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#30 - wont lie buddy, only did a quick scan of the definition. I'm a…  [+] (1 new reply) 09/08/2014 on Rused Again -1
User avatar #115 - timmywankenobi (09/08/2014) [-]
No where in Christianity does Jesus or god say it is okay to lie and Jesus specifically tells his followers at one point not to tell even white lies because they can still hurt people and have negative consequences, and there's a line about how lies are a tool the deceiver uses to send good men astray. God however says you must sometimes prank/trick a person for them to learn a lesson.
#3 - Taqiyya actually means one can deny ones faith in times of rel…  [+] (64 new replies) 09/08/2014 on Rused Again +164
User avatar #126 - landartheconqueror (09/08/2014) [-]
now, how do we know you're not muslim, and not just lying to draw out our vulnerability?
User avatar #9 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Not really.
>Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."
>Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'"
>Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
#172 - fuelnfire (09/08/2014) [-]
Shh schinzel. That one guy that hates islam, but probably knows the Quran well enough to pass the ISIS stop tests.
#193 - schnizel (09/09/2014) [-]
User avatar #123 - runescapewasgood (09/08/2014) [-]
Fix your translations holy shit they're all wrong
User avatar #191 - rejakted (09/09/2014) [-]
Actually, the first and third are right. The second one is most prolly a fake (or unchecked) Hadith.
#125 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
That's the translation, but no translation will ever be right because in order to "truly" know the meaning you need to know arabic but most idiots on FJ would rather hear a pointless explanation with no conclusion than spooky facts.
User avatar #163 - runescapewasgood (09/08/2014) [-]
you're twisting words like "planner" into "schemer". yes, it's technically correct, but you're giving false connotations to the idiots on here that don't know what to believe and only follow bandwagons
whose translation was that? i'll look it up.
User avatar #192 - schnizel (09/09/2014) [-]
google online quran
User avatar #194 - runescapewasgood (09/09/2014) [-]
you are not using verified translations.
Sahih International
Muhsin Khan
Pickthall
Yusuf Ali
Shakir
Dr. Ghali

examples
User avatar #196 - schnizel (09/09/2014) [-]
Here is the Pickthall translation:
And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
User avatar #195 - schnizel (09/09/2014) [-]
As I have said, even those translations are wrong according to the muslim elite scholars. And don't get me starting on Bukhari because he was one of the most well known and accepted muslim scholars and the supreme authority in determining on which hadiths are right and wrong.
User avatar #33 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
The Verse and the Hadith (I've not heard the first one though) are right but you're misinterpreting them.
1) That was revealed, IIRC, as a warning to the Prophet (PBUH) to be wary of the Jews when they hatched a plot to poison him. Either that, or it refers to the time when he and Abu Bakr were about to migrate to Madina but the tribal chiefs had sent a hit squad to nail them down and so God revealed that verse to let him know of the situation beforehand.
2) I have never heard of that Hadith before. And I've read a hell lotta things. Even if it is, per se, an actual Sahih (proper, verified) Hadith, it still refers to something completely different. A Hadith is actually whatever the Prophet (PBUH) said. The tribal chiefs used to engage in war using lies and deceitful plots against him. This 'Hadith' might refer to that.
I'm quite sure you got this off the net (obviously). I Googled this 'Hadith' and taqiyya and all I got were propaganda sites and sites with shit information. Do proper research, dude.
3) This one actually refers to making peace or making someone having through 'good or nice' means. Something like if Admin were to ask me if he was pretty. He might not be pretty but I'll lie and say that he is so as not to hurt his feelings (best example I can come up with right now - I'm tired).

Also, taqiyya is lying to get your sorry ass out of religious persecution.

Dude, please take my advice and don't search the net for Islamic things or anything relating to the Quran and Hadith. More than the results are propaganda bullshit or hate sites. If you want good, clear information then buy the religious books by actual modern Islamic scholars (I cannot stress this more than enough). Or you can just watch some of Zakir Naik's videos.

