. As for you disregarding the solar kamehameha, you're calling it a hyperbole because it helps you sleep at night, but it did have that destructive ability. And you are trying to disregard GT, but its something that deathbattle is taking into account. Unlike with Superman, Its not some alternate storyline. Its a continuation.
User avatar #102 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
at least read the post first

frieza BARELY survived namek exploding, and needed to be repaired in order to be functional, but that would not matter anyway if the ship never found him. your argument assumes that every single cut from trunks' sword has planetary level cutting ability, which is silly. goku was able to guard against it due to his martial arts training and his ki manipulation. frieza was harmed by far weaker attacks, unless you are saying this means krillin has large planetary level destructive capability now, since his attack cut frieza in the first place? and if goku had that level of durability, why was he scared when namek was about to explode and when both cell and buu tried to use planet level ki moves too? superman was knocked out, but not even physically affected in any other case, by a supernova at point blank due to brainiac

cells "solar kamehameha" is nothing more than a hyperbole. there is no indication that it is anything more that planetary level, let alone as big as the solar system. those are two very different levels of power. cell also said that he was the perfect lifeform too

and everything you mention about gt is fallacy because gt is not canon to the story. besides, if you want to play the cheap way, superman learned how to create a miracle machine, which grants any wish, by himself after looking at the blueprints once. then there is cosmic armor superman, which a multiversal gurren laggan like robot created by the clashing energy of superman and ultraman, and controlled by superman, that can instantly adapt to any attack easily
User avatar #101 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I dont have time to cite any manga scans, or I would but lets take some things into consideration, shall we?

Frieza was chopped in half, beaten to death, and had no energy to speak of. He survived a planetary explosion (namek), then at a much higher power level (when he was mecha freiza) was destroyed by trunk's sword. The same striking power was tried on Goku and he had such durability as it didn't even affect his little finger. So a sword strike more powerful than a planetary explosion and in only SS1 he was able to stop it with a finger. Cell had the power of the solar Kamehameha, which could destroy "entire solar systems" by cell. This being said, lets assume it can only destroy our little 9 planet 1 star solar system. That could be done without completely exhausting cell in any way. But when cell blew himself up, he did manage to kill Goku with a blast that was so powerful that it destroyed a Kai's planet, which was previously stated as indestructible, and also releasing Bojack from his cosmic prison. In Dragon Ball GT, we see that Goku had the ability to defeat both Cell and Frieza at the same time without even going super saiyan, and with the amount of power that he could use in his child form.

You won't like this next bit I have for you, I can tell. Mostly because its kinda speculation but kind of not. He was given the dragon balls at the end, becoming one with them, essentially making him immortal. I would think it gives him other powers, higher levels than that he was previously at, even in the end of dragon ball z. The dragon balls could rebuild entire universe at a whim. A. Fucking. Whim. That kinda power is inside of Goku. I think he can handle whatever Superman has for him
User avatar #86 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
except no

there is no way of knowing how exactly strength or speed increase with powerlevel. the farmer at the start og dbz had a powerlevel of 1, but with a gun had a powerlevel of 5. how does that work?

powerlevels were not used after the namel saga too because toriyama got tired of using them. the main reason why powerleves were used was for a way to make the bad guys in the series underestimate goku and the other fighters, not to be used for actual calculations

the scan of goku training with mr popo does not prove your point either. that statement seems like a simile and is not meant to be treated seriously. otherwise mulan and the other soldiers would be literally as swift as a coursing river. if goku was as fast as light, why does he need his friends to help him collect dragonballs faster?

goku is a fast character that reaches massively hypersonic speeds, but there is no evidence that he can reach the speed of light or even supermans faster than light speeds either
User avatar #91 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Whoever told you that the rifle made his power level 5? It was the man himself with power level 5. You're misinformed.

It was most certainly not used as a metaphor, that was the point of the second picture, which advertised it.

As for them using power levels to make him look stronger or weaker, he was almost always weaker in power level and still won. You're losing even further now, thanks.

As for finding the dragon balls faster, it didnt make sense for him to use any of his power to go get them during the time of need (which is when he NEEDED the power in case of a fight) and if he wasn't in a desperate need, it was faster for them to go separately because there was no reason for him to use said power to go get them, as it would be a waste.

