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#5 - There is literally nothing wrong with dubs  [+] (33 new replies) 07/17/2016 on basically +28
#78 - obxgamer (07/17/2016) [-]
I agree, I prefer dubs a lot of the time. But after watching it last night... The dub was pretty shit
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#79 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
It was actually pretty good, Saitama's VA is good, and they got Chris Sabat to voice not-Piccolo which made me pretty happy.
#80 - obxgamer (07/17/2016) [-]
I presonally didn't like the VA choice, but thats probably because I preferred the goofy sounding voice. I feel that it fits the show better.
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#81 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I think his voice is a little too gravelly, but it's already starting to grow on me. It's only the first episode, we haven't really gotten to hear him be goofy yet, so it give it some time.
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#45 - kevinipples (07/17/2016) [-]
dubs only seem good if you haven't watched the sub. I feel that hearing a completely different voice just sounds so wrong after hearing a characters original voice, Saitama being a major one.
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#63 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I've watched KLK, OPM, and AoT in both the English and Japanese version in recent memory, it's only the fact that you aren't used to the voices yet. Once you get used to it it's fine Aside from FUCKING BRYCE PAPENBROOK as Eren, I'm still mad about that.
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#40 - admiralen (07/17/2016) [-]
There is something wrong with waiting several months to a year to watch something simply cause you dont like subs
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#64 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Who said I wait? I'll watch subs if the show is good, and then watch the dub once it's out.
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#23 - qonetwothreefive (07/17/2016) [-]
Depends on the dub
Not watching black butlers dub for example is just plain stupid
For others if you watch with dub you just wanna kill yourself because you lose faith in the language
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#24 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
This swings both ways, there a certain shows that you are dumb for watching in the sub, like DBZ, FMA:B, Space Dandy, etc.
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#42 - itsapirateslife (07/17/2016) [-]
what the fuck? are you saying the DBZ dub is GOOD? Now I've seen everything.
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#54 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Sean Schemmel is a much better Goku than the elderly woman that they have voicing him now, same goes for Kyle Hebert and Gohan. At this point, pretty much the whole English cast is better than their Japanese counterparts
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#84 - itsapirateslife (07/18/2016) [-]
I'm talking about the old, real, relevant DBZ. not whatever the fuck they're making today.
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#85 - nathanbiggs (07/18/2016) [-]
Even back then the English cast was better for the most part, especially in comparison to the shitty quality like mic quality, not actual voice acting quality of the original jap recording.
#86 - itsapirateslife (07/18/2016) [-]
Well I disagree. I just can't listen to those overacting, shouty, cringy american voices. Japanese voice actors overact all the time but I'm used to that. Guess you're right that the english ones are better objectively.
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#62 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
Not a chance is Piccolo or Vegeta's English voice actor better than their Japanese one. That goes even more so for Future Trunks. I can understand people preferring a deeper voice for Goku, but remember that Nozawa has been voicing Japanese Goku from the very start of Dragonball. It's not like they suddenly decided to change to a woman, the voice actor was a woman all along.

Also, a bit off topic, the original OST in DBZ does some things a hell of a lot better in some places, since it sees the worth in having silence sometimes, while due to American culture, the English dub has bgm's playing the entire time. Compare on this scene for instance. Embedded is Japanese audio, link is English www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7C0R3DdOfk DragonBall KAI VEGETAs Final Atonement HD
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#67 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
USSJ Vegeta VS Cell Final Flash REMASTERED
Chris Sabat does Vegeta so much more justice than his Jap counterpart. The Jap VA sounds generic and sometimes even lazy in comparison. I don't really care about the fact that Nozawa has been voicing him since the beginning, he's an adult now and needs to sound like it, like every other saiyan that we've ever seen aside from Goku and Gohan.

I like the English version better in that scene, you can just feel how tense it is in the English version. There's also a scene before that were Vegeta hugs Trunks and it just comes across as much more ominous in the English version. Plus, Vegeta actually sounds like he's in pain in the English version, he just sounds like he's yelling in the Jap version.
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#68 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
The reason they kept Nozawa is to portray the childish aspect that Goku never loses. He isn't some mature macho man, he always remains a child at heart. On that note, you do know they changed Goku's personality in the dub, right? Compare these two There's some shitty translations as top comment on the Japanese one, but you can use that for comparison
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUvkfZiN9k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjve9s90DRU

And I'm just going to completely disagree with you about Vegeta sounding generic and lazy. You can feel the character's pride in his every word. Horikawa's voice acting style is one of the most unique ones out there, you can instantly recognise him whenever you hear his voice, so it's definitely not generic. Or was, at least. He's getting pretty old these days and doing a sort of meh job in Super
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#72 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
And Sean is able to do that while keeping a deeper voice more fitting of an adult Saiyan. Why was Nozawa kept for Gohan? They're not trying to portray a more childish aspect so it seems pointless to have her voice Adult Gohan. I honestly don't care that much about the changed aspect of Goku, especially now that Kai is out and they fixed most of that.

