It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

"the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low" Remember kids, just say no to double negatives, then they become triples, and everything's fine

That's good for you. Really, I'm glad.

But making him have to haul you out of the water as difficult as possible if someone happens to you is kind of an asshole move if you think about it, isn't it?

I don't intentionally put myself in the situation where I'm injured, I put myself in the situation where there is more risk than is necessary. Probably due to carelessness, trying to seem 'cool', I don't know.

This isn't just about you, actually.
In a group and a potentially dangerous situation, you have responsibility to the others.

Dude, I've been inside burning buildings knowing there's a buddy trusting me blindly.
I fuck up, he might die. I'm careless and injure myself and I'm putting the others in danger having to get me out.
Putting up warning signs on the road while the others are there cutting people out of the wrecks isn't glorious work, but if I fuck up I might get all of them killed.
Therefore reflective vest and careful walking instead of running.

Same thing with you. Imagine someone gets hurt because of having to help you.
You don't wanna do that to anyone.

You're clearly more experienced in these situations than I am, which is undeniable. One part of me tells me to keep safe. But the other half wants me to push my boundaries.

" But the other half wants me to push my boundaries."

Fuck that half. It's not worth it if someone else has to pay for it.

"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

- Bruce Lee

Where is the point you should stop pushing your boundaries? If you never did you would be ordinary, not extraordinary. I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made.

The point is when you affect and endanger others.
Just like Bruce Lee would have never made a lethal blow against a training partner.
That's what Darth Vader would do, if you excuse that fictional example.

"I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made."
Neither would I. I couldn't live with someone suffering for my mistakes.
But you know what? My buddies could never live with letting anyone behind either, hell, that's why we did what we did in the first place. And I fucking know they wouldn't have hesitated. If I wasn't atheist I'd praise the lord and give thanks push never came to shove.

If you've got a bunch of heartless assholes, then you may be able to pull it off, but don't count on good people being selfish and heartless. Won't work.

Ok now we're on a similar page, all this time I thought you were against pushing boundaries. I can stop this rant now.

The only information that you know of me is that I prefer not to wear life jackets, so don't hold any prejudice.

Freeclimbing someone is guaranteed to die as well.
Gravity is always in effect, grip strength or balance can fail. That's your guarantee right there.

Hell yeah I'm not used to putting myself in danger to no avail. Why the hell would I?
Doesn't mean I have a boring life, if that's what you're playing at.
Years in the firebrigade, military service, now sporadic weightlifting, climbing and archery while I wait for university to start next month.
That's kind of what I do at the moment.

Still, safety is always highest concern. I'd hate to cripple myself or injure others through neglect.

That isn't guarantee, that's a possibility. In russian roulette there is a bullet which WILL kill one or more of the competitors.

I would never even consider free climbing, for the same reason as you, though I love to do lead climbing.

It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

How can I whistle for help if I have a heart attack? I've had leg cramp while swimming and you know what I did? Tread water. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm ALWAYS with someone, of which are qualified in beach lifeguarding, same as me. Knowledgeable of how to handle a situation such as this.

That's good for you. Really, I'm glad.

But making him have to haul you out of the water as difficult as possible if someone happens to you is kind of an asshole move if you think about it, isn't it?

I don't intentionally put myself in the situation where I'm injured, I put myself in the situation where there is more risk than is necessary. Probably due to carelessness, trying to seem 'cool', I don't know.

This isn't just about you, actually.
In a group and a potentially dangerous situation, you have responsibility to the others.

Dude, I've been inside burning buildings knowing there's a buddy trusting me blindly.
I fuck up, he might die. I'm careless and injure myself and I'm putting the others in danger having to get me out.
Putting up warning signs on the road while the others are there cutting people out of the wrecks isn't glorious work, but if I fuck up I might get all of them killed.
Therefore reflective vest and careful walking instead of running.

Same thing with you. Imagine someone gets hurt because of having to help you.
You don't wanna do that to anyone.

You're clearly more experienced in these situations than I am, which is undeniable. One part of me tells me to keep safe. But the other half wants me to push my boundaries.

" But the other half wants me to push my boundaries."

Fuck that half. It's not worth it if someone else has to pay for it.

"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

- Bruce Lee

Where is the point you should stop pushing your boundaries? If you never did you would be ordinary, not extraordinary. I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made.

The point is when you affect and endanger others.
Just like Bruce Lee would have never made a lethal blow against a training partner.
That's what Darth Vader would do, if you excuse that fictional example.

