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krobeles

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Date Signed Up:8/08/2012
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#76 - Yes! Lets encourage people to be weak and spineless little …  [+] (2 new replies) 05/10/2015 on Depression is quiet -2
#109 - cigma (05/11/2015) [-]
there's a big diference between a whinny little bitch and a clinicaly depressed person. Depressed people almost never complain or whine that's why most people never find out until they're hanging from the roof or have an episode.
User avatar #94 - velutluna (05/10/2015) [-]
I think this is mainly talking about speaking to someone about it before standing on your own. You had to rely on some adult to carry you before you could crawl, then walk. Dealing with Depression is similar. You feel terrible and that you're just a bother. That the world would want you dead, or you constantly see people with these judgmental stares and all you can think is "What did I do?" You feel like apologizing for your very existence. Of course these feelings can lead to suicidal thoughts. The scariest part about these thoughts is that you really don't care. You think "It'd be so easy to go into the kitchen and get a knife" or "I could mix chemicals into my drink"..the whole time there's a certain level of apathy about it. Talking to someone about these feelings is necessary. People with Depression feel that no one cares. It's the people who put themselves out there..to help and to be a shoulder to cry on, that really stand out and make a person with Depression feel better. Having support makes standing on your own much easier.
#27 - Honestly dude, I dont see the problem. Atleast we keep our pan…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/10/2015 on Goths 0
User avatar #36 - ChuckNorrisVsMRT (05/10/2015) [-]
"Only the 13 year olds that like mlp are faggots, Men like me have class!"
User avatar #37 - krobeles (05/11/2015) [-]
I never really said I have class. I just said that I dont go around being an edgy faggot looking for attention.
I just kinda mind my own business and lets everyone else to the same. Unless you believe that the clothes themselves are really such an eye-sore, then I kinda fail to see your issue.
User avatar #38 - ChuckNorrisVsMRT (05/11/2015) [-]
Neckbeards usually keep to themselves too. You can do you're own thing, but don't think you're above the other goth's that don't share your ideals of goth style, you're all equal in this regard.
User avatar #39 - krobeles (05/11/2015) [-]
Well, yes. I'm equal to those have other stylistic ideas. However, I'de like to think I'm a cut above some edgy 14 years old faggot who sits around in the park and drinks beer all day, hoping in vain that somebody will notice him.
And honestly, quite a few of "Victorian Goths" I've ran into, have been really smug and self obessed, and I like to think I'm above arrogant twits aswell.

So yeah, we're equal of a pure stylistic thing, but most of the people who dress a certain way in this sub culture often either share or pick up the social mores of that group, and if a person is acting like a dick, then I like to think I'm above him.

Again; Have you ever actually spoken to a goth that wasn't an edgy 13 years old? Neckbeards are usually boring and unlikeable, which is not the case I've experienced with goths.
User avatar #40 - ChuckNorrisVsMRT (05/11/2015) [-]
Everyone would like to think they're above "arrogant twits". But few people that are arrogant twits are self aware.
#24 - I have a pair of pants like that dude. Actually, I have precis… 05/10/2015 on Goths 0
#8 - I'm gonna go with the Tau. I could use more educated friends. 05/10/2015 on Wheeeee SPACE AIDS!!! +1
#229 - Yeah. Lesson number two: Be interesting. Say stuff that facili…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/10/2015 on This is why I have trust... 0
User avatar #230 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
#141 - True, but thats a useless null-statement. Saying "our lif…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/10/2015 on The edge is real 0
User avatar #142 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
because he wants to know where the line exists between life and death, and life is only the individuals perceptions. That means death is the ending of those perceptions, but your atoms are still there after you die, so do you actually die?

If you can pick up any atoms and rearrange them to make your brain as it is now, youre technically back to being alive.

My point is, there is no line between life and death. There is no life or death, its just atoms. Whatever those atoms turn into, that does not change existence.
#222 - What ways? On being a snarky sarcastic twit or picking up chic…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/10/2015 on This is why I have trust... 0
User avatar #224 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
User avatar #229 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
Yeah. Lesson number two: Be interesting. Say stuff that facilitates conversion, not stuff that kills it.
See also: The exact opposite of what you just did.

I swear. Its like you dont even want my advice, even though you clearly asked for it...
User avatar #230 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
#139 - Still borderlineing that...I dont care for it. What I'm t…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/10/2015 on The edge is real 0
User avatar #140 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
What im saying is that our life is bound by our perceptions. It doesnt mean we cant understand how atoms or the Universe works.
User avatar #141 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
True, but thats a useless null-statement. Saying "our life is bound by our perceptions" is about as informative as saying "Blue is blue". You're saying nothing at all. Literally nothing.
If your statement is utterly useless like this, why even say a thing at all?
User avatar #142 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
because he wants to know where the line exists between life and death, and life is only the individuals perceptions. That means death is the ending of those perceptions, but your atoms are still there after you die, so do you actually die?

If you can pick up any atoms and rearrange them to make your brain as it is now, youre technically back to being alive.

