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#32 - Say buddy, you seem to have a huge angry pulsing whitehead the… 03/20/2014 on acne 0
#9 - And now we have atheism being the only religion taught in publ…  [+] (17 new replies) 03/17/2014 on ilerminaty -29
User avatar #45 - fargfour (03/18/2014) [-]
>MTV

MTV hasn't been remotely relevant in years.
#44 - fareastbrainseer (03/18/2014) [-]
Let him go. He's like level -240something.
#41 - Soundtrack (03/18/2014) [-]
#31 - datyoungass (03/18/2014) [-]
User avatar #23 - hebs (03/18/2014) [-]
um no
first thing atheism is a religion and as a atheist i know atheist strong stand against any form of blind faith. religion uses blind faith witch is way many atheist don't care for religion
second it is not being tough in schools. they teach science witch may go against some religions but too fucking bad science has evidence religion does not and with freedom of religion the government cant teach religion in school. witch also means the schools can't say any religion is wrong. they simply leave religion out and the parent can if they choose too take there kid to a Sunday school or a private school.
3rd if you don't like gay marriage then don't marry the same sex. but you have no right to say that someone else can't marry the person they love because you don't like it.
4th women and men should be treated equal. scene in every way that counts we are and there was even a new study done with SCIENCE sowing the female and male brain are identical
5th i don't even see your point with home land security
6th there does need to be some regulations on guns (no one should have a mini-gun) but i would probably agree with you on not banning them.
7th you have a good point with mtv. i can't defend them
8th i don't get what is so bad about electronic currency. i am a computer tech and think its a great idea but needs to be secured properly.
#22 - Liesindeed (03/18/2014) [-]
Did you just call atheism a religion?
User avatar #38 - IamSofaKingdom (03/18/2014) [-]
I am not siding with the original comment in any way but the way modern atheists practice their mindset is a lot like a religion. I think Neil Degrass Tyson said it best in an interview when he said he doesn't call himself an atheists because atheists today actively attempt to dismantle beliefs other than their own. They have meetings and events and he doesn't understand why those things happen when you simply don't believe in something. He said, "Do non-skiers get together and talk about how they don't ski?"
User avatar #56 - ninjaroo (03/19/2014) [-]
People having strong opinions about things doesn't make whatever they have in common a religion. A significant amount of people who don't have religion think that religion is fucking retarded so they make that opinion known. That's not atheism being dogmatic, it follows naturally.
User avatar #21 - flemmi (03/18/2014) [-]
Being and Atheist does not mean you are in a religion that is called Atheism.
User avatar #19 - threeeighteen (03/18/2014) [-]
You hit a few targets and dropped the ball a lot too.
#16 - novus (03/18/2014) [-]
fucking electronic currency!
User avatar #25 - ohhh (03/18/2014) [-]
OH GOD...ANYTHING BUT THE ELECTRONIC CURRENCY
#11 - stabbedinthecrotch (03/18/2014) [-]
#27 - allinallout (03/18/2014) [-]
he's right though. an atheist KNOWS god doesn't exist. In my opinion, saying that absolutely for certain, there is no god is billions and billions of times stupider than believing that something stronger than man made the beautiful universe we see before us.

inb4 believing in a higher power and being christian are two different things
User avatar #43 - mcfluffykins (03/18/2014) [-]
Boy, you are a special kind of stupid. Most every single atheist has never said that is 100% evidence of there not being a God. I firmly believe there is no "knowable" God, but I can name thousands of things that, if they happened, would change my mind. To imply that atheists are more close minded than Christians is just blatantly backwards. Ask most Christians, "Name one thing that if it did happen, would make you no longer believe in God." Almost all, not all but most, would say something to the effect of, "Nothing. Nothing can shake my faith in God." Now that is pretty messed up.

Also did you notice how you said it was stupid to say something is absolutely for certain..... ...Right after you said (absolutely for certain) that ALL atheists KNOW God doesn't exist?
User avatar #36 - stabbedinthecrotch (03/18/2014) [-]
re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Atheism is simply the position that there is now theistic power. There is relatively low organization or common position besides the first. No set of beliefs, just disbelief.

The position that you just described is agnostic. You can be any religion and be agnostic.
#35 - anonymous (03/18/2014) [-]
Think of religions as cake. Christianity is Australian layered cake, Islam is chocolate cake, etc. Christians eat Australian layered, Muslims eat chocolate.

