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#172 - No, shooting to the head is never necessary.  [+] (1 new reply) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -2
User avatar #173 - gameshredder (11/28/2014) [-]
Charging at a police officer and assaulting him is never necessary either. Michael Brown got what was coming to him.
#162 - Props to you, sir, for seeming to be a fair minded person. 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... 0
#160 - It was excessive. And I don't feel like we can value the life … 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -4
#157 - The officer was scared for his life, but he also kind of signe…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -3
#161 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
I think it's a shame he died, I do, but cops are trained to react with the same amount of force. Lethal force (even unarmed, is still lethal force) would be matched with lethal force (safest lethal force for a cop to use is his gun). I do think it's a shame he died but I also think Mike Brown put himself in that situation and he had to face the consequences. A super shame they were permanent consequences.
User avatar #162 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
Props to you, sir, for seeming to be a fair minded person.
#148 - I don't care for the forensic files. What I care about is that…  [+] (8 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -4
User avatar #224 - bobvonbobby (11/29/2014) [-]
As a tax payer, I'm happy that our cops can shoot nig nogs who pose a threat, or any human that poses a threat.
#156 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to, if the threat is considered to be a danger to their life, shoot at center mass until the threat no longer exists.
No, I don't think he should have killed the kid, but the kid ONLY stopped when the last bullet hit him.
And a person who tries to wrestle for a gun is deemed a lethal threat. Cops aren't trained to "use tasers or pepper spray" instead in the event of a person who has made a point that they will try to take the gun to shoot.
#155 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to use lethal force against lethal force. He believed that Michael Brown was going to kill him or try to (a logical assumption) and do you really, even trained, want to try to do hand to hand combat with a man that big? I don't know man, I'm just saying, the officer was scared for his life and reacted how he thought he needed to.
User avatar #157 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
The officer was scared for his life, but he also kind of signed up for situations like that right? I mean there are many good points for both sides, I will admit. But I just think it's wrong.
#161 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
I think it's a shame he died, I do, but cops are trained to react with the same amount of force. Lethal force (even unarmed, is still lethal force) would be matched with lethal force (safest lethal force for a cop to use is his gun). I do think it's a shame he died but I also think Mike Brown put himself in that situation and he had to face the consequences. A super shame they were permanent consequences.
User avatar #162 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
Props to you, sir, for seeming to be a fair minded person.
User avatar #149 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
7 times you retard. SEVEN. NOT SIX.I already clarified that in the first comment.

The "Kid", Michael Brown, was a 18 year old near 300 pound giant, a taser would most likely have done nothing. Besides, Michael Brown engaged in a confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson in his squad car in an attempt to grab his sidearm. Which lead to a struggle over the sidearm, which caused the first shot to hit Michael Brown, this is proved by Brown's skin sample recovered from the squad car.

Michael Brown then started run, turned and charges Wilson. He feared for his life. IT WAS A CLEAN SHOOT.

The fact that you said "I don't care for the forensic files." shows that you are a complete, utter, putrid fucking moron. I am tired of you fucking people and having to argue with you fucking people. It's NOT wrong. Michael Brown was a thug that could have easily MURDERED an officer. He did the right thing in protecting himself.

User avatar #160 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
It was excessive. And I don't feel like we can value the life of an officer over the life of an 18 year old "thug" who knew nothing more than how he was. He deserved to be punished but not killed.
#145 - But cops aren't TRAINED to shoot to the head. This isn't COD.  [+] (3 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -2
User avatar #272 - captainstinkypinky (11/29/2014) [-]
They are trained to shoot wherever they need to in order to stop the threat against their life.
#152 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Either Mike died or the cop died, that was a fight to the end.
If the cop had lost he would've died, but white people being murdered by black people is okay I guess.
The cop was fighting for his life, most of us would've done the same thing.
User avatar #150 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
No of course not and no one said he was aiming for the head. A total of 12 shots were fired from the cops gun based on casings found (i didn't say the number in the last comment as i had forgotten and looked it up). Meaning he hit half of his shots (not bad in a situation like this) meaning while he was most likely shooting for the center body he was firing wide and after sending some shots to the side he sent some high)
#142 - If he was running, why did the cop have to keep shooting? Poli…  [+] (10 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -4
User avatar #144 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
He was running AT Officer Darren Wilson. He CHARGED him.