Goku is fast, I know.
#68 - Goku dodges the bunch and uses dragon fist  [+] (27 new replies) 11/20/2012 on What Am I Doing? 0
User avatar #69 - metajunky (11/20/2012) [-]
and goku who is hypersonic at best is dodging a faster than light character in what way?
User avatar #70 - noobofdoom (11/21/2012) [-]
instant transmission
User avatar #71 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
good for running away
User avatar #72 - noobofdoom (11/21/2012) [-]
or teleporting away, getting kryptonite, and destroying superman
User avatar #73 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
sigh...

now goku is going to magically know what kryptonite is? get real now, there is no way goku could know or use it effectively

goku needs to concentrate to use teleporting, which does not help against getting bitch smacked by superman at faster than light speed
User avatar #83 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
You seem to be under the impression that Goku can't move above lightspeed. Which he can.
User avatar #84 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
prove it

no powerlevel calculating bullshit. no hyperbole. no exaggeration. no instant transmission is speed logic

where does goku clearly move at lightspeed, let alone faster than light?
#111 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
shit man half the characters in this series move faster then light. its more of a question of how much faster they can go then light
#85 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Powerlevel is something that HAS to be taken into account when measuring Goku's speed and strength and destructive ability. Gokus power level.

Dragon ball Images to show detail for lightning vs Light: http://i.imgur.com/2CzMl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qgg5u.jpg

At that time, Goku was only at power level 180, moving at the speed of lightning (if not faster, but for the sake of the argument, going to go with the minimum, lightning)
Lightning travels approximately 3,700 miles per second and light moves at about 186,000 miles per second.

So we take his ss4 power level 34,560,000,000,000,000. Divide that by 180, and we get 192 trillion times faster than the speed of lightning. We divide that by the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second, giving us 1023258065.6 times faster than the speed of light.

And this is only if you dont let me take instant transmission into account
User avatar #87 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
even if your calculation is right (which is far from being), that still does not come close to supermans 91 million times faster than light speed
#104 - thegoodidiot (12/15/2012) [-]
Actually judging by supermans speed using the same equation to find Gokus speed in reverse I have deduced that his powerlevel would only be 3,046,680,000,000,000 which is 31 quadrillion less than SSJ4 So judging by speed Superman is weaker
User avatar #88 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
That clearly says one billion, twenty three million, two hundred fifty eight thousand sixty five point six. Bigger than 91 million.

And the calculations aren't wrong. You're just mad.
User avatar #89 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
check that you are right, but the calculation is still wrong
User avatar #93 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
I goofed the calcs, you're right. So we take 180 PL which equals 3700 MPS. So divide 34,560,000,000,000,000 by 180, and we get 192,000,000,000,000.

Speed of light 186,000 divided by 3,700 is 50.3 rounded. We have the two equalizing numbers now. We just multiply them together and get 9,638,400,000,000,000 times the speed of light. divide that by 91 million (supermans speed) and we get 105,916,483 times faster than superman. Maths.
User avatar #94 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #95 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
From there we DONT see SS4, so I based it on the content. From THAT page, I grabbed his power level at the time of the tournament.
#90 - theonlytinman has deleted their comment.
User avatar #92 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
it is not the math part that is wrong, it is the baseless assumptions that are behind it

www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-preview-goku

that explains it better than i can

also this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PtbiUbhmaE
User avatar #97 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Yes, the power level measure is technically "broken" but remember that it still applies in many ways.
User avatar #98 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
contradiction. if it is broken then it can not be applied. the death battle creators went straight to dbz fan sites who say that power level calculations are faulty
User avatar #99 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Contradiction: When Goku wins death battle, Ill dance in my victory. IF he loses (which he wont) , I will proceed to crawl into a hole and still believe Goku is stronger.
User avatar #100 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
www.screwattack.com/news/post-crisis-superman-weaker-version

they say that curling up under the bed is the most comfy
User avatar #103 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I did and it was a hell of a read.