"I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made."
Neither would I. I couldn't live with someone suffering for my mistakes.
But you know what? My buddies could never live with letting anyone behind either, hell, that's why we did what we did in the first place. And I fucking know they wouldn't have hesitated. If I wasn't atheist I'd praise the lord and give thanks push never came to shove.

If you've got a bunch of heartless assholes, then you may be able to pull it off, but don't count on good people being selfish and heartless. Won't work.

Ok now we're on a similar page, all this time I thought you were against pushing boundaries. I can stop this rant now.

They aren't irrelevant but the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low that there is little need to take so much pre-caution.

Red thumbs mean people disagree with what I'm saying or think it's stupid, not to stop.

"the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low" Remember kids, just say no to double negatives, then they become triples, and everything's fine

It's not even out of context, what are you talking about?
They are idiots as well for needlessly putting themselves in danger.
As are people playing Russian roulette, same principle.

Sorry, but that's kind of a definition.

No, Russian roulette someone is guaranteed to die. It is a different way of life, one you're clearly not used to.

Tell me, what do you do on a daily basis?

The only information that you know of me is that I prefer not to wear life jackets, so don't hold any prejudice.

Freeclimbing someone is guaranteed to die as well.
Gravity is always in effect, grip strength or balance can fail. That's your guarantee right there.

Hell yeah I'm not used to putting myself in danger to no avail. Why the hell would I?
Doesn't mean I have a boring life, if that's what you're playing at.
Years in the firebrigade, military service, now sporadic weightlifting, climbing and archery while I wait for university to start next month.
That's kind of what I do at the moment.

Still, safety is always highest concern. I'd hate to cripple myself or injure others through neglect.

That isn't guarantee, that's a possibility. In russian roulette there is a bullet which WILL kill one or more of the competitors.

I would never even consider free climbing, for the same reason as you, though I love to do lead climbing.

It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

And regarding the dangerous jellyfish, if all my vital organs stopped I'd be fucked regardless.

How can I whistle for help if I have a heart attack? I've had leg cramp while swimming and you know what I did? Tread water. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm ALWAYS with someone, of which are qualified in beach lifeguarding, same as me. Knowledgeable of how to handle a situation such as this.

That's good for you. Really, I'm glad.

But making him have to haul you out of the water as difficult as possible if someone happens to you is kind of an asshole move if you think about it, isn't it?

I don't intentionally put myself in the situation where I'm injured, I put myself in the situation where there is more risk than is necessary. Probably due to carelessness, trying to seem 'cool', I don't know.

This isn't just about you, actually.
In a group and a potentially dangerous situation, you have responsibility to the others.

Dude, I've been inside burning buildings knowing there's a buddy trusting me blindly.
I fuck up, he might die. I'm careless and injure myself and I'm putting the others in danger having to get me out.
Putting up warning signs on the road while the others are there cutting people out of the wrecks isn't glorious work, but if I fuck up I might get all of them killed.
Therefore reflective vest and careful walking instead of running.

Same thing with you. Imagine someone gets hurt because of having to help you.
You don't wanna do that to anyone.

You're clearly more experienced in these situations than I am, which is undeniable. One part of me tells me to keep safe. But the other half wants me to push my boundaries.

" But the other half wants me to push my boundaries."

Fuck that half. It's not worth it if someone else has to pay for it.

"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

- Bruce Lee

Where is the point you should stop pushing your boundaries? If you never did you would be ordinary, not extraordinary. I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made.

The point is when you affect and endanger others.
Just like Bruce Lee would have never made a lethal blow against a training partner.
That's what Darth Vader would do, if you excuse that fictional example.

"I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made."
Neither would I. I couldn't live with someone suffering for my mistakes.
But you know what? My buddies could never live with letting anyone behind either, hell, that's why we did what we did in the first place. And I fucking know they wouldn't have hesitated. If I wasn't atheist I'd praise the lord and give thanks push never came to shove.

If you've got a bunch of heartless assholes, then you may be able to pull it off, but don't count on good people being selfish and heartless. Won't work.

Ok now we're on a similar page, all this time I thought you were against pushing boundaries. I can stop this rant now.

I didn't mention them because they were irrelevant to the subject, you clearly don't know the context in which you are talking about. Box jelly fish and PMWs do NOT go where I go tombstoning, they are very far out in the sea.

They aren't irrelevant but the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low that there is little need to take so much pre-caution.

Red thumbs mean people disagree with what I'm saying or think it's stupid, not to stop.