Learn to read.
User avatar #148 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
I don't care for the forensic files. What I care about is that a police officer shooting someone six times and killing them . It's wrong. We pay them with our tax money to abuse their power. We have rights as humans as well. If he was far enough away, while still running at the officer, for the cop to shoot a gun, what's wrong with a taser?
User avatar #224 - bobvonbobby (11/29/2014) [-]
As a tax payer, I'm happy that our cops can shoot nig nogs who pose a threat, or any human that poses a threat.
#156 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to, if the threat is considered to be a danger to their life, shoot at center mass until the threat no longer exists.
No, I don't think he should have killed the kid, but the kid ONLY stopped when the last bullet hit him.
And a person who tries to wrestle for a gun is deemed a lethal threat. Cops aren't trained to "use tasers or pepper spray" instead in the event of a person who has made a point that they will try to take the gun to shoot.
#155 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to use lethal force against lethal force. He believed that Michael Brown was going to kill him or try to (a logical assumption) and do you really, even trained, want to try to do hand to hand combat with a man that big? I don't know man, I'm just saying, the officer was scared for his life and reacted how he thought he needed to.
User avatar #157 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
The officer was scared for his life, but he also kind of signed up for situations like that right? I mean there are many good points for both sides, I will admit. But I just think it's wrong.
#161 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
I think it's a shame he died, I do, but cops are trained to react with the same amount of force. Lethal force (even unarmed, is still lethal force) would be matched with lethal force (safest lethal force for a cop to use is his gun). I do think it's a shame he died but I also think Mike Brown put himself in that situation and he had to face the consequences. A super shame they were permanent consequences.
User avatar #162 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
Props to you, sir, for seeming to be a fair minded person.
User avatar #149 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
7 times you retard. SEVEN. NOT SIX.I already clarified that in the first comment.

The "Kid", Michael Brown, was a 18 year old near 300 pound giant, a taser would most likely have done nothing. Besides, Michael Brown engaged in a confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson in his squad car in an attempt to grab his sidearm. Which lead to a struggle over the sidearm, which caused the first shot to hit Michael Brown, this is proved by Brown's skin sample recovered from the squad car.

Michael Brown then started run, turned and charges Wilson. He feared for his life. IT WAS A CLEAN SHOOT.

The fact that you said "I don't care for the forensic files." shows that you are a complete, utter, putrid fucking moron. I am tired of you fucking people and having to argue with you fucking people. It's NOT wrong. Michael Brown was a thug that could have easily MURDERED an officer. He did the right thing in protecting himself.

User avatar #160 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
It was excessive. And I don't feel like we can value the life of an officer over the life of an 18 year old "thug" who knew nothing more than how he was. He deserved to be punished but not killed.
#132 - I'm sorry, but cops are taught not to kill us. They are traine…  [+] (10 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -2
User avatar #136 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
If it has come down to shooting someone then you shoot to incapacitate completely (very good chance the person will die). One shot is not enough two is not enough. In some cases ten is not enough. How many shots are reasonable vary from person to person and the simple rule is you shoot until the person is on the ground. Remember only the last two shots were effective, they were to the head/face, as the others were arm shots and he shot many more times then that.

if you want here is all the evidence in the case including witness interviews.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html
#153 - newall (11/28/2014) [-]
A .40 from a p226 at under 10 feet to the upper torso would stop a gorilla. Bullets don't just pass through people, the outward force from cavitation on a pistol round alone is enough to damage the majority of your internal organs within 1-2 inches of the primary wound track, assuming they aren't hollow-points, in which case the cavitation would be much more substantial.

I understand that there was a struggle (first few shots fired from inside the vehicle at super close range (apparent firearm neglect resulted in failure to fire twice)) but The officer even said he aimed for Brown's head with the last few shots. That's simply unnecessary. By all means, if you must, aim for the chest, GSWs to the upper torso are more than likely to be fatal, but aiming for the head is not required to subdue a target.
User avatar #199 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
1st shot: Palm of right hand, tangential. Close discharge.
2nd shot: Back of right forearm through ulna bone, exits in front.
3rd shot: Right upper arm, near to elbow, tangential, through skin and soft tissues. Direction indeterminate.
4th shot: Front of right upper arm, near to chest, exits back of arm.
5th shot: top of head, right of midline, proceeds downward and to the right, through brain, bullet recovered from soft tissues right side of face.
6th shot: Forehead, right of midline, proceeds downward and to the right, through the eye and facial bones and exits right lower jaw; it re-enters the right upper chest through the clavicle and is recovered from near the posterior rib.
7th shot: Right side of chest, proceeds downward and to the right through soft tissues and fractures the eighth rib from where it was recovered.

