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| #345 - Lol I totally ****** that up. I meant to say they get d… | 5 hours ago on The Facts | 0 |
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| #155 - You wanna break a guys legs, you go at him with a bat. You wan… | 6 hours ago on Don't stick your dick in crazy | 0 |
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mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-]  But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-]  Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
anon (2 minutes ago) [-] So, the world doesn't fit into your narrow view anymore and you're upset because of that fact. What a joke. | ||
| #300 - Sociology: Then you're wrong. Psychology: The… [+] (11 new replies) | 6 hours ago on The Facts | +1 |
 You say so But I dont care that you say so So we're at an impasse there I mean I can do it too look Everything else: Youre wrong tho #354 -
mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-] But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-] Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
anon (2 minutes ago) [-] So, the world doesn't fit into your narrow view anymore and you're upset because of that fact. What a joke. | ||
| #292 - For sociology? Gives an extra variable we can use to track sta… [+] (13 new replies) | 7 hours ago on The Facts | +1 |
| Sociology: Im not convinced of that Not that I hold the highest regard for sociology in general but that in particular sounds like bunk to me. You have at it but Im not buying that. Especially when you frame it as the only variable by which these things can be studied, which I understand was not your intent but your focus on somehow proving this focus to be of critical importance has given you that air. Psychology: See above, though I have a little more faith in the field but again, this sounds like some gum-flapping. I do not buy that these things are personality aspects in the first place, specifically because I am as yet convinced that every instance of such claims is a bid for attention by vapid and delusional individuals who want to stand apart from the crowd as they are incapable of handling the idea that they are insignificant or not special. Relationships: Cry me a river The reason i still thing Gender = Sex is the same reason I don't pray to a god I've no reason to. I have yet to be convinced that it is necessary or there is any good reason to do so. I also don't believe in a spectral pink teapot that floats around in space and will determine the future of the universe based on the fashion choices of a lesbian from newyork city. What reason have I to buy into it, when the only argument for it so far as been "But you gotta!" Youve given me some reasons yes And they havent been very good ones, so I am not won over Failing that I am left at square 1, people want me to believe in this thing because... because they want me to? because it makes them feel better? because it gives them more to whine about when their super secret space gender in their head is somehow slighted? Under more ordinary circumstances I wouldnt be so opposed, but the last several months have given me pause for thought on why I should simply accept this and that because why not. Well there is a 'why not', and it is that this shit is being used to drive peoples lives to ruin over invented slights and hurt feelings. Institutions of education being turned into stepford culdesacs of feefees and comfort, professionals stripped from their jobs and humour being stamped out. Ofcourse this isn't everyone but these occurences have given me a reason to stop and seriously consider if I want to accept something, simply because why not? That's my why not, and that means something which might have previously slid past on "yeah sure I cant see any problem with that I guess" now has to prove its worth being accepted, that there's a good reason to take it in. Sociology: Then you're wrong. Psychology: Then you're wrong. Relationships: Fair enough. You're not obligated to give a fuck. Everything else: That's ludicrous. Besides the erroneous comparisons between the actual behavior of human beings and the hypothetical possibilities of a deity, you've ignored every reason presented to you for no discernible reason. Here's the cool thing however: Language isn't determined by the individual. Whether or not you choose to recognize it, for all the reasons I've presented and more, gender is not the same as sex. You ignoring that makes you factually incorrect. The language has evolved, like it or not. You say so But I dont care that you say so So we're at an impasse there I mean I can do it too look Everything else: Youre wrong tho #354 -
mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-] But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-] Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
anon (2 minutes ago) [-] So, the world doesn't fit into your narrow view anymore and you're upset because of that fact. What a joke. | ||
| #260 - It's unambiguously useful. Whether or not it is a correct usag… [+] (15 new replies) | 8 hours ago on The Facts | 0 |
| You keep saying it's useful And nothing else Not, for instance, any way in which it is useful, only that it is Ok Now you say it's unambiguoously useful uh huh how Gender is Sex For sociology? Gives an extra variable we can use to track statistics in a population. Are people who experience a difference in their gender and sex more likely to suffer from certain ailments, or commit crimes, or suffer prejudice? You can't track that without distinguishing between the two, and you can't combat it without tracking it. Psychology/Psychiatry? Aforementioned knowledge of whether they're more likely to suffer from certain ailments extends to those of the mind, too. Sure, you might say that gender dysphoria is a disease in and of itself, to which I would respond that that kind of thinking is at least just as bad. In any case, it's easier to treat someone when you're not ignoring aspects of their personality. How does this affect you? Well, it'd be better for you if there were less psychotic people wandering around, surely. An extreme