haha for sure, in every place some things work bad, but if people don't make an effort to make it better it will never be. I don't understand why every time someone propose to make a public health system or whatever, he is accused of being a communist or something like that, like... that's not the attittude. In Europe we've had public services since the 50's and nothing's wrong, we haven't become the Soviet Union or anything.

You have a big rich country with lots of good things but also you have a quite high poverty rate and educational standars which not correspond to your real level. I am sure that, taking in account that you are patriotic hard-working people, you could have the best public system in world. But you just don't want that. And I don't understand it.

Odds are that we didn't just plop them down in your lap. Negotiations happened. Wherever you are, it's likely that either you had a standing treaty via NATO or the UN that permitted the allocation of military resources, or someone in your government said "actually, we'd rather have the tanks than not, bring em in"

Not trying to start shit, I would like to have a rational discussion about this, you have piqued my curiosity.

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Hey, I said it was likely or could ever happen. I am just saying at this point it would be really nice.

I think the exact point you are making really highlights some of the broader issues with have with the system. I am all for a restructuring of our tax system. I have no clue how one would redo our tax system, that is for someone far smarter and know more about taxes and goverment than I do. As for Obamacare many people over look the fact that it is basically identical to a republican healthcare proposal from the 90s, so it is going to favor private healthcare systems more. I am not saying it is perfect, but I do think it helps more than it hurts. I don't know if we need to fix it or redo it. I just think for now it is better than the old system or nothing at all.

Perhaps someone with a background in economics should design it. Good luck selling that to the feds. Check out the list of federal agencies and their responsibilities, it is absurd and about 75% redundant. 4.5 million employees and counting, just federal. More than double that when you count state and county employees. They are really really bad at accomplishing much of anything.

Hey, I said it was likely or could ever happen. I am just saying at this point it would be really nice.

College should be treated like highschool 2.0, since that's all state college is. 90% of classes are no different than high school; with some teachers having predilection for mandatory attendance and such, making it even more apparent.
The working world in the US as stands treats a college degree not as a guarantee of higher understanding in the field, but as a passport for if you do not have one, regardless of experience or talent, they will not even consider you.
The working world also over the years has 'standardized' moving into the work world, with a college degree for anything and everything, no matter how useless - women's studies, american studies, music therapy, dance, english literature and english in general, latin, philosophy.
So many college degrees have no reason to be -
>Some are just plain stupid like women's studies or american studies, since there are already respectable fields covering them (history and sociology in this case)
>Some aren't worth the time and effort - why specialize in a dead language?
>Some are too transient to teach - philosophy
>Some are too narrow a field for a degree - golf enterprise management
>Some teach you the idea of a field, not the profession - english literature
I went to college for three years before dropping out, I had no clear goal in life, and refuse to get a worthless degree for the sake of having one.
You say creating free uni gives the gov't too much control and that they're dumb but answer me this -
>If the stupid don't already have control over colleges, why are there 'general education' requirements?
>Why are these stupid, pointless, and redundant majors let exist?
>Why do you think that the "University of your state here" isn't already owned and controlled by the state's government?

we get it, you don't like sharing. But the thing is, having a smarter populace will benefit everyone in the long run. For fuck's sake, the US is not even in the top 25 in math or science. And you can't say it isn't doable, because nearly every developed European country has significantly cheaper higher education. Yes, they pay more taxes, but they get education from it. All we get are bullets for soldiers. but seriously go look at bernie sanders' stances and funding, he is the only candidate not vastly supported by big banks and millionaires.

You americans are afraid of public things but they can be very good. In Spain the thing with public and private universities is the other way, if you went to a private university people will think that you didn't get high enough marks to get in a public one and your daddy paid it for you.

Government here doesn't control the curriculum, they just have power on things like how many years it takes a degree, but every university is free to make their own curriculum and teachers are the ones who decide what to include in their subject.

I think you are being realistic with money and taxes, but maybe you, as a nation, should demand to your leaders a change in expenditures, maybe a reduction in military expend or whatever to finance a good public education, like every other country in Europe and many other in the rest of the world. It is posible.

Don't let them lie to you, taxes are for giving every person an opportunity in their lifes, not to maintain their asses in a good chair. Public expenditures are not the devil, it's just that things have to be done well.

haha for sure, in every place some things work bad, but if people don't make an effort to make it better it will never be. I don't understand why every time someone propose to make a public health system or whatever, he is accused of being a communist or something like that, like... that's not the attittude. In Europe we've had public services since the 50's and nothing's wrong, we haven't become the Soviet Union or anything.

You have a big rich country with lots of good things but also you have a quite high poverty rate and educational standars which not correspond to your real level. I am sure that, taking in account that you are patriotic hard-working people, you could have the best public system in world. But you just don't want that. And I don't understand it.

"the government controls the curriculum." sorry mate you have clearly no idea how public universitys works.

