were they? I don't recall any mention of such an order, and I can't find any.

There were the Iron Knights - force sensetive sentient Crystals who used droid bodies, but they were trained by a Jedi, and largely followed the jedi ideals

there were the Imperial knights - who served the light side as embodies by their emporer - but again, tied mostly to the light.

there were the grey paladins - force users who believed that the reliance on the force was a crutch, and preferred to rely on their own skills along with minimal force usage.

I dunno if you mean any of these, but none really fit the idea you're talking about

that's my point, her whole character has no reason nor explanation. she can do everything, never fails and always manages to come out on top all while having no real personality or defining character traits.

Personally I want Kylo to be the hero of this story, the one who has been to both extremes and takes to heart his uncle's teachings (if that is how it hopefully will go).
That would not only make sense but actually be great writing they boy who was raised in the force grows up to realize that the previous two methods which he was a part of are both broken so he forges a new path seperate from both and literally brings balance to the force instead of some mary sue

I dunno. I think there's a place for grey knights, but it's a tricky balance. and, of course, it results in taking flak from both sides.

plus, the term "grey jedi" or "grey knight" is a pretty broad one. it encompasses anything from Qui-gon Jinn (considered a "grey" jedi due to his repeated disobedience with regards to the jedi council) to Jacen Solo (whose "grey" philosophy helped create a slippery slope that Lumia dragged him down in to straight up sithness.

I'd say some good examples of "Grey" philosophies were:

Revan (Post KotoR): Revan, unlike many grey force users, believed in the light and dark sides, but believed them to be very subtly intertwined, like a glass full of sand and sawdust, rather than divided simply as the jedi viewed it. he believed (much like luke's jedi) that emotion attachment were fine, so long as they weren't allowed to control you. Revan actaully offered to teach the jedi his new understanding of the force, but was privately shunned as a borderline heretic.

Potentium Follower etc: there were a number of groups (from the followers of the potentium who were exiled to Zonama Sekot, to the jedi-going-on-sith Jacen Solo) who believed that the dark and light sides were simply constructs - that the force was simply a tool, and the morality came from the use, not the abilities themselves (so force lightning - often considered a dark side power - wasn't innately evil, the good or bad aspect came from how it was used) this view was often rebuffed by the jedi, though Luke took it under consideration during the Swarm War (only to rebuff it again after seeing the effect such philosophies were having on his nephew)

and I'm sure there's others.


in terms of Kylo though, I don't see him going grey knight. I'm sort of expecting a redemption leading to him being a sort of grittier, less cheerful jedi. like, a light sider, but one who has to deal with the emnity of his comrades and the guilt over what he's done (possibly like Kyp Durron did towards the latter half of the yuzhaan vong war)

were they? I don't recall any mention of such an order, and I can't find any.

There were the Iron Knights - force sensetive sentient Crystals who used droid bodies, but they were trained by a Jedi, and largely followed the jedi ideals

there were the Imperial knights - who served the light side as embodies by their emporer - but again, tied mostly to the light.

there were the grey paladins - force users who believed that the reliance on the force was a crutch, and preferred to rely on their own skills along with minimal force usage.

I dunno if you mean any of these, but none really fit the idea you're talking about

Grey Knights, you say?

it would be neat, though I don't trust J.J. to be able to make it seem decent looking at his track record as a director.
For the Emperor!

Seriously hope Kylo does this because he'd probably actually go through a journey to get there instead of Rey who would do her typical "reasons" and just suddenly become the grey jedi for, you guessed it; reasons.

I don't think kylo is based of revan. the mask is similar, granted, but he still feels closer to Jacen Solo in many ways - just younger, less powerful, and less stable.

that's my point, her whole character has no reason nor explanation. she can do everything, never fails and always manages to come out on top all while having no real personality or defining character traits.

Personally I want Kylo to be the hero of this story, the one who has been to both extremes and takes to heart his uncle's teachings (if that is how it hopefully will go).
That would not only make sense but actually be great writing they boy who was raised in the force grows up to realize that the previous two methods which he was a part of are both broken so he forges a new path seperate from both and literally brings balance to the force instead of some mary sue