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|#22 - Is it bad that I want a zombie apocalypses...? [+] (66 new replies)||04/17/2014 on I'm Good||-102|
#145 - iamaniceperson (04/18/2014) [-]
If it would ever happen, the army could handle it and save people. You'd get rescued by hellicopter very fast, put in quarentreen and all that shit. And if the army can't do shit, you won't either... So, exept loosing friends or familly, nothing would happen really.
#130 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
Honeslty, a zombie apocalypse in the style of The walking dead wouldn't happen.
"Oh, there's zombies."
"Let's climb a ladder and wait for the military."
And, assuming you don't think "zombies", you'll come to the conclusion that the guy staggering towards you is trouble.
Also, a soldier could realistically take down as many zombies as is necessary to stop the plague spreading a good amount. Early on there wouldn't be many zombies so you'd have to be pretty damn hopeless of a soldier to not take down a good amount, exceptions being the odd "ninja" zombie that nobody realised was in a broom cupboard.
Oh, and I guess riot gear would make one nigh on invincible, too. And typical military gear. So screw yer' zombies even more. 28 days style or a dormant bug that suddenly kills 90% of the population are the only feasible ways for an outbreak to spread.
#134 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
Well,maybe. If you run out of ammo you're kind of fucked. Most soldiers would use automatics,yes? I know they're more disciplined,but you get undead past your comfort zone,and you start to panic. You start to panic,you flip the switch to rock n' roll,and start mowing down zombies. You run out of ammo. Plus,riot gear would not grant immortality. Zombies have no limits on their bodies,they will attack until they fall apart. So you get three or four determined zombies,and you're just canned food. But other then that,you're pretty spot on.
#138 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
"Oh, out of ammo. Let's walk away now."
And this is before the proper outbreak has happened. There are very few zombies. Like, 1/20 people in a specific area contaminated. Let's say a hospital. They'd wall off the area with barricades and send soldiers in, they'd progress with caution and keep clear vision because they know to be aware of your surroundings. The only way a zombie could kill a soldier is with overwhelming numbers or by surprise. And there's their protective gear, which would basically make them unbiteable.
#140 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
You'd be surprised at how many people have become chow for a zombie that was just kind of chilling in a hidden place,like a closet or an airvent. I see what you're saying,but keep in mind,zombies don't have limits like us humans. They don't recoil from pain,they don't fear,they only have one desire. To feed on human flesh. And if they get ahold of you,they hold on good. If they can hold on long enough to rip open your protective gear......I mean,realisticaly,I HOPE the military would be doing better than they do in the movies. (IE,always dying first.) I mean,we have TANKS. You could just RUN OVER A ZOMBIE AND IT WOULD BE DEAD. I think a few would probably die or turn,but for the most part we'd win.
#146 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
Oh I know,but zombies only make the moaning noise to alert other zombies. It's kind of like a dinner bell. (I'm working off the zombie survival guide here,it's the most realistic book out there.) So I mean,someone gets bit,they hide somewhere because they don't want to hurt someone,and then some poor bastard walks into the room they were hiding in,and the zombie person gets the drop on them due to that. But yes,zombies are not ninjas or magical creatures. They're..really...reaaaally fucking stupid.
#154 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
Yeah,but if they're in a confined space and they can't see through it/hear anything,it's kind of like how if you put a blanket over a bird cage,they think it's night time and go to sleep. As long as no survivors are nearby and the zombie is caged away in a box or something,they'd just kind of sit there like a bag of potatoes.
#159 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
Yeah,the guide recommends that. Also,they say to travel in a small group of 2-3 people. On the defense,tons of people are good. On the move,not really. Your team has to move as one,kill as one,and search as one. Recommends three,because then everyone can split up the ammunition evenly without worrying about it weighing you down. (I know ammo doesn't weigh much,but you get enough of anything and it gets heavy. More people,more ammo because they can help carry it.) And if you DON'T get a zombie,maybe you'll get lucky and find a hidden survivor who's friendly and not infected to take back to camp. The more people at your base the better,because then there's more people to do jobs around the base.
#162 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
#163 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
I have a friend who has it, might borrow from him someday. I honestly feel like the only viable "zombie apocalypse" is 90% patient zero infection or 28 days later. 90% would end up like The walking dead, 28 days later... that would be a real challenge to survive. You'd need a weapon on-hand from the get-go or you'd need to survive melee combat with a bunch which is extremely risky/suicidal for most people given their vicious and unpredictable nature.
#165 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
#173 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
It wouldn't be like a human. They completely disregard themselves just to kill you, they don't want to to win, they just want you to lose. They'd use any method to kill you whatsoever, they'd bite and scratch everything they could. They ignore pain completely so anything short of incapacitating attacks(limb loss or fatal) are useless. They'll be stronger than most people, drunk on rage. They'd gladly lose an arm just to scratch you and that's all it takes.