example, but not the only one. Interpersonal relationships? People are less likely to think you're a prick if you're not baselessly outright rejecting things they say about themselves. By all means, call them out if they're being attention whores, but not everyone is. Not even most people are. Let me turn it back around on you, now. Why is gender the same as sex? Despite the fact that the English language can only be improved by adding meaning to words that were previously synonymous, despite the fact that it is a thing that people all over the place are experiencing, despite the fact that it's useful in various situations, and despite the fact that the dictionary no longer supports your definition, you say they are the same thing. Why? Sociology: Im not convinced of that Not that I hold the highest regard for sociology in general but that in particular sounds like bunk to me. You have at it but Im not buying that. Especially when you frame it as the only variable by which these things can be studied, which I understand was not your intent but your focus on somehow proving this focus to be of critical importance has given you that air. Psychology: See above, though I have a little more faith in the field but again, this sounds like some gum-flapping. I do not buy that these things are personality aspects in the first place, specifically because I am as yet convinced that every instance of such claims is a bid for attention by vapid and delusional individuals who want to stand apart from the crowd as they are incapable of handling the idea that they are insignificant or not special. Relationships: Cry me a river The reason i still thing Gender = Sex is the same reason I don't pray to a god I've no reason to. I have yet to be convinced that it is necessary or there is any good reason to do so. I also don't believe in a spectral pink teapot that floats around in space and will determine the future of the universe based on the fashion choices of a lesbian from newyork city. What reason have I to buy into it, when the only argument for it so far as been "But you gotta!" Youve given me some reasons yes And they havent been very good ones, so I am not won over Failing that I am left at square 1, people want me to believe in this thing because... because they want me to? because it makes them feel better? because it gives them more to whine about when their super secret space gender in their head is somehow slighted? Under more ordinary circumstances I wouldnt be so opposed, but the last several months have given me pause for thought on why I should simply accept this and that because why not. Well there is a 'why not', and it is that this shit is being used to drive peoples lives to ruin over invented slights and hurt feelings. Institutions of education being turned into stepford culdesacs of feefees and comfort, professionals stripped from their jobs and humour being stamped out. Ofcourse this isn't everyone but these occurences have given me a reason to stop and seriously consider if I want to accept something, simply because why not? That's my why not, and that means something which might have previously slid past on "yeah sure I cant see any problem with that I guess" now has to prove its worth being accepted, that there's a good reason to take it in. Sociology: Then you're wrong. Psychology: Then you're wrong. Relationships: Fair enough. You're not obligated to give a fuck. Everything else: That's ludicrous. Besides the erroneous comparisons between the actual behavior of human beings and the hypothetical possibilities of a deity, you've ignored every reason presented to you for no discernible reason. Here's the cool thing however: Language isn't determined by the individual. Whether or not you choose to recognize it, for all the reasons I've presented and more, gender is not the same as sex. You ignoring that makes you factually incorrect. The language has evolved, like it or not. You say so But I dont care that you say so So we're at an impasse there I mean I can do it too look Everything else: Youre wrong tho #354 -
mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-] But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-] Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
anon (2 minutes ago) [-] So, the world doesn't fit into your narrow view anymore and you're upset because of that fact. What a joke. | ||
| #246 - I genuinely don't understand how you can acknowledge that it i… [+] (17 new replies) | 8 hours ago on The Facts | 0 |
| I never said it was true I said they see it as useful THATS what I recognize This does not make it true I have to be convinced of it's truth and if the only reason to have believed stars are on fire is so that it makes more sense when some lunatic talks about his star-blisters I wouldnt have believed it But noone has given any actual good reason for why gender and sex are any different, and of those who try, their only explanation for what gender suddenly means is "Your self identity" Ok My "gender" is a sentient latex buttplug And you need to believe it because gender is a thing It's unambiguously useful. Whether or not it is a correct usage of the word depends entirely on whether or not it is used that way in the language. Which it is, to the point that it's now recognized as such in dictionaries. Gender is the state of being male, female or some variation thereof with respect to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. You keep saying it's useful And nothing else Not, for instance, any way in which it is useful, only that it is Ok Now you say it's unambiguoously useful uh huh how Gender is Sex For sociology? Gives an extra variable we can use to track statistics in a population. Are people who experience a difference in their gender and sex more likely to suffer from certain ailments, or commit crimes, or suffer prejudice? You can't track that without distinguishing between the two, and you can't combat it without tracking it. Psychology/Psychiatry? Aforementioned knowledge of whether they're more likely to suffer from certain ailments extends to those of the mind, too. Sure, you might say that gender dysphoria is a disease in and of itself, to