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#106 - Did they explain why Andre is still alive after what seems to …  [+] (10 replies) 09/17/2016 on VERY fast Andre smithing at... +3
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#118 - raamageddon (09/17/2016) [-]
Well he was Undead as it was. It's technically possible that he's lived through all the generations of linking the fire, serving as a blacksmith to keep himself from going Hollow, just as he always did. He's a lot less jovial in the third game as it is, he seems a lot more tired and worn down than he was in the first, where he had plenty of quips and humor. Now, his humor doesn't feel forced from a voice actor perspective, but from the perspective of a character who's still trying to look on the bright side despite knowing full well that the world's gone to complete shit. Creighton somehow survived into Dark Souls 3, and even Gilligan made it to a point. So it's not impossible.

That said, if linking the Fire does cure the curse for a time, then yeah, he would have eventually died. Thing of it is, with the strange nature of Lothric, Unkindled are rising up from their graves. Unkindled are risen with some kind of purpose, and all of them have ties with one Lord of Cinder or another. Siegward is tied to Yhorm, Anri and Horace to Aldrich, Hawkwood to the Abyss Watchers. They were all technically supposed to be the ones to hunt down the Lords of Cinder and return them to their thrones, but obviously none of them were really able to do it on their own.

Even some characters you wouldn't expect. Sirris and Hodrick are tied to Aldrich too. Sirris used to be a Darkmoon Blade, and Hodrick seems like he might have served Sulyvahn, because his armor set implies his order wanted to see the Fire die, which is in line with the Pontiff's motivations. You yourself are tied to the Soul of Cinder. That's why you see those scenes where the Soul of Cinder drags a corpse, it's making would-be linkers of the Fire who failed into Unkindled. It burned you when you tried in your first life, and you're getting a second shot at it now.

In Dark Souls 1, you weren't the first one to rise to the challenge. Many had come before you. In Dark Souls 3, you're not the first one to come along and try, either. Everybody knows damn well why you're there, because they've seen plenty people try to do the same thing, only to bite it in the end. Arguably, Andre was risen from his grave because his skills would prove vital to the success of an Unkindled trying to link the Fire. He's tied to the player character, or to any would-be Firelinkers, as the Fire is trying to ensure it DOES get linked. Alternatively, Aldrich is tied to Lordran through his "devourer of Gods" moniker. Andre could be linked to Aldrich, too, which would be a much simpler explanation.

I could go on, honestly, but there's plenty of possibilities for why he could be alive..
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#147 - syntheticdoll (09/19/2016) [-]
Sooooo I have a question.
I'm not much into DS but i read into the lore of the 3rd game. So... how do you become an Unkindled. I mean the fire just decides that ""nah, man, not in the mood today" or you have to be worthy to link it or something? I would get it if it's the worthy thing, like when you rise up you get anyother chance but I have no other ideas.
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#149 - maxximus (09/21/2016) [-]
I know this is a late reply, but to answer your question, yes, it's based on worth. More so raw power and strength of the soul than any kind of "worthiness" in the sense of something like Mjolnir where you have to be strong and pure of heart and all that jazz. Which is why something like Aldrich was a lord even though he was super dickish and ate people, he was strong, so he was able to link the fire and like Ludleth who is small and frail, but his soul is very, very strong. Your character in Dark Souls 3 was meant for the same thing but their soul was too weak and couldn't link the fire and just smoldered into ash, becoming, "an ashen one" as you're known throughout the game. Hope this helped with the confusion and sorry for the kinda scatterbrained paragraph of text. c:
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#138 - nITE (09/17/2016) [-]
I never thought of it like that. If you kinda step back and look at everything in a different perspective, Dark Souls is like a giant war. Dark Souls 1 takes place in the first refueling the flame and it must have been close to a millennium for it to be your turn to tag in. But once it becomes your turn to tag in, in Dark Souls 3 it look like it's been decades if not a thousand years. Because everything has been in a giant fight. There's dead bodies everywhere, dead demons, dead dragons, dead nomads. And you're going up against 3 people who has linked the flame, 1 person who did link the flame but realize it's gonna be sooner or later, and a prince who let it all happened. So thats 4 times the flame had the be refueled so this ain't 100 years apart, this is what I assume 2000 years apiece. So if Seigmyer is attached to Yhorm, and Anri and Horace is attached to Aldritch. The timeline between them must been far and between, and whose to say this isn't their first time popping up? Like when Ludleth was up to refuel the flame do you think Sirris and Solaire tagged in while Horace was in god knows where?

