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#45 - Say that to my face on an account, anon. I don't need to grow …  [+] (19 new replies) 04/11/2016 on Black Widow Vs Scorpion +1
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#89 - KillinTime (04/11/2016) [-]
grow a pair, bitch.
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#47 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Either feeding anything to a boa is wrong or nothing is.

I don't like it either, but a puppy doesn't get a free pass just because it's cute. You must believe that either all life has inherent value or none does, and if only the 'cute' things do, it's you that's the asshole.
#93 - whyamiloggedin (04/11/2016) [-]
I don't like the idea of raising snakes as pets (I am not saying I am against it) because basically when you feed the snake, you don't give any chance the mouse to escape. Snakes in wild life have to earn their food by hunting down their prey, but in this case you are dooming the poor animals that serve as a food to the snake. In regards to why it is despicable feeding snakes with puppies or kittens and it should be punished by law : consider that cats and dogs are much more intelligent species than mice and their existence goes beyond eating, fucking and shitting and that is why such act is cruel.
#150 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
Mice and rats are much smarter than you seem to give them credit for, look into it before calling them unintelligent
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#109 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
What of frozen food?

I think mouse/rat owners would disagree about how much their life is worth.
#119 - whyamiloggedin (04/11/2016) [-]
From their perspective your life or mine can be less valuable than their pet mouse/rat. Does that make them right? And to add to my previous point: this puppy has no business in the natural habitat of the Boa snake. Under normal circumstances it would never serve as a food for the snake. The only reason this moron which had the indecency to film the whole act, which is fucked up fed the snake with the puppy, was because it is cheaper for him to adopt the animal and feed it to his pet.
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#123 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
I know. I'm not condoning the act, I'm only saying that you'll be very hard pressed to find logical reasons for being upset at a snake eating a dog over a mouse (in regular circumstances).
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#82 - kouzan (04/11/2016) [-]
I'm not saying it because its cute, I'm saying it because there are other cheaper, lest costly ways to feed a boa. Especially the social stigma that will follow you around if you pick up puppies, since most aren't free, for the express purpose to feed it to a predator. You dont see fat kids being thrown to lions.
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#108 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Yet none of that has anything to do with you asking for the account to be banned, nor implying that feeding a puppy to a boa is inherently morally wrong.
#73 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
"Only the Sith believe in absolutes." - some guy

Why don't we go feed babies to boas then? Because every moral standing must be rigid and absolute and inflexible to the reality of our society right? All I hear is someone who thinks they're morally above others because they're so different and they're okay with this. Get off your high horse m8
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#75 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
I have a snake and I feed it live food, I also have some very controversial views, there is no high horse, but there IS an absolute.

Unless you can think of a better reason why the life of a puppy is worth more than the life of a rabbit, or mouse, or insects.

Is it intelligence? I'm sure the owners of these animals would disagree and bend your ear talking about how smart they can be. Personality? The exact same. Productivity? Then you value life based on its usefulness.

Come on, I'd like to hear your justifications.
#111 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
Ever heard the saying: " a dog is a man's best freind..."
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#112 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Ever heard the saying "Better dead than red"?
#88 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
Are we really doing this?
In the real world, some things are more important to our lives than other things. Domestication of animals has played a large role in the development of our human values [1]. Many animals were held in high esteem and even though of as sacred by our ancestors. Through societal evolution, these animals that have served to develop our values today now hold different spots in the hierarchy of importance in our lives. Since the prevailing morality is that different animals have different importance to our lives, and we live a democracy, to function in the real world requires acceptance that although there are those who value all life as sacred, the majority of people do not equate the life of an insect to a dog. Neither am I meaning to put down those who believe all life is sacred nor am I pushing this agenda onto others as a demand; the only demand I made in my previous comment was that you get off your high horse in pushing your agenda onto others, stating "you must believe that either all lief has inherent value or none does..."