#33 - xxxsonic fanxxx (04/17/2014) [-]
It's called a zombie apocalypse for a reason
If everyone thinks they'll be some awesome zombie killer then we might as well be in one now, you know, since everyone survived and all~
#135 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
I know far too many people like that. "It'll be just like CoD bro,it'd be awesome" yeah,and you forgot how you always die in zombies? you just hang on as long as you can,but eventually the zombies overwhelm you,or you run out of ammo and get turned into a happy meal.
#113 - xxxsonic fanxxx (04/18/2014) [-]
Plus, if you are 100% sure that you would survive, statistically that would lower the chance of survival for everyone around you, like your mom, dad, sibling, spouse or friends, cause you know, everyone in The Walking Dead will be having that special family-tale at some point.
Oh! And then there are the lovely neighbors!!
<- Lori and Judith get shot by one of the governors man (well, a woman in this case)
#29 - hazenberdan (04/17/2014) [-]
Depends on what kind of "zombie" we're talking about. Is it the fast ones from games like L4D where they have special types? those are infected,but still techincally a "zombie". Or the normal type like from dawn of the dead and all that? If it's the former,you're probably fucked. If the latter,maybe you'd do a bit better.
#32 - hazenberdan (04/17/2014) [-]
So the second. They're basically the same thing,just a little more...advanced. You might do well,maybe. What kind of equiptment were you thinking about bringing? You'd need a primary weapon,back up weapon,a close quarters weapon (IE knife or crowbar or pipe or something.),not to mention the ammo if you choose guns.
#96 - sixpoundsofjerky (04/18/2014) [-]
I know it wasn't directed at me, but my given dream set-up in the zompocalypse would be an HK-SL9SD, suppressed, with an angled grip, holo-sight, and a laser for quick acquisition. A Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade, suppressed. A high-end combat/utility knife, a crowbar, and a trench-spike. Clothed in the form of an armored motorcycle jacket, wear a lightweight ballistic vest atop it, wear either armored pants or strap on some shin guards, steel-toe heavy industrial quality boots, knee and elbow pads, a full-face motorcycle helmet, and some tactical gloves.
Untouchable, unless you walk right into death.
#319 - sixpoundsofjerky (04/18/2014) [-]
I ignored the general supplies seeing as keeping food and water are a bit of a given. And I know what you mean, I've read the ZSG myself, but I'd rather have a higher chance of getting grabbed and be safe from most bites, than have a lower chance of getting grabbed. As for my sight and laser, they'd be unused most of the time, unless needed, and I'd carry spare batteries.
I'd also carry a few books.
#127 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
I'm sorry but you would not last very long. Once your sight and laser sight are out of batteries,they're just for decoration then. Nice choice with the crowbar,but your primary weapon needs some work. Anything automatic and there's the temptation to just kick it to full auto and start mowing down everything,and if that happens,before you know it you'll be out of ammo,and you'll have to be relying on a pistol and a crowbar. Not an ideal situation. Not to mention that much clothing would leave you tired from running around in it. the *approved* loadout (from the guide),would be some form of a hunting rifle, a normal telescopic scope and a silencer for it,possibly a pistol with a silencer,a crowbar,around 10-20 mags of ammo for your primary, and 5-10 for your secondary. For clothes,as stupid as it sounds,a pair of jeans and a tight shirt,a bandana,shades,and a pair of industrial boots,as you had said. You're not supposed to be going rambo on the zombies,just trying to find somewhere safe to hide. Mind you,the ballistic vest would be nice to have incase you run into some unfriendly survivors. You would also want a backpack. Because on the run,when you're alone,you have to carry your armory,your infirmary,your cafeteria,and your own entertainment on your back. entertainment because,well,you need to keep your mind sharp. I think the others make sense on their own.
#129 - hazenberdan (04/18/2014) [-]
You have a good primary,but shotguns are not the zombie killing machines they're made out to be. To use a shotgun,you'd have to be up close enough to keep the spread from hitting everything BUT the zombie. You said you hunt,so I'm sure I don't need to tell you how important traveling light and being stealthy is.
#311 - manofbeardliness (04/18/2014) [-]
I don't know why I'm still going on about this, because FJ apparently takes its hypothetical's pretty fucking seriously, but whatever.
You can drop a deer from 80 yards with #4 buck shot, I've done it. There are also things called slugs which are just big fucking pieces of lead in a shell which can put gaping holes through flesh. All I'm saying is my hometown is like a haven if that were to happen. You can cut off literally all access to town, if zombies were to travel into the swamps they'd get so stuck they'd just decompose there.
#35 - hazenberdan (04/17/2014) [-]
Not really. Assuming zombies were a thing,I'm choosing to follow the zombie survival guide here. It says that while waiting for them all to just rot away into nothing could be done,it would take anywhere from 3-5 years. Plus,it wouldn't just magically go away,there are some people who are fucked enough in the head to walk over and be like "hey I wonder what it'd be like to be a zombie?"
#38 - hazenberdan (04/17/2014) [-]
You have to think though,not everyone's just gonna team up and be like "guiz if we want to survive we all have to work together!!!1" there are gonna be people doing whatever they want because the cops are all zombie chow or busy trying not to become zombie chow so they can murder,pillage,rape,etc etc.
