I'm not a Giants fan, I just think they have an easy schedule and division heading into this season, also I think they're cheating fuckers anyway

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him

steve nash and chris paul yes. ive actually never really got a chance to see derrick rose play so i dont know if i should like him or not. Chris Paul has good leadership and stuff but i have yet to see him do good against other good defensive guards. I always prefereed derron williams to chris paul because he was bigger and stronger and a better defender. And you keep saying i'm wrong but yet not one player you mentioned has a championship. So you really can't claim im wrong

but i do find derrick rose interesting and he looks so smooth when he scores. though i will say I understand he wants to be safe but now it's been over a year and he is not there for his team is kinda frustrating because i wanted to watch him a few times.

because like i said melo shoots 7 for 35 too much. melo isn't a better scorer he just shoots a lot more AND has an entire offense tailored to him. When he doesn't like something everything is changed for him to pad his stats

The reason of me listing those players was because they're all great players without championships. I was being sarcastic with that paragraph, in case you couldn't tell. The point I was trying to make is that players can be great without winning championships, with the aforementioned players being my examples. It appears you just said that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are among the worst players to ever play, which makes me think you're extremely ignorant and incompetent. In that case, there's no point in wasting anymore time "debating" with you.

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him

person who has carried the team all year
Tyson Chandler
even jr smith has made more big shots than melo

its just like people like you who say tyson chandler sucks when he is the reason for anchoring their defense. but guys like you cant appreciate defense because all you watch is ESPN

go ahead and attack me. you will never in your life know more about basketball then me and will NEVER win in a basketball debate against me. never in your life.

and tell me how many times has melo made it out of the first round before? 1 time. and that was because iverson got traded for chauncey billups. who carried the team that far.

Let's look at melo's track record

>Denver team built FOR him. suck with him
>Melo gets traded to new york for danillo galanario when the knicks were ON FIRE before melo got traded there. They were the number 1 seed at one point i believe with amare and reymond felton.
>Denver better without melo, new york worse with melo
>Melo gets hurt
>New york goes on a win streak without him on the floor
>Also Linsanity happens
>Melo comes back. New york sucks again
>Destroys the best story in the nba in years and kills linsanity and attacks dantoni and forces dantoni to step down
>Says he didn't want JR Smith on the team
> Now JR smith is the best scorer on the team
>Melo takes all the credit for new york success, when they play better without him
>playoffs. 2 times to get it done and can't because melo is mentally soft

Did I ever say Tyson Chandler sucked? No. I never mentioned him. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize he is the defense of the Knicks. I'm not an idiot like you think I am just because I think Melo is actually good.

Oh, well if you're using playoff success to determine how good someone is, I'm sure you'd like to put Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Derrick Rose in that list of worst players ever, right? Come to think of it, Elgin Baylor, Karl Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley were all pretty terrible since they never won a championship, so maybe you should also include them on your list of worst players ever.

Also, how are you gonna try to say that Smith is a better scorer than Melo when Melo led the league is scoring?

steve nash and chris paul yes. ive actually never really got a chance to see derrick rose play so i dont know if i should like him or not. Chris Paul has good leadership and stuff but i have yet to see him do good against other good defensive guards. I always prefereed derron williams to chris paul because he was bigger and stronger and a better defender