And with the Ki manipulation that he was using, yes, I do believe that each slash had planetary destructive ability. As for your Krillin argument, I dont believe he has destructive ability like that of Trunks. The destructo disk is build for cutting shit to bits though. If he could make one big enough, sure it could probably cut the planet in half. Also he needed the ship because at the time he didnt have the ability to survive in space without air. He can do so now. He got scared during Cell and Buu's attacks because he is trying to PROTECT earth. The attacks would destroy it. As for you disregarding the solar kamehameha, you're calling it a hyperbole because it helps you sleep at night, but it did have that destructive ability. And you are trying to disregard GT, but its something that deathbattle is taking into account. Unlike with Superman, Its not some alternate storyline. Its a continuation.
User avatar #102 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
at least read the post first

frieza BARELY survived namek exploding, and needed to be repaired in order to be functional, but that would not matter anyway if the ship never found him. your argument assumes that every single cut from trunks' sword has planetary level cutting ability, which is silly. goku was able to guard against it due to his martial arts training and his ki manipulation. frieza was harmed by far weaker attacks, unless you are saying this means krillin has large planetary level destructive capability now, since his attack cut frieza in the first place? and if goku had that level of durability, why was he scared when namek was about to explode and when both cell and buu tried to use planet level ki moves too? superman was knocked out, but not even physically affected in any other case, by a supernova at point blank due to brainiac

cells "solar kamehameha" is nothing more than a hyperbole. there is no indication that it is anything more that planetary level, let alone as big as the solar system. those are two very different levels of power. cell also said that he was the perfect lifeform too

and everything you mention about gt is fallacy because gt is not canon to the story. besides, if you want to play the cheap way, superman learned how to create a miracle machine, which grants any wish, by himself after looking at the blueprints once. then there is cosmic armor superman, which a multiversal gurren laggan like robot created by the clashing energy of superman and ultraman, and controlled by superman, that can instantly adapt to any attack easily
User avatar #101 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I dont have time to cite any manga scans, or I would but lets take some things into consideration, shall we?

Frieza was chopped in half, beaten to death, and had no energy to speak of. He survived a planetary explosion (namek), then at a much higher power level (when he was mecha freiza) was destroyed by trunk's sword. The same striking power was tried on Goku and he had such durability as it didn't even affect his little finger. So a sword strike more powerful than a planetary explosion and in only SS1 he was able to stop it with a finger. Cell had the power of the solar Kamehameha, which could destroy "entire solar systems" by cell. This being said, lets assume it can only destroy our little 9 planet 1 star solar system. That could be done without completely exhausting cell in any way. But when cell blew himself up, he did manage to kill Goku with a blast that was so powerful that it destroyed a Kai's planet, which was previously stated as indestructible, and also releasing Bojack from his cosmic prison. In Dragon Ball GT, we see that Goku had the ability to defeat both Cell and Frieza at the same time without even going super saiyan, and with the amount of power that he could use in his child form.

You won't like this next bit I have for you, I can tell. Mostly because its kinda speculation but kind of not. He was given the dragon balls at the end, becoming one with them, essentially making him immortal. I would think it gives him other powers, higher levels than that he was previously at, even in the end of dragon ball z. The dragon balls could rebuild entire universe at a whim. A. Fucking. Whim. That kinda power is inside of Goku. I think he can handle whatever Superman has for him
User avatar #86 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
except no

there is no way of knowing how exactly strength or speed increase with powerlevel. the farmer at the start og dbz had a powerlevel of 1, but with a gun had a powerlevel of 5. how does that work?

powerlevels were not used after the namel saga too because toriyama got tired of using them. the main reason why powerleves were used was for a way to make the bad guys in the series underestimate goku and the other fighters, not to be used for actual calculations

the scan of goku training with mr popo does not prove your point either. that statement seems like a simile and is not meant to be treated seriously. otherwise mulan and the other soldiers would be literally as swift as a coursing river. if goku was as fast as light, why does he need his friends to help him collect dragonballs faster?

goku is a fast character that reaches massively hypersonic speeds, but there is no evidence that he can reach the speed of light or even supermans faster than light speeds either
User avatar #91 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Whoever told you that the rifle made his power level 5? It was the man himself with power level 5. You're misinformed.

It was most certainly not used as a metaphor, that was the point of the second picture, which advertised it.

As for them using power levels to make him look stronger or weaker, he was almost always weaker in power level and still won. You're losing even further now, thanks.

As for finding the dragon balls faster, it didnt make sense for him to use any of his power to go get them during the time of need (which is when he NEEDED the power in case of a fight) and if he wasn't in a desperate need, it was faster for them to go separately because there was no reason for him to use said power to go get them, as it would be a waste.

