or kill him. that also happens

Thanks, really appreciate it. I should take the time and start lifting again. I'm not going to talk about how I thought she was the one and shit because I'm trying to leave that behind. I've just been hurt a bunch in the past. From life to relationships, I really need to focus on my life again and not so much other people. After I tore a ligament in my ancle I've been out of work and depressed. But you really were stright forward and honest and I appreciate it. It dose hurt she really ment something to me not a quick fling. But I need to learn from this. This will be my first and only long distance relationship. I have had bad luck all my life, I've been robbed at gunpoint to losing my job because of someone else. Hopefully this will payoff the karma debt. I'm sick and tired of this shit. I'm going to make a diffrence in my life. Thanks man. I really needed to see that. And I might take you up on messageing you in the future.
Pic related. Reminded me of this comic..

This actually isn't fan theory. If I remember correctly: Kylo told Snoke, that he can't read Rey's mind, because she's too strong in force. On which Snoke replied to bring Rey to him.

1. The fight got turned around in a scene, where she was basically one step away from getting burned to ashes by collapsing planet surface. The combination of "finding" the force and the survival instinct may have been stronger in that moment, in which case we can assume that the power and strenght was an adrenaline rush.

2. Don't forget, that they don't respect the rule of 2, which is implied by existence of Knights of Ren. Kylo is just master of Knights of Ren, which means, that he already has some other fighters as his subordinates. Kylo can even be disposable member of this group. If he dies, or fails, there is already a dude that is trained to replace him and best him. Also, it was never implied that Kylo is the only Snokes apprentice. They may try to make an elite group of force sensitive cutthroats loyal to their cause more then to re-establish sith empire.

1. In which case Kylo also thinkfs "That bitch almost killed me, I must get better" which can start a cycle of pretty badass CGI fights in next movies, which I guess is the only thing it depends now, when they dumped almost everything as a canon. We can only sit and wait for next episodes and see how it goes.

2. Whole point 2 was based on the "I can show you the ways of force". Which I personally understand as an invitation to Knights Of Ren more than making her his personal apprentice.

1. but we're not meant to be rooting for the super-space nazi's, that'd fuck with people watching it if kylo got a training montage. he'd just say he needs to and they do a time skip, kinda like what the did in DBZ with the newest friza movie. You don't watch training montages of the bad guys, suit ups or weapons factory sure, but not training montages because it shows they worked for it which gives people sympathy.

2. lots of fan theory going on for knights of ren hoping for revan. I can get behind luke being rey's dad cause the saber being passed down, sand planet, etc. but beyond that just saying "oh it -could- be like that" isn't enough for an argument. it needs blunt hints or many of them, not just one sentence that could be taken one way.

1. I never implied anything in that matter. Sorry If I phrased it badly, not native english speaker. What I wanted to say is, that in each clash they will have, they will get stronger, because both of them take the other one as a huge threat, so they will get stronger and stronger (not rocky training montage shit).

As a Canadian I automatically assume there was snow there in the morning

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I'm 98% certain this happened when there was snow on the ground, and then it melted.

But dem exp gains

Also, it seems like they are pulling some of the EU. For instance, Leia's line was always the less powerful between her and Luke, and in this movie she is shown with no real force power, so it is completely believable that not only is Ren not that powerful, but not that well trained. Meanwhile (at least in the EU) it is made clear that Luke has INSANE force sensitivity, in fact he is more sensitive to the force than even Yoda. If Ray is Luke's daughter, then she could have inherited those traits.

If that is the case, then it totally makes sense that she could bet Ren despite being untrained. it also explains why he was punching his wound, a darkside user can draw power from pain.

So a couple things on Ren's behalf for the final fight with Rey:

First off, HE WAS SHOT IN THE GUT. Seriously can't stress this enough, the guy was shot in the gut by a fucking BOWCASTER And then he trails them fast enough to catch up with them. And then he fights with Fin, who, though outclassed, still holds against him for a while. And then he fights against Rey. And at the start of that fight, he had the upper hand. But the whole fight was on a timer for him. It was all down hill for him. Meanwhile Rey could only grow more certain and more comfortable with the blade, especially given Kylo's own wavering fortitude.

That aside, for much of the fight, and this is important: He wasn't trying to kill her. He wanted her to surrender, to side with him. As with Vader against Luke before, he wanted to bring Rey into the fold. Overpower her, perhaps, but not kill. Unfortunately, he didn't have the luxury of dominating her that way. The longer he fought, the weaker he became. Because of the aforementioned whole in his gut.