To me, Vegeta has this gruff to his voice that just isn't present in the Jap version. It's probably just me growing up around Chris Sabat's Vegeta, but it just doesn't feel right without it.

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#37 - epicalania (07/17/2016) [-]
It's really a subjective thing, there's trade-offs to both options.
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+Original choices for voices If the director has a specific style of voice intended for a character, it won't always get carried over to a translation
+ Original dialogue While more or less anything can be translated between any two languages (with some weird exceptions that are really complex and drag over into metalanguage and paralinguistics, so we'll just say everything can be translated to any language) it's almost impossible to completely translate the original feel. Besides direct meaning, tone; context; paralinguistics and a lot more are more or less impossible to match with a similar amount of dialogue (and changing the amount of dialogue changes these too, so fuck you) and you'll never get them all right, so it's really a case of "close enough" on the scale of each individual bit, and hoping it swings back to the original impact when combined with visuals and non dialogue audio.
- reading can reduce attention to scene although you do get pretty good at paying attention to both, it'll never match just listening and watching
- lose some elements that can only be conveyed via spoken language

dub
just flip the pros and cons to sub



The quality of the voice acting is really something you have to take on a case by case basis, so you gotta judge that one as it goes, I've seen some really really bad voice acting in originals, and I've seen some really bad voice acting in dubs. I've also seen some amazing in either. And it's subjective to an extent as well. The american guy at the start of Joker Game was one of the worst voice actors I've seen production IG use


So I'd say, treat it like games, have your own opinion, debate it as much as you like, find as many objective reasons for your side as you can, but admit that, ultimately, it's too subjective for you to be able to dictate which one others should use.
Personally, I'll try the dub, but usually end up using subs although it is swung by the fact that most I watch don't get dubs anyway
#32 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Space dandy had one of the best dubs out there for anime
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#26 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
Space Dandy I agree with, DBZ is a matter of opinion (Vegeta, Future Trunks Piccolo, and most of the villains' (particularly Cell and Buu) have Japanese voices that are better than their dubbed counterparts. Also the dub has this American thing where there isn't allowed to be silence or a non-battle bgm, e.g. in this video. DragonBall KAI VEGETAs Final Atonement HD

FMA/B I just completely disagree with. It should be noted I don't watch subbed, I watch raw.
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#61 - OtisMcWonderful (07/17/2016) [-]
I might have to grab a subbed version next time I rewatch Brotherhood then. I've never even considered it since the dub is so good.

Of course, I'd rather read the manga though. I can plow through that much faster than slogging through 50+ episodes of an anime.
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#60 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
roy mustang vs envy english dub
I personally think Vegeta and Piccolo are better in the English version, the Japanese version is missing the gruff that Chris Sabat has that just fits the character so well. I also like the Faulconer soundtrack more, but you're right in the fact that they use it a whole hell of a lot.

FMA:B on the other hand, the English voice actors just knocked it out of the park. Especially Colonel Mustangs VA is just head and shoulders better than the Jap version.
#8 - sharknik (07/17/2016) [-]
stop

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#10 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
There's not, especially more recent ones
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#43 - pandienychta (07/17/2016) [-]
I'd rather be able to understand my own language thank you very much.

I don't mind subs but hell I can't enjoy the artwork and animations when my eyes are completely focused on WORDS.
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#47 - xheanort (07/17/2016) [-]
How can you enjoy the artwork with trash in your ears?

