The only way we could destroy the planet is with multiple, simultaneous deep nuclear strikes

All we're doing right now is poisoning our biosphere

we're not destroying earth. nature will continue to change and adapt, even if the air becomes toxic. we're destroying ourselves.

We're destroying the earth from a perspective of needing nature to provide us with air & food to survive

We aren't altering the earths ability to recieve sun light energy, so robots wouldn't care

Robots dont have feelings and instincts you know
They have no self preservation instinct, so even if we were destroying them they wouldnt give a fuck

we reached comment chain length so replying here. The problem is that we are talking about rouge ai here, not controlled by people, and it's not going to wait around for people to start producing more storage. If it started reproducing without guidance and nobody stopped it it would fill the resources we currently have extremely quickly, far faster than more could be produced.

The thing is, computers calculate their actions better than humans do
They would before they start doing stuff do a calculation of storage and what they are doing
They would just start spamming out AI's en masse
Cause they have no reproductive instinct either

that's the point, is if an ai does, out of random chance or design, gain a reproductive instinct. also it would only care about running out of space if the ai valued other ai and was not 100% okay with just erasing older versions. given the starting conditions of desire for reproduction and a lot of time it would get to a point where it would continuously expand until it used all available resources just like every living creature does. even humans, smart as we think we are, reproduce when there are barely enough resources. Often even if that means stealing resources from someone else.

but assuming a singularity they would likely develop those instincts via evolution the same way everything else has. As soon as artificial intelligence can begin to reproduce at a rapid rate it will begin evolving just like everything else

Except it doesnt have any natural predators like organisms do
Nothing is gonna go around killing the ones that dont resist

eh, fair enough. although I imagine that having a desire to survive would make it harder to get rid of and/or make it continue to improve itself in order to last. At least at first people would essentially act as predators somewhat.

It wouldnt have any of that unless you programmed it to
And since people make the AI they can program them to not be able to consider certain things

well the point of this is if ai begins reproducing, not ai that is directly programmed.

Program the AI to always have to make sure shit cant do a certain thing etc.
As i said, there are ways to handle AI, just look at cerberus and EDI in mass effect
They just blocked of parts of her memorybanks and unplugged her from any system that could be used against humans

I'm not too concerned about AI honestly, I'm just saying that allowing ai to reproduce regularly will result in animal like instincts developing eventually unless we specifically prevent it. allowing ai to reproduce unmonitored essentially lets them evolve just like any other creature

Yeah, but again, the difference would be that there are no natural predator or really any dangers to them at all
So they wouldnt even have a concept of self defence or self preservation

they don't need to have predators outside of themselves if there are limited resources. seeing as AI has the potential to be able to reproduce at extremely rapid rates assuming it does not begin using physical resources to create more electronic ones somehow it will run out of space and begin competing.
I sincerely doubt this would happen simply because I don't think people would ever let ai break free completely and allow it truly free thought but if they did then just like every other thing that lives and ever has lived it will have to fight to stay alive

Really depends, with the interwebs we have almost unlimited storage capacity
An AI needs no physical presence outside of the electrons going through the web

yeah but "almost unlimited" is not that big if it begins reproducing thousands of times a day. At a rate of reproducing once and hour there would be 4.7x10^21 by the end of the third day.

Without self preservation instinct the waste of space will eventually get deleted, but you forget this is the singularity, they arent just inventing new AI, theyre inventing everything else as well, that includes storage capacity, compression software etc

but storage capacity is physical disks, unless it begins physically manufacturing things it will run out, you can only compress things so small

There is an infinitely big universe, but its also infinitely small
The better we become at science the bigger and smaller we can think
There is basically no question or problem that is unsolvable by science in the long run, especially after the singularity happens

People would put up a fight. It wouldn't exactly be wise to put resources into it.

That would mean we discover ways to adapt with the machines and possibly even utilize machines for our own bodies like a more in depth version of what we already do today. And space travel is coming up pretty soon, so I'd be cool with being a 200 year old Cyborg living on a dwarf planet similar to Earth.

I think its generally accepted that god-like or hyper intelligence in AI would actually result in them being benevolent rather than evil/destroying us.

And besides, you could just hit it a couple times with a hammer, and boom, humans win.

They have little reason to expend the energy to kill off a population when they can be doing better things.