Source - Muslim who doesn't take his religion literally but thinks that still doesn't mean that he should be ignorant. He also like anime. His favorite is Beelzebub.
User avatar #38 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
1.That verses still applies to usage against infidels, it's not just a story book but a book of orders.
2.Or because he was himself a warlord and knew military strategies and tactics.
3.But you may also use lying to either sway him to your cause or sway him for your cause.
User avatar #40 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
1) Most verses are actual commands while some are just there as predictions or retellings of the past but with hidden meanings. This verse come into the latter part but without the hidden meaning.
2) He despised war. Muslims actually wanted to give the opposition a good ass-spanking but he was the one holding them back and saying that that would be against his mission as his is one of peace. When the opposition got really out of hand and quite a number of Muslims died was a Verse revealed that gave permission to fight back but even then it was very restricted.
3) Nope. That specific Hadith just talks about peace and making up. It has nothing to do your cause or my cause or that old lady down at the diner's cause.
User avatar #41 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
1.So it basically tell muslims to scheme plans against the infidels.
2.Are you bullshitting me? The first battle he fought was when Meccans decided to defend their trade route because the muslims were sacking their caravans. Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not yet part of his growing empire.
3.Nope? What part of
"He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.
you don't understand.
It tells muslims to be like wormtongue in LOTR.
User avatar #43 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
1) I don't know if you're trying to use reverse psychology or something to make me burn out (or something) but that does not what it points to. Did you read what I had written in the last comment carefully? Especially the second sentence?
2) The first battle was fought because the Muslims had heard the Abu Sufyan's trade caravan (on its way to Syria, I think) was trying to trade there for weapons to fund the Quraish's (tribal opposition) army; Abu Sufyan freaked out halfway and called for re-inforcements. When he realized that the Muslims did not want to fight, it was to late to tell the Quraish army to go back. And so, the poorly equipped and mostly likely REKT Muslim army went out to defend themselves.
Some campaigns were for self-defence; some were a result of treaties being broken by the parties' they had agreed with; only a very few campaigns had to with actual expansion and that too was also because the Muslims would be able to gain some allies the. And, most of the 'empire' shit was brought up in Umar's caliphate. He was a warrior to the heart and soul and he counted the campaigns as necessary. 'Twas a dick move on his part, IMO.
3) You're viewing that in a negative perspective, schnizel. That is definitely not what it's talking about.

Listen closely, dude. Most Muslims today are fucked up hypocrites that mess up the image of the actual good Muslims. They may pray, fast, do Hajj and all that 5 pillar jazz but they don't work on the second basic fundamental of Islam; being a good human being (the first one is believeing in only One God).
User avatar #44 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
1.You assumed, you assume that it has a another hidden meaning.
2.He was not raiding a caravan, he was raiding Meccan caravanS over a long period of time starting in 623. To fund his quest for control, Muhammad first directed his followers to raid Meccan caravans in the holy months, when the victims would least expect it. This was despite the fact that the Meccans were not bothering him in Medina. Muhammad provided his people with convenient revelations "from Allah" which allowed them to murder innocent drivers and steal their property (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 426). The people around him gradually developed a lust for things that could be taken in battle, including material comforts and captured women and children. Often the people captured in battle would be brought before the self-proclaimed prophet, where they would plead for their lives, arguing, for example, that they would never have treated the Muslims that way. The traditions are quite clear in portraying Muhammad as largely unmoved by their pleas, and ordering their deaths anyway, often by horrible means. In one case, he orders a man slain, telling him that “Hell” will take care of the poor fellow’s orphaned daughter (Ishaq 459).
Part 1.
User avatar #47 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
1) I'm not assuming. I spent 7 damn years studying all of this stuff. And another 2 looking for logical explanations and shit.
2) You got that from the internet didn't you? That information is false in its entirety. Hell, the man married a POW just because she had no moral and financial support. He took her in, supported her and that's that. They didn't even have sex. I might go to Hell for that. Meh.
Why don't you search up what famous historians, authors and poets have said about him. I'd quote the H.G. Wells thing her but I can't properly remember it and am too lazy to look for the book in my suitcase-library and then waft through about 800 pages...
#48 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
1.From biased sources, most likely. Same as how christians use mental gymnastics when dealing with the parts where it said in the bible how to handle slaves.
2.No I'm not. And the guy married many women, because he killed their fucking husbands and families. What are you talking about nigger, he raped women in every raid. All of my claims are backed up by
ACTUAL SOURCES FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE
User avatar #53 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
1) Same to you, my good man. Yes, the sources I have studied might've been biased but the judgements, interpretations and explanations are all a product of the pink, mushy thing that resides in my skull. And, yes, most of them are correct.
Even the Quran had Verses telling people how to deal with slaves. And that was, sadly, because slavery was an acceptable thing** at the time.**
2) What Muhammad are you talking about, man? He married his first wife because he loved her; married the second/third because she was a daughter of his best friend and she was supposed to be brought up by the religious figurehead by himself as an intelligent speaker for women while the rest were married with to give them support or save them from harassment from their families upon conversion. I think he had about 9 or 11 wives. And he divorced one when the women were able to financially and socially establish themselves.
Sahih Hadith are actual sources from the people who were there.
Did it ever occur to you that they might be lying unlike the transmitters/sources of the Hadiths who were actually famously accepted by people of all religions during their times. (actual Hadith compilation started quite a long time after the Prophet's death).
User avatar #54 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Hadiths:
Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.
Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.
Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).
He has even raped a woman after he ordered the execution of her entire family.
User avatar #59 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
The Hadith collection of Tabari is an important for Islam but the collection has very big problem: the author just put in everything he came across from everyone regardless of whether they were true or false (he didn't check his work) and the people's personality and social acceptability themselves. It is mostly read as a reference to look into what both Muslims and non-Muslims thought of stuff and Islam at the time.
User avatar #61 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
But that does not change the fact that muslims took war booty and along that women as war booty.
User avatar #62 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Who said that they didn't take war booty? They did. All the time. They lost the second battle (after the caravan thing one) because of the eyes for booty.
What they didn't do was treat POWs as shit and women POWs and sex toys. If a POW was a lower class guy, he was set free. If he was rich, he had to buy his freedom.
User avatar #69 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
>What they didn't do was treat POWs as shit and women POWs and sex toys.
What part of cutting of peoples heads off and forcing others to convert don't you understand?
User avatar #72 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
You're confusing modern-day Islamist bullsharts with the things of the past.