We can also talk about "usefulness", or perhaps you call it "productivity." In the example of feeding a pet boa, obviously one has made the choice to own a boa as a pet and must take care of its needs, like food. So one has to choose what sort of food to give it, be it insects, mice, rabbits, dogs, babies, etc. However, one reason why holding this absolute on life is questionable with this example is that there is an obvious differences between how much joy and enrichment each of those animals could provide to someone else if it had not been used as a food source for the pet snake. Statistically speaking, someone out there would have loved to have a puppy and have raised it in a loving home for 10 or so years, whereas there are less who would care so for a bug [3]. Life-span wise, they are different as well; balancing quality of life, life-span, and increased quality of life for their human caretakers, my thoughts would lead me to feed mice to a pet snake (I haven't owned a snake but I doubt they eat insects).

Touching briefly on consciousness, extensive studies have only shown that animals in general have very simplistic conscious thoughts and feelings, with few studies providing any significant evidence for any set hierarchy of consciousness [2]. So with that I can't use consciousness as any justification.

Another real world example is human's choice on meat consumptions. Surely I don't need a source to say that dogs are eaten less frequently than other animals like cows or chicken. But there are also those who condemn this and choose to eat only plants. If we follow an absolute set of morals in the value of life, then unfortunately we cannot have a varied diet; either vegetarianism or carnivorism will be forced upon everyone. That doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Again, all I am putting forth is that an absolute mindset does not work with our current societal values and structures. You are free to believe all life has inherent and equal value, but others, like me, see differently. When I say get off your high horse, I really mean stop pushing your values on everyone when there is good reason for our values to coexist.


[1] Hodges, J. Animals and Values in Society www.lrrd.org/lrrd11/3/hod113.htm
[2] Griffin, D.R. et al. New evidence of animal consciousness postcog.ucd.ie/files/fulltext.pdf Anim. Cogn. 2004
[3] U.S. Pet Ownership Statistics www.avma.org/KB/Resources/Statistics/Pages/Market-research-statistics-US-pet-ownership.aspx
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#106 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Instead you are pushing the belief that "This life has value because we think it does", which is also fine. I'm not criticizing you or your views either, old chap, but 'inherent value' would be independent of social climates. What you are arguing in your first paragraph is because we held them in a certain regard throughout history (even going so far as to adapt along with them), AND that the majority believes a certain thing, it is so, and if that is so, it is absolutely alright to hate Arabs for being Arabs given past offenses and current social climate. But you wouldn't argue that; instead you would argue that all beings have a certain 'right' to life and to separate themselves from stereotypes.

Once more, this goes back to what I said before that the term 'inherent' would imply a certain value that is independent and static regardless of what it gives. If what you are saying applies, then it is absolutely okay to feed a puppy to a boa if it does NOT give you (or anyone, hypothetically) pleasure or increase your joy.

If your thoughts veer toward democracy and social climate being the 'end all' of argument, then once more that goes back to, say, it being okay to murder Buddhists (in a certain time of history) because Chairman Mao and most of China hated them at a certain time in history.

It works just fine. I don't practice vegetarianism/veganism, nor do I cry every time my snake is fed, but I see that life has an inherent value, nor do I push that everyone SHOULD practice a certain diet. It is only that, all pomp and flair aside, to say "This animal's life is worth more because we decided it is" is no less idiotic or dickish than "I killed this animal because I thought its life was worthless.
#118 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
I don't see how my points really support or is comparable to arguing on the murder of Buddhists or discrimination of human races (I'm only arguing on animals right now, and I don't believe in being able to always generalize or hold my points as absolutes for a large ranges of issues.)
But hey, we're on the internet. We're on fj. We're trying to have a debate. We've both already lost. Thanks for playing! I'm probably not going to reply if you decide to put in a last word; you may take that how you want.

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#120 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
In your entire argument you mentioned 'democracy', or rather, majority opinion twice, historical context once, and societal values twice. As such, I applied them to other scenarios such as discrimination and genocide, that if everyone was okay with it, it was fine, and if a society is okay with it, it is fine. Obviously you do not agree with these points, so your arguments are moot.

It's been fun. Have a wonderful day.
#69 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
or life capable of emotion ie not cancer cells or bugs
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#70 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Who are you to decide what feels and what doesn't?