which I would respond that that kind of thinking is at least just as bad. In any case, it's easier to treat someone when you're not ignoring aspects of their personality. How does this affect you? Well, it'd be better for you if there were less psychotic people wandering around, surely. An extreme example, but not the only one. Interpersonal relationships? People are less likely to think you're a prick if you're not baselessly outright rejecting things they say about themselves. By all means, call them out if they're being attention whores, but not everyone is. Not even most people are. Let me turn it back around on you, now. Why is gender the same as sex? Despite the fact that the English language can only be improved by adding meaning to words that were previously synonymous, despite the fact that it is a thing that people all over the place are experiencing, despite the fact that it's useful in various situations, and despite the fact that the dictionary no longer supports your definition, you say they are the same thing. Why? Sociology: Im not convinced of that Not that I hold the highest regard for sociology in general but that in particular sounds like bunk to me. You have at it but Im not buying that. Especially when you frame it as the only variable by which these things can be studied, which I understand was not your intent but your focus on somehow proving this focus to be of critical importance has given you that air. Psychology: See above, though I have a little more faith in the field but again, this sounds like some gum-flapping. I do not buy that these things are personality aspects in the first place, specifically because I am as yet convinced that every instance of such claims is a bid for attention by vapid and delusional individuals who want to stand apart from the crowd as they are incapable of handling the idea that they are insignificant or not special. Relationships: Cry me a river The reason i still thing Gender = Sex is the same reason I don't pray to a god I've no reason to. I have yet to be convinced that it is necessary or there is any good reason to do so. I also don't believe in a spectral pink teapot that floats around in space and will determine the future of the universe based on the fashion choices of a lesbian from newyork city. What reason have I to buy into it, when the only argument for it so far as been "But you gotta!" Youve given me some reasons yes And they havent been very good ones, so I am not won over Failing that I am left at square 1, people want me to believe in this thing because... because they want me to? because it makes them feel better? because it gives them more to whine about when their super secret space gender in their head is somehow slighted? Under more ordinary circumstances I wouldnt be so opposed, but the last several months have given me pause for thought on why I should simply accept this and that because why not. Well there is a 'why not', and it is that this shit is being used to drive peoples lives to ruin over invented slights and hurt feelings. Institutions of education being turned into stepford culdesacs of feefees and comfort, professionals stripped from their jobs and humour being stamped out. Ofcourse this isn't everyone but these occurences have given me a reason to stop and seriously consider if I want to accept something, simply because why not? That's my why not, and that means something which might have previously slid past on "yeah sure I cant see any problem with that I guess" now has to prove its worth being accepted, that there's a good reason to take it in. Sociology: Then you're wrong. Psychology: Then you're wrong. Relationships: Fair enough. You're not obligated to give a fuck. Everything else: That's ludicrous. Besides the erroneous comparisons between the actual behavior of human beings and the hypothetical possibilities of a deity, you've ignored every reason presented to you for no discernible reason. Here's the cool thing however: Language isn't determined by the individual. Whether or not you choose to recognize it, for all the reasons I've presented and more, gender is not the same as sex. You ignoring that makes you factually incorrect. The language has evolved, like it or not. You say so But I dont care that you say so So we're at an impasse there I mean I can do it too look Everything else: Youre wrong tho #354 -
mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-] But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-] Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
anon (2 minutes ago) [-] So, the world doesn't fit into your narrow view anymore and you're upset because of that fact. What a joke. | ||
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| I can deny its a thing because I do not see those people with their reasons to see it as a thing as being an authority on the thing, or on anything outside of their field What I mean is that their decisions are, as yet, not relevant to me and my life They havent yet had any reason to dictate my view on the world So whatever use they have for it, is irrelevant to me, and so I see no reason to change how I see things to suit their uses As for why I talk about something Im not invested in: That's easy I felt like it I genuinely don't understand how you can acknowledge that it is a useful and true thing in some situations but not accept that it is a useful and true thing. This is like saying a doctor isn't an authority on how your body works so you don't accept that you have an immune system. Or that a physicist isn't an authority on how the universe works so you don't accept the idea that stars aren't on fire. Or any other such retarded thing. I never said it was true I said they see it as useful THATS what I recognize This does not make it true I have to be convinced of it's truth and if the only reason to have believed stars are on fire is so that it makes more sense when some lunatic talks about his star-blisters I wouldnt have believed it But noone has given any actual good reason for why gender and sex are any different, and of those who try, their only explanation for what gender suddenly means is "Your self identity" Ok My "gender" is a sentient latex buttplug And you need to believe it because gender is a thing It's unambiguously useful. Whether or not it is a correct usage of the word depends entirely on whether or not it is used that way in the language. Which it is, to the point that it's now recognized as such in dictionaries. Gender is the state of being male, female or some variation thereof with respect to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. You keep saying it's useful And nothing else Not, for instance, any way in which it is useful, only that it is Ok Now you say it's unambiguoously useful uh huh how Gender is Sex For sociology? Gives an extra variable we can use to track statistics in a population. Are people who experience a difference in their gender and sex more likely to suffer from certain ailments, or commit crimes, or suffer prejudice? You can't track that without distinguishing between the two, and you can't combat it without tracking it. Psychology/Psychiatry? Aforementioned knowledge of whether they're more likely to suffer from certain ailments extends to those of the mind, too. Sure, you might say that gender dysphoria is a disease in and of itself, to which I would respond that that kind of thinking is at least just as bad. In any case, it's easier to treat someone when you're not ignoring aspects of their personality. How does this affect you? Well, it'd be better for you if there were less psychotic people wandering around, surely. An extreme example, but not the only one. Interpersonal relationships? People are less likely to think you're a prick if you're not baselessly outright rejecting things they say about themselves. By all means, call them out if they're being attention whores, but not everyone is. Not even most people are. Let me turn it back around on you, now. Why is gender the same as sex? Despite the fact that the English language can only be improved by adding meaning to words that were previously synonymous, despite the fact that it is a thing that people all over the place are experiencing, despite the fact that it's useful in various situations, and despite the fact that the dictionary no longer supports your definition, you say they are the same thing. Why? Sociology: Im not convinced of that Not that I hold the highest regard for sociology in general but that in particular sounds like bunk to me. You have at it but Im not buying that. Especially when you frame it as the only variable by which these things can be studied, which I understand was not your intent but your focus on somehow proving this focus to be of critical importance has given you that air. Psychology: See above, though I have a little more faith in the field but again, this sounds like some gum-flapping. I do not buy that these things are personality aspects in the first place, specifically because I am as yet convinced that every instance of such claims is a bid for attention by vapid and delusional individuals who want to stand apart from the crowd as they are incapable of handling the idea that they are insignificant or not special. Relationships: Cry me a river The reason i still thing Gender = Sex is the same reason I don't pray to a god I've no reason to. I have yet to be convinced that it is necessary or there is any good reason to do so. I also don't believe in a spectral pink teapot that floats around in space and will determine the future of the universe based on the fashion choices of a lesbian from newyork city. What reason have I to buy into it, when the only argument for it so far as been "But you gotta!" Youve given me some reasons yes And they havent been very good ones, so I am not won over Failing that I am left at square 1, people want me to believe in this thing because... because they want me to? because it makes them feel better? because it gives them more to whine about when their super secret space gender in their head is somehow slighted? Under more ordinary circumstances I wouldnt be so opposed, but the last several months have given me pause for thought on why I should simply accept this and that because why not. Well there is a 'why not', and it is that this shit is being used to drive peoples lives to ruin over invented slights and hurt feelings. Institutions of education being turned into stepford culdesacs of feefees and comfort, professionals stripped from their jobs and humour being stamped out. Ofcourse this isn't everyone but these occurences have given me a reason to stop and seriously consider if I want to accept something, simply because why not? That's my why not, and that means something which might have previously slid past on "yeah sure I cant see any problem with that I guess" now has to prove its worth being accepted, that there's a good reason to take it in. Sociology: Then you're wrong. Psychology: Then you're wrong. Relationships: Fair enough. You're not obligated to give a fuck. Everything else: That's ludicrous. Besides the erroneous comparisons between the actual behavior of human beings and the hypothetical possibilities of a deity, you've ignored every reason presented to you for no discernible reason. Here's the cool thing however: Language isn't determined by the individual. Whether or not you choose to recognize it, for all the reasons I've presented and more, gender is not the same as sex. You ignoring that makes you factually incorrect. The language has evolved, like it or not. You say so But I dont care that you say so So we're at an impasse there I mean I can do it too look Everything else: Youre wrong tho #354 -