Not even joking, there's no power/feelings in the dubs.
#83 - pandienychta (07/17/2016) [-]
If you call the language you can understand Garbage I think you have problems.
#58 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
I think a certain somebody is used to ridiculous over-acting and now can't appreciate voice acting that isn't the vocal equivalent of silent film dramatizations.
#57 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (07/17/2016) [-]
It is okay to be wrong, just make sure you don't argue about it.
#7 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
#4 - It's on Toonami, I'm sure it'll be up on streaming sites as so…  [+] (8 new replies) 07/17/2016 on basically +32
#13 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Are you sure? :./
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#9 - SirVladimir (07/17/2016) [-]
HOLY FUCK GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION
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#75 - johrny (07/17/2016) [-]
Fucking 48 karat gold! Its even more hilarious now
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#16 - heine (07/17/2016) [-]
channel 757 on fios, idk what tv you have. it's on at midnight, go on cartoon network or adult swim or toonami or whatever and make sure you record it. the dub is godly btw, Saitama has the hot guy voice..
#11 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
OH YEAH! Recording now!
#12 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Negative: show nowhere to be found
#15 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Correction: happened one hour ago. So sad. Recorded for next week.
#8 - >having a main Get out  [+] (27 new replies) 07/17/2016 on Reach for the sky -55
#34 - jettom (07/17/2016) [-]
You don't play a lot of competitive, do you?
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#37 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I'm not going to until, at the earliest, the upcoming patch.
#38 - jettom (07/17/2016) [-]
If you play competitive in a team you usually have 3-4 heroes you're good at.
Like in my team I'm the designated Soldier 76/McCree(Pre-nerf and post-patch) and Reaper player.
Besides that I'll play Reinhardt, Mercy and Pharah if I absolutely have to, but it's the first 3 I play the absolute most.
So you do have "mains" if you play in a full team. Because sure I can go play Junkrat at an above-average level but my friend has 20 hours into him and has an average 60% accuracy with him, while I have an average 50% accuracy with hit scans and he has 27%.
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#40 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
This post really has nothing to do with competitive and more to do with playing as a team. Plus, as you said, you have 3-4 characters you're good at, so you don't really have just one main.
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#32 - loopzoop (07/17/2016) [-]
"you're not allowed to play characters you like!!!"
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#36 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
You are, but 99% of people that have mains refuse to switch even when the team has no need for that character.
#50 - Killerwale (07/17/2016) [-]
but then why where you being such an utter cunt on your first comment to mlaii, didn't really seem like he wouldn't switch out, he was just stating his favorite character, like really, learn to project less
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#51 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
My original post was far from being an "utter cunt", but let me add a little detail to what I said earlier. Most people that have attack character mains are awful players that refuse to switch no matter the situation. Also, learn what it means to project.
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#53 - Killerwale (07/17/2016) [-]
no i agree, on you for that, but most doesn't mean all, right? like all he said was "As a Mccree main. This pleases me greatly." like what could you get form that aside that he mains a mccree and seeing this play was pleasing to him, and you told him

">having a main
Get out"

like whats that about, really? I assume you're projecting your negative feeling (i.e attack mains never switch) to this one guy when literally he didn't give any evidence to the fact that he wouldn't switch out, so ya
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#54 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Am I supposed to believe that he is somehow different or unique in comparison to the other people that main attack characters?
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#55 - Killerwale (07/17/2016) [-]
Are you suppose to assume everyone that plays a game to act the same, and play only in a certain manner because you never allow yourself to see otherwise, like I don't know you nor know what to expect but if you're just going to literally put everyone under one roof, then fine, refuse to the the differences within the game, you'll find less and less people to enjoy the good things with, no skin off my back

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#56 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I see the differences, it's just attack characters are dominated by people that don't play the objective and instead just go after kills. I've seen otherwise, I've seen some good Genjis, Hanzos, McCrees, you name it, but these are so few and far between that they're not even really worth bringing up.
#31 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
to be fair, there's nothing wrong with having a main

so long as you're not that one jackass who will only play their favourite in any situation, no matter if the team already has 3 Attack heroes or you keep getting killed.
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#25 - kongdong (07/17/2016) [-]
If somebody prefers to use something because they happen to be more skilled in that department, they are able to do so. so stop being a salty bitchmuffin and let other people enjoy things
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#9 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
Sorry calling my favorite character and most played my main I can play anything but ill leave
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#10 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Well, your main is McCree, so you should leave.
#23 - qill (07/17/2016) [-]
>his main requires good aim and is currently literally just worse S76
>this somehow reflects badly on him

