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#63 - bann (07/06/2014) [-]
The race factor wasn't even relevant in my opinion, it was more the "how is it legal to stalk someone and then shoot them when they retaliate" part that was weird to me. I know it's more complex than that, but for me the ambiguity was in the gun laws, not racial background.
#73 - anonymous (07/06/2014) [-]
lol you have no idea what you are talking about. What zimmerman was doing isnt considered stalking. He was on public property basically the entire way there. Or is it considered stalking if someone is driving behind you on the freeway for 20 minutes. Although, yes it was a bit creepy for him to follow the guy like that. it is not illegal.
#85 - bann (07/06/2014) [-]
He was tailing him, intentionally following his movements with the intent to continue pursuit. That said, I don't really know the details of the case and I can see it's still a bit heated. How long did he follow him? I know it was late at night and they were both on foot through a neighborhood...that's quite different circumstances than 20 mins on a freeway.
#87 - anonymous (07/06/2014) [-]
they were not both on foot lol zimmerman was driving in his car. treyvon ambushed zimmerman when he got out of the car because he lost sight of him.
#97 - twilightdusk (07/06/2014) [-]
That's basically what the courts decided. He shouldn't have been following him in the first place, he shouldn't have gotten out of his car, both of those are doubly so after the 911 dispatcher told him not to pursue Trayvon, but the Court decided that Zimmerman had adequate grounds to have been fearing for his life, making him innocent under the Stand Your Ground law.
#79 - bann (07/06/2014) [-]
Not really, with the amount of tension surrounding the case I figured I'd let it simmer down first. Let me see how my understanding matches up.
>Zimzam see's black kid
>Calls cops cause he thinks he's being suspicious
>Cops say they got this, don't engage
>Zimmer is on the neighborhood watch (which to my understanding, is just supposed to call the cops when they see things happening)
>He follows the kid
>Kid eventually spots him
>Kids gets freaked out, shit starts to go bananas
>Kid nearly kills zimmerman
>Zimmerman shoots and kills him
Now I know that it truly was self defense he killed him in, as he was almost beaten to death...but what I don't get is how he's not in anyway liable. He was stalking someone, neighbor hood watch is no excuse given he'd already called the cops and no one was in any real danger. Is there no charge for instigating the causes which lead up to his death? I don't really consider tailing someone an "innocent bystander"
#86 - anonymous (07/06/2014) [-]
Because the cops have no right to tell zimmerman he can't walk in a public space. If cops ever tell you anything like that, you do not have to obey it on public property, unless there is a law against what you are doing. And zimmerman did not engage the guy ambushed zimmerman. Please before you do any type of talking learn the facts.
#106 - bann (07/06/2014) [-]
Feeling a lot of tension on this case still. I agree that Zimmerman didn't break the law, that much I've gathered. All I was wondering was if he could have been liable for instigating the altercation.
In the area I once lived, following someone in a car at low speeds is "creepin" and it's usually done to scope out a good spot to do a drive by. Zimmerman's actions were far more suspicious than walking down the street at night.
#84 - commontroll (07/06/2014) [-]
Do you know how long cops take to respond? It would have been thirty minutes before they arrived. Personally, I think it's stupid to be suspicious of somebody and think they're up to no good and not keep an eye on them.
Secondly, he saw a "kid" (180 pound 17 year old) in a hoodie in the rain at night. I'd be rather curious why there's a big guy in the rain late at night, especially if you're so paranoid you join the neighborhood watch.
Also, Zimmerman didn't pull out his gun until Martin reached for it and said "You're gonna die bitch."
Could it have been avoided? Yes. Was he stalking him? No, he was keeping watch on a suspicious character.
#89 - bann (07/06/2014) [-]
O when I say kid, I don't mean to imply he was a child, he was a full grown man, fully capable of killing.
Ehhhh, I don't think that he really had any justifiable reason for following him. If he stopped to look at houses for points of entry, maybe. But walking in the rain? It's Florida, it will rain for an hour with little to no warning.
I suppose that he was justified in terms of the law though, you can't imprison someone for poor judgement.