Next, Kylo isn't exactly the most stable person. He's clearly powerful in the force, but his training is incomplete, and his training in the dark-side doubly so. Snoke even comments as much. Vader was a lean, mean, Cold Fury fueled murder machine. The same with most of the other Sith, or even Dark Jedi/Acolytes we see, such as Maul, Assaj, or the Inquisitors. In fact, Kylo quite reminds me of Savage, who similarly could be bested when his rage got the better of him.

Combined with above, I think that Kylo has raw talent, but it's unfulfilled. Much like Rey. I don't think he's ever encountered anyone as strong in the force as he is, save Snoke and Luke. I think that Rey is genuinely the first real fight he's had to put up with in a long while.

Another thing to consider is Rey's own hidden potential.

Jedi training is at its core, physical and mental training. Physical training used as a meditative aid, which then feeds back into the enhanced ability to focus increasing the ability to connect to the Force and from there enhancing physical abilities. It creates a cycle, which then forms the bases of the high end light saber dueling skills we see from Jedi in their(or even way past) their prime. Luke was considered half-trained when he rushed to confront Vader. But when he returned, he was told his training was complete. Because the whole time, it's not simple Force tricks that make the Jedi. It's the maturity. The ability to focus past physical and mental pain. The consistency. The patience.

And this is how Rey's curve was so abrupt. All her life she has been no stranger to physically and mentally demanding tasks. Her patience and powers of concentration continually being tested. Such that when she first connects to the Force, with the Saber, with Rey's interrogation, it doesn't take much for the dam to break wide open.

Did you even see the movie? Because I've seen it three times and you're obviously either completely ignorant of what happened during the film or you haven't seen it.

1. Rey's "second wind" was, in fact, her awakening the Force inside her. Thus the title of the movie and the event Snoke was telling Ren and Hux. Do you know what the Force does? It guides people. Rey's skill and intuition and power fucktupled when she unlocked her Force potential. The Force guided her actions through the fight. There are loads of times that has happened in the series primarily in Rebels and TCW.

And you obviously missed where I pointed out Rey has extensive personal training in martial weapons. Yes lightsabers require tremendous skill for a non-Force user to wield, but Rey is an incredibly POWERFUL Force user with combat training.

Ren is the same way. He's an incredibly powerful Force user with combat training, but his training is explicitly incomplete. He never finished with Luke and Snoke says at the end, flat out, that Ren's skill is lacking and required refinement. Since Luke left, Ren has never fought against anyone that could challenge him. He's an attack dog, not a Sith. What happens the first time in years that he comes against an equally powerful opponent? He gets his teeth kicked in.

And again, that wasn't just due to skill on either party's part. Ren was so fucked up it's not funny. He had a whole where his left kidney should be, was dealing with significant blood loss, dealing with psychological issues drawn from killing his goddamn father, and he explicitly wasn't trying to kill her.

Which brings me to the next point.

2. It's here that I realize you didn't actually watch the movie or pay attention. The ENTIRE INTERROGATION SCENE had Kylo saying "Join me, join us, be my friend, it'll be grand!"

And then during their confrontation in the forest he was basically saying, "If you won't come with me, I'll make you."

He was not trying to kill her.

3. Yes. Yes they fucking do. The Force can and has guided people's actions. In combat and in menial tasks.

You don't need excessive Force training to use the Force. Sure the training refines your abilities and allows you to expand what you can do, but it's more than possible to use it via just raw power. Which is what Ren is doing.

Did you not read the second half of my post. She'd already had a perfectly viable analogue to basic Jedi training via her hardships on Jakku.

So before you talk next time, how about you learn what the fuck your debating.

1/3. it "awakened" mid-fight, not when she does the mindtrick she had no idea existed until that day because she thought fucking han solo was a myth.

It "awakened" during some shit that shouldn't even impact her in that way.

The only bit where the force guides some one in Rebels is when they have literal fucking vision dreams. In clone wars, it's either ghosts or fucking GOING INTO A PYRAMID OF THE SHIT. But NEVER had it been used to directly impact some one's actions like you're suggesting.

Saber techniques are like martial arts styles but with a sword. You don't instantly know all the moves because of the what you're insisting on making the star wars equivalent of "nanomachines".

and i'm sure the planet with likely less than a thousand people and no grand beasts to speak of provided oh so much combat training. The only settlement we say was the size of a trailer park. Unless it has some spots that are super force focused like dagobah or shit, then simple combat techniques aren't fucking enough.