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1. The curriculum issue can easily be remedied by the introduction of the educator created curriculum. Like for example in charter schools, having gone to a charter school myself (high school) I found myself greatly educated for free, the only cost maintain the grades. If you don't know charter schools, are allowed a great deal of freedom in their educational goals and procedures, that must be outlined within their charter and of course approved that they meet the standards of the U.S government.

2. Can easily be solved if we ever decide to have a balanced budget ever again, or we could crackdown on the huge outsourcing issues that major corporations are being drawn to, or we could heavily cut the military spending, (note- not the upkeep of current forces but the R&D budget which is about 70% of the current budget to my knowledge)

3. see charter schooling, as well as the fact that private schools only do marginally better than public schooling, the real factors that lead to that, are typically parents tend to send their children who are "gifted" to go there as they fell it would be a better enviroment, thus skewing the results, when controling for this, we get to pretty even results. nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/studies/2006461.pdf

4. agree, common core is garbage.

Listen you piece of shit.
Our nation could easily start having the issue of a brain drain with the problem of for profit colleges increasing tuition at a rate far greater than inflation to where it would be cheaper to move abroad and go to college than study here. The public education system here is a joke. I attended a mix of private and public primary schooling and saw the difference at an early stage. It is also a large assumption that suddenly what education comes from college level learning would suddenly take some sort of sharp turn because it is being overseen by the government. Last I checked the military is also overseen by them and they are doing very well.
Second is that you may feel like so many others that degrees are just falling from the fucking sky because an overwhelming population feel the need to go get a BS in underwater basket weaving, but that is far better than the alternative. I would personally like to feel a challenge when applying for jobs against a large market of other highly qualified applicants. With all the whining that if there is any more forces that make it tougher for businesses they will move to other countries, it's a wonder why the same isn't thought of the intellectuals.
It would be far better for our economy for it to have an increased amount of citizens in jobs that are more mentally challenging than physically. I would imagine more engineers per capita would do a fuck of a lot more for the GDP than a high percentage of garbage collectors. I personally would like to live in a city where everyone is tech savvy and that there is a higher number of network engineers than construction workers. I don't see that happening when high schoolers are graduating and looking at either immediate full time employment or more schooling that isn't only going to be tough as it should be but also put them in so much fucking debt that they can't shit without whoever they took loans from try to shove bills up their asses.
Taxpayers may initially have a slightly tougher time with a little extra tax from sending students through college for free, but that will be made up with the stronger work force paying for the old crotchety faggots retirement.

Your country most probably took money we offered in exchange for having troops stationed there. Basically you work for us.

why the black text asshole

Not American

The US only spends 4% of their GDP on military, 5%, maybe, if they are planning on going through with a heavy war.

The US GDP is $17.7 trillion, pretty high, and can afford to have a large army.

Odds are that we didn't just plop them down in your lap. Negotiations happened. Wherever you are, it's likely that either you had a standing treaty via NATO or the UN that permitted the allocation of military resources, or someone in your government said "actually, we'd rather have the tanks than not, bring em in"

Not trying to start shit, I would like to have a rational discussion about this, you have piqued my curiosity.

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Sure, your arguments sound good. But it's still just excuses for protecting "muh moneys". 3/4 of your arguments are just complaining about "standards". Sure they might be low, but in time they will get higher. i.e when my dad went to school they just learned some basic stuff from a common housewife. (this was when children still was supposed to work instead of studying in the U.S) Now our educationalsystem tops the charts. (Finland.) Smarter generations build even smarter generations - simple as that!


As long as there are you people complaining about "muh moneys" there will be no change in the american educationalsystems/future.



This was my first, and shall be my last comment on this post.

Hard to argue with any of that, you seem to be well informed, but i have to say there is no reason we cant have a subsidized higher education system alongside a private system. we have that right now for K-12. While that system isn't 100% perfect it still give people an option. while it is true that you can get jobs on just a high-school diploma it is getting harder to get ones that pay enough to live comfortably. Also there will always be people like myself that have to peruse higher education to event get into the field they want. With public and private options for higher education you have the choice of "free" collage and a decent job, or paying money going to a private school and be able to get a better job from a better education. while this does create the problem of people with money having better education and opportunities that is an entirely different argument.

I think the exact point you are making really highlights some of the broader issues with have with the system. I am all for a restructuring of our tax system. I have no clue how one would redo our tax system, that is for someone far smarter and know more about taxes and goverment than I do. As for Obamacare many people over look the fact that it is basically identical to a republican healthcare proposal from the 90s, so it is going to favor private healthcare systems more. I am not saying it is perfect, but I do think it helps more than it hurts. I don't know if we need to fix it or redo it. I just think for now it is better than the old system or nothing at all.

Perhaps someone with a background in economics should design it. Good luck selling that to the feds. Check out the list of federal agencies and their responsibilities, it is absurd and about 75% redundant. 4.5 million employees and counting, just federal. More than double that when you count state and county employees. They are really really bad at accomplishing much of anything.

Hey, I said it was likely or could ever happen. I am just saying at this point it would be really nice.

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rest in piece you glorious villain, you! :'(