My point is, there is no line between life and death. There is no life or death, its just atoms. Whatever those atoms turn into, that does not change existence.
#154 - Its not you that I'm taking exception to, specifically. I am r…  [+] (4 new replies) 05/10/2015 on This is why I have trust... +4
User avatar #180 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Everyone sometimes need advice. Please oh transcendent one, share with us your unlimited wisdom for you gave the answer to all questions.
User avatar #205 - trolljunkusa (05/10/2015) [-]
I don't see how taking advice from a woman on how to get woman is very practical though. Men should be learning from men, you know, the people who actually have to implement game into the art of picking up women? No offense, but women just have to sit there, and things just happen to work for them, that's all they know, they don't know the gritty details there is and the hard work it takes to truly get a woman the you would be proud of.
User avatar #215 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
You seem to think your opinion is of help to me in some way on this matter, why not mine?
User avatar #183 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Have* whoopsie.
#152 - I'm not really upset. Just kinda lost a bit of faith in us tha…  [+] (6 new replies) 05/10/2015 on This is why I have trust... 0
#181 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Teach me your ways oh snark lord
User avatar #222 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
What ways? On being a snarky sarcastic twit or picking up chicks?
Funny thing, I've actually managed to do both at the same time, with relatively positive results. One does not exclude the other. Thats lesson number one.
User avatar #224 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
User avatar #229 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
Yeah. Lesson number two: Be interesting. Say stuff that facilitates conversion, not stuff that kills it.
See also: The exact opposite of what you just did.

I swear. Its like you dont even want my advice, even though you clearly asked for it...
User avatar #230 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
User avatar #153 - theflyingbiscuit (05/10/2015) [-]
I figured there would be. This is FJ after all.
#142 - ...We have a womanexplain? ******* **** . Thi…  [+] (18 new replies) 05/10/2015 on This is why I have trust... +51
#145 - anonymous (05/10/2015) [-]
You sound upset.
User avatar #143 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
I've been around for a while, I mainly deal with relationship and emotional problems on the advice board.
Don't like it? I don't care.
User avatar #182 - Kodylol (05/10/2015) [-]
This ones feisty. I like it.
User avatar #154 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
Its not you that I'm taking exception to, specifically. I am rather taking exeption to the socially stunted autistic twats who actually require your advice.
I mean, I'm sure you just saw a niche and decided to fill it, but the fact that such a niche required filling in the first place is a really depressing and idiotic fact...
User avatar #180 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Everyone sometimes need advice. Please oh transcendent one, share with us your unlimited wisdom for you gave the answer to all questions.
User avatar #205 - trolljunkusa (05/10/2015) [-]
I don't see how taking advice from a woman on how to get woman is very practical though. Men should be learning from men, you know, the people who actually have to implement game into the art of picking up women? No offense, but women just have to sit there, and things just happen to work for them, that's all they know, they don't know the gritty details there is and the hard work it takes to truly get a woman the you would be proud of.
User avatar #215 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
You seem to think your opinion is of help to me in some way on this matter, why not mine?
User avatar #183 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Have* whoopsie.
User avatar #150 - theflyingbiscuit (05/10/2015) [-]
We don't like women around here. I could give a shit really. Don't know why he's upset, keep doing what you're doing lol.
#203 - thetacoofoblivian (05/10/2015) [-]
We're everywhere...>.>
User avatar #152 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
I'm not really upset. Just kinda lost a bit of faith in us that such a thing is needed/wanted. Aparently its true that the majority on here are kissless virgins...
#181 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Teach me your ways oh snark lord
User avatar #222 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
What ways? On being a snarky sarcastic twit or picking up chicks?
Funny thing, I've actually managed to do both at the same time, with relatively positive results. One does not exclude the other. Thats lesson number one.
User avatar #224 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
User avatar #229 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
Yeah. Lesson number two: Be interesting. Say stuff that facilitates conversion, not stuff that kills it.
See also: The exact opposite of what you just did.

I swear. Its like you dont even want my advice, even though you clearly asked for it...
User avatar #230 - womanexplain (05/10/2015) [-]
Ok
User avatar #153 - theflyingbiscuit (05/10/2015) [-]
I figured there would be. This is FJ after all.
#151 - anonymous (05/10/2015) [-]
You do give a shit then?
#121 - Careful there. You're borderlineing a philosophical platform w…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/10/2015 on The edge is real +1
User avatar #133 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
Its not phyliosophy idiot. Im looking at it from a scientifical perspective and youre trying to bring philosophy into this, wtf?
User avatar #139 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
Still borderlineing that...I dont care for it.
What I'm talking about is a certain kind of scientific philosophy that - in a nutshell - argues that we as human beings, can never truely know or understand something, because everything we know and understand are interprited through our own senses and perceptions which are themselves faulty.
This is one of the most bullshit brances of scientific philosophy that I know of, and you're talking dangerously close to that rancid doctrin.
User avatar #140 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
What im saying is that our life is bound by our perceptions. It doesnt mean we cant understand how atoms or the Universe works.
User avatar #141 - krobeles (05/10/2015) [-]
True, but thats a useless null-statement. Saying "our life is bound by our perceptions" is about as informative as saying "Blue is blue". You're saying nothing at all. Literally nothing.
If your statement is utterly useless like this, why even say a thing at all?
User avatar #142 - tsoper (05/10/2015) [-]
because he wants to know where the line exists between life and death, and life is only the individuals perceptions. That means death is the ending of those perceptions, but your atoms are still there after you die, so do you actually die?