"the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low" Remember kids, just say no to double negatives, then they become triples, and everything's fine

Are you telling me you willingly embrace your irrationality and needlessly endanger your life for fun?

You are a complete idiot if that is so.

When you take it out of context it sounds idiotic, but take free climbing for example. They aren't idiots, they are fully in control of what they are doing, but accidents happen. It's all for thrills.

It's not even out of context, what are you talking about?
They are idiots as well for needlessly putting themselves in danger.
As are people playing Russian roulette, same principle.

Sorry, but that's kind of a definition.

No, Russian roulette someone is guaranteed to die. It is a different way of life, one you're clearly not used to.

Tell me, what do you do on a daily basis?

The only information that you know of me is that I prefer not to wear life jackets, so don't hold any prejudice.

Freeclimbing someone is guaranteed to die as well.
Gravity is always in effect, grip strength or balance can fail. That's your guarantee right there.

Hell yeah I'm not used to putting myself in danger to no avail. Why the hell would I?
Doesn't mean I have a boring life, if that's what you're playing at.
Years in the firebrigade, military service, now sporadic weightlifting, climbing and archery while I wait for university to start next month.
That's kind of what I do at the moment.

Still, safety is always highest concern. I'd hate to cripple myself or injure others through neglect.

That isn't guarantee, that's a possibility. In russian roulette there is a bullet which WILL kill one or more of the competitors.

I would never even consider free climbing, for the same reason as you, though I love to do lead climbing.

It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

I assume you're 'iidonteven' so just refer to comment #17.

And I never said I underestimated the sea, I completely respect it and am aware of how much power it holds.

I've lived on this island for all 16 years of my life, I'm aware there are conga eels, box jelly fish and PMWs. The thing is, PMWs are incredibly easy to spot, box jelly fish are only real dangers when diving, same as PMWs really; and conga eels? Well personally I've never seen one and regardless if I had a life jacket or not I'd be in pretty deep shit.

And regarding the dangerous jellyfish, if all my vital organs stopped I'd be fucked regardless.

How can I whistle for help if I have a heart attack? I've had leg cramp while swimming and you know what I did? Tread water. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm ALWAYS with someone, of which are qualified in beach lifeguarding, same as me. Knowledgeable of how to handle a situation such as this.

That's good for you. Really, I'm glad.

But making him have to haul you out of the water as difficult as possible if someone happens to you is kind of an asshole move if you think about it, isn't it?

I don't intentionally put myself in the situation where I'm injured, I put myself in the situation where there is more risk than is necessary. Probably due to carelessness, trying to seem 'cool', I don't know.

This isn't just about you, actually.
In a group and a potentially dangerous situation, you have responsibility to the others.

Dude, I've been inside burning buildings knowing there's a buddy trusting me blindly.
I fuck up, he might die. I'm careless and injure myself and I'm putting the others in danger having to get me out.
Putting up warning signs on the road while the others are there cutting people out of the wrecks isn't glorious work, but if I fuck up I might get all of them killed.
Therefore reflective vest and careful walking instead of running.

Same thing with you. Imagine someone gets hurt because of having to help you.
You don't wanna do that to anyone.

You're clearly more experienced in these situations than I am, which is undeniable. One part of me tells me to keep safe. But the other half wants me to push my boundaries.

" But the other half wants me to push my boundaries."

Fuck that half. It's not worth it if someone else has to pay for it.

"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

- Bruce Lee

Where is the point you should stop pushing your boundaries? If you never did you would be ordinary, not extraordinary. I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made.

The point is when you affect and endanger others.
Just like Bruce Lee would have never made a lethal blow against a training partner.
That's what Darth Vader would do, if you excuse that fictional example.

"I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made."
Neither would I. I couldn't live with someone suffering for my mistakes.
But you know what? My buddies could never live with letting anyone behind either, hell, that's why we did what we did in the first place. And I fucking know they wouldn't have hesitated. If I wasn't atheist I'd praise the lord and give thanks push never came to shove.

If you've got a bunch of heartless assholes, then you may be able to pull it off, but don't count on good people being selfish and heartless. Won't work.

Ok now we're on a similar page, all this time I thought you were against pushing boundaries. I can stop this rant now.

I didn't mention them because they were irrelevant to the subject, you clearly don't know the context in which you are talking about. Box jelly fish and PMWs do NOT go where I go tombstoning, they are very far out in the sea.

They aren't irrelevant but the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low that there is little need to take so much pre-caution.

