Ashamed of the military and government?
I am more ashamed at the citizens of America.

The citizens are wrong in many regards, not voting, not taking the time to educate themselves, distracting themselves from the real issues with a superficial culture as they turn a blind eye to so goddamn much.

But they aren't the ones pulling the trigger, or issuing the orders. The perpetrators are human beings, making conscience decisions to do wrong, and the American people nine times out of ten didn't tell them to do it. The general would not say "Fuck you, that is an illegal order", the president would not say "Fuck you, the lives of others and the name of America is worth more than that", they all play ball.

I believe you should put yourself in the boots of the soldiers out there.
Sure it is easy to say they are fucking baby killers and what not, but they are in knee high in stress and shit. Guerrilla warfare is a very hard thing to combat, so why take chances?

I don't think the troops are baby killers, if they weren't the troops it might be me overseas. Some share more of a burden than others, but these aren't Nazi's fighting for a toxic ideology. They are people like you or me who were stripped of their individuality and rebuilt into a collective that they don't get to control. They did this not because they want to cause harm (though some may have), they did it because they were told it was the honorable thing to do, and were afflicted by the other lies meant to take advantage of good intentions. We had a military that fought the real evils of the world, but you and I both know that to say that today reeks of naivete and ignorance.

But there is no excuse for those high on the chain of command, the president, and congress. Their overt role in this makes them clearly not fit to govern anything, and that is why I am ashamed.

If I could live in a peaceful place, hell yes I would. But, since the beginning of mankind, evil has always had a presence. And always will.

Perhaps so, but to see you tout that the message in this content is 'bullshit' because there will always be squabble and sorrow is shameful. You just come across as some whiny contrarian who doesn't like the smell of hippies when you throw some flabby argument like that out onto the public square.

I never said I disagree with the Manhattan Project.

Objectively evil?
No such thing. Morality is subjective and so are the concepts of good and evil.

Some morals are subjective, genocide is not. What the japanese did in Nanking was wrong, Mussolini was a fascist who stifled his own people, Hitlers third reich perpetrated the worst systematic genocide in recent history. These are not fictional character assassinations drummed up to rile up the allies, and they are not moral grey areas. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is an incorrect dick, with shoddy morals. The worst the allies had done to my knowledge, were the Russian labor camps and American internment of the Japanese (which was a means of keeping the japanese under surveillance basically, not a hateful death machine). So in spite of the fact that the allies had dirty hands, it was not even close to equivocating with the wrongs of the axis. Just because your morals differ from mine does not mean that we are on equal footing, and that 'its just too subjective to declare one way or the other'. Sure, the Nazi's saw themselves as justified. They weren't stroking their beards and sipping the blood of their slain victims like sociopathic villains, but that does not pardon them from the title of 'evil', that they earned.

Same here. What we need is religious values. Helping other people, respect,.. not churches and other useless shit

What do you think that would accomplish?

An America where the people have less blood on their hands, for one. I personally would love to not be ashamed of my military and government.

A world where just maybe arbitrary military action is not tolerable (I would think thats something we should strive for).

A world where muslims do not get to have another good reason to hate us every other day. Leading to less in the line of terrorism.

Ashamed of the military and government?
I am more ashamed at the citizens of America.

The citizens are wrong in many regards, not voting, not taking the time to educate themselves, distracting themselves from the real issues with a superficial culture as they turn a blind eye to so goddamn much.

But they aren't the ones pulling the trigger, or issuing the orders. The perpetrators are human beings, making conscience decisions to do wrong, and the American people nine times out of ten didn't tell them to do it. The general would not say "Fuck you, that is an illegal order", the president would not say "Fuck you, the lives of others and the name of America is worth more than that", they all play ball.

I believe you should put yourself in the boots of the soldiers out there.
Sure it is easy to say they are fucking baby killers and what not, but they are in knee high in stress and shit. Guerrilla warfare is a very hard thing to combat, so why take chances?

I don't think the troops are baby killers, if they weren't the troops it might be me overseas. Some share more of a burden than others, but these aren't Nazi's fighting for a toxic ideology. They are people like you or me who were stripped of their individuality and rebuilt into a collective that they don't get to control. They did this not because they want to cause harm (though some may have), they did it because they were told it was the honorable thing to do, and were afflicted by the other lies meant to take advantage of good intentions. We had a military that fought the real evils of the world, but you and I both know that to say that today reeks of naivete and ignorance.

But there is no excuse for those high on the chain of command, the president, and congress. Their overt role in this makes them clearly not fit to govern anything, and that is why I am ashamed.

Oh, and why is there no incentive for innovation?

To refer to what Stalin advised the German Demoratic Republic: a wage ratio of 1:1.7 (aprox.) for manual labourers and engineers is ridiculous. An engineer is a brain worker, and should be rewarded for the additional contributions he makes to society.

Innovation is /more/ valued by communists and socialists than by capitalists.

Social democracy simply results in the transferring of the bulk of the MOP to another country. For example, China. Social democracy may very well make capitalism tolerable, but its still exploitative and doomed to collapse because production for pprofit for all eternity is unsustainable.