I don't know about you old top, but that spider seemed pretty upset with what was happening.
#43 - Can we ban this person for this post?  [+] (21 new replies) 04/11/2016 on Black Widow Vs Scorpion -1
#44 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
Grow a pair
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#45 - kouzan (04/11/2016) [-]
Say that to my face on an account, anon. I don't need to grow a pair to know feeding a puppy to a boa is wrong.
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#89 - KillinTime (04/11/2016) [-]
grow a pair, bitch.
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#47 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Either feeding anything to a boa is wrong or nothing is.

I don't like it either, but a puppy doesn't get a free pass just because it's cute. You must believe that either all life has inherent value or none does, and if only the 'cute' things do, it's you that's the asshole.
#93 - whyamiloggedin (04/11/2016) [-]
I don't like the idea of raising snakes as pets (I am not saying I am against it) because basically when you feed the snake, you don't give any chance the mouse to escape. Snakes in wild life have to earn their food by hunting down their prey, but in this case you are dooming the poor animals that serve as a food to the snake. In regards to why it is despicable feeding snakes with puppies or kittens and it should be punished by law : consider that cats and dogs are much more intelligent species than mice and their existence goes beyond eating, fucking and shitting and that is why such act is cruel.
#150 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
Mice and rats are much smarter than you seem to give them credit for, look into it before calling them unintelligent
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#109 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
What of frozen food?

I think mouse/rat owners would disagree about how much their life is worth.
#119 - whyamiloggedin (04/11/2016) [-]
From their perspective your life or mine can be less valuable than their pet mouse/rat. Does that make them right? And to add to my previous point: this puppy has no business in the natural habitat of the Boa snake. Under normal circumstances it would never serve as a food for the snake. The only reason this moron which had the indecency to film the whole act, which is fucked up fed the snake with the puppy, was because it is cheaper for him to adopt the animal and feed it to his pet.
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#123 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
I know. I'm not condoning the act, I'm only saying that you'll be very hard pressed to find logical reasons for being upset at a snake eating a dog over a mouse (in regular circumstances).
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#82 - kouzan (04/11/2016) [-]
I'm not saying it because its cute, I'm saying it because there are other cheaper, lest costly ways to feed a boa. Especially the social stigma that will follow you around if you pick up puppies, since most aren't free, for the express purpose to feed it to a predator. You dont see fat kids being thrown to lions.
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#108 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Yet none of that has anything to do with you asking for the account to be banned, nor implying that feeding a puppy to a boa is inherently morally wrong.
#73 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
"Only the Sith believe in absolutes." - some guy

Why don't we go feed babies to boas then? Because every moral standing must be rigid and absolute and inflexible to the reality of our society right? All I hear is someone who thinks they're morally above others because they're so different and they're okay with this. Get off your high horse m8
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#75 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
I have a snake and I feed it live food, I also have some very controversial views, there is no high horse, but there IS an absolute.

Unless you can think of a better reason why the life of a puppy is worth more than the life of a rabbit, or mouse, or insects.

Is it intelligence? I'm sure the owners of these animals would disagree and bend your ear talking about how smart they can be. Personality? The exact same. Productivity? Then you value life based on its usefulness.

Come on, I'd like to hear your justifications.
#111 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
Ever heard the saying: " a dog is a man's best freind..."
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#112 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Ever heard the saying "Better dead than red"?
#88 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
Are we really doing this?
In the real world, some things are more important to our lives than other things. Domestication of animals has played a large role in the development of our human values [1]. Many animals were held in high esteem and even though of as sacred by our ancestors. Through societal evolution, these animals that have served to develop our values today now hold different spots in the hierarchy of importance in our lives. Since the prevailing morality is that different animals have different importance to our lives, and we live a democracy, to function in the real world requires acceptance that although there are those who value all life as sacred, the majority of people do not equate the life of an insect to a dog. Neither am I meaning to put down those who believe all life is sacred nor am I pushing this agenda onto others as a demand; the only demand I made in my previous comment was that you get off your high horse in pushing your agenda onto others, stating "you must believe that either all lief has inherent value or none does..."