If you can pick up any atoms and rearrange them to make your brain as it is now, youre technically back to being alive.

My point is, there is no line between life and death. There is no life or death, its just atoms. Whatever those atoms turn into, that does not change existence.
#10 - If only this was how Astrophysics functioned...Astrophysics is… 05/09/2015 on Smooooth 0
#111 - That sounds pretty ****** . Although you shouldn't stop …  [+] (1 new reply) 05/09/2015 on This gif deserves an award +1
User avatar #113 - redstonealchemist (05/09/2015) [-]
you're a good person, i like good people.
i can't ride a bike either when i was about 6 or 7, my 3 year older sister forced me onto her mountain bike, which was big for her, after i explicitly showed great disdain in the idea and then she pushed the bike forwards and let go, i fell down. about half my torso was on the road and the bike was pushing against one of my legs, i managed to scrawl out from the bike, pushed my sister away and ran crying to my mum.
as for chess i'm ok at it, but narcolepsy makes even basic thoughts difficult, and a day without medication where i can stay awake for six straight hours is a damn good day. currently i'm on the maximum dosage my GP can legally prescribe, he's currently trying to get the dose i need, which is double the legal max.
long text is long:
on double the legal max, i mostly return to my best. when i was 16, my cognitive abilities were at my absolute best, just before narcolepsy started kicking my ass. at 17, i was in 6th form (it's like a college attached to the school) and at the end of the year i had an exam, english resit, and two test-like reviews. before narcolepsy, i was a B+ or A- student, during narcolepsy i was a D+ or C- student. on that fateful day in which i was cursed to have both reviews and the exam, the gods had gifted me caffeine tablets. i took 4 before school and another 4 at lunch (suggested max dose: 2 at a time). with an OD of caffeine, a belly full of fresh easy-burn calories and very well-hydrated, functioning the best i had for a little over a year, i got A+ in my business studies review, A+ in my creative media animation review and B+ (from a D+, off by C- by 3 points) in my english exam. great story for my creativ emedia animation.
#107 - Thats a pretty large oversight on the part of the ****** … 05/09/2015 on This gif deserves an award +1
#55 - People actually write essays in college classes...? In which d… 05/09/2015 on Life after college 0
#105 - You cant swim? What??? Who the hell cant swim..? Do you live i…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/09/2015 on This gif deserves an award 0
User avatar #110 - redstonealchemist (05/09/2015) [-]
when i was 2 years old i had pneumonia apparently the third doctor took one look at me, openly cursed the two before him and called for an ambulance himself. he said that if my mum waited one more day, i probably wouldn't have survived. and ever since i've had very mild aquaphobia. with enough encouragement, i would get into a pool and follow each and every single thing a swimming instructor said to the letter, no deviation, no messing about, no silliness.
and then i started freaking out.
the instructor said it was ok because my torso would naturally rise and my legs would naturally fall, and fuck my life in the ass with a cactus, the exact fucking opposite happens. every fucking time.
once i almost managed to do the backstroke, but then my head went under, my feet were flopping about and everything above my waist was below water.
of course the instructor wanted to see if i could naturally correct myself and find the instinct to swim, but no.
instead, during my blind panic, i allowed myself to sink and extra foot or so and then push off the floor of the pool with my hands and a short while later i managed to choke out all the water from my lungs.
then i practically jumped out of the pool, fast-walked across the adjacent deeper empty pool and screamed at the top of my lungs at the life guard who was flirting with his colleague while he sat on one of those lifeguard seat things.
when he laughed me off, i tipped the guard chair into the pool with him in it.
he was fired shortly after.
there was another before that incident, which was similar, except it was at a residential holiday park called butlins. there were a variety of pools and long story short i nearly drowned, while a life guard practically kicked me off when i tried to grasp his foot because the safety railing was too high to reach and the edge of the pool was too wet to grasp.
i got saved by a random stranger who helped me out of the pool, and after coughing up pool water, i stormed over to the life guard who was previously laughing at me with his friend, another life guard and then i screamed at the top of my lungs at him, berated him with every rude word at my disposal, my screaming echoed louder than all of the other voices, and even the roar of water, in the giant building.
after attracting the attention of over 50 people, i then screamed "i was fucking drowning you stupid fucking cunt, don't you fucking kick me away you ugly fucking shit sucker!" and pushed him into the pool.

i don't like 'life' 'guards' very much after these cases.
and although i can use a bath and shower, i am reluctant to do so and as for pools, you'll always see me near the edge and only with my feet on the ground.
and if someone tries to make me to try to swim, i ask them if i can hold their head under water for 30 seconds with them lashing about helplessly while no one comes to their rescue so they know how i feel.
at one point i had a medal-winning paralympic swimming instructor. bitch couldn't even use her fucking legs and can swim.
yes, this bitch can't swim, anne frankly i'm surprised that i'd even let people coax me into a pool.
User avatar #111 - krobeles (05/09/2015) [-]
That sounds pretty shitty. Although you shouldn't stop trying, just because its unpleasant. My dad always taught me that theres three things that every adult human being has to be able to do: Ride a bike, play chess and swim. I'm pretty alright at the first two and I used to be an elite swimmer on my areas competition team and I have the life guards training. I honestly couldn't imagine not being able to swim nor how I would go about not being able to swim.

