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#5 - "How did the know the time?" ...The sun, its based o… 12/13/2014 on Hits blunt 0
#171 - In some place where weed is expensive they have to mix tobacco… 12/10/2014 on Facts +1
#60 - This is all assuming God is real, which I don't believe he is,…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/09/2014 on God -1
User avatar #214 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
Yup. But as we see the existence of disease and pain aren't in contradiction with the existence of God.
#57 - If God is so far above that we cant understand him, then this …  [+] (3 new replies) 12/09/2014 on God 0
User avatar #59 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
There might be reasons we can't understand. But we can still try to find some. Like I did in#27
User avatar #60 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
This is all assuming God is real, which I don't believe he is, so its a massive discussion of hypothetical ideas.
User avatar #214 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
Yup. But as we see the existence of disease and pain aren't in contradiction with the existence of God.
#41 - Perfection right there.  [+] (5 new replies) 12/09/2014 on God 0
User avatar #44 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
>>#42
User avatar #57 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
If God is so far above that we cant understand him, then this discussion becomes pointless as there's no "right answer" as you can just deflect it by saying "we dont understand the scale he is thinking of" and that gets boring. We were created "in his image" and considering how much interaction he has had with humans, for sake of argument, I'd say we could figure some of this shit out.

If God just doesnt help because he doesnt care, he aint no god of mine.
User avatar #59 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
There might be reasons we can't understand. But we can still try to find some. Like I did in#27
User avatar #60 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
This is all assuming God is real, which I don't believe he is, so its a massive discussion of hypothetical ideas.
User avatar #214 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
Yup. But as we see the existence of disease and pain aren't in contradiction with the existence of God.
#36 - No, not really. Not anymore that its my right to beat a child …  [+] (2 new replies) 12/09/2014 on God -1
User avatar #46 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
Also considering we basically now nothing about the human complexity I highly doubt your friends can create a better world.
User avatar #43 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
Mate. What's a better way to show someone that cutting yourself with a knife is dangerous than pain?
Also I don't remember where God told you to beat your child. I'm pretty sure that files as sin.
#30 - I'd argue that "to make things interesting" isnt a g…  [+] (40 new replies) 12/09/2014 on God +3
User avatar #72 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/09/2014) [-]
It's useless to bring logic into this. Even when you make good points, people will just default to either "god dunnit" or "u cant no god!" when presented with said points. That is because the Abrahamic god is set up like that by design to quiet critiques.
#40 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
User avatar #42 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
What if he is able but not willing?

Either he is malcontent or we just can't understand the dimensions he is thinking in
#131 - shadowsumbraremade (12/10/2014) [-]
If we can't understand the dimension he thinks in, what makes you think he can understand ours? Especially considering he's supposedly playing with eternal damnation. Supposedly he's going to judge us using otherworldly logic and we're supposed to be held to standards through this metaphorical looking glass warped so badly he can't even think straight in this dimension? Yeah that's unfair and fucked up
User avatar #211 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/10/2014) [-]
Shit, I never looked at it from that perspective man, and I'm a professional Atheist.
User avatar #110 - YllekNayr (12/10/2014) [-]
It's almost like he made our moral compass, so we should be able to understand why he does something that can clearly be described as evil.

That, or he's lazy or he fucked up making us.
User avatar #99 - vycanismajoris (12/10/2014) [-]
>can't understand why god keeps making this world shitty
>let's keep adoring him just in case.
#69 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/09/2014) [-]
Why does everyone assume that just because we supposedly can't understand god's mind (because even though we can understand everything else with time, that's the one exception. Please.) that that means god suddenly defaults to benevolence?

Every time this deeply flawed point is made, I can't help but think of this video I saw of biologists pouring molten metal into a fire ant hive to get a 3D structure of what it was like. To the ants, the biologists were the equivalent of gods, doing something that was beyond the ants' capacity for understanding at the time. However, that doesn't mean what the scientists were doing was benevolent or malevolent; they just did not care. The ants were an invasive species, and even if they weren't they were just ants. If andovaredoras can't know god's mind enough to call him malevolent then you sure as hell can't know his mind enough to say that andovaredoras is off base.

Besides, no matter what way you split it, god knowingly created all evil in life and knowingly lets every bad thing in life happen. No benevolent being would do that. I remember reading an article a while back where a psychologist read all of the Old and New Testament and determined that god was a sociopath with psychopathic tendencies. If the Abrahamic god exists, that sounds about right to me.
#50 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
This can be considered relevant.
User avatar #56 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
>humans are incredibly small considering the universe
>god sets up rules for humans

I don't see a problem :S
I'm really sorry, but I gotta go now . I promise to reply tomorrow!
User avatar #62 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
>Humans are incredibly small considering the universe
Exactly that. An omnipotent being who is ''beyond'' the Universe wouldn't give an f about such a tiny dot in space, especially since we don't even know how many other planets with life there are out there.
User avatar #217 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
We haven't found any other forms of life outside od earth yet. So saying god is busy with other creations is quite hypothetical.