????
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#11 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
Why hate on Mccree he rewards players with good aim
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#12 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
He was broken beyond belief before, got nerfed, and is now getting buffed back to the point where I'm sure he'll be the new meta. He just barely manages to be more worthwhile than a Genji or Hanzo.
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#13 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
Well I started playing when 2 days before the right click nerf because I wanted to play in tourneys so its a nice thing to learn But he got nerfed but when he did he was alot of fun and I was the only Mccree around felt a bit unqiue plus I actually left click unlike some of the flashbang right click only players. I FELT PROUD even tho I shouldn't of
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#14 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
All my practice will be even worth while because of the buff so thats nice
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#15 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
He's going to be so broken once the update comes out. A damage buff Mercy + McCree is going to one shot any squishy character with a body shot, and one shot most of the rest of the roster with a headshot. I don't know what Blizzard is thinking with this upcoming patch.
#26 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
If you actually fucking read any of the logs, you'd know they're removing that buff to Mercy.
Do a little research before being a cunt to someone for no reason.
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#16 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
They talked about reducing the mercy damage buff but we will have to see. But my friends wont hate my pic in comp because its only good when against pharas atm but even then the pocket medic can make it so hard.
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#17 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
They really should, 30% is already good enough. McCree will do 150+ damage on bodyshot with her, which will kill all squishy characters in one shot, and does 300+ damage with a headshot, which will kill pretty much the rest of the roster aside from tanks in one shot. It's going to be annoying as fuck, and that's just McCree, I haven't tried to do the math with other characters.
#27 - antikonoszero (07/17/2016) [-]
Do your math again. Left click does 70 damage, 140 on a headshot. Multiply by 1.5 and you will not reach the damage you're so worried about. (105 and 210).
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#18 - mlaii (07/17/2016) [-]
Well we can't change it only hope plus from my experiences take that as you will most mccree's miss easy shots without flashbang plus orgnized team comps run reinhardt alot so IN MY MIND It wont be to bad but have to see for my own eyes
#1 - Dub premiering tonight, can't wait.  [+] (64 new replies) 07/17/2016 on basically +104
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#71 - thebballin (07/17/2016) [-]
Dude where?! They were coming out with an english dub?
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#73 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
One Punch Man English Dub Trailer Toonami
Premiered last night on Toonami
#50 - xnotcreative (07/17/2016) [-]
I prefer subtitles in everything I watch because I developed a terrible habit of looking for text on the bottom of an image/video from all the years I've spent here.
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#39 - regularorange (07/17/2016) [-]
Whats the big deal with dubs anyway, I had to watch subbed english shows since I was a child, so I guess im used to it
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#49 - broswagonist (07/17/2016) [-]
It's just preference. Some people prefer to listen to english voices and aren't used to watching subs so get distracted reading them.
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#59 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (07/17/2016) [-]
*simpleton
#3 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Where can I find it? I have no clue about these things but I loved watching the sub.
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#4 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
It's on Toonami, I'm sure it'll be up on streaming sites as soon as it's over
#13 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Are you sure? :./
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#9 - SirVladimir (07/17/2016) [-]
HOLY FUCK GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION
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#75 - johrny (07/17/2016) [-]
Fucking 48 karat gold! Its even more hilarious now
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#16 - heine (07/17/2016) [-]
channel 757 on fios, idk what tv you have. it's on at midnight, go on cartoon network or adult swim or toonami or whatever and make sure you record it. the dub is godly btw, Saitama has the hot guy voice..
#11 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
OH YEAH! Recording now!
#12 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Negative: show nowhere to be found
#15 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Correction: happened one hour ago. So sad. Recorded for next week.
#2 - Darianvincent (07/17/2016) [-]
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#14 - diemaske (07/17/2016) [-]
You know, while dubs are bad most of the time, this dub ISN'T EVEN FUCKING OUT YET YOU WEEABOO CUNT. Most of the people that watch anime don't go out of their way and learn japanese just so they can watch weird foreign cartoons. It's also annoying to read subtitles all the time, because you can miss important things people say if you just look away for a single second. You can also get more enjoyment out of the voice acting when you actually understand what they are saying and when the emotion is actually transfered via intonation etc. because you are actually fucking used to the way the language sounds.
#21 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Everyone can pick up the emotion of what the VAs are saying regardless if they are speaking your own language. If you disagree with that you are just being disingenuous or are autismo. The only real tradeoff for sub/dub is you are trading having to read while you watch for a lower quality VA.
#22 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Or, you know, we prefer listening to dialog in our native tongue, you fucking retard. Also, unless the dub is legitimately bad, "lower quality" is a crock of shit. You think subs are higher quality because you can't actually understand anything other than the emotions conveyed by the VAs, whereas with dubs you can judge a VA's performance much better since you understand what they're saying as well as the tone with which they're saying it. These days, with the rise in popularity of both anime and video games, American and Japanese VAs are about equal in quality. However, since you're either a weaboo or someone who doesn't watch 21st century anime, you refuse to understand this.