Honestly, if the guy didn't fall after the first 5 shots, I don't see how that is excessive.
User avatar #166 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
I really doubt it would stop a gorilla. In fact using any pistol on a gorilla would be very foolish like using one on a bear. But that's not the real argument here.

At some point did it seem like I didn't understand how bullets act in the body? What I'm saying is based from border patrol agents who have very similar training as to cops, not some random ass internet opinions I came up with.

The simple fact is that no, one shot would not be capable of stopping a 300lb man, unless it was a rather lethal shot (heart/head). There is a reason you shoot until a person is down. You have no idea how many it will take to stop them. Yes some people go down with one shot, in fact that's not horrible uncommon, but many people take several or a large amount.
#176 - newall (11/28/2014) [-]
almost any wound, sternum to throat is almost always lethal, instant collapse of lungs would result in immediate incapacitation, proximity to heart and large cluster of major arterial groups, again, would result in an extremely short delay between wound and terminal blood loss.

A .40 wound in the pectoral region would stop a 300lbs man.
And although you may understand how a bullet works, the majority of people have 0 understanding of the damage caused by them, outside of the primary wound channel.

Most of my experience is with rifle wounds but I've seen enough pistol wounds to have some understanding.

I'm not saying the officer shouldn't have used lethal force, (although any gunshot is classified as lethal force, I suppose) But there is no reason to shoot a man in his head.
User avatar #226 - inyourmind (11/29/2014) [-]
I can see where you're going with all of this and it does seem you know more on the subject of the damage caused by a bullet. But I still hold firm to my statement that the number of rounds fired was reasonable as the cop ceased when the victim was down.

As for aiming at the head, while that is both morally questionable and in general not a great idea, i still feel the cop was withing his legal rights to defend himself as he saw fit in the situation against a shown violent man.
User avatar #145 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
But cops aren't TRAINED to shoot to the head. This isn't COD.
User avatar #272 - captainstinkypinky (11/29/2014) [-]
They are trained to shoot wherever they need to in order to stop the threat against their life.
#152 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Either Mike died or the cop died, that was a fight to the end.
If the cop had lost he would've died, but white people being murdered by black people is okay I guess.
The cop was fighting for his life, most of us would've done the same thing.
User avatar #150 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
No of course not and no one said he was aiming for the head. A total of 12 shots were fired from the cops gun based on casings found (i didn't say the number in the last comment as i had forgotten and looked it up). Meaning he hit half of his shots (not bad in a situation like this) meaning while he was most likely shooting for the center body he was firing wide and after sending some shots to the side he sent some high)
#131 - Cops aren't trained to kill us. Cops are trained to protect us… 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -2
#86 - Man, all of you guys are ridiculous. It's not that Michael Bro…  [+] (37 new replies) 11/28/2014 on A reminder of who Mike... -1
User avatar #264 - captainstinkypinky (11/29/2014) [-]
1. He wasn't issued a taser
2. He was in a car, so if he used the pepper spray, it would've affected him too (and besides that, one hand was busy holding his gun in his holster, the other hand was pushing Michael Brown back. He wasn't able to grab his pepper spray).
3. He wasn't shot because of the crime he committed (i.e. robbing the store), he was shot because he went for the officers gun.

All forensic evidence has proven that Michael Brown attacked the officer, and was an evident threat against the officers life. He officer acted lawfully in self defense for the situation.
User avatar #171 - gameshredder (11/28/2014) [-]
1. Michael Brown was not a kid. He was was a 6 foot tall 300 LBS 18 year old man.
2. Officer Wilson didn't have a taser on him.
3. 2 of the first shots on Michael Brown were in his hand after he was trying to grab for Officer Wilson's gun
4. Officers are trained the eliminate all threats. Michael brown was shot a 2 more times in the body as he was running at the officer. If those aren't going to stop the fucker from charging the cops, then the last two fatal shots in the head are what's needed.
User avatar #172 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
No, shooting to the head is never necessary.
User avatar #173 - gameshredder (11/28/2014) [-]
Charging at a police officer and assaulting him is never necessary either. Michael Brown got what was coming to him.
User avatar #140 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
You guys never actually read the forensic files do you? First off, he was shot 7 times, he kept on running after Officer Darren Wilson after each shot, until the last one brought him down.
User avatar #142 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
If he was running, why did the cop have to keep shooting? Police aren't trained to gun down people.
User avatar #144 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
He was running AT Officer Darren Wilson. He CHARGED him.