Your situation sounds pretty shitty, but I think you should try to learn to swim regardless. Might help you overcome that fear of water too. I think it'de be a pretty healthy thing to do.
User avatar #113 - redstonealchemist (05/09/2015) [-]
you're a good person, i like good people.
i can't ride a bike either when i was about 6 or 7, my 3 year older sister forced me onto her mountain bike, which was big for her, after i explicitly showed great disdain in the idea and then she pushed the bike forwards and let go, i fell down. about half my torso was on the road and the bike was pushing against one of my legs, i managed to scrawl out from the bike, pushed my sister away and ran crying to my mum.
as for chess i'm ok at it, but narcolepsy makes even basic thoughts difficult, and a day without medication where i can stay awake for six straight hours is a damn good day. currently i'm on the maximum dosage my GP can legally prescribe, he's currently trying to get the dose i need, which is double the legal max.
long text is long:
on double the legal max, i mostly return to my best. when i was 16, my cognitive abilities were at my absolute best, just before narcolepsy started kicking my ass. at 17, i was in 6th form (it's like a college attached to the school) and at the end of the year i had an exam, english resit, and two test-like reviews. before narcolepsy, i was a B+ or A- student, during narcolepsy i was a D+ or C- student. on that fateful day in which i was cursed to have both reviews and the exam, the gods had gifted me caffeine tablets. i took 4 before school and another 4 at lunch (suggested max dose: 2 at a time). with an OD of caffeine, a belly full of fresh easy-burn calories and very well-hydrated, functioning the best i had for a little over a year, i got A+ in my business studies review, A+ in my creative media animation review and B+ (from a D+, off by C- by 3 points) in my english exam. great story for my creativ emedia animation.
#106 - vegasstoner (05/09/2015) [-]
niggas.
#107 - krobeles (05/09/2015) [-]
Thats a pretty large oversight on the part of the niggas then. What if you need to escape the police by swimming across a river? Oh, no! Now Daquan is in prison, because the dumb cunt couldn't swim. Either that, or his drowned.
#46 - Well...Its a brutal job, aparently...  [+] (1 new reply) 05/09/2015 on Sword isn't impressed 0
#63 - kannonball (05/10/2015) [-]
**kannonball used "*roll picture*"**
**kannonball rolled image** The most brutal.
#173 - That sounds ******* amazing! Are they still active? 05/09/2015 on Wonka +1
#209 - The thing is though, that the people who self identify as Femi…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/08/2015 on Stormpooper -1
#289 - geminiousofohara (05/09/2015) [-]
i dont not agree with you about feminist, i have a co worker who is feminist and though shes a liberal with some very distorted views she even has told me that feminazis are fucking retarded and they are not feminist and they are just people wanting to be in control and are using a retarded way to get their. their main objective is to take the matriarchy they claim is in control and replace it with basically a feminarchy something like the amazons
User avatar #265 - chism (05/08/2015) [-]
do you know what a vocal minority is? because that's what most of what you tumblr is. the vocal minority of feminism. even on there you have a large amount of people that disagree with them and lets not forget A LOT of it are trolls. much of the stuff posted here from tumblr are from troll accounts, but people here are so quick to hate they just see it a representation of all feminists. do you believe women should have the right to vote? do you believe a woman should have the right to defend herself from her dad beating her? do you think women should be able to attend college and receive the same education as you? guess what, youre a feminist. if you believe that tumblr is the majority of those that identify as feminists then you need to get out more and off the internet
#183 - As much as I agree that Feminists are ******* nuts, don…  [+] (4 new replies) 05/08/2015 on Stormpooper +6
User avatar #200 - chism (05/08/2015) [-]
please dont think feminists are "fucking nuts" all they want is fucking equality... the only crazy ones are the ones you see on here, and half of those are just trolls
User avatar #209 - krobeles (05/08/2015) [-]
The thing is though, that the people who self identify as Feminists are more often than not, precisely the insane nutjobs that FJ often posts about. The women who view themselves as equal to men and who essentially lives by the true Feminist ideal, dont really view themselves as Feminist anymore.
The word "Feminist" has become synonomous with men-hatred and Social Justice, because those are the majority of peole who identify as such.
Its the precise same reason that Islam has become synonomous with a regressive, angry and archaic doctrine. Sure, some Muslims are nice and relaxed people, but the majority of countries in which Islam rules, are regressive in both social and technological aspect. Such things colors who the group is percieved, and while it may be a sad state of affairs, thats simply how reality works.