mrsauce (4 hours ago) [-] But at what point would one draw the line between "arbitrary preference" and "gender"? That line and those categories are entirely subjective. I for one don't see reasons for a feminine or masculine trait. It would be like asking a tomboy why she's a tomboy. The aspects of her personality that make her a tomboy have been subjectively defined as masculine and then objectively accepted by society as masculine. For that matter, what line is there between any of the identities that people give themselves? The problem I find is that the differences are just too minor to be noteworthy, which is why it's only been male and female (and both) up until this last few years to decade. At least that has been the general assumption. I spent so long typing that paragraph that I forgot what I was going to say next. Oh right, identity. The word is self-explanatory to my point. Many of those who make these identities for themselves are at the age in which they are trying to find who they are (teenagers to young adults; Identity VS Role Confusion) which may be a factor in the creation of these terms. Nobody wants to be undefined, and everyone wants something or some term to use that captures their specific situation, or their specific self. Psychologically speaking, it creates a sense of security and well, identity! But as you pointed out, these examples may not represent the correct way to use what you are describing, and while I agree, it should be considered as an important sociological factor among the aforementioned age group (teenagers to young adults). I guess to sum up my points, I don't feel that these masculine/feminine tendencies are any more than personality traits. There are of course, major exceptions that push people to get sex changes, but in the end those are still either male or female. There will always be exceptions. The more specific term creation is, in my opinion, currently attempts to define oneself, which is typical human behavior. It's not abnormal at all because people have done it in different ways for a while now. Probably going to head off after this. It's always fun having an intelligent discussion once and a while. #336 -
mrsauce (5 hours ago) [-] Not to say I disagree with him on the Gender = Sex thing, however. If one is a man with feminine traits, then one is still a man. There should be no special label for non-masculine traits because everyone is going to have character traits that are one or the other, regardless of gender. I typically keep my fingernails longer than normal, which is an arguably feminine trait. Does that need a label? Absolutely not. Having masculine-oriented personality traits as a woman does not make someone anything other than a woman with masculine traits / oriented personality. As for the psychology / sociology reason, of course it's useful. Studying these traits can be very useful in diagnosing disorders, and the thought processes of individual people. However, I don't believe these differences should be categorized and treated as anything more than minor divergences from the norm, unique from person to person. It would be stupid to assume that there's one reason for why so many people create these identities for themselves, so I'm not going to do that. However, I personally feel that some people create such labels in an attempt to explain their behaviors in a way similar to how a teenager would self-diagnose themselves with disorders because they see symptoms of said disorder in themselves. From a personal perspective in this case, it may just be the need for an explanation. Text walls incoming Arguing is like crack to me, so on one level it was fun. On another it was fucking awful. In my mind, that's a categorically different thing to the gender/sex thing. Gender is inherently about feelings, which is why it's really only useful in the fields where mentality is a factor. The distinction I would make about the nails is the reason. If you had long nails because of arbitrary preference, it's unrelated to gender. If you chose to keep your nails longer than usual because you are feminine, it'd be related to gender. But I agree that it in itself doesn't need a label - The gender thing is related to identity, and your identity isn't determined by a single factor. It's the sum of your parts. They would need a label in any study or conversation, saying "The way a person feels about their sex" is both tedious and carries none of the subtext that "gender" would. For the same reason, we say "quarks" instead of "pieces of a proton" Some people definitely do that, but it doesn't change the reality of the matter. To use an example I feel we'll agree on, the fact that some people say they have ADD or ADHD when they want things to be neat doesn't detract from whether or not those are real things. Further, I see no problem with having labels, should they be correctly applied. People seem to take issue with being labelled, I think it's a good thing provided everyone involved is smart enough to know that a label doesn't describe a persons identity in totality and the label is accurate. Walls have arrived. #448 -
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
I've always defined art as "creative human endeavor the sole purpose of which is aesthetic quality".
And yes, video games would most definitely fall under that category if "fun" and "game play" are to be taken as media-specific, aesthetic features (which, I earnestly believe, they are).
Would you mind, very quickly so, telling me what you think about the point that Denis Dutton was making in the comment I posted? Do you agree with the anon that he is "pretentious"?
And yes, video games would most definitely fall under that category if "fun" and "game play" are to be taken as media-specific, aesthetic features (which, I earnestly believe, they are).
Would you mind, very quickly so, telling me what you think about the point that Denis Dutton was making in the comment I posted? Do you agree with the anon that he is "pretentious"?
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
He gon die tho.
No, but yeah. Say hi to Chuck for me. I'm sure he misses me a lot I mean, you did call me "brother ladyman". What am I supposed to assume here?
Give Chuck-y back!
Anyhow, I think I ought to **** off now. I'm supposed to be working on my projects. I've been too relaxed since my writing's been working out for me. Too too relaxed...
I have to go with the momentum, and FJ is killing it.
No, but yeah. Say hi to Chuck for me. I'm sure he misses me a lot I mean, you did call me "brother ladyman". What am I supposed to assume here?
Give Chuck-y back!
Anyhow, I think I ought to **** off now. I'm supposed to be working on my projects. I've been too relaxed since my writing's been working out for me. Too too relaxed...