#72 - vatra (04/17/2014) [-]
Nah man, if something like that ever happened, the military would first attempt to install a quarantine, approximately a day after the outbreak. Eventually somewhere it would give and military personal would then be infected. Once it gets into the military all hell is breaking loose. And it will go just like this: "we aren't invincible, so we need to take drastic actions to stay on top." So they start gunning down anyone that looks remotely hurt, bloody, or manages to surprise them. Now the citizens that viewed them as their only hope start to turn against them. People purposely bust down barriers and such, eventually the military realizes they can't fight a 360 front war where they are out numbered 100 to 1. So they GTFO. Any authority such as the president has been evacuated to some remote part of the world or the aerospace. Even if they can communicate to the masses, the masses no longer care what their leaders that abandoned them have to say. Next, the power would go out within the week. People get desperate for food, all the grocery stores are empty long before the power goes out. People will then turn to each other and start stealing, killing or imprisoning each other for food, or out of paranoia, or even a remote cruelty awakened or unleashed by all the horror going on all around them. So say it does only last three to five months. Most humans are dead. Nothing will ever be the same.
#182 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
If they were freaked out they could just back off to collect themselves. Protective gear would stop zombies from being able to hurt them because they don't think to avoid protective gear or to take it off. They'd(them or fellow soldiers) just throw the zombies away if they locked up.
And I still don't really agree. They're trained to combat "the enemy". There would be shock factor but once the adrenaline kicks in and they collect themselves they'd function. It's not like zombies are the swiftest of threats that don't give you time to think.
#185 - vatra (04/18/2014) [-]
Well, on that last point it depends on the "type" of zombie it ended up being, as well as how many there are, doesn't matter if they are slow as snails if there is 500 coming at you all at once. Which according to zombie lore, is bound to happen when ever there is a mass gathering of humans in one spot for a long time.
But to the first point, how could they take a step back? They have to deal with the public and zombies, not to mention that they would be massively understaffed because they would have to set up these quarantines practically everywhere, either that or just set up a few, but then those are more of fortresses and wouldn't be very effective because the majority of the areas would be free of their intervention.
#187 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
Let's just assume walking dead style, it's the most common. I'm talking about the initial outbreak. It's not like, bam, 99% of people are zombies. The military would eventually be called after a large incident happened, they'd arrive and start taking down zombies. By taking a step back I mean literally, not metaphorically. Taking the time to come to terms with what they need to do if they haven't already. Also, 500 zombies moving at 5km/h(3.5mp/h) is still moving at 5km/h. You can outrun them, easily. You can mount obstacles, use vehicles, climb ladders or other things.
#209 - vatra (04/18/2014) [-]
Reached the comment limit.
I must not have been clear on my points. Because the human part of dangers is why I'm saying it would be so bad. In this situation people would lose their shit. My original comment points a lot of the human factors out decently. Now imagine the military has to deal with all of that, as well as undead walking cesspools of infection that only stop moving if you do enough damage to their head. Not to mention this thing could be your own mother.
Personally I don't think you are taking them seriously enough, I think there would be runners. Most people wouldn't stand a chance. How do you hit something in the head that is sprinting at you in an erratic gait. Military might be able to, but they'd waste a lot of ammo.
#193 - vatra (04/18/2014) [-]
Military likes to set up bases, and tend to have an attitude of defend the base. So you get a mass horde knocking on the door, they should just abandon the base and regroup, more than likely at first they will defend the base. And get wiped out. Suddenly there is panic in the military, setting up permanent staging areas doesn't work. Unless they can pull something off like a large concrete wall in an area without infected. But again, that's a fortress, and isn't very effective at all. Of course that would work for protecting citizens, but then they have to worry about crime and civilian unrest.
The only situation I can see the military being relatively successful is a fortress situation where they rule over their civilian charges with a spiked iron fist. Which of course makes them more hated than the undead.
#205 - wallbuilder (04/18/2014) [-]
There wouldn't be massive hordes, it would get stopped before then. And seriously? 10 LMG's would tear through walls of zombies, if they were grouped that much, tanks shots would annihilate them if they decided to use weapons with collateral damage. And helicopters could destroy them without concern. You've been taking media-fied zombies too seriously. Think about how it would happen in reality. A soldier and 30 zombies stand 20 yards apart. Lets say this guy is pretty good, a good shot and not scared(honestly, I think zombies would be FAR less scary than a live-fire firefight, they would just have more momentary shock factor). Without any difficulty at all he could kill them all, assuming he had ammo. If he ran out of ammo, he can leave. Now if you have more soldiers working together they can kill even more zombies! Now give them some helicopters and there's literally nothing the zombies can do. Throw in 4 mounted machine guns and you can tear a horde apart. You are literally saying that humans < zombies. Zombies are FAR more dangerous than humans and we've fought each oher for millenia. Mosquitoes are a bigger threat than a common zombie outbreak would be.
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