Red thumbs mean people disagree with what I'm saying or think it's stupid, not to stop.

"the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low" Remember kids, just say no to double negatives, then they become triples, and everything's fine

Why would you deprive yourself of options when it come to something so crucial as safety?
I don't understand.

I'm only 16, the stereotype of teenagers thinking they are invincible is pretty concrete. I do these things for fun and life jackets and helmets seem to remove that aspect for me.

Are you telling me you willingly embrace your irrationality and needlessly endanger your life for fun?

You are a complete idiot if that is so.

When you take it out of context it sounds idiotic, but take free climbing for example. They aren't idiots, they are fully in control of what they are doing, but accidents happen. It's all for thrills.

It's not even out of context, what are you talking about?
They are idiots as well for needlessly putting themselves in danger.
As are people playing Russian roulette, same principle.

Sorry, but that's kind of a definition.

No, Russian roulette someone is guaranteed to die. It is a different way of life, one you're clearly not used to.

Tell me, what do you do on a daily basis?

The only information that you know of me is that I prefer not to wear life jackets, so don't hold any prejudice.

Freeclimbing someone is guaranteed to die as well.
Gravity is always in effect, grip strength or balance can fail. That's your guarantee right there.

Hell yeah I'm not used to putting myself in danger to no avail. Why the hell would I?
Doesn't mean I have a boring life, if that's what you're playing at.
Years in the firebrigade, military service, now sporadic weightlifting, climbing and archery while I wait for university to start next month.
That's kind of what I do at the moment.

Still, safety is always highest concern. I'd hate to cripple myself or injure others through neglect.

That isn't guarantee, that's a possibility. In russian roulette there is a bullet which WILL kill one or more of the competitors.

I would never even consider free climbing, for the same reason as you, though I love to do lead climbing.

It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

If I was alone, fair enough, but I never do potentially dangerous activities alone. I live on the channel islands, Jersey specifically and the most dangerous sea animal out there is probably a jelly fish. And I'm not talking box jellyfish, I'm talking about the type which hurts less than a bee sting. I'm also aware of the risk I take not wearing a life jacket, and that shit does happen; to me it's just an inconvenience.

I assume you're 'iidonteven' so just refer to comment #17.

And I never said I underestimated the sea, I completely respect it and am aware of how much power it holds.

I've lived on this island for all 16 years of my life, I'm aware there are conga eels, box jelly fish and PMWs. The thing is, PMWs are incredibly easy to spot, box jelly fish are only real dangers when diving, same as PMWs really; and conga eels? Well personally I've never seen one and regardless if I had a life jacket or not I'd be in pretty deep shit.

And regarding the dangerous jellyfish, if all my vital organs stopped I'd be fucked regardless.

How can I whistle for help if I have a heart attack? I've had leg cramp while swimming and you know what I did? Tread water. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm ALWAYS with someone, of which are qualified in beach lifeguarding, same as me. Knowledgeable of how to handle a situation such as this.

That's good for you. Really, I'm glad.

But making him have to haul you out of the water as difficult as possible if someone happens to you is kind of an asshole move if you think about it, isn't it?

I don't intentionally put myself in the situation where I'm injured, I put myself in the situation where there is more risk than is necessary. Probably due to carelessness, trying to seem 'cool', I don't know.

This isn't just about you, actually.
In a group and a potentially dangerous situation, you have responsibility to the others.

Dude, I've been inside burning buildings knowing there's a buddy trusting me blindly.
I fuck up, he might die. I'm careless and injure myself and I'm putting the others in danger having to get me out.
Putting up warning signs on the road while the others are there cutting people out of the wrecks isn't glorious work, but if I fuck up I might get all of them killed.
Therefore reflective vest and careful walking instead of running.

Same thing with you. Imagine someone gets hurt because of having to help you.
You don't wanna do that to anyone.

You're clearly more experienced in these situations than I am, which is undeniable. One part of me tells me to keep safe. But the other half wants me to push my boundaries.

" But the other half wants me to push my boundaries."

Fuck that half. It's not worth it if someone else has to pay for it.

"If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

- Bruce Lee

Where is the point you should stop pushing your boundaries? If you never did you would be ordinary, not extraordinary. I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made.

The point is when you affect and endanger others.
Just like Bruce Lee would have never made a lethal blow against a training partner.
That's what Darth Vader would do, if you excuse that fictional example.

