Blizzard starting working on Legion during BC

Could you give me a source on that? And just because the lore ties into Legion doesn't mean it'll actually be good... A lot of the BC team is also gone, so this doesn't mean anything tbh.

We'll see whether or not the game dies in Legion.

My prediction is that it'll limp on for some years after legion even, but it'll keep on bleeding until they eventually pull the plug.

And what I'm trying to say is that there are many other factors that result in the decline, and I've stated them already.

They weren't just hyping about it being like the old days, people judge things by face value and they saw an orc on the cover, not a panda, so they immediately jumped in. It could've just been a rash decision and people realized the game just isn't for them anymore.

I'll say it again: The game is old, the genre is old, the players are old, everything is getting old. The game still has a ton going for it, but no matter what, lost players will stay lost because they have other things to do.

Well let's hope that the future brings innovation in the MMO genre then.

We'll see whether or not the game dies in Legion.

My prediction is that it'll limp on for some years after legion even, but it'll keep on bleeding until they eventually pull the plug.

Why does money come before actually making the good game?
I dont understand what you are saying.

Back in the early 2000's until the rise of microtransactions and whatnot, game devs just made games they thought were good, and the quality of the game made it sell and thus they made a profit. Now it's in reverse. Games are made to bring in the money, and maybe you'll also get a game that's actually good, but that's now not the most important thing anymore. Well that's how i see it.

Maybe you have a point and they are milking games but they are also keeping games alive.
I'm surprised to see D3 still gets little patches and expansions here and there for a game from 2012.

Either way they are a company made to make money so yeah they milk their cows.

I don't mind them making a profit, i will gladly buy any of their games if it's good. It's just sad money comes before actually making a good game. It's an industry wide problem btw, just look at Battlefront as one example.

Why does money come before actually making the good game?
I dont understand what you are saying.

Back in the early 2000's until the rise of microtransactions and whatnot, game devs just made games they thought were good, and the quality of the game made it sell and thus they made a profit. Now it's in reverse. Games are made to bring in the money, and maybe you'll also get a game that's actually good, but that's now not the most important thing anymore. Well that's how i see it.

Have you played a Blizzard game recently or are you talking about past misshaps ? (Diablo 3 auction and DRM fails first week and the like)

Yes i played SC2, HS and WoD in the past 1-2 years. Diablo 3 was longer ago.

My original point was that i doubt they'll make WC 4, because i don't see how they can properly milk it. Normal RTS games just aren't profitable enough. SC 2 might have been the exception because of the exposure they get from the fact that it's the nr 1 RTS in E-Sports. They might have made WC 4 it in the past, but i doubt they will now and i believe the reason for this is how their view on games changed.

Maybe you have a point and they are milking games but they are also keeping games alive.
I'm surprised to see D3 still gets little patches and expansions here and there for a game from 2012.

Either way they are a company made to make money so yeah they milk their cows.

I don't mind them making a profit, i will gladly buy any of their games if it's good. It's just sad money comes before actually making a good game. It's an industry wide problem btw, just look at Battlefront as one example.

Why does money come before actually making the good game?
I dont understand what you are saying.

Back in the early 2000's until the rise of microtransactions and whatnot, game devs just made games they thought were good, and the quality of the game made it sell and thus they made a profit. Now it's in reverse. Games are made to bring in the money, and maybe you'll also get a game that's actually good, but that's now not the most important thing anymore. Well that's how i see it.

Maybe you've heard it 1000 times because it's true. The game is better in many aspects, and worse in others. People have gotten tired of the game and quit as a result. It's been more casual with MoP, but it still peaked at 10 million right at WoD launch, so people didn't quite just because it was "easy". Maybe if Blizzard hadn't fucked up with their promises, the 10 million would've stayed. Also, MMOs are simply becoming far less popular than they used to be, so people won't really be looking for them as much as they used to.
And I never said Blizzard is focusing solely on profits, but if there's profit to be had in WoW, it means the game is doing okay. With tripleA titles, it's completely different because people buy it once, play for a few hours then quit, while EA and the likes still got their money. WoW is dependent on subscribers, so if the quality is declining, so will the playerbase, and as a result the profits will decrease. See the pattern here?

Well the playerbase IS declining, so by your reasoning the quality is also declining. This is what i've been trying to say.

It peaked at 10 million again exactly because of the hype Blizz created by saying it would be back like the old days. This in fact proves that millions of people prefer that over the new direction the game went in. Also, Blizzard stated a few months ago that they wouldn't be showing subscriber numbers to the press anymore. I'm pretty sure the game is bleeding players, no reason to do this but to protect stocks from dropping because of declining subscriber numbers.

And what I'm trying to say is that there are many other factors that result in the decline, and I've stated them already.

They weren't just hyping about it being like the old days, people judge things by face value and they saw an orc on the cover, not a panda, so they immediately jumped in. It could've just been a rash decision and people realized the game just isn't for them anymore.

I'll say it again: The game is old, the genre is old, the players are old, everything is getting old. The game still has a ton going for it, but no matter what, lost players will stay lost because they have other things to do.

Well let's hope that the future brings innovation in the MMO genre then.

We'll see whether or not the game dies in Legion.

My prediction is that it'll limp on for some years after legion even, but it'll keep on bleeding until they eventually pull the plug.