Learn to read.
User avatar #148 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
I don't care for the forensic files. What I care about is that a police officer shooting someone six times and killing them . It's wrong. We pay them with our tax money to abuse their power. We have rights as humans as well. If he was far enough away, while still running at the officer, for the cop to shoot a gun, what's wrong with a taser?
User avatar #224 - bobvonbobby (11/29/2014) [-]
As a tax payer, I'm happy that our cops can shoot nig nogs who pose a threat, or any human that poses a threat.
#156 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to, if the threat is considered to be a danger to their life, shoot at center mass until the threat no longer exists.
No, I don't think he should have killed the kid, but the kid ONLY stopped when the last bullet hit him.
And a person who tries to wrestle for a gun is deemed a lethal threat. Cops aren't trained to "use tasers or pepper spray" instead in the event of a person who has made a point that they will try to take the gun to shoot.
#155 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops are trained to use lethal force against lethal force. He believed that Michael Brown was going to kill him or try to (a logical assumption) and do you really, even trained, want to try to do hand to hand combat with a man that big? I don't know man, I'm just saying, the officer was scared for his life and reacted how he thought he needed to.
User avatar #157 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
The officer was scared for his life, but he also kind of signed up for situations like that right? I mean there are many good points for both sides, I will admit. But I just think it's wrong.
#161 - theonemica (11/28/2014) [-]
I think it's a shame he died, I do, but cops are trained to react with the same amount of force. Lethal force (even unarmed, is still lethal force) would be matched with lethal force (safest lethal force for a cop to use is his gun). I do think it's a shame he died but I also think Mike Brown put himself in that situation and he had to face the consequences. A super shame they were permanent consequences.
User avatar #162 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
Props to you, sir, for seeming to be a fair minded person.
User avatar #149 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
7 times you retard. SEVEN. NOT SIX.I already clarified that in the first comment.

The "Kid", Michael Brown, was a 18 year old near 300 pound giant, a taser would most likely have done nothing. Besides, Michael Brown engaged in a confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson in his squad car in an attempt to grab his sidearm. Which lead to a struggle over the sidearm, which caused the first shot to hit Michael Brown, this is proved by Brown's skin sample recovered from the squad car.

Michael Brown then started run, turned and charges Wilson. He feared for his life. IT WAS A CLEAN SHOOT.

The fact that you said "I don't care for the forensic files." shows that you are a complete, utter, putrid fucking moron. I am tired of you fucking people and having to argue with you fucking people. It's NOT wrong. Michael Brown was a thug that could have easily MURDERED an officer. He did the right thing in protecting himself.

User avatar #160 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
It was excessive. And I don't feel like we can value the life of an officer over the life of an 18 year old "thug" who knew nothing more than how he was. He deserved to be punished but not killed.
#123 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Except that he tried to take the cop's gun.
Stop pretending like he's a victim here.
He was a fucking ape.
User avatar #125 - seelcudoom (11/28/2014) [-]
oh ya call black people apes you defiantly dont sound like a biased racist asshole
User avatar #267 - captainstinkypinky (11/29/2014) [-]
He didn't call black people in general apes. He called Mike Brown an ape. Learn to read before you call people biased racist assholes.

Also, it's "definitely", not "defiantly"
User avatar #118 - leonhardt (11/28/2014) [-]
Nah, you try to take a cop's gun you're gonna get fucking shot.
All it takes is for you to not be a complete pants shitting fucktard.

All the black dipshits that were shot were shot because they were dipshits.
A cop comes up to you to ask you some questions, you don't fucking start sprinting away.
A cop tells you to stop, you don't turn around and attack the guy that is trained to kill your ass if you are deemed a threat.
User avatar #131 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
Cops aren't trained to kill us. Cops are trained to protect us, which they do a bad job of because they're given more power than they should have.
#129 - ishotthedeputy (11/28/2014) [-]
Ok, but did he deserve to die because of that, or did he deserve to be incapacitated? It's what should've been done first is what he's talking about.
User avatar #113 - thegrimgenius (11/28/2014) [-]
He didn't carry a tazer, and he was in his car. Not reaching for his gun would've let Brown grab his gun.
User avatar #103 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
Whole thing stated as a fist fight at the car door. Neither pepper spray nor a taser would have been effective (would have gotten both of them). And after the fight and first point blank shot I really doubt anyone would have thought of putting away there gun and pulling a taser.
User avatar #132 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, but cops are taught not to kill us. They are trained to stop us. Ok, so if he fires the shot and it's effective, why did he shoot six more times? That's not excessive?
User avatar #136 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
If it has come down to shooting someone then you shoot to incapacitate completely (very good chance the person will die). One shot is not enough two is not enough. In some cases ten is not enough. How many shots are reasonable vary from person to person and the simple rule is you shoot until the person is on the ground. Remember only the last two shots were effective, they were to the head/face, as the others were arm shots and he shot many more times then that.

if you want here is all the evidence in the case including witness interviews.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html
#153 - newall (11/28/2014) [-]
A .40 from a p226 at under 10 feet to the upper torso would stop a gorilla. Bullets don't just pass through people, the outward force from cavitation on a pistol round alone is enough to damage the majority of your internal organs within 1-2 inches of the primary wound track, assuming they aren't hollow-points, in which case the cavitation would be much more substantial.