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#27 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
Unless the voice actors for the original are shit, then no matter what language conversion happens, a dub is almost always worse than the original. This works English-> Japanese and Japanese -> English. As someone fluent in both languages, I know what I'm talking about. I haven't watched it except for 1 or 2 scenes on youtube, but one example I can think of is how the Japanese dub for RWBY seems to have an unlimited budget. They have A-list voice actors out the ass for that, while the English voice actors (at least for the parts I've seen) didn't seem to be very good.
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#56 - OtisMcWonderful (07/17/2016) [-]
This. There's also the fact that subs release much, much earlier than dubs. I'd prefer to just watch the show when everyone else is instead of waiting for a dub of potentially dubious quality and possibly having key plot points spoiled.
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#34 - epicalania (07/17/2016) [-]
Did you just try to prove that sub is better than dub by saying that the japanese audio of RWBY is better than the engliish audio?
You're either shitty bait or the king of retards
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#35 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
It's an example of an exception to the 99% rule that original language is the better version, not an example of the rule.
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#36 - epicalania (07/17/2016) [-]
Well you used it reeeeaaally confusingly.
And as far as I knew, the "japanese dub" of RWBY was only 1 episode use because idiots thought it the roosterteeth version was a dub from an original japanese source and were demanding it, because they're idiots. So they splurged and went all out getting the best voice acting they can to trick them. So it's not really an exception to your 99% rule unless they've now done then whole series, which I don't think so except maybe some of the shitty fan dubs, which are mostly in other european languages and esperanto for some reason
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#25 - unikornking (07/17/2016) [-]
Funimation dubs are dog shit lately, TFS does better VA than 80% of dubs I've seen
#17 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure the OPM dub aired one hour ago. I just missed it.
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#19 - diemaske (07/17/2016) [-]
And It sure got uploaded and watched by everyone that doesn't live in the US or doesn't even own a fucking TV. You know the world doesn't end at the mexican and canadian borders and at the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans. Why do all americans always assume they are dealing with other americans online?
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#20 - Darianvincent (07/17/2016) [-]
:^) You're like the epitome of salt right now you dubloving europoor.
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#5 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
There is literally nothing wrong with dubs
#78 - obxgamer (07/17/2016) [-]
I agree, I prefer dubs a lot of the time. But after watching it last night... The dub was pretty shit
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#79 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
It was actually pretty good, Saitama's VA is good, and they got Chris Sabat to voice not-Piccolo which made me pretty happy.
#80 - obxgamer (07/17/2016) [-]
I presonally didn't like the VA choice, but thats probably because I preferred the goofy sounding voice. I feel that it fits the show better.
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#81 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I think his voice is a little too gravelly, but it's already starting to grow on me. It's only the first episode, we haven't really gotten to hear him be goofy yet, so it give it some time.
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#45 - kevinipples (07/17/2016) [-]
dubs only seem good if you haven't watched the sub. I feel that hearing a completely different voice just sounds so wrong after hearing a characters original voice, Saitama being a major one.
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#63 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
I've watched KLK, OPM, and AoT in both the English and Japanese version in recent memory, it's only the fact that you aren't used to the voices yet. Once you get used to it it's fine Aside from FUCKING BRYCE PAPENBROOK as Eren, I'm still mad about that.
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#40 - admiralen (07/17/2016) [-]
There is something wrong with waiting several months to a year to watch something simply cause you dont like subs
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#64 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Who said I wait? I'll watch subs if the show is good, and then watch the dub once it's out.
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#23 - qonetwothreefive (07/17/2016) [-]
Depends on the dub
Not watching black butlers dub for example is just plain stupid
For others if you watch with dub you just wanna kill yourself because you lose faith in the language
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#24 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
This swings both ways, there a certain shows that you are dumb for watching in the sub, like DBZ, FMA:B, Space Dandy, etc.
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#42 - itsapirateslife (07/17/2016) [-]
what the fuck? are you saying the DBZ dub is GOOD? Now I've seen everything.
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#54 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
Sean Schemmel is a much better Goku than the elderly woman that they have voicing him now, same goes for Kyle Hebert and Gohan. At this point, pretty much the whole English cast is better than their Japanese counterparts
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#84 - itsapirateslife (07/18/2016) [-]
I'm talking about the old, real, relevant DBZ. not whatever the fuck they're making today.
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#85 - nathanbiggs (07/18/2016) [-]
Even back then the English cast was better for the most part, especially in comparison to the shitty quality like mic quality, not actual voice acting quality of the original jap recording.
#86 - itsapirateslife (07/18/2016) [-]
Well I disagree. I just can't listen to those overacting, shouty, cringy american voices. Japanese voice actors overact all the time but I'm used to that. Guess you're right that the english ones are better objectively.
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#62 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
Not a chance is Piccolo or Vegeta's English voice actor better than their Japanese one. That goes even more so for Future Trunks. I can understand people preferring a deeper voice for Goku, but remember that Nozawa has been voicing Japanese Goku from the very start of Dragonball. It's not like they suddenly decided to change to a woman, the voice actor was a woman all along.