Feminists are fucking nuts, and I'm afraid thats simply a statement of fact.
#289 - geminiousofohara (05/09/2015) [-]
i dont not agree with you about feminist, i have a co worker who is feminist and though shes a liberal with some very distorted views she even has told me that feminazis are fucking retarded and they are not feminist and they are just people wanting to be in control and are using a retarded way to get their. their main objective is to take the matriarchy they claim is in control and replace it with basically a feminarchy something like the amazons
User avatar #265 - chism (05/08/2015) [-]
do you know what a vocal minority is? because that's what most of what you tumblr is. the vocal minority of feminism. even on there you have a large amount of people that disagree with them and lets not forget A LOT of it are trolls. much of the stuff posted here from tumblr are from troll accounts, but people here are so quick to hate they just see it a representation of all feminists. do you believe women should have the right to vote? do you believe a woman should have the right to defend herself from her dad beating her? do you think women should be able to attend college and receive the same education as you? guess what, youre a feminist. if you believe that tumblr is the majority of those that identify as feminists then you need to get out more and off the internet
#24 - Its called Ace. Some robot that the Royal Flush Gang keeps reb…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/06/2015 on When you thumb down a post... 0
User avatar #25 - itsmedumbass (05/06/2015) [-]
Ohhh okay, thanks.
#23 - Dont encourage people to play the victim to get support. Thats… 05/06/2015 on And this is what bullying... 0
#15 - This is pathetic. She is pathetic. She says she gets bull…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/06/2015 on And this is what bullying... 0
#21 - anonymous (05/06/2015) [-]
U posted what I was going to. Well played
#89 - I feel we're getting away from foods actual purpose here...  [+] (1 new reply) 05/06/2015 on Food dam 0
User avatar #97 - sugoi (05/06/2015) [-]
To look fabulous?

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User avatar #73 - tryg (05/11/2015) [-]
I feel quite tryg(t) here
User avatar #74 to #73 - krobeles (05/11/2015) [-]
Not sure I really get what you're saying, but I'll agree out of politeness.
#72 - krobeles (12/12/2014) [-]
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User avatar #62 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
Now you wanna be civil?! Where did that come from? Fine, we'll have a discussion.

Women have to fear death too. Like, usually the fear of rape comes with the fear of death. And you can argue what you did when it comes to gangs messing with guys on the street, but that's the same for women by other women. Like, I know some girls who get messed with by the Latin Kings because they're Hispanic girls. I do not see how these issues even out. Maybe quantitatively, but not when it comes to the level of danger and effect. But if they did (and please clarify for me with legitimate examples), these issues have one thing in common: notions of masculinity, whether it be inter-gendered or intra-gendered. Those guys that beat you up started messing you because they thought you looked like a faggot. That's a hierarchy of sex right there: straight males have the right to attack homosexual males in an attempt to display their masculinity. Men are affected negatively by notions of masculinity also, but the effect of masculinity on males is seen more in the male treatment of women. And these notions of masculinity, while also in part perpetuated by women, are largely and more easily perpetuated by men. This is why feminism is here, and this is why women are more affected than men: men are taught masculinity, which shapes them as people and shapes their treatment of women, which leads to women taking more of the damage than men.

This is not creating a culture of victims. This is giving people something tangible to fight against. Naming a common cause of this type of gendered violence allows the fight to be fought more realistically. Naming a more specific root of a problem is more effective than just generalizing everything because violence is born and molded in different ways.

You're right about more women being accepted into universities, but when it comes to professional studies (law school, med school, etc.) less women are being accepted.

Hold on. I'm not done.
User avatar #63 to #62 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
A flaw of feminism is that there is not enough discussion on the oppression faced by people experiencing the intersectionality of being minority and a woman. That's in part why womanism was born, but many feminists incorporate intersectionality into their beliefs.

And that story about your mom? One success story doesn't mean equality. Many of the women in my family immigrated from Mexico and became pregnant as teenagers. Many of the women in my family were also raped or molested. My grandmother was beaten by her husband, and many of the women in my family and in this culture are expected to stay in the house and fulfill their roles as women. This isn't just limited to my family, it's everywhere. These issues do exist.
User avatar #64 to #63 - krobeles (08/30/2014) [-]
Alright, lets try something alittle different.
We can agree that women face some issues, yes? We can also agree that men face some issues, yes? We can furthermore agree that they share a number of common issues and that atleast a few of them share a common cause? If we can agree on this, why are we having this discussion in the frame of womens issues and why is the movement called Feminism?

To a degree, I agree with you on the masculinity thing. I have this skirt that I think I love just lovely in, but I rarely find it aproriate to wear that, because I know what people will think of a dude in a skirt. And thats sort of my issue with the feminist movement. I am not saying that women dont face issues and I am not saying the issues they do face are allways insignificant. But forming a humanitarian movement which attacks a grand social problem, but to face solely on the issues faced by one gender, is subtle sexism in and of itself.

Its also important to note that assholes and idiots will always exist. I see alot of these feminists attacking the "How not to get raped" things, with stupid ******** like "Dont teach women not to get raped, teach not to rape!", which is just silly.
We could apply this logic to common acts and thievery and see it fall apart. "Dont tell me to lock my door, tell thieves not to rob my house!". It is true that thieves and thugs never have the right to rob/rape you, but if you dont take steps to pretend and desentavise them from doing so, then you automatically forfiet a small part of your right to complain.
And in that same regard, I dont go around spouting ******** like "Teach people not to assault men people in skirts with long hair!", I just accept that such savage behavior is inherent in some particularily nasty people, and find ways to prevent it myself. I own a few weapons in my home, and I know a basic few things of self defence.