"I would not wish for someone to risk themselves to save me due to a mistake I made."
Neither would I. I couldn't live with someone suffering for my mistakes.
But you know what? My buddies could never live with letting anyone behind either, hell, that's why we did what we did in the first place. And I fucking know they wouldn't have hesitated. If I wasn't atheist I'd praise the lord and give thanks push never came to shove.

If you've got a bunch of heartless assholes, then you may be able to pull it off, but don't count on good people being selfish and heartless. Won't work.

Ok now we're on a similar page, all this time I thought you were against pushing boundaries. I can stop this rant now.

I didn't mention them because they were irrelevant to the subject, you clearly don't know the context in which you are talking about. Box jelly fish and PMWs do NOT go where I go tombstoning, they are very far out in the sea.

They aren't irrelevant but the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low that there is little need to take so much pre-caution.

Red thumbs mean people disagree with what I'm saying or think it's stupid, not to stop.

"the unlikelihood of it's happening is so low" Remember kids, just say no to double negatives, then they become triples, and everything's fine

Why would you deprive yourself of options when it come to something so crucial as safety?
I don't understand.

I'm only 16, the stereotype of teenagers thinking they are invincible is pretty concrete. I do these things for fun and life jackets and helmets seem to remove that aspect for me.

Are you telling me you willingly embrace your irrationality and needlessly endanger your life for fun?

You are a complete idiot if that is so.

When you take it out of context it sounds idiotic, but take free climbing for example. They aren't idiots, they are fully in control of what they are doing, but accidents happen. It's all for thrills.

It's not even out of context, what are you talking about?
They are idiots as well for needlessly putting themselves in danger.
As are people playing Russian roulette, same principle.

Sorry, but that's kind of a definition.

No, Russian roulette someone is guaranteed to die. It is a different way of life, one you're clearly not used to.

Tell me, what do you do on a daily basis?

The only information that you know of me is that I prefer not to wear life jackets, so don't hold any prejudice.

Freeclimbing someone is guaranteed to die as well.
Gravity is always in effect, grip strength or balance can fail. That's your guarantee right there.

Hell yeah I'm not used to putting myself in danger to no avail. Why the hell would I?
Doesn't mean I have a boring life, if that's what you're playing at.
Years in the firebrigade, military service, now sporadic weightlifting, climbing and archery while I wait for university to start next month.
That's kind of what I do at the moment.

Still, safety is always highest concern. I'd hate to cripple myself or injure others through neglect.

That isn't guarantee, that's a possibility. In russian roulette there is a bullet which WILL kill one or more of the competitors.

I would never even consider free climbing, for the same reason as you, though I love to do lead climbing.

It is a possibility that the individual dies, but the guarantee that someone will fall and die in both. Whether you are killed by the kinetic energy of a metal slug or your own impacting the ground doesn't make a difference.

It's a gamble with death itself, and a completely unnecessary one in both cases.

Both of which I don't do and never will do.

Yet you go sea kayaking without a lifevest.

I'll let you in on a secret,

That is bullshit, I don't own a sea kayak, it was simply something to enhance the clarity of my opinion. I've only ever rented kayaks in which it is compulsory to wear a life jacket, to which I comply.

That changes nothing if you think about it.
This is a debate about attitude and safety reasoning, not practice.

Ok, let me get this straight. If someone's life was under my responsibility I wouldn't think twice about strapping them up with a helmet, shoes and life jacket before going out. I do not think for a moment that companies such as Jersey Adventures (A local company who takes groups out kayaking and such) is unnecessarily preparing the people who are participating. I completely agree with their methods. If I was in the same situation, I'd take the same pre-cautions. But it's the trust in my friends and myself that stops me from putting all the advised safety gear on. It's the same reason people choose not to wear a seatbelt: Comfort and trust.

That's complacent, idiotic and completely irresponsible.
You might think it's your personal decision because it's only affecting you, but it isn't because it doesn't.

Don't be the weak link in the chain.

If you read the whole message you'd realise I think safety is more important than comfort and trust, and you think I'm ignorant.

Hate to attack your argument, but you're wrong.
The revolvers cylinder is only spun once, meaning the maximum number of possible turns is 6.
Russian roulette ends with a corpse. Always.

I never said I know everything. I worded one of my comments badly which made it seem like I think I'm invincible, which is highly false. I am aware that there is always the CHANCE of something going wrong, but I can't put it into words why I choose to do these things.

Oh well. You know what I meant.

It's only a joke, not to be taken seriously.

only the dead will know peace from this huehuehue