Also, a bit off topic, the original OST in DBZ does some things a hell of a lot better in some places, since it sees the worth in having silence sometimes, while due to American culture, the English dub has bgm's playing the entire time. Compare on this scene for instance. Embedded is Japanese audio, link is English www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7C0R3DdOfk DragonBall KAI VEGETAs Final Atonement HD
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#67 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
USSJ Vegeta VS Cell Final Flash REMASTERED
Chris Sabat does Vegeta so much more justice than his Jap counterpart. The Jap VA sounds generic and sometimes even lazy in comparison. I don't really care about the fact that Nozawa has been voicing him since the beginning, he's an adult now and needs to sound like it, like every other saiyan that we've ever seen aside from Goku and Gohan.

I like the English version better in that scene, you can just feel how tense it is in the English version. There's also a scene before that were Vegeta hugs Trunks and it just comes across as much more ominous in the English version. Plus, Vegeta actually sounds like he's in pain in the English version, he just sounds like he's yelling in the Jap version.
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#68 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
The reason they kept Nozawa is to portray the childish aspect that Goku never loses. He isn't some mature macho man, he always remains a child at heart. On that note, you do know they changed Goku's personality in the dub, right? Compare these two There's some shitty translations as top comment on the Japanese one, but you can use that for comparison
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPUvkfZiN9k
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjve9s90DRU

And I'm just going to completely disagree with you about Vegeta sounding generic and lazy. You can feel the character's pride in his every word. Horikawa's voice acting style is one of the most unique ones out there, you can instantly recognise him whenever you hear his voice, so it's definitely not generic. Or was, at least. He's getting pretty old these days and doing a sort of meh job in Super
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#72 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
And Sean is able to do that while keeping a deeper voice more fitting of an adult Saiyan. Why was Nozawa kept for Gohan? They're not trying to portray a more childish aspect so it seems pointless to have her voice Adult Gohan. I honestly don't care that much about the changed aspect of Goku, especially now that Kai is out and they fixed most of that.

To me, Vegeta has this gruff to his voice that just isn't present in the Jap version. It's probably just me growing up around Chris Sabat's Vegeta, but it just doesn't feel right without it.

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#37 - epicalania (07/17/2016) [-]
It's really a subjective thing, there's trade-offs to both options.
Sub
+Original choices for voices If the director has a specific style of voice intended for a character, it won't always get carried over to a translation
+ Original dialogue While more or less anything can be translated between any two languages (with some weird exceptions that are really complex and drag over into metalanguage and paralinguistics, so we'll just say everything can be translated to any language) it's almost impossible to completely translate the original feel. Besides direct meaning, tone; context; paralinguistics and a lot more are more or less impossible to match with a similar amount of dialogue (and changing the amount of dialogue changes these too, so fuck you) and you'll never get them all right, so it's really a case of "close enough" on the scale of each individual bit, and hoping it swings back to the original impact when combined with visuals and non dialogue audio.
- reading can reduce attention to scene although you do get pretty good at paying attention to both, it'll never match just listening and watching
- lose some elements that can only be conveyed via spoken language

dub
just flip the pros and cons to sub



The quality of the voice acting is really something you have to take on a case by case basis, so you gotta judge that one as it goes, I've seen some really really bad voice acting in originals, and I've seen some really bad voice acting in dubs. I've also seen some amazing in either. And it's subjective to an extent as well. The american guy at the start of Joker Game was one of the worst voice actors I've seen production IG use