I dont believe that feminism gives women "something tangible to fight against". It provides a nebulous threat of the ominous "Patriarchy" and "Male-opression" to fight against. Since the easily explained (very dumbed down) cause this is white males, you suddenly have alot of these women who feel disenfranchised and run-down, who suddenly find something to point at and go "Thats the cause of all my problems!". Since they've forgotten to mention that the thing they're fighting against hurts all parts of society equally, these women never really stop to consider if perhaps they're attacking the problem from the wrong angle or if they're attacking the wrong people.

Just as you say that one success story doesn't a trend make, I dont feel like your family experience is anymore valid an example. Rot festers in places in which it is not cleaned out, and if there has been an unfortunate trend in your family of abuse, then it is a given that it will continue unless someone makes an effort to cut out the rot.

Ultimately, what I said about feminism not not attacking the right issues can be linked to this. If what you claim happened to your family is the general trend amongst Mexican/African famillies, then that is a serious problem which needs to taken care of. However, it seems to me that the general feminist movement are far more interested in applying their efforts towards comparatively harmless videogames and TV-shows, which are totally and entirely insignificant in comparison to actual family abuse and rape.

This leads me to believe that the new feminist movement isn't really about equality, but rather just a fandom-esque circlejerk in which its members are more concerned with the tiny minute issues they might concievably face, rather the actual big and serious issues which actually needs their attention.

Well, to comment on the civil discussion thing, taking a few minutes to play a game of tower defence, and making a conceded effort to appear less of an angry shouty person in order to facillitate more constructive debate, does its thing rather well. Also, I largely view insults and shouty-debates as a form of humor. So long as I'm just trying to trying to get a rail out of people, I insult them. Theres a certain art to a well constructed and imaginative insult, I find. However, if the says or does something that belies the potential for actually interesting debate, its another matter entirely.
User avatar #65 to #64 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
We're having this discussion in the frame of women's issues because it does effect women in a more detrimental way and it *is* more perpetuated by men. I mentioned that men go through oppressions also, like the pressure to be masculine, but many of those pressures are self-perpetuated and the result is displayed in their relationships toward women. And it is called feminism because femininity is not limited to women. It is not subscribed to one gender or sex.

The concept of a humanitarian movement is good in theory, but there's issues in that we wouldn't be able to prevent the perpetuation of oppression without knowing where it comes from. Let's take gangs as an example. A lot of inner city groups are preaching to kids that "violence is bad," something everyone has been hearing for the longest time. However, things like this aren't working. What works instead is legislation that targets poverty and expands opportunity and education, which is keeping kids off the street. We can have a whole anti-violence movement, but fighting violence in general is too grand of a scale to address realistically. Narrowing down oppression allows us to take the fight one step at a time. Not to mention that forming groups like these also give people a sense of community in what they're facing.

Hold on I"m not done
User avatar #66 to #65 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
Okay, honestly with the "don't teach women how to not get raped, teach not to rape" thing, I only agree 50%. Yeah, we do have to put more of the focus in preventing sexual assault on the perpetrator, but we also need to teach everyone how to stay safe and stay away from risky behaviors in a way that doesn't result in someone saying, "well, she was hanging with the wrong crowd, so maybe she wouldn't have gotten raped if she wasn't where she was" or something like that. Victims see enough of a reason to blame themselves without stuff like this being said. And if by "complain" you mean be angry or upset, then you do still have a right to complain, because while steps could have been taken to prevent stuff like this, the perpetrator could have *not* raped the victim. You mention "teach people not to assault men in skirts with long hair." While I am sorry you were assaulted, and while this should NOT have happened to you, there is no trend of men wearing skirts and getting assaulted. There is a big trend of women and men getting raped by males though.

Feminism exists past the internet, past funnyjunk, past 4chan and past tumblr. Don't make the mistake of wrongly labeling a whole group of people because of popular opinion on these websites. True feminists are not attacking anyone. White males are pointed at (not attacked) as a cause because (1) they have the most power in society, and (2) the fact that most don't have to deal with discrimination based on sex, race or gender creates a feeling of disdain in the white male community for these people that are fighting these issues. Honestly, that's how it is. If you're more exposed to racism, you'd care more about ending it. The same goes with sexism. I mean, look at funnyjunk. The largest community here is white, male and straight. Look at how much easier this anti-feminism thing floated compared to a place like tumblr, where a good fraction of the users are female and not white.

Hold on
User avatar #67 to #66 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
I was wary about mentioning my family, but I thought it was okay since I don't know you and you don't know me. I can assure you that these issues are not limited to my family, and please refrain from comparing them to "rot," even if you do see it as fit.