We can also talk about "usefulness", or perhaps you call it "productivity." In the example of feeding a pet boa, obviously one has made the choice to own a boa as a pet and must take care of its needs, like food. So one has to choose what sort of food to give it, be it insects, mice, rabbits, dogs, babies, etc. However, one reason why holding this absolute on life is questionable with this example is that there is an obvious differences between how much joy and enrichment each of those animals could provide to someone else if it had not been used as a food source for the pet snake. Statistically speaking, someone out there would have loved to have a puppy and have raised it in a loving home for 10 or so years, whereas there are less who would care so for a bug [3]. Life-span wise, they are different as well; balancing quality of life, life-span, and increased quality of life for their human caretakers, my thoughts would lead me to feed mice to a pet snake (I haven't owned a snake but I doubt they eat insects).

Touching briefly on consciousness, extensive studies have only shown that animals in general have very simplistic conscious thoughts and feelings, with few studies providing any significant evidence for any set hierarchy of consciousness [2]. So with that I can't use consciousness as any justification.

Another real world example is human's choice on meat consumptions. Surely I don't need a source to say that dogs are eaten less frequently than other animals like cows or chicken. But there are also those who condemn this and choose to eat only plants. If we follow an absolute set of morals in the value of life, then unfortunately we cannot have a varied diet; either vegetarianism or carnivorism will be forced upon everyone. That doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Again, all I am putting forth is that an absolute mindset does not work with our current societal values and structures. You are free to believe all life has inherent and equal value, but others, like me, see differently. When I say get off your high horse, I really mean stop pushing your values on everyone when there is good reason for our values to coexist.


[1] Hodges, J. Animals and Values in Society www.lrrd.org/lrrd11/3/hod113.htm
[2] Griffin, D.R. et al. New evidence of animal consciousness postcog.ucd.ie/files/fulltext.pdf Anim. Cogn. 2004
[3] U.S. Pet Ownership Statistics www.avma.org/KB/Resources/Statistics/Pages/Market-research-statistics-US-pet-ownership.aspx
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#106 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Instead you are pushing the belief that "This life has value because we think it does", which is also fine. I'm not criticizing you or your views either, old chap, but 'inherent value' would be independent of social climates. What you are arguing in your first paragraph is because we held them in a certain regard throughout history (even going so far as to adapt along with them), AND that the majority believes a certain thing, it is so, and if that is so, it is absolutely alright to hate Arabs for being Arabs given past offenses and current social climate. But you wouldn't argue that; instead you would argue that all beings have a certain 'right' to life and to separate themselves from stereotypes.

Once more, this goes back to what I said before that the term 'inherent' would imply a certain value that is independent and static regardless of what it gives. If what you are saying applies, then it is absolutely okay to feed a puppy to a boa if it does NOT give you (or anyone, hypothetically) pleasure or increase your joy.

If your thoughts veer toward democracy and social climate being the 'end all' of argument, then once more that goes back to, say, it being okay to murder Buddhists (in a certain time of history) because Chairman Mao and most of China hated them at a certain time in history.

It works just fine. I don't practice vegetarianism/veganism, nor do I cry every time my snake is fed, but I see that life has an inherent value, nor do I push that everyone SHOULD practice a certain diet. It is only that, all pomp and flair aside, to say "This animal's life is worth more because we decided it is" is no less idiotic or dickish than "I killed this animal because I thought its life was worthless.
#118 - xkikokikox (04/11/2016) [-]
I don't see how my points really support or is comparable to arguing on the murder of Buddhists or discrimination of human races (I'm only arguing on animals right now, and I don't believe in being able to always generalize or hold my points as absolutes for a large ranges of issues.)
But hey, we're on the internet. We're on fj. We're trying to have a debate. We've both already lost. Thanks for playing! I'm probably not going to reply if you decide to put in a last word; you may take that how you want.

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#120 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
In your entire argument you mentioned 'democracy', or rather, majority opinion twice, historical context once, and societal values twice. As such, I applied them to other scenarios such as discrimination and genocide, that if everyone was okay with it, it was fine, and if a society is okay with it, it is fine. Obviously you do not agree with these points, so your arguments are moot.

It's been fun. Have a wonderful day.
#69 - anon (04/11/2016) [-]
or life capable of emotion ie not cancer cells or bugs
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#70 - captainfuckitall (04/11/2016) [-]
Who are you to decide what feels and what doesn't?

I don't know about you old top, but that spider seemed pretty upset with what was happening.
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