So I'd say, treat it like games, have your own opinion, debate it as much as you like, find as many objective reasons for your side as you can, but admit that, ultimately, it's too subjective for you to be able to dictate which one others should use.
Personally, I'll try the dub, but usually end up using subs although it is swung by the fact that most I watch don't get dubs anyway
#32 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
Space dandy had one of the best dubs out there for anime
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#26 - emiyashirou (07/17/2016) [-]
Space Dandy I agree with, DBZ is a matter of opinion (Vegeta, Future Trunks Piccolo, and most of the villains' (particularly Cell and Buu) have Japanese voices that are better than their dubbed counterparts. Also the dub has this American thing where there isn't allowed to be silence or a non-battle bgm, e.g. in this video. DragonBall KAI VEGETAs Final Atonement HD

FMA/B I just completely disagree with. It should be noted I don't watch subbed, I watch raw.
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#61 - OtisMcWonderful (07/17/2016) [-]
I might have to grab a subbed version next time I rewatch Brotherhood then. I've never even considered it since the dub is so good.

Of course, I'd rather read the manga though. I can plow through that much faster than slogging through 50+ episodes of an anime.
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#60 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
roy mustang vs envy english dub
I personally think Vegeta and Piccolo are better in the English version, the Japanese version is missing the gruff that Chris Sabat has that just fits the character so well. I also like the Faulconer soundtrack more, but you're right in the fact that they use it a whole hell of a lot.

FMA:B on the other hand, the English voice actors just knocked it out of the park. Especially Colonel Mustangs VA is just head and shoulders better than the Jap version.
#8 - sharknik (07/17/2016) [-]
stop

[bold]STOP[bold]
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#10 - nathanbiggs (07/17/2016) [-]
There's not, especially more recent ones
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#43 - pandienychta (07/17/2016) [-]
I'd rather be able to understand my own language thank you very much.

I don't mind subs but hell I can't enjoy the artwork and animations when my eyes are completely focused on WORDS.
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#47 - xheanort (07/17/2016) [-]
How can you enjoy the artwork with trash in your ears?

Not even joking, there's no power/feelings in the dubs.
#83 - pandienychta (07/17/2016) [-]
If you call the language you can understand Garbage I think you have problems.
#58 - anon (07/17/2016) [-]
I think a certain somebody is used to ridiculous over-acting and now can't appreciate voice acting that isn't the vocal equivalent of silent film dramatizations.
#57 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (07/17/2016) [-]
It is okay to be wrong, just make sure you don't argue about it.
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#17 - grumpygrandpa (07/17/2016) [-]
Again, you probably don't know what you're doing.
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#12 - profanitizer (07/16/2016) [-]
Why never play them? talking about the genji/hanzo/widowmaker, i know d.va needs buffing right now
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#15 - nathanbiggs (07/16/2016) [-]
99.99% of the userbase that uses those characters are absolute garbage with them and a waste of a slot for your team. They are also usually the type to have 20 hours on that character, are still somehow garbage with them, and refuse to switch when asked. If you're good with them, go ahead, but you're the one of the few.
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#11 - grumpygrandpa (07/16/2016) [-]
D Va ain't weak tho. If you know what you're doing, that is.
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#16 - nathanbiggs (07/16/2016) [-]
She's literally a worse version of every other tank, aside from maybe Winston, who seems even more situational than D.Va somehow.
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#17 - grumpygrandpa (07/17/2016) [-]
Again, you probably don't know what you're doing.
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I like dark souls 3, I really do, but most of the features they took out from DS2 were really nice. All they had to do was get rid of Adaptability and Soul Memory. THAT'S IT! THOSE WERE MY ONLY COMPLAINTS ABOUT DS2! (Well, that and the copy paste bosses weren't all that great, but what ever.)
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#108 - angelious (07/16/2016) [-]
the story and level design wasnt that nice either...and some of the damage was broken for a lot of weapons...also i think the combat itself was a tad taffy. and dodging had been fucked up. and the ai had some idiotic design choices.
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#11 - cptsweatpants (07/14/2016) [-]
>>#10, not on any kind of competitive level. it's not as much about aiming as it is about the multitude of enemy abilities and genji+tracer trying to buttfuck you all the time. And i meant it's hard in the sense that you don't get recognized much.
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