Atheism is the lack of cake. There is no cake to eat. They do not want to eat cake.
#8 - What you said, the exact opposite is true  [+] (1 new reply) 03/17/2014 on religion is like a penis 0
User avatar #9 - ananamouse (03/18/2014) [-]
I smell a troll
#6 - Atheism is a faith concerning spiritual reality and creation. …  [+] (3 new replies) 03/14/2014 on religion is like a penis 0
User avatar #7 - ananamouse (03/14/2014) [-]
atheism is a total lack of faith...I know tbbt is just that...a theory...but I think it's a closer idea to the reality of things than some invisible dude in the sky thinking everything into existence
#8 - naturalman (03/17/2014) [-]
What you said, the exact opposite is true
User avatar #9 - ananamouse (03/18/2014) [-]
I smell a troll
#2 - Of course they are, now go apologize with your pants around yo… 03/12/2014 on Dammit People 0
#3 - I am native too, "aliens" are demons in biomechanica…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/12/2014 on Story time 0
User avatar #10 - murraysnoopy (03/12/2014) [-]
"JESUS"

User avatar #5 - FeeFieFoe (03/12/2014) [-]
oh cool, do you like hardees?
#9 - wolftribechief (03/12/2014) [-]
Had to make a new uncensored account,

I dont think I ever had hardees.
#2 - That is the correct way, I love iit 03/10/2014 on Today's Pro-Homo Propaganda... 0
#102 - Not at all true, the opposite. 03/10/2014 on Cussin' n' shit -1
#3 - All this pro-satan crap is just a symptom of being wrong. GOD …  [+] (7 new replies) 03/06/2014 on 2 fucking trees, who... 0
#5 - tomjay (03/07/2014) [-]
Well, I'm not gonna lie, I'm having a little hard time understanding some of the stuff you wrote. If I understood correctly, the your point was that god made the rule about the tree of knowledge essentially just to give Adam and Eve free will through the potency of breaking the rule (and through that, love). That is, on its own, plausible (for example I had a similiar outlook on the story of Abraham and Isaac, reflective though). But, the fact that god delibrately lied to Adam and Eve about the effect of the fruit stands (and that the serpent told the truth). And also what I written later about the cherubim and the way to the tree of life - that is a literal transcription of the scriptures and not something that is left to discussion.

Anywho, you also wrote that Adam and Eve were, until they ate the fruit of tree of life, "perfect" and "knew only good", where did then Eve's "vanity" (how you call it) came from? Where did the impulse to disobey god's law came from? Did it come already from the serpent? Because that would drastically change the interpretation that you give me.

Another thing, satan does not appear in the bible until the book of Job. The idea that the snake was satan is a much older interpretation by the early church, which doesn't have any pretense in the old testament. It isn't even implied that the serpent was evil.

Anyway, basically, the whole problem of this discussion arrives at the problem of teodicea - the explanation of existence of ontological (substantial) evil in the wolrd. How can there be existence of evil when everything was created by omniescient and omnipotent God?

Last thing, I just wanted to say for my cause, that even though you might find that hard believe that now, I am a man of faith, I believe in love and evil the same way you do, or atleast as strongly. I strive to live a good life and attain knowledge as much as I can in it. But no matter how much I am strong in my faith, I still question my beliefs everyday to asure myself as much as I can that I am not on the wrong path. And I am saddened by the fact that you made right away so much of an opposite opinion right away.
#6 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
GOD didn't lie, he said they would die, the day they ate of that fruit their spirits became condemned which is spiritual death, the flesh also obtained had the seed of death from that day which culminated in their physical demise within the prophetic 'day' which is a thousand years. Also HE didn't put the tree there wanting them to break the one rule, HE put it there so they would have one rule they 'could' break so there would be free will, a choice, just one easy choice so they wouldn't be like wind up dolls who could only do as programmed, but they were meant to choose not to break the rule and live on as happy little 'demigods' forever.


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#7 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]

As for the inventor of child rape: the devil, he specializes in telling the half truths, the most potent lies have an element of truth meant to propel people even deeper into deception. The enemy is a pro at lying, he plays chess while humans play candyland. Your idea that GOD 'lied' shows that you have fallen for some of the devils tricks, we all have at some point, but we can wise up and be immune to his lies once we grasp on to anchoring absolutes such as the fact that GOD cannot lie.

She was perfect BUT with a free will, she could become imperfect if she allowed her healthy self esteem turn to vanity, the sin was not in the fruit itself but in her heart. These are spiritual matters.

#8 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
If you read the entire Bible (pray for guidance first) you will begin to understand the language and meanings better It is clear that the snake in the garden was possessed by the devil and that the devil himself is in fact a type of serpentine creature, a dragon.

Here is the real misconception, people think that 'omnipotence' means the power to do whatever can be imagined, that is not true, omnipotence means 'all power' and that means all power that is NOT power that is not. GOD and reality have rules built in which are impossible for anyone, regardless of power, to disobey, they are what allows power and in fact part of GOD. Just because hollywood can present films and people can imagine many false scenarios doesnt mean that those scenarios could ever be allowed to exist.
#9 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
GOD IS omnipotent, He holds all power that is or can be BUT HE must abide the absolute LAWS which are a part of HIM and cannot do otherwise. As for people saying 'why would any perfect omnipotent being create something that could develop a flaw?' Well that is really very simple, creating something which had a choice to be flawed or not is the only way to create something that can love, because true love must be a choice and with no choices then one cannot choose. its all very simple but GOD haters twist it all around to try to justify their defiance of GOD. They are wrong and GOD remains, as ever, right.