I'm not so passionate about erradicating capitalism as most of my commierades are, and I still believe it might become more benevolent and humanistic in some cases.

About innovation being encouraged under communism, it can still happen, people might receive praise by the society itself and gain reputation for their work. And for many people, innovating isn't about becoming rich (or even famous in some cases) through it, but as a matter of personal achievement.

(You'll have to excuse my shitty english It's late for me)

I'm pretty sure communism can be innovative on the same level as capitalism when you were a child did you ever want to change to world well take that add a dash of "nationalism" (I don't know a better word for it but love of fellow man) and boom you've got a motivated innovative researcher right there (I mean seriously the USSR won most the laps of the space race, not to mention nuclear physics regular physics and chemisty, let me tell you a cool story, right now there's a pharm comapny (I want to say glaxosmitsihdadsa) who hold a patent to a drug which is cheap to produce and is effective now there's a reason this drug isn't being produced, because it's more profitable for them to sell you paracetamol a million times, staying on medical line and how capitalism is being shaped further by profit, you see American healthcare system you have an artificial scarcity of doctors right now in other words you have people capable of being doctors who are kept out to keep profits up, welcome to capitalism enjoy your stay.

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pure capitalism turns sour quickly, monopolies form and such.
There has to be some regulations to prevent this, and to give fair chances to everyone to move everyones living standards up, not just the very rich.

I don't mean just welfare, I'm talking about educational systems and things like that, thought welfare does help some as well. Obviously it is going to be abused, there is no perfects system, we just have to deal with it.

First, where did Communism fail? Being sabotaged does not mean it failed.

Capitalism is exploitative and dysfunctional. That's what we hate it, in a nutshell.

how bout I exploit my foot up your ass, commi

I've got more time to explain.

Capitalism will die because of its inherent contradiction. When every third world country has enacted fair and modern labour laws, the capitalists will have no where else to buy cheap labour to make their profits.

IE economic determanism

IE the proletariat will understand that its solidarity lies with workers in other countries and not with their governing and corporate elite

IE global revolution



IE fuck stalin

I won't deny that communism wasn't given a 'fair shot', but institutionally it was doomed to fail. Logically it isn't a way to run your economy that can encourage innovation or increase living standards like capitalism can. Why is the existence of capitalism contingent upon the status of the worst actors in it we see? We can have a great world of capitalism with those same fair labor laws, and many other regulations designed to prevent the practices of dicks. It seems like these criticisms of capitalism can be defeated by very common sense applications that would address them and solve them. You will always have corrupt Republicans insisting on the behalf of our corporate overlords, but with education and natural organic progress they can't win. And we have that coming, gradually.

Oh, and why is there no incentive for innovation?

To refer to what Stalin advised the German Demoratic Republic: a wage ratio of 1:1.7 (aprox.) for manual labourers and engineers is ridiculous. An engineer is a brain worker, and should be rewarded for the additional contributions he makes to society.

Innovation is /more/ valued by communists and socialists than by capitalists.

Social democracy simply results in the transferring of the bulk of the MOP to another country. For example, China. Social democracy may very well make capitalism tolerable, but its still exploitative and doomed to collapse because production for pprofit for all eternity is unsustainable.

I'm not so passionate about erradicating capitalism as most of my commierades are, and I still believe it might become more benevolent and humanistic in some cases.

About innovation being encouraged under communism, it can still happen, people might receive praise by the society itself and gain reputation for their work. And for many people, innovating isn't about becoming rich (or even famous in some cases) through it, but as a matter of personal achievement.

(You'll have to excuse my shitty english It's late for me)

I'm pretty sure communism can be innovative on the same level as capitalism when you were a child did you ever want to change to world well take that add a dash of "nationalism" (I don't know a better word for it but love of fellow man) and boom you've got a motivated innovative researcher right there (I mean seriously the USSR won most the laps of the space race, not to mention nuclear physics regular physics and chemisty, let me tell you a cool story, right now there's a pharm comapny (I want to say glaxosmitsihdadsa) who hold a patent to a drug which is cheap to produce and is effective now there's a reason this drug isn't being produced, because it's more profitable for them to sell you paracetamol a million times, staying on medical line and how capitalism is being shaped further by profit, you see American healthcare system you have an artificial scarcity of doctors right now in other words you have people capable of being doctors who are kept out to keep profits up, welcome to capitalism enjoy your stay.

Well not even just that, in extreme capitalist states like America we can already see how the economy has taking a huge beating, they keeping using money they don't have, and many of the corporations that have the biggest impact on the economy just keep most of what they earn and don't put it back into the economy, and the government insists on keeping low tax rates for them. they are most definitely going to run into more problems even before most 3rd world nations do develop.

When a group of southerners want to defend their 'right' to discriminate against black people, that is intolerance. When a dickhead wants to deny someone the right to marry for their bigoted purposes, that is intolerance. There is no arguing around that. Homophobia, especially with regard to equality, is not a matter of 'opinion'. Everything isn't as simple as Coke vs Pepsi.

Sweet, thanks!

look at the link beolw

In no way that looks like a happy puppy, if i came face-to-face with that look it has on, I would fucking run.