I'll say this again - goodbye! Next time we meet, you better make me laugh and join in yersel too, ya hear?
User avatar #74 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
k
What's the difference between a black man and a bench?
User avatar #77 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Hmmmm....
One's normally brown and the other's blue?
User avatar #78 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
The bench can support a family of four
A black man can't
User avatar #80 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Hehe. gg no re.
#45 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
The raids on caravans preceded the first major battle involving a Muslim army, the Battle of Badr. This was the spot where the Meccans had sent their own army to protect their caravans from Muslim raiders. Although, Muslims today like to claim that they only attack others in self-defense, this was clearly not the case in Muhammad's time. In fact, he had to compel his reluctant warriors with promises of paradise and assurances that their religion was more important than the lives of others.
Part 2
>Some campaigns were for self-defence; some were a result of treaties being broken by the parties' they had agreed with; only a very few campaigns had to with actual expansion and that too was also because the Muslims would be able to gain some allies the. And, most of the 'empire' shit was brought up in Umar's caliphate. He was a warrior to the heart and soul and he counted the campaigns as necessary. 'Twas a dick move on his part, IMO.
What? Muslim waged over 550 Jihads against Europe since the the death of their prophet and the end of the medieval times and his dynasty was only a part of the puzzle.
< being a good human being (the first one is believeing in only One God).

User avatar #49 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Jesus McCheezus (it's a bad habit).
Your source of information. I demand it, fool! And don't you say it was you!

That's fucking up on the part of Muslims today: not by the Prophet himself. Like I said, most 'Muslims' today are cheeky lil' cunts. And I'm very disappointed and a bit saddened that I have to say that. Also, the Crusades...

If you're mixing up the last line (the human being) one with the asshat in the pic then I have to say that that guy is one hell of an A-trip motherfather.
User avatar #51 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
www.islam-watch.org/books/islamic-jihad-legacy-of-forced-conversion-imperialism-slavery.pdf
>Also, the Crusades...
7-8 Defensive wars waged to reclaim christian lands taken from them by muslims and compare that to over 550 major offensive battles waged against non-muslims to take their lands.
Also:
>AD 632 -- Muhammad’s death.
>AD 635 -- Christian Damascas fell to invading Muslims.
>AD 636 -- Christian Antioch fell to invading Muslims.
>AD 638 -- Christian Jerusalem,and later Alexandria,fell to invading Muslims.
>AD 650 -- Muslim armies reached Cilicia and Caesarea of Cappodocia. In the same period Muslim forces carried out raids on Cyprus, Rhodes, Crete and Sicily, carrying off thousands of Christian slaves.
>AD 668 -- Muslim armies laid siege to Constantinople. They were repulsed.
>AD 711 -- Muslim armies invaded Spain. By AD 715 they had conquered most of Spain.
>AD 717 -- Muslim armies again laid siege to Constantinople. Again repulsed.
>AD 732 -- Muslim armies invaded France. Charles Martel stopped them at Tours.
>AD 792 -- The Muslim ruler of Spain, Hisham, called for a new invasion of France. An international Islamic crusade was assembled, and was repulsed by the French.
>AD 827 -- Muslim warriors invaded Italy and Sicily, terrorised monks,and raped nuns. Sicily was held by Muslims until AD 1091.
>AD 846 -- Muslim armies reached Rome, where they forced the Pope to pay them tribute.
>AD 848 -- France was again invaded by Muslims. And again repulsed.
>AD 1059 -- Pope Urban II launched the FIRST Crusade.
User avatar #55 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
I can't really talk to you about the Crusades because I haven't really studied that part from both sides yet.
That website is shady as fuck.