I have to go with the momentum, and FJ is killing it.
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] I said it, but being asleep he just kept snoring. So, sure. He probably misses you a bunch. I bet he's dreaming about you right now.
I ought to have ****** off hours ago. I'm meant to finish my assignment tonight so I can compare my answers with my lab partner... I haven't started :C
I ought to have ****** off hours ago. I'm meant to finish my assignment tonight so I can compare my answers with my lab partner... I haven't started :C
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
>not exactly totally entirely 100% effectiveness
>I haven't started yet
You're extremely liberal with your use of certain expressions, aren't you ninjaroo?
>I haven't started yet
You're extremely liberal with your use of certain expressions, aren't you ninjaroo?
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Read? READ? You have to READ for engineering classes?
I thought engineering was, like, building a bridge. Or something. lol
Maybe you could ask Taffy (okay, okay... I'm sorry. I'll call him Chuck from now on) to help you out. I wasn't going anywhere with that statement. I'm not gonna make some stupid joke about how dogs are good at reading or anything like that.
I just wanted to call Chuck "Taffy". Alright. We're good.
We're good.
I thought engineering was, like, building a bridge. Or something. lol
Maybe you could ask Taffy (okay, okay... I'm sorry. I'll call him Chuck from now on) to help you out. I wasn't going anywhere with that statement. I'm not gonna make some stupid joke about how dogs are good at reading or anything like that.
I just wanted to call Chuck "Taffy". Alright. We're good.
We're good.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
You should really work on your knob, then, instead of READING stuff (lol, are you some kind of literature student, or what lol?).
Stupid boof, eh? Interesting. And he loves it too!? Wow. He certainly is a keeper.
If only he were female...
Stupid boof, eh? Interesting. And he loves it too!? Wow. He certainly is a keeper.
If only he were female...
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
No, no, no!
You'll never find a girl who likes guys like you. I mean, it's kinda cute, the whole shy thing, but... I think they termed it "pro-socially assertive". So, yeah. You ought to be pro-socially assertive. Not like bad boy asshole (no one actually likes that (or maybe it tends to work but only for a few weeks, until the girl understands that it's just a facade for insecurity)), but really in the vein of "let me do that for you, bae", you know? Or stepping up to some asshole, like all "you think that's a way to talk to a lady?"
Yeah. That's what it takes. Mhmm.
You seem like a really cool guy and it's fun to talk to you (despite your low levels of intelligence and high levels of pleb-tier taste in philosophy).
Please, ninjaroo. If you ever meet a girl you like, don't tell her that you're scared of her (and, coincidentally, of transsexuals as well). It's never too good an idea. Be a little shy, sure, but find a good moment and step up for yourself. Make a quip-y reply.
"Hey, do you liketrash anime trash, ninjaroo?
"Yo, bae, do I ******* look autistic? Tsundere mika mimono tukeru desu-do."
A bit of humor goes a long way. I'm not sure if I could be considered a coach on humor, though. Some people don't "get" my sense of humor, because they are not perfect. Not everyone's perfect, I know. But it's not an excuse, per se.
I believe in you, ninjaroo. Go catch 'em all! Or just one. Monogamy is good.
You'll never find a girl who likes guys like you. I mean, it's kinda cute, the whole shy thing, but... I think they termed it "pro-socially assertive". So, yeah. You ought to be pro-socially assertive. Not like bad boy asshole (no one actually likes that (or maybe it tends to work but only for a few weeks, until the girl understands that it's just a facade for insecurity)), but really in the vein of "let me do that for you, bae", you know? Or stepping up to some asshole, like all "you think that's a way to talk to a lady?"
Yeah. That's what it takes. Mhmm.
You seem like a really cool guy and it's fun to talk to you (despite your low levels of intelligence and high levels of pleb-tier taste in philosophy).
Please, ninjaroo. If you ever meet a girl you like, don't tell her that you're scared of her (and, coincidentally, of transsexuals as well). It's never too good an idea. Be a little shy, sure, but find a good moment and step up for yourself. Make a quip-y reply.
"Hey, do you like
"Yo, bae, do I ******* look autistic? Tsundere mika mimono tukeru desu-do."
A bit of humor goes a long way. I'm not sure if I could be considered a coach on humor, though. Some people don't "get" my sense of humor, because they are not perfect. Not everyone's perfect, I know. But it's not an excuse, per se.
I believe in you, ninjaroo. Go catch 'em all! Or just one. Monogamy is good.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Hmm... I guess some people are more open than others, and more prone to strike up a random conversation just like that. The internet is great in that respect. Maybe it could help with general a-social demeanor.