The force isn't like x-men tier powers. Kids don't just wake up one day and suddenly "Oh shit, I can hear minds and everything in my room is floating, what's going on?" It's a latent power that you need to focus to have any effect every time you use it. You can have it for half your life and if some chuckle fuck doesn't tell you, you could never know because the ONLY shit that you might notice that's weird is strange dreams, but dreaming is already weird so you can shrug it off.

when was the last time in star wars did some one start doing crazy shit with the force and go "I have no idea how i'm doing this?" because they didn't have that ability UNTIL THAT VERY MOMENT?

but, if what you say is true, then star wars is developing super sayian syndrome where "THE LEGENDARY POWERFUL ONE" is becoming more and more common until it's not special anymore.

2. maybe both of us need to rewatch it because I remember constant threats and taunts by kylo to get rey to break to give the dets on the resistance base and shit.

This actually isn't fan theory. If I remember correctly: Kylo told Snoke, that he can't read Rey's mind, because she's too strong in force. On which Snoke replied to bring Rey to him.

1. The fight got turned around in a scene, where she was basically one step away from getting burned to ashes by collapsing planet surface. The combination of "finding" the force and the survival instinct may have been stronger in that moment, in which case we can assume that the power and strenght was an adrenaline rush.

2. Don't forget, that they don't respect the rule of 2, which is implied by existence of Knights of Ren. Kylo is just master of Knights of Ren, which means, that he already has some other fighters as his subordinates. Kylo can even be disposable member of this group. If he dies, or fails, there is already a dude that is trained to replace him and best him. Also, it was never implied that Kylo is the only Snokes apprentice. They may try to make an elite group of force sensitive cutthroats loyal to their cause more then to re-establish sith empire.

1. In which case Kylo also thinkfs "That bitch almost killed me, I must get better" which can start a cycle of pretty badass CGI fights in next movies, which I guess is the only thing it depends now, when they dumped almost everything as a canon. We can only sit and wait for next episodes and see how it goes.

2. Whole point 2 was based on the "I can show you the ways of force". Which I personally understand as an invitation to Knights Of Ren more than making her his personal apprentice.

1. but we're not meant to be rooting for the super-space nazi's, that'd fuck with people watching it if kylo got a training montage. he'd just say he needs to and they do a time skip, kinda like what the did in DBZ with the newest friza movie. You don't watch training montages of the bad guys, suit ups or weapons factory sure, but not training montages because it shows they worked for it which gives people sympathy.

2. lots of fan theory going on for knights of ren hoping for revan. I can get behind luke being rey's dad cause the saber being passed down, sand planet, etc. but beyond that just saying "oh it -could- be like that" isn't enough for an argument. it needs blunt hints or many of them, not just one sentence that could be taken one way.

1. I never implied anything in that matter. Sorry If I phrased it badly, not native english speaker. What I wanted to say is, that in each clash they will have, they will get stronger, because both of them take the other one as a huge threat, so they will get stronger and stronger (not rocky training montage shit).

You did what you could.But sometimes it's just not enough.

I feel with you bro.

You did what you do, man. I know you didn't come asking for advice and I'm sure you've thought this, but it would probably be best to stop hanging onto that stuff. That's some heavy emotional baggage and it isn't helping you or her or anyone. You did the right thing in the moment, now you've just gotta know you did the right thing.

Ouch, bro... Ouch

oh noes, the jews got him mid sentence!

Who's next? When will it end?!

I know your plan now. I will send out ravens to my fellow chicks and warn them of this method.

Nigga you serious?

I have a question. What is your success rate?

i would say it was 50%, for until he has tried it has both succeeded and failed

I'm not gonna lie. I wanted to give a funny comment, but if it gets top comment And I say this because it looks like people also found it funny, plus the content is only 10 hours old. imma be pissed due to missin out on my first top comment. Not gonna be one of those fags that try to get thumbs by logging in and reply to their own comment just for thumbs though.

Good thing you found a loophole, right?

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**concetrationcamp rolled image** I don't know about the others but if a woman says that she have a child it's the reason #1 to get the fuck out for me.

Lel. What a master liar. Covering up having sex before marriage by making ppl believe your bastard is the son of god. Even worse is that those retards believed her hahahahaha.

I think they started shitting on him because he's saying the Virgin Mary was a single mother, when she was married to Joseph. I'm hoping it was either an honest mistake, albeit concerning from a pastor, or very bad wording. It somehow spiraled into a bunch of people claiming he supports cuckoldry because twitter is full of twats who like an easy target. If he actually was advocating cuckolding, then Jesus Fucking Christ.