Goku is fast, I know.
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User avatar #67 - metajunky (11/20/2012) [-]
then the spirit bomb harmlessly bounces off superman due to superman having a pure heart and being good. superman responds by hitting goku with a punch so strong and fast that it turns goku into paste
User avatar #68 - noobofdoom (11/20/2012) [-]
Goku dodges the bunch and uses dragon fist
User avatar #69 - metajunky (11/20/2012) [-]
and goku who is hypersonic at best is dodging a faster than light character in what way?
User avatar #70 - noobofdoom (11/21/2012) [-]
instant transmission
User avatar #71 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
good for running away
User avatar #72 - noobofdoom (11/21/2012) [-]
or teleporting away, getting kryptonite, and destroying superman
User avatar #73 - metajunky (11/21/2012) [-]
sigh...

now goku is going to magically know what kryptonite is? get real now, there is no way goku could know or use it effectively

goku needs to concentrate to use teleporting, which does not help against getting bitch smacked by superman at faster than light speed
User avatar #83 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
You seem to be under the impression that Goku can't move above lightspeed. Which he can.
User avatar #84 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
prove it

no powerlevel calculating bullshit. no hyperbole. no exaggeration. no instant transmission is speed logic

where does goku clearly move at lightspeed, let alone faster than light?
#111 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
shit man half the characters in this series move faster then light. its more of a question of how much faster they can go then light
#85 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Powerlevel is something that HAS to be taken into account when measuring Goku's speed and strength and destructive ability. Gokus power level.

Dragon ball Images to show detail for lightning vs Light: http://i.imgur.com/2CzMl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qgg5u.jpg

At that time, Goku was only at power level 180, moving at the speed of lightning (if not faster, but for the sake of the argument, going to go with the minimum, lightning)
Lightning travels approximately 3,700 miles per second and light moves at about 186,000 miles per second.

So we take his ss4 power level 34,560,000,000,000,000. Divide that by 180, and we get 192 trillion times faster than the speed of lightning. We divide that by the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second, giving us 1023258065.6 times faster than the speed of light.

And this is only if you dont let me take instant transmission into account
User avatar #87 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
even if your calculation is right (which is far from being), that still does not come close to supermans 91 million times faster than light speed
#104 - thegoodidiot (12/15/2012) [-]
Actually judging by supermans speed using the same equation to find Gokus speed in reverse I have deduced that his powerlevel would only be 3,046,680,000,000,000 which is 31 quadrillion less than SSJ4 So judging by speed Superman is weaker
User avatar #88 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
That clearly says one billion, twenty three million, two hundred fifty eight thousand sixty five point six. Bigger than 91 million.

And the calculations aren't wrong. You're just mad.
User avatar #89 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
check that you are right, but the calculation is still wrong
User avatar #93 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
I goofed the calcs, you're right. So we take 180 PL which equals 3700 MPS. So divide 34,560,000,000,000,000 by 180, and we get 192,000,000,000,000.

Speed of light 186,000 divided by 3,700 is 50.3 rounded. We have the two equalizing numbers now. We just multiply them together and get 9,638,400,000,000,000 times the speed of light. divide that by 91 million (supermans speed) and we get 105,916,483 times faster than superman. Maths.
User avatar #94 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
User avatar #95 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
From there we DONT see SS4, so I based it on the content. From THAT page, I grabbed his power level at the time of the tournament.
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User avatar #92 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
it is not the math part that is wrong, it is the baseless assumptions that are behind it

www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-preview-goku

that explains it better than i can

also this

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PtbiUbhmaE
User avatar #97 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Yes, the power level measure is technically "broken" but remember that it still applies in many ways.
User avatar #98 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
contradiction. if it is broken then it can not be applied. the death battle creators went straight to dbz fan sites who say that power level calculations are faulty
User avatar #99 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
Contradiction: When Goku wins death battle, Ill dance in my victory. IF he loses (which he wont) , I will proceed to crawl into a hole and still believe Goku is stronger.
User avatar #100 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
www.screwattack.com/news/post-crisis-superman-weaker-version

they say that curling up under the bed is the most comfy
User avatar #103 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I did and it was a hell of a read.