Now, when you say "I suck dick for a living" what exactly do you mean by "I suck dick for a living"? Are you being literal? Or is it a figurative dick like an oppressive government or a cumbersome college loan?
Now, when you say "I suck dick for a living" what exactly do you mean by "I suck dick for a living"? Are you being literal? Or is it a figurative dick like an oppressive government or a cumbersome college loan?
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] It's figurative, but I'm not referring to a job. Gay jokes are a strong tradition among my friends. To the point where some girls were surprised when I turned out to be straight in highschool... Good times, man.
You also seem to think I'm a-social. You are mistaken. I can't decide whether I should put an emote or something. Very serious without it, very silly with it, neither are correct.
You also seem to think I'm a-social. You are mistaken. I can't decide whether I should put an emote or something. Very serious without it, very silly with it, neither are correct.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Oh, no. I don't think you are a-social at all. I was just speaking generally.
But I guess I kinda pictured you as an awkward, shy, skinny guy with large spectacles who studies double major engineering/history but has always wished, deep inside his little heart, to become an anime writer.
He would call his anime "Tokogonu mifune hassai desudo desu".
I think sleep deprivation is slowly getting the better of me...
But I guess I kinda pictured you as an awkward, shy, skinny guy with large spectacles who studies double major engineering/history but has always wished, deep inside his little heart, to become an anime writer.
He would call his anime "Tokogonu mifune hassai desudo desu".
I think sleep deprivation is slowly getting the better of me...
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] I wouldn't saw I'm awkward or shy, but I am skinny and I do have glasses. I usually wear my prescription sunnies, so I look ****** baller. I also don't like anime that much, I just wanted to make the "anime is trash" reference.
I actually wanted to be a teacher, but decided robots are cooler than children. Might have had something to do with working with children for the last year.
You should probably sleep, if you feel deprived.
I actually wanted to be a teacher, but decided robots are cooler than children. Might have had something to do with working with children for the last year.
You should probably sleep, if you feel deprived.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Engineering is cool. But the movies are even cooler. You should become an actor.
Yeah, I'll be going now, for the umpteenth time.
Yeah, I'll be going now, for the umpteenth time.
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] Then you're in the minority, and when you're in the minority about the meaning of a word you're almost certainly wrong.
His argument seems silly to me. And honestly I do agree with what'shisface calling him pretentious. He lists the artistic qualities of games, which pretty much makes them art by definition, then dismisses their status due to either his ineptitude or a bizarre dislike of being involved.
Art forms where people are involved have existed before, for the record. Pantomime being an example.
His argument seems silly to me. And honestly I do agree with what'shisface calling him pretentious. He lists the artistic qualities of games, which pretty much makes them art by definition, then dismisses their status due to either his ineptitude or a bizarre dislike of being involved.
Art forms where people are involved have existed before, for the record. Pantomime being an example.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand...
How am I in the minority? What about my definition isn't universally accepted?
How am I in the minority? What about my definition isn't universally accepted?
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Aha... Interesting. It's strange because I take the Kantian view on what "aesthetic" means, which is "whatever is capable of making one feel disinterested emotions".
Now, you might say "HA! I totally told you, bitch fagot! FEEL! FEEEEEEEEL! It's still subjective! I win! I totally win!"
But I'd have to intervene and note that it is very strange indeed that almost every human being on Earth likes two things aesthetically above all; music and storytelling. These seem to be the universal arts.
I wish I could find that study... It basically said that among all the civilizations (as microscopic as humanly possible, even) on our Earthly plane, not ONE is an exception to the following rule: music and linguistic performance (mostly storytelling) predominate in cultural affairs. Some civilizations don't have art or gay ass **** like pottery, but they ALWAYS have music and storytelling.
I deduced with the help of my sheer genius that these were thus the universal artforms. Interesting, is it not?
Seems to me that certain causal links have yet to be made clear...
Bitch.
Now, you might say "HA! I totally told you, bitch fagot! FEEL! FEEEEEEEEL! It's still subjective! I win! I totally win!"
But I'd have to intervene and note that it is very strange indeed that almost every human being on Earth likes two things aesthetically above all; music and storytelling. These seem to be the universal arts.
I wish I could find that study... It basically said that among all the civilizations (as microscopic as humanly possible, even) on our Earthly plane, not ONE is an exception to the following rule: music and linguistic performance (mostly storytelling) predominate in cultural affairs. Some civilizations don't have art or gay ass **** like pottery, but they ALWAYS have music and storytelling.
I deduced with the help of my sheer genius that these were thus the universal artforms. Interesting, is it not?
Seems to me that certain causal links have yet to be made clear...