The only way we could destroy the planet is with multiple, simultaneous deep nuclear strikes

All we're doing right now is poisoning our biosphere

we're not destroying earth. nature will continue to change and adapt, even if the air becomes toxic. we're destroying ourselves.

We're destroying the earth from a perspective of needing nature to provide us with air & food to survive

We aren't altering the earths ability to recieve sun light energy, so robots wouldn't care

Robots dont have feelings and instincts you know
They have no self preservation instinct, so even if we were destroying them they wouldnt give a fuck

we reached comment chain length so replying here. The problem is that we are talking about rouge ai here, not controlled by people, and it's not going to wait around for people to start producing more storage. If it started reproducing without guidance and nobody stopped it it would fill the resources we currently have extremely quickly, far faster than more could be produced.

The thing is, computers calculate their actions better than humans do
They would before they start doing stuff do a calculation of storage and what they are doing
They would just start spamming out AI's en masse
Cause they have no reproductive instinct either

that's the point, is if an ai does, out of random chance or design, gain a reproductive instinct. also it would only care about running out of space if the ai valued other ai and was not 100% okay with just erasing older versions. given the starting conditions of desire for reproduction and a lot of time it would get to a point where it would continuously expand until it used all available resources just like every living creature does. even humans, smart as we think we are, reproduce when there are barely enough resources. Often even if that means stealing resources from someone else.

but assuming a singularity they would likely develop those instincts via evolution the same way everything else has. As soon as artificial intelligence can begin to reproduce at a rapid rate it will begin evolving just like everything else

Except it doesnt have any natural predators like organisms do
Nothing is gonna go around killing the ones that dont resist

eh, fair enough. although I imagine that having a desire to survive would make it harder to get rid of and/or make it continue to improve itself in order to last. At least at first people would essentially act as predators somewhat.

It wouldnt have any of that unless you programmed it to
And since people make the AI they can program them to not be able to consider certain things

well the point of this is if ai begins reproducing, not ai that is directly programmed.

Program the AI to always have to make sure shit cant do a certain thing etc.
As i said, there are ways to handle AI, just look at cerberus and EDI in mass effect
They just blocked of parts of her memorybanks and unplugged her from any system that could be used against humans

I'm not too concerned about AI honestly, I'm just saying that allowing ai to reproduce regularly will result in animal like instincts developing eventually unless we specifically prevent it. allowing ai to reproduce unmonitored essentially lets them evolve just like any other creature

Yeah, but again, the difference would be that there are no natural predator or really any dangers to them at all
So they wouldnt even have a concept of self defence or self preservation

they don't need to have predators outside of themselves if there are limited resources. seeing as AI has the potential to be able to reproduce at extremely rapid rates assuming it does not begin using physical resources to create more electronic ones somehow it will run out of space and begin competing.
I sincerely doubt this would happen simply because I don't think people would ever let ai break free completely and allow it truly free thought but if they did then just like every other thing that lives and ever has lived it will have to fight to stay alive

Really depends, with the interwebs we have almost unlimited storage capacity
An AI needs no physical presence outside of the electrons going through the web

yeah but "almost unlimited" is not that big if it begins reproducing thousands of times a day. At a rate of reproducing once and hour there would be 4.7x10^21 by the end of the third day.

Without self preservation instinct the waste of space will eventually get deleted, but you forget this is the singularity, they arent just inventing new AI, theyre inventing everything else as well, that includes storage capacity, compression software etc

but storage capacity is physical disks, unless it begins physically manufacturing things it will run out, you can only compress things so small

There is an infinitely big universe, but its also infinitely small
The better we become at science the bigger and smaller we can think
There is basically no question or problem that is unsolvable by science in the long run, especially after the singularity happens

People would put up a fight. It wouldn't exactly be wise to put resources into it.

You are looking for Roll20.net , not .com

Well then it's mania/bipolar disorder, not exactly clinical insanity but still dangerous if untreated.
And why? Cuz insanity DOES lead to the harming of others, you may be able to rangle yourself now, but what happens months or years down the road where you have let yourself go so far as to not at all be in touch with society?

Well then it's mania/bipolar disorder, not exactly clinical insanity but still dangerous if untreated.
And why? Cuz insanity DOES lead to the harming of others, you may be able to rangle yourself now, but what happens months or years down the road where you have let yourself go so far as to not at all be in touch with society?