That explains a lot for a aspect of the game that I love. You're never told nothing straight forward, you have to read the details of a item to know "whose-who?" Because you're a guy who just came back to life. So Andre probably smith the sword that lead to the Abyss Watchers linking the flame.
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#141 - raamageddon (09/17/2016) [-]
Dark Souls is a constant struggle between Fire and Dark, in this sense, yes, it's a war. In the first game, Frampt tells you that he'd been waiting for a thousand years for the Chosen Undead-- And that doesn't say much. A thousand years since Gwyn linked the Fire first? Or a thousand years since the Undead curse appeared?

I'd assume the latter, because if not, then Goddamn the cycles are short. Assuming the Curse appears only after five hundred years, saying half the cycle is fine and the other half is the Curse, would be insanely short. I'd assume two thousand years is the right amount of time for each cycle.

But think about this. Two thousand years since Gwyn linked the fire. Two thousand years is still a blink of the eye on a cosmic scale. And you as the player character compare nothing to Gwyn's Lord Soul before it was consumed, alongside all of his Knights. How long did you burn before someone else had to take their turn?

In Dark Souls 2, you learn that many Kingdoms rose and fell, many cycles took place. You have no idea how long it's been since Dark Souls 1. But let's assume it was even just ten. Twenty thousand years since the first game. Twenty? Forty thousand years. And you, the player character, link the Fire again.

By Dark Souls 3, so much time has passed that it would be impossible to say. But the world is closer to death than ever before. Each time the Flame has been lit, it's needed more. Gwyn took half his army with him. Yhorm's attempt was the oldest of the Lords in Dark Souls 3, and his went wrong because he didn't bring enough Kindling with him. Aldrich had devoured so many people, had so many Souls within him, that he was enough. The Abyss Watchers were an entire Legion. And the player characters have all had so many Souls within them from their fight.

Ludleth stepped in as a Lord because Lothric left the world in Darkness. But even he was weak, and it caused almost a vacuum effect-- He relit the Fire, but it wasn't sated, still teetering on the edge of Dark, so as it began to die more, it needed more than ever before. So it brought back the Lords of Cinder, so that they could sacrifice themselves again. But Yhorm's attempt went wrong. Aldrich never wanted to. Lothric never wanted to. And the Abyss Watchers' entire reason for doing so was to stop the Abyss, and it didn't work. They were all betrayed to some degree.

The Unkindled present are definitely there for the first time, because they all die a true death when their mission is completed.

It's questionable if Humanity even exists anymore. Any land referenced is referenced as in ruins, or is known to have already fallen. Everyone might be Undead or Unkindled, nobody can say for certain. The Demons only died out recently, but the war in Lothric started because the Prince refused the Fire, and those who believed in it started a war with those who didn't, a difference of ideals. The Dragons have long since been dead, but the Wyverns are dying out too.

Life is conflict. When the Dragons were around, before life, there was a peace in the apathy. Life brought conflict. Life is war, is struggle.

It's a dying world coming ever closer to death. Even if you link the Fire in DkS3, it's not enough. The flame is so small it barely consumes you. Like a candle with no wick, there's nothing left to light. The Age of Dark has always been inevitable, but now it's here, like it or not.
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#110 - caesarslegion (09/17/2016) [-]
Time is convoluted and not as we perceive it here on 'Earth'.