As for your faith, if your faith is in something false it is worse than having no faith at all. The truth to invest your soul and trust in is that GOD is wiser than we are and that HE IS perfect, benevolent and NEVER lies or makes mistakes.
#10 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
I am censored by fj for being right when the world is increasingly wrong so i had to log out to reply. For a while the new admin wasn't doing that but I see he likes to suppress truth as well. Oh well, I will just do what I have been doing for years and make another account.
#11 - tomjay (03/08/2014) [-]
I'm not sure if you're gonna see this reply, but I'll post it anyway. You claim a lot of things, but I'm only gonna adress some of the bigger ones.

Anywho, if I understand correctly, you state that the reason for perpetuating ontological evil in the world is that it allows for freedom of humankind. But, the fundamental problem of teodicea persists. If god is omniscient AND omnipotent AND good AND willing to act in our world, how can you explain that some people are condemned by their actions to hell, while others through god's presence ascend to heaven? If he is truly omniscient and omnipotent, he must've decided/known the fate of every human soul ever to live right from the first moment of the creation. He also must've known/decided, who's life is he gonna affect or not. By my account, that only leaves us with percieved sense of freedom, and not actual freedom since the entire existence is purely deterministic.

Anyway, I am well aware that satan is several times described by John as a "snake" or a "dragon", but as I said earlier, the notion that the serpent of Eden truly was Satan didn't come atleast till about 400 AD, if I remember my stuff correctly. I'll admit to not having read the whole bible, I skimmed through some parts of Old testament which I didn't find very interesting, but I still read about 80% of it quite thoroughly. Right now, I'm reading up the Nag Hammadi scriptures, which is, if you're not aware of that, collection of apocryphal gospels which possibly predate most of the parts of New testament. By the way, these are the scriptures gnosticism is based upon and they describe a lot of biblical stories in a completely different way, a way you'd likely call heretical.

Last thing, I am kinda offended by your aggresive stance against me. Especially the way you patronise me, and antagonize me although you have no actual knowledge of me. I have friends of several different religions (my second best bro is a buddhist) and I have had a lot of extensive, enjoyable conversations on the subject of one's personal spirituality with them.

I do not base my belief solely on reading some scriptures or else - I've have had several religious experiences. And although you're probably going to think that it was work of your devil or something like that and I have no way to prove to you it was not, I still know in my heart that it was not the case. I have come to my belief entirely on my own accord - I have not been brought to it by anyone, it was through my experiences, the books I read (I read a lot), the films I've seen that I've found it. I believed in gnosticism even before I knew what it was called. I know I am not a strayed sheep.

So burn me at the stake if you want to, call me a heretic, but I'll turn you the other cheek. I am happy and content in my belief, I will not hurt or try to manipulate people for it's cause. I will discuss it everyday someone asks me, I will reflect upon it everyday I go to sleep. I am strong in my faith but I am not ignorant. I might not follow your ten commandments, because I do not believe in universal morals, but you will find me questining my decisions more often than you ever will. I am not lazy in my belief - I work on it everyday and every so often it bears me fruit.

And I do know of love and evil, and I know it's something which substance you cannot write down and/or tell someone, it can be only lived.
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User avatar #1 - nimba (01/08/2014) [-]
So u r a troll I see, but can you be the best? You have muchu potentiar. You could go far, if you put in enough workaru...
#2 to #1 - naturalman (01/08/2014) [-]
Any 'trolling' I do is purely coincidental and not intentional, however nothing 'trolls' indoctrinated people like the truth.
User avatar #3 to #2 - furiousmarshmellow (02/23/2014) [-]
Oh, so you're just stupid?
#4 to #3 - naturalman (02/23/2014) [-]
No infant, unfortunately your generation has been so indoctrinated with lies and immorality that what very little of reality you have experienced is so distorted that you are literally inverted and you don't know it. I am here to put clues into the little heads, they may not sprout for a few more decades and in some particularly dense soil, they may not sprout at all, but some will and that is better than nothing.

The truth is that you kids and the way you think are part of a millennia long end game and will be the key to causing a level of suffering on earth that it has never known. You aren't just spoiled sheltered blind rude disrespectful little ***** , you are dangerous. The vampire is at the gates and everyone older knows not to let him in, but they aren't around and the vampire has the youngster mesmerized, the youngster is looking at the vampires friendly smile and the candy in his hands. The toddler is approaching the gate, but if the youngster doesn't listen to his bedridden grandfather shouting from the second floor window to stop then vampire will come in and kill the youngster and his whole family and set the house on fire.

You think you are smarter than grampa, you think the vampire is your friend, you are dangerously wrong.
#6 to #5 - naturalman (02/23/2014) [-]
All fun and games until something bad enough happens to make you get real, if you live through it. Actually, as angry as you kids make me, I really do worry about you, you are going to get hurt so bad you can not yet imagine it unless you really wake up fast, and unfortunately you will pull a lot of others into that pain with you.
#7 to #6 - furiousmarshmellow (02/23/2014) [-]
You're so edgy it's sickening.
#8 to #7 - naturalman (02/23/2014) [-]
Not everything is a joke, you will see.
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