9/10 of the battles and events were a result of small skirmishes commanded by Persians and the Byzantines which was met with counter-force. Muslims wanted to sign a peace treaty but the they refused to sign one so the Muslims fought back no-holds barred (cuz y'know, the Umar was a warrior man).

I realized something: you better not be trolling me, you sick man. (you're not sick if you're not trolling me).
#124 - mephiblis (09/08/2014) [-]
atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blchron_xian_crusades01.htm

Here you go, a different site aloha snackbar.
User avatar #190 - rejakted (09/09/2014) [-]
>aloha snackbar.
Top kek. To be honest, I'm no way in hell supposed to laugh at that but I like to laugh and so, I will. That 4chan letter was priceless.
#144 - masterboll (09/08/2014) [-]
"That website is shady as fuck"
>best response is "atheism.about.com"

cant tell if trolling or just stupid
User avatar #169 - mephiblis (09/08/2014) [-]
Shit you're right, let me check theuniversityforshitaboutthecrusades.com

oh wait...

See dates on fedora.about.com, double check em on wikipedia, shut the fuck up. It's not my fkin business to prove that history is history, you dirty fucking mudslime loving goat fucking shitskin.
#176 - masterboll (09/08/2014) [-]
User avatar #60 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Also, it would be like if the Serbs have taken half of Bosnia and decided to sign a peace treaty. To gather more forces
User avatar #57 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
>letter sent to Byzantine Emperor Heraclius: ‘The apostle’s letter with Dihya b. Khalifa al-Kalbi came to
Heraclius saying, ‘If you accept Islam you will be safe; if you accept Islam, Allah will give you double
reward; if you turn back, the sin of the husbandmen will be upon you.’’138 Similarly, Muhammad’s letter to
the kings of Oman (noted already) demanded: ‘‘Embrace Islam, and you shall be safe… If you submit to
Islam, you will remain kings, but if you abstain, your rule will be removed and my horses will enter your
arena to prove my prophecy.’’
User avatar #66 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
That is not what was written in the letters. No one (except for experienced scholars) really knows the contents of the letters. All we know that they were started with Allah, Bismillah (I think), the man's own name, and that just an invitation of acceptance was written.
The Byzantine ruler did not accept the invitation but sent a polite reply back as he heard praise of how good a guy the Prophet was from Islam's greatest enemy (at the time) himself.
User avatar #67 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
>The Byzantine ruler did not accept the invitation but sent a polite reply back as he heard praise of how good a guy the Prophet was from Islam's greatest enemy (at the time) himself.
>Who's Ibn ishaq?
User avatar #70 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Oops. The greatest enemy is Abu Sufyan.
Ibn Ishaq is a Hadith collector who is widely know for collecting incorrect Hadiths and not checking their authenticity. Think of him as Tabira's sequel.
User avatar #71 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
His faults are not that those aren't true but the claims by other muslim scholars were not the events themselves but how he described those events. So anything that shines bad light on islam is untrue as it seems.
User avatar #75 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
His fault is that he did not check whether what he collected was rue or not. He was a D-rate 'historian'.
User avatar #79 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
>The original text of the Sīrat Rasūl Allāh by Ibn Ishaq did not survive. Yet it was one of the earliest substantial biographies of Muhammad. Fortunately, as noted above, much of the original text was copied over into a work of his own by Ibn Hisham (Basra; Fustat c. 218 A.H.).[14]