Also, God's attention is not limited. God won't get bored by us, that would be too human.
User avatar #220 - andovaredoras (12/10/2014) [-]
We haven't found other life due to the size of the Universe and our limited space travel capabilities.

Who is to say there is even a god, or if there aren't many gods instead. After all, there are many many religions in the world, each having their own stories...
User avatar #222 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
"....instead of replying to our topic ill just say that there is no proof for this kind of god"

Thanks for your input.
User avatar #225 - andovaredoras (12/10/2014) [-]
Its a valid question though. How can we know which one(s) is/are the correct one(s)?


And to answer your ''god's attention'' issue, i still stick to my opinion that an omnipotent creature would not care about us, since we would be worthless, unless it did Not create us. ''What do you think makes you so special compared to everyone else before and after you?'' is a question one can ask here.
User avatar #82 - delahk (12/09/2014) [-]
its all a matter of perspective really.
for example if god is omnipotent then creating us and creating the whole universe both are equally easy to him, maybe he created the whole universe for us just for the same reason we would create some small environment for animals in the zoo, but the difference is we are intelligent he cant just go around making something small for us we will just observe it and realize we are trapped in something, and sure the whole universe is amazing and all but we humans are the only thing with a will of its own and a mind that think and invent so i wouldn't say 'why would he give a fuck about us" because we are a special existence.
User avatar #84 - andovaredoras (12/10/2014) [-]
What about the countless amounts of planets in the Universe which could also support such intelligent life? Which has the most ''special existence'' then?
User avatar #87 - delahk (12/10/2014) [-]
as i said its all a matter of perspective, if you talking about it from the perspective that god created the universe then its depends on what was his will when he created it and not possibilities maybe he created all the universe with only us as the only intelligent life or maybe he created others alien life.
while if you talking about from the perspective that god doesn't exist then its only sits on the possibilities and hopes that we are not alone in the universe
User avatar #63 - adrianking (12/09/2014) [-]
That's like saying we shouldn't care about babies because they're small and don't know anything.

We're fucking sentient. That means a lot.
User avatar #64 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
An animal caring for its baby is a bit different than an atom praying to an elephant for wishes. ( = the scale.)
User avatar #67 - adrianking (12/09/2014) [-]
Your argument is based on the supposition that God couldn't possibly care about us just because we are lesser than him? What evidence do you have that that is the case?

Why is it that humanity in general cares for dogs, or cats? Smaller, factually less intelligent creatures than us?
User avatar #76 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/09/2014) [-]
>What evidence do you have that that is the case?

Well, by the Bible's own admissions humans fall far short of god's perfection and couldn't possibly know its mind. The gulf between god and us isn't the gulf between dogs and humans (mainly because I don't light my dog on fire when it doesn't lick my boot in the morning), but more like the gulf between a human and a virus. The virus is literally nothing; it doesn't even count as life by our ken. Why would I care any more about a single virus in the dirt than god would about humanity? And that's still not a sufficient comparison since god is tri-omni, meaning that it is everywhere, can do anything, and knows everything. Maybe a better comparison would be the Earth caring about one grain of sand on one of its beaches.
User avatar #78 - adrianking (12/09/2014) [-]
And why wouldn't Earth care about one grain of sand on one of its beaches.

You're making the assumption that God would think like we do. We may not care about viruses, but who's to say God wouldn't? You're assuming that God-an infinitely intelligent divine being-thinks like you would which, I'm sorry to say, is conceited.

There's a Bible verse-I can't remember which-that states that "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, and my ways are higher than your ways." It's blue-orange morality, we can't make the assumption that every possible sentient being in the Universe thinks and acts exactly like a human being does.
#85 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/10/2014) [-]
Because they are meaningless to it. In size, in bearing, in consequence, they have zero meaning. Like humanity to a god.

God thinks like us because we were made in the image of god (arguing from the space that god even exists in the first place). That would mean that we would at least think like god, much like your child would think like you, even if they were still young and not as smart. If thinking god thinks like me when_ the Bible says that we are like god_ is conceited, then how is it any less conceited to think god personally gives a shit about you? I find it much more conceited then me just going by what your own religion argues to think that god gives enough of a shit about your meaningless life to personally love, know, and care for you.