Bitch.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
I think we are developing a very strange relationship, ninjaroo.
And there is definitely nothing wrong with that.
*wink-wink* *****
Seriously, I love these spoiler eyes.
And there is definitely nothing wrong with that.
*wink-wink* *****
Seriously, I love these spoiler eyes.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
I'm technically a woman, but I understand where you are going.
Actually, I don't.
Do you not like stronk, nordik women?
Actually, I don't.
Do you not like stronk, nordik women?
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Eh. I'm technically German (but I don't speak German because I was miraculously born in the USA), and I'm unfortunately blonde.
So I guess I'm clinically retarded too, according to what I've seen in Legally Blonde 7 Denis Dutton should comment on that masterpiece.
At the least I'm not a soul-less alcoholic ginger.
So I guess I'm clinically retarded too, according to what I've seen in Legally Blonde 7 Denis Dutton should comment on that masterpiece.
At the least I'm not a soul-less alcoholic ginger.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Just pretend I'm a battle scar-ridden pit bull, then. I'm sure that's less scary than the presence of a female counterpart.
Just pretend I'm a battle scar-ridden pit bull, then. I'm sure that's less scary than the presence of a female counterpart.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-] Usually, people tend to turn up dead before they get to properly assess a battle scar-ridden pit bull's genitalia.
I speak from experience, bitch.
mfw
I speak from experience, bitch.
mfw
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] For a moment I forgot you were the dog in this conversation and thought you were saying you were killed by a pitbull.
I am the smarterest.
Also, my Staffy is right next to me, you'll have to go through him first. He's like, a good 15 kg of 12 year old puppy with gray hairs.
I am the smarterest.
Also, my Staffy is right next to me, you'll have to go through him first. He's like, a good 15 kg of 12 year old puppy with gray hairs.
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migueldecervantes (11/25/2015) [-]
Oh, man... That's nice. I'd love to have a dog, but the landlord won't allow it. And Staffy's an amazing name. Not gay at all.
Nah, I'm just kidding.
I'm sure Staffy's not gay, that is... What I meant. Yes.
Anyway, say "hi" to Staffy from yours truly, and go do your ******* engineering homework.
<3 Love ya, brother Ninjaroo.
Nah, I'm just kidding.
I'm sure Staffy's not gay, that is... What I meant. Yes.
Anyway, say "hi" to Staffy from yours truly, and go do your ******* engineering homework.
<3 Love ya, brother Ninjaroo.
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ninjaroo ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-] lmgtfy.com/?q=Staffordshire+Bull+Terrier
His name is Chuck, doofus.
I have been doing my engineering homework. Not at 100% effectiveness, but I have been.
Love you too, brother random ladyman. This is how babies are made.
His name is Chuck, doofus.
I have been doing my engineering homework. Not at 100% effectiveness, but I have been.
Love you too, brother random ladyman. This is how babies are made.
That's a cute dog.
Seeing the "lifespan 12-14 years" made me kind of sad. He's twelve?
Babies are indeed made through incestuous interactions with shemales. They're not the most optimal babies, but still... I get you.
Seeing the "lifespan 12-14 years" made me kind of sad. He's twelve?
Babies are indeed made through incestuous interactions with shemales. They're not the most optimal babies, but still... I get you.
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ninjaroo ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-] Hey EdwardNigma, what did you post in response to the sticky on Glycogen? The dudes being an outrageous, obnoxious cunt and deleting everything and blocking people.
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mrvoodoo (05/19/2014) [-]
Uhm...
Apparently we exceeded replies so... : "Complete immunity from sickness and maladies, this includes poion even from animals. Does not include accidents or physical damage"
Nowhere does it say that scares and malnurishment are included, also, a heart attack would tecnically be considered physical damage since it's when the heart goes out of wack and timing is physically based, therefore it's physical damage and is included.
I'm still not sure why it won't let me continue replying.
Apparently we exceeded replies so... : "Complete immunity from sickness and maladies, this includes poion even from animals. Does not include accidents or physical damage"
Nowhere does it say that scares and malnurishment are included, also, a heart attack would tecnically be considered physical damage since it's when the heart goes out of wack and timing is physically based, therefore it's physical damage and is included.
I'm still not sure why it won't let me continue replying.
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mrvoodoo (05/19/2014) [-]
Sickness and maladies.
Careful with paraphrasing.
www.thefreedictionary.com/sickness
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sickness
Personally I would agree more with the first definition from Merriam Webster.
Careful with paraphrasing.
www.thefreedictionary.com/sickness
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sickness
Personally I would agree more with the first definition from Merriam Webster.