The grand feminist movement is not focused on video games and such. The internet/tumblr feminist movement is. And I definitely wouldn't argue these video games and whatever are harmless. I'm gonna make a cliche argument, but just because it's cliche doesn't mean it's not true: it hurts self esteem. Seeing all these sexy girls in video games, music videos, and everywhere else in the ******* media sucks. Seeing guys drool over those girls also sucks. Women are oversexualized and we're pressured to look like them. It's cliche but it's true.

Feminism is not a circle jerk. I'm just saying feminism concerns more than tumblr and the internet.

Okay now I'm done
User avatar #68 to #67 - krobeles (08/30/2014) [-]
The thing about teaching people "not to rape" though, is that that is impossible. As I said, there will allways be assholes, and they know full well that rape is wrong. They just dont care, because they're egotistical asshats.
I was just useing myself as an example (I've never been assaulted while wearing the skirt, actually), of something that would be equally silly.
Of course you still have some right to complain - it is still wrong to rape or assault people regardless of what they wear or how they behave - but you have to admit that the complaint falls alot shorter if the person in question took active steps to put himself/herself in harms way to begin with?
You could liken it to a person climbing onto a scaffolding and then falling down and breaks both legs. Is it regrettable that the person fell and broke both legs? Yes. Was it rather expected, based on circumstance and the poor safety measure the person had set up? Yes.

I am not so sure about the "Feminism exists past the internet"-thing. Of course it is reasonable to assume that there is the odd feminist every now and again, but on a grander scale, the only people I've ever met who claimed themselves feminists is two girls who associate with the Tumblr crowd on the internet. They're more a physical extension of the internet-Tumblr-feminists than actual feminists. Other than them, I've never anyone who claimed themselves feminist. It might because all of what you've happened is more of an issue in the states, than it is in Denmark, but it still doesn't do much to make me convinced that actual - none-Tumblr - feminists actually exists.
This is why I largely allow the Tumblr-feminists view to be indicative of all feminists. I've never met a non-tumblr feminists in all my 21 years, and I therefor dont really have faith that they exist outside of the internet.

Which is actually another thing I've come to consider. Since many of the Tumblr feminists seem to be American and preoccupised with strictly American issues, I am starting to consider that perhaps America might suffer infinitely more from these issues discriminatory issues than the European countries (Well, Denmark, atleast). But I dont see the Tumblr-feminists treating it as an American problem dispite the fact that it might be a strictly American problem. This comes back to what I mentioned with the feminists being an angry hate-club which're just looking for their next big issue to be offended over. I'm sure that if they stopped for five minutes and looked at some of the silly things they get offended over, they would see how silly it is. Instead though, they're much too busy yelling and shouting angryly at game developers, who had the audacity to make their female character busty.

I wasn't comparing your family to rot. I was comparing the aparent trend of violence and rape to rot. Just because a person commits a rotten action, does not a rotten person make. I actually intended to write something along those lines in my comment, but I must've forgot. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.

As I explained above, I dont think that there really is a true divide between "the grand feminist movement" and the tumblr feminists.
If the video game thing hurts the self esteem of some people, then I honestly think that they those need to grow a spine, sorry to say. There are dudes in video games too, who are insanely buff and masculin beyond anything realistic. The dudes that aren't, are insanely intelligent and sucessful in busness or whatever. Should men be offended at this depiction of dudes?
Thats why we call it fiction. Its not suposed to be taken as seriously as some feminists do and claim other women do as well. Its an idealized version of a woman marketet to a predominantly white male teen audience. What do you think sells well with white teenage dudes? Tits, of course. Its not a question of discrimination or objectification, its a question of marketing. White teenage guys likes tits, so the corporations gives them tits.
Add this to the fact that almost all of my female friends I've asked directly if they feel offended or objectified by fictional works, says they find it silly and of course they dont. I think this problem lies with the self-esteem of the people who complain about it. Its not that these images and materials cause bad self esteem in women, its that these images remind women who allready suffer from bad self esteem, how ****** they feel about themselves. Sorry if this seems a bit cynical; but we cant pander to a group of mentally ill people, who complain about something no person with proper self esteem and self image would find the least bit offensive. The lowest common denominator should not dictate the direction the crowd moves.
This is not to say that I nessesarily condone the way females are portrayed in games and general media. I think they hamstrings themselves, by reducing females in the way they do. This goes for men aswell. No interesting plots are going to arise from a story in which all females are card-board cutouts with latex tits plastered onto, and all males are gruff handsom flawless Adonis wanna-bes who can solve 3rd grade differential equations in their heads while bench pressing 4 times their own weight.
Outside of the detrimental effects to storytelling that it has, I cant view this as anything other than one of those silly null-issues I complain about the feminists being all too keen to focus on, while ignoring the grander problems.

I dont believe that men systematically opress women. Not here in the rest anyway. Those in power opress those not in power. Its been like that forever and it'll likely continue to be like that a long time into the future too. A good bunch of those in power are white males, which is a left-over from a time in which white males did actually opress everyone not white and not male. Non-white non-males just haven't had the chance to bleed up through the molasses-like power structure that we've instituted. Thats not opression, thats just a matter of fact.