We can't. We can, however, when that being made us to be like it. This isn't like us meeting some aliens and assuming that they should be like us even though we have entirely different origins, it's like me assuming that someone's child will resemble the parent. It won't be a carbon copy, but it'll still be pretty fucking similar.
User avatar #88 - adrianking (12/10/2014) [-]
You used a good word in there. The word "child."

You know what is really meaningless? A child. Personally. A child, in size, in bearing, and in consequence, have zero justification to the parents personally. And yet, all around the world, regardless of religion, race, or standing, you will find parents loving and caring for these children who are the greatest burden imaginable.

Another comparison to draw from children is how, in spite of being practically clones of their parents, do not think like their parents, much like humans wouldn't think like God. Infants, for example, have no concept for object permanence, the most obvious thing in the world to a grown mind. It is not because the infant is stupid, is simply hasn't matured. So, if you're going to draw the comparison as God as the Father, and humanity as his children, realize that that is what we are: children. Immature, growing, learning children.

And, while I tried to avoid this, I noticed you used the Bible as reference for your argument, so let me reply in kind. Isaiah 55:8-9 8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. 9"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.…"
User avatar #71 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
Comment #69 is also very good.
User avatar #70 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
1) We didn't create dogs or cats. 2) We are not omnipotent.

So i'm just curious...if this so called ''god'' would care about everything equally (as its children or pets or whatever), why is it ''able but not willing'' (#40)?


A single omnipotent being would never be happy with anything it has created, knowing fully well how powerless they are against it: The entire Universe would be just like an illusion to it. If it can do it, it could also undo it, instantly.
User avatar #73 - adrianking (12/09/2014) [-]
1) Modern day cats and dogs? Actually, humans DID create those by selective breeding.
2) What's your argument here? That omnipotence robs a person of the ability to feel empathy? I honestly have no idea what you're trying to get across with this "point."

And the whole "able but not willing" argument is based on the illogical fallacy that God thinks like we do. I'm pretty sure a being capable of orchestrating the creation of EVERYTHING would have more complex thoughts than "these people are upset, that must be bad for them."

Lemme ask you something: have you ever seen a spoiled rich kid? A child who got everything he ever wanted just by asking? Who never had to work or toil or suffer a day in his life? They're pretty insufferable, aren't they? Do you think God wants an afterlife full of that?

And to your final point, yes, an omnipotent being could completely destroy the Universe instantly. But again, you're assuming that, like a human, God's a frustrated artist constantly erasing lines and grumbling about how it's "not quite right." But, since we're NOT God, we don't know what's going through his head. Maybe he's happy with the world as it is, and things are progressing as they should, from a perspective that we, as fallible humans, simply cannot share.
User avatar #79 - andovaredoras (12/09/2014) [-]
I wrote a long text as a response but then i was like ''nah forget it, this is gonna go on endlessly, and i need to get some sleep.''
User avatar #80 - adrianking (12/09/2014) [-]
Alright. Sleep well!
User avatar #41 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
Perfection right there.
User avatar #44 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
>>#42
User avatar #57 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
If God is so far above that we cant understand him, then this discussion becomes pointless as there's no "right answer" as you can just deflect it by saying "we dont understand the scale he is thinking of" and that gets boring. We were created "in his image" and considering how much interaction he has had with humans, for sake of argument, I'd say we could figure some of this shit out.

If God just doesnt help because he doesnt care, he aint no god of mine.
User avatar #59 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
There might be reasons we can't understand. But we can still try to find some. Like I did in#27
User avatar #60 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
This is all assuming God is real, which I don't believe he is, so its a massive discussion of hypothetical ideas.
User avatar #214 - alfonshister (12/10/2014) [-]
Yup. But as we see the existence of disease and pain aren't in contradiction with the existence of God.
User avatar #32 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
Now we're talking about numbers again. I'm not the creator to know why there are exactly this many diseases on earth, I don't know how to do the job better. That's why I won't complain, because my 'improved' version might be inferior.
Also, god really doesn't need anything on earth, but nevertheless it is his right to tell us what to do.
User avatar #36 - majordeadpool (12/09/2014) [-]
No, not really. Not anymore that its my right to beat a child just because I made it. A god doesnt have RIGHT to cause suffering, they may have the ability to do so, but why the hell would anyone worship a cruel and sadistic god? I'd say I could make a list of a few dozen people, who if put in charge of "making earth" they'd do a better job than what we have right now.

We have a buggy alpha build, filled with bugs and glitches.
User avatar #46 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
Also considering we basically now nothing about the human complexity I highly doubt your friends can create a better world.
User avatar #43 - alfonshister (12/09/2014) [-]
Mate. What's a better way to show someone that cutting yourself with a knife is dangerous than pain?
Also I don't remember where God told you to beat your child. I'm pretty sure that files as sin.
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