>Ibn Hisham also "abbreviated, annotated, and sometimes altered" the text of Ibn Ishaq
User avatar #82 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
They both go hand in hand. It was a rule that one collector should not go for another's work.
#83 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Hitchens explains Islam and why it is so STUPID.
Gona go lift now, I know that he's an atheist but you will not regret listening to him.
User avatar #56 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Then buy his book, www.amazon.com/Islamic-Jihad-Conversion-Imperialism-Slavery/dp/1440118477
It's cheaper on Kindle.
>9/10 of the battles and events were a result of small skirmishes commanded by Persians and the Byzantines which was met with counter-force. Muslims wanted to sign a peace treaty but the they refused to sign one so the Muslims fought back no-holds barred (cuz y'know, the Umar was a warrior man).
Most battles in all wars are skirmishes but that does not mean that the majort battles didn't dictate the outcome of those wars. The Byzantines were exausted from fighting the Persians and the Persians so as well, so the muslims picked the right time to strike and the muslims were the ones to declare war, not the other way around.
User avatar #86 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
Long as he's funny, I don't mind. I like to laugh.
Good day to you, Funny Junky.
User avatar #88 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
bye
User avatar #63 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
I'll get it if I can find it for cheap at a bazaar. I am but a poor student with a crappy budget.
You're not accepting the fact that it them and not the Muslims who started it, dude.
User avatar #65 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
Because that's bullshit, no Byzantine army set foot on Arab soil, no Persian army set foot on Arab soil but Arabs did on both.
User avatar #68 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
They did skirmishes so the Arabs went to kick their asses on their own land.

*sigh* I'm getting tired of this. I only came online to laugh; not to enter a debate. Goodbye.
User avatar #145 - masterboll (09/08/2014) [-]
hes a well known shitposter who has practically dedicated his account to racism, islamophobia, anti-semitism, and every extreme view he could possibly cover

hes a good source of entertainment (mainly because of how much time he dedicates to shitposting), not to be taken as a valid source of information
#73 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
What the fuck are you talking about? Why would the exhausted Byzantines want another war? They were already at war with the Persians?
User avatar #76 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
They got scared and pissed that the Muslims might claim Jerusalem.
User avatar #81 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
And what were the names of those skirmishes?
Also, if they were scared it was based on facts, they did take Jerusalem and whenever they beat the arabs they would come twice the size back.
User avatar #85 - rejakted (09/08/2014) [-]
I don't know. I only remember things summarized. Names escape me. I passed my History exams by writing stuff like 'that battle' and 'middle of 18th century (actual date - 1845)'.

Muslims took Jerusalem after the war, IIRC. Don't shout me on this one. I'm gonna have to research this fact.
User avatar #87 - schnizel (09/08/2014) [-]
>It began when the Rashidun army, under the command of Abu Ubaidah, besieged Jerusalem in November 636. After six months, the Patriarch Sophronius agreed to surrender, on condition that he submit only to the Rashidun caliph. In April 637, Caliph Umar traveled to Jerusalem in person to receive the submission of the city. The Patriarch thus surrendered to him.
User avatar #30 - menon (09/08/2014) [-]
wont lie buddy, only did a quick scan of the definition. I'm agnostic, but there were times in both christianity and hinduism where god(s) misled or tricked or lied to the subjects, so frankly, even if this is as extreme as it sounds, its no different in any of the other major religions.

tl/dr all religions are shit
User avatar #115 - timmywankenobi (09/08/2014) [-]
No where in Christianity does Jesus or god say it is okay to lie and Jesus specifically tells his followers at one point not to tell even white lies because they can still hurt people and have negative consequences, and there's a line about how lies are a tool the deceiver uses to send good men astray. God however says you must sometimes prank/trick a person for them to learn a lesson.
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User avatar #215 - konradkurze (10/30/2013) [-]
will is typically remembered as the goofy clown from fresh prince and even tainting Independence day and the first 2 MIB movies with his immature nature

kinda shadows all other movies with him when you sit there expecting his to try being childish
#190 - wwttff (10/30/2013) [-]
>Titanic
>The Aviator
>Blood Diamond
>Django
>The Departed
>Inception
#201 - bazda (10/30/2013) [-]
>Shutter Island
>Great Gatsby
User avatar #191 - menon (10/30/2013) [-]
No doubt, Leo should have numerous Oscars- though I'm not a fan of aviator, but i blame that cuz i was young and have ADHD and just four hours or whatever was too long... haha- I was just arguing the point that Will Smith deserves the plaudits he's getting, he's not overrated. though I'd struggle to put him ahead of Leo.
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User avatar #2 - soundofwinter ONLINE (06/24/2014) [-]
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