And with the Ki manipulation that he was using, yes, I do believe that each slash had planetary destructive ability. As for your Krillin argument, I dont believe he has destructive ability like that of Trunks. The destructo disk is build for cutting shit to bits though. If he could make one big enough, sure it could probably cut the planet in half. Also he needed the ship because at the time he didnt have the ability to survive in space without air. He can do so now. He got scared during Cell and Buu's attacks because he is trying to PROTECT earth. The attacks would destroy it. As for you disregarding the solar kamehameha, you're calling it a hyperbole because it helps you sleep at night, but it did have that destructive ability. And you are trying to disregard GT, but its something that deathbattle is taking into account. Unlike with Superman, Its not some alternate storyline. Its a continuation.
User avatar #102 - metajunky (12/12/2012) [-]
at least read the post first

frieza BARELY survived namek exploding, and needed to be repaired in order to be functional, but that would not matter anyway if the ship never found him. your argument assumes that every single cut from trunks' sword has planetary level cutting ability, which is silly. goku was able to guard against it due to his martial arts training and his ki manipulation. frieza was harmed by far weaker attacks, unless you are saying this means krillin has large planetary level destructive capability now, since his attack cut frieza in the first place? and if goku had that level of durability, why was he scared when namek was about to explode and when both cell and buu tried to use planet level ki moves too? superman was knocked out, but not even physically affected in any other case, by a supernova at point blank due to brainiac

cells "solar kamehameha" is nothing more than a hyperbole. there is no indication that it is anything more that planetary level, let alone as big as the solar system. those are two very different levels of power. cell also said that he was the perfect lifeform too

and everything you mention about gt is fallacy because gt is not canon to the story. besides, if you want to play the cheap way, superman learned how to create a miracle machine, which grants any wish, by himself after looking at the blueprints once. then there is cosmic armor superman, which a multiversal gurren laggan like robot created by the clashing energy of superman and ultraman, and controlled by superman, that can instantly adapt to any attack easily
User avatar #101 - theonlytinman (12/12/2012) [-]
I dont have time to cite any manga scans, or I would but lets take some things into consideration, shall we?

Frieza was chopped in half, beaten to death, and had no energy to speak of. He survived a planetary explosion (namek), then at a much higher power level (when he was mecha freiza) was destroyed by trunk's sword. The same striking power was tried on Goku and he had such durability as it didn't even affect his little finger. So a sword strike more powerful than a planetary explosion and in only SS1 he was able to stop it with a finger. Cell had the power of the solar Kamehameha, which could destroy "entire solar systems" by cell. This being said, lets assume it can only destroy our little 9 planet 1 star solar system. That could be done without completely exhausting cell in any way. But when cell blew himself up, he did manage to kill Goku with a blast that was so powerful that it destroyed a Kai's planet, which was previously stated as indestructible, and also releasing Bojack from his cosmic prison. In Dragon Ball GT, we see that Goku had the ability to defeat both Cell and Frieza at the same time without even going super saiyan, and with the amount of power that he could use in his child form.

You won't like this next bit I have for you, I can tell. Mostly because its kinda speculation but kind of not. He was given the dragon balls at the end, becoming one with them, essentially making him immortal. I would think it gives him other powers, higher levels than that he was previously at, even in the end of dragon ball z. The dragon balls could rebuild entire universe at a whim. A. Fucking. Whim. That kinda power is inside of Goku. I think he can handle whatever Superman has for him
User avatar #86 - metajunky (12/11/2012) [-]
except no

there is no way of knowing how exactly strength or speed increase with powerlevel. the farmer at the start og dbz had a powerlevel of 1, but with a gun had a powerlevel of 5. how does that work?

powerlevels were not used after the namel saga too because toriyama got tired of using them. the main reason why powerleves were used was for a way to make the bad guys in the series underestimate goku and the other fighters, not to be used for actual calculations

the scan of goku training with mr popo does not prove your point either. that statement seems like a simile and is not meant to be treated seriously. otherwise mulan and the other soldiers would be literally as swift as a coursing river. if goku was as fast as light, why does he need his friends to help him collect dragonballs faster?

goku is a fast character that reaches massively hypersonic speeds, but there is no evidence that he can reach the speed of light or even supermans faster than light speeds either
User avatar #91 - theonlytinman (12/11/2012) [-]
Whoever told you that the rifle made his power level 5? It was the man himself with power level 5. You're misinformed.

It was most certainly not used as a metaphor, that was the point of the second picture, which advertised it.

As for them using power levels to make him look stronger or weaker, he was almost always weaker in power level and still won. You're losing even further now, thanks.

As for finding the dragon balls faster, it didnt make sense for him to use any of his power to go get them during the time of need (which is when he NEEDED the power in case of a fight) and if he wasn't in a desperate need, it was faster for them to go separately because there was no reason for him to use said power to go get them, as it would be a waste.

Goku is fast, I know.
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