I feel like you handicap the conversation by framing it this context, when what you're really complaining about is a grander social problem, not singularily suffered by women. It would be like discussing war casualties as a mens issue, because the majority of soldiers are men. Dont you think the female soldiers would be slightly pissed off, about the fact that they're role and their pains in the army is effectively being ignored?

User avatar #69 to #68 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
See? No. It shouldn't matter if people took "active steps to put themselves in harm's way." We're way to focused on that. If "harm's way" qualifies as being with a man late at night, than that vilifies men way more than anything else. We need to teach people not to rape. And rape is a preventable thing, because the main reason men--and yes, the majority of perpetrators are men--rape is because they want to feel power. Power, of course, is a characteristic of masculinity. The male need to feel power is the male need to feel masculine. Again, the reason this whole feminism thing exists is to fight trends. There is a trend of men who rape. The is a trend of women getting raped. There is a trend of masculinity being pushed by men and there is a trend of men needing to feel power. This is not silly.
The connection to the scaffolding isn't valid because there is no perpetrator. An accident is different than flat out assault. You cannot, by any means, blame a victim like that. No one deserves rape and we shouldn't treat any case as lesser because "she was wearing a skirt too short" or "she was out with the wrong crowd." That's always the first thing people think about--what the girl was doing wrong--rather than why the guy raped her or what he shouldn't have done. And how many times can guys catch themselves doing the same thing with no consequence? Men can be out late at night with women. Men can walk around with no shirt and not be raped. It just happens on a much larger scale with women.

hold on
User avatar #70 to #69 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
A big part of the feminism we're discussing is feminism in America. I can definitely contest that feminism exists outside of the internet. I know many feminists who are not using social networks in their practice at all. There are many thinkers--bell hooks, for example--that are held up to a high standard and that would disagree with the things that the "tumblr feminists" say. If you really aren't exposed to this group and are actually ignorant to it, then how can this part of your argument have a good foundation?

There is a problem with that. You mention a white male audience when it comes to video games, but about half of the gaming audience is women. And women are sexualized more in games, that's just it. I'll take Resident Evil as an example. Leon and Chris have big muscles, yes, but look at the females in the game. Clare is wearing tight clothes and whatever, but what bothers me most is that in every RE games she's in, the camera focuses on her ass and pans up her body at least like 3 times per game. And look at Ada (if you never played these games you should google these characters). She runs around in a ******* long red, sexy dress and high heels in RE4, and it is clear that Leon is caught in a spell because of her. It's always Leon sexualizing her, not the other way around. And the villains in RE. The majority of the male villains are old men, like Salazar in RE4 and Birkin in the Darkside Chronicles--while the female villains are like, almost naked and sexy in a weird monster way. But if you still think that "males are just as sexualized as females," and if you have a problem with it, say something. Don't get mad at other people for saying something they have a problem with by claiming you have a problem with something else--fix it.
And all of this oversexualization is related to MASCULINITY. That's what I've been saying. The oversexualization of men is also related to masculinity and the idea that men can't be heroes unless they're masculine. hold on
User avatar #71 to #70 - lifeisnocabaret (08/30/2014) [-]
These video games enforce these notions of masculinity both ways and in turn enforce notions of power. It's all about the mindset these things perpetuate.

It is oppression because it is a matter of fact. That's how ingrained it is--we believe we can't fight it. You can't say oppression doesn't exist, even in places like America, because there is a type of person that succeeds and there is a type of person that doesn't, and it mostly doesn't boil down to laziness or true inferiority. It's about who's "at risk" to fail and who's not "at risk." Not everyone has equal opportunity and not everyone is born to the same circumstances, and it mostly depends on race, class and gender, and that's why these individual tiers have individual activism groups. We can't just say "well people are always gonna be oppressed" and not do anything about it, because no where in America's history (and hardly anywhere in world history) were white, straight males oppressed. Everyone else was.

For the last part of your argument, again, females are more negatively affected by this. Masculinity is related to power and sex and it is displayed in the male treatment of women. I've addressed this already.
User avatar #42 - revengeforfreeze (11/06/2013) [-]
yYOUS AN BRON?!
User avatar #43 to #42 - krobeles (11/06/2013) [-]
ehm, say what now??
User avatar #44 to #43 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
you're a brony?
User avatar #45 to #44 - krobeles (11/09/2013) [-]
I dont identify as one, no.
Why?
User avatar #46 to #45 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
>joined ponytime
>posted pony content
User avatar #47 to #46 - krobeles (11/09/2013) [-]
So? That dosen't make me a brony. That makes a dude who watches My Little Pony.
I recon theres a differance.
User avatar #48 to #47 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
well okay
i didnt know the difference tbh
User avatar #49 to #48 - krobeles (11/09/2013) [-]
Its more of a personal thing, actually.
I view the "Bronies" as the greezy fat neck bearded Otaku-wannabies who attend cons and cosplay girls.
I'm not one of those.
User avatar #51 to #50 - krobeles (11/09/2013) [-]
Why'de you ask anyway?
User avatar #52 to #51 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
don tnkow.
User avatar #53 to #52 - krobeles (11/09/2013) [-]
Weeell...Aaalright then..G'day...
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