Solaire was from an entirely different time and we still saw him because the timelines mixed together
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#133 - nITE (09/17/2016) [-]
I completely forgot about that. You must wonder what lives they had beforehand? I know that some bosses are "there" and some are just manifestations produced by their souls.
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#107 - oodlesandoodles (09/17/2016) [-]
i don't think it's the same Andre, just a distant relative
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#119 - raamageddon (09/17/2016) [-]
It's definitely the same guy. They made a point of distinguishing Siegward from Siegmeyer despite them acting almost the exact same from the get-go, which made a lot of people think they were the same character for a while. But he's just an homage to Siegmeyer. If Andre was just an homage as well, they'd have at least given him a different voice, changed up his model very slightly.

But that's just nitpicking about technicalities from a design standpoint. In-game lore-wise, here's some better proof: Bring him the Giant's Coal and Profaned Coal. He'll reminisce about Anor Londo's Giant Blacksmith, saying he misses him, but didn't know he was dead until you brought this to him. This is the same one from Dark Souls 1, as was Andre. They wouldn't have just made it incidental that Andre's descendant, also named Andre, knew the Giant as well. Coincidences don't really exist in Dark Souls, and they wouldn't be that lazy. They'd have said something like there were legends about the Blacksmith in Anor Londo making weapons for the Gods, like Andre said in Dark Souls 1 of the Divine ember, or the way other Blacksmiths hint at the location of embers.

For the Profaned Coal, he references the Abyss specifically. While the Abyss has survived into the current cycle, it's also clear that it's come and gone. In Dark Souls 2 it was implied to just be fragments of the original Abyss, which now were dormant but still powerful in an Eldritch "dead Gods still dream" effect. Not everyone would be as familiar with it as they once were. But Andre would have some familiarity with it due to Dark Souls 1. New Londo wasn't exactly terribly far from Andre. He's seen what it's capable of, he knows what the Dark can do. And it scares him. He doesn't really want to work with the Coal, but since he's there to help you, he decides to oblige you.

Like I said, coincidences don't happen in Dark Souls.
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#139 - oodlesandoodles (09/17/2016) [-]
This game is so fucking confusing, I almost hate that I love it
#72 - On a different matter. Am I the only one who has wast…  [+] (2 replies) 09/17/2016 on shoot +1
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#97 - altari (09/17/2016) [-]
I just started replaying BB after a metric fuckload of ds3, and I'm not to happy to admit I used all of the 4(?) vials you get right away because I was trying to two hand my hunters axe.
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#98 - nITE (09/18/2016) [-]
I one time used all 20 of my vials during a boss fight because I was in the mindset of Dark Souls 3 where I saw a opening and wanted the extra damage. It wasn't in one time, it was in different parts of the battle.
#37 - Paper Mario 64 & The Thousand Year Door is one of the best…  [+] (3 replies) 09/17/2016 on This really realistic lemon... +9
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#40 - drackmore (09/17/2016) [-]
I could be wrong but the baby yoshi's color was dependent on the save location on the main screen not how long you wait.
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#43 - nameintime (09/17/2016) [-]
There are lots of rumors about it (location, naming your save "red" or "green"), but they're all false. It is based on the time after the egg first joins your party, to when it hatches.

www.mariowiki.com/Yoshi_ (Paper_Mario:_The_Thousand-Year_Door)#Color
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#48 - nITE (09/17/2016) [-]
Yeah I had a guide book on the game and I always either picked the blue Yoshi or the white one. I always named him Sir Dinovan.
#54 - What **** masculinity they must have if they can't joke around…  [+] (1 reply) 09/17/2016 on This is totally "newsworthy" 0
#68 - anon (09/17/2016) [-]
The same masculinity as Funnyjunk apparently. Happens here with Hillary and similar stuff where strong opinions are held.
#52 - Jesus. Why not just have some fun every now and again…  [+] (3 replies) 09/17/2016 on This is totally "newsworthy" +1
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#53 - huntergriff (09/17/2016) [-]
>implying these people even know how to have fun.

They literally waged war on a goddamn meme.
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#54 - nITE (09/17/2016) [-]
What shit masculinity they must have if they can't joke around but instead demand the head of a person who probably doesn't care about politics to a serious degree.
#68 - anon (09/17/2016) [-]
The same masculinity as Funnyjunk apparently. Happens here with Hillary and similar stuff where strong opinions are held.