I understand that there was a struggle (first few shots fired from inside the vehicle at super close range (apparent firearm neglect resulted in failure to fire twice)) but The officer even said he aimed for Brown's head with the last few shots. That's simply unnecessary. By all means, if you must, aim for the chest, GSWs to the upper torso are more than likely to be fatal, but aiming for the head is not required to subdue a target.
User avatar #199 - thatoneiranianguy (11/28/2014) [-]
1st shot: Palm of right hand, tangential. Close discharge.
2nd shot: Back of right forearm through ulna bone, exits in front.
3rd shot: Right upper arm, near to elbow, tangential, through skin and soft tissues. Direction indeterminate.
4th shot: Front of right upper arm, near to chest, exits back of arm.
5th shot: top of head, right of midline, proceeds downward and to the right, through brain, bullet recovered from soft tissues right side of face.
6th shot: Forehead, right of midline, proceeds downward and to the right, through the eye and facial bones and exits right lower jaw; it re-enters the right upper chest through the clavicle and is recovered from near the posterior rib.
7th shot: Right side of chest, proceeds downward and to the right through soft tissues and fractures the eighth rib from where it was recovered.

Honestly, if the guy didn't fall after the first 5 shots, I don't see how that is excessive.
User avatar #166 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
I really doubt it would stop a gorilla. In fact using any pistol on a gorilla would be very foolish like using one on a bear. But that's not the real argument here.

At some point did it seem like I didn't understand how bullets act in the body? What I'm saying is based from border patrol agents who have very similar training as to cops, not some random ass internet opinions I came up with.

The simple fact is that no, one shot would not be capable of stopping a 300lb man, unless it was a rather lethal shot (heart/head). There is a reason you shoot until a person is down. You have no idea how many it will take to stop them. Yes some people go down with one shot, in fact that's not horrible uncommon, but many people take several or a large amount.
#176 - newall (11/28/2014) [-]
almost any wound, sternum to throat is almost always lethal, instant collapse of lungs would result in immediate incapacitation, proximity to heart and large cluster of major arterial groups, again, would result in an extremely short delay between wound and terminal blood loss.

A .40 wound in the pectoral region would stop a 300lbs man.
And although you may understand how a bullet works, the majority of people have 0 understanding of the damage caused by them, outside of the primary wound channel.

Most of my experience is with rifle wounds but I've seen enough pistol wounds to have some understanding.

I'm not saying the officer shouldn't have used lethal force, (although any gunshot is classified as lethal force, I suppose) But there is no reason to shoot a man in his head.
User avatar #226 - inyourmind (11/29/2014) [-]
I can see where you're going with all of this and it does seem you know more on the subject of the damage caused by a bullet. But I still hold firm to my statement that the number of rounds fired was reasonable as the cop ceased when the victim was down.

As for aiming at the head, while that is both morally questionable and in general not a great idea, i still feel the cop was withing his legal rights to defend himself as he saw fit in the situation against a shown violent man.
User avatar #145 - mimisiku (11/28/2014) [-]
But cops aren't TRAINED to shoot to the head. This isn't COD.
User avatar #272 - captainstinkypinky (11/29/2014) [-]
They are trained to shoot wherever they need to in order to stop the threat against their life.
#152 - anonymous (11/28/2014) [-]
Either Mike died or the cop died, that was a fight to the end.
If the cop had lost he would've died, but white people being murdered by black people is okay I guess.
The cop was fighting for his life, most of us would've done the same thing.
User avatar #150 - inyourmind (11/28/2014) [-]
No of course not and no one said he was aiming for the head. A total of 12 shots were fired from the cops gun based on casings found (i didn't say the number in the last comment as i had forgotten and looked it up). Meaning he hit half of his shots (not bad in a situation like this) meaning while he was most likely shooting for the center body he was firing wide and after sending some shots to the side he sent some high)
#101 - vapaus (11/28/2014) [-]
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#98 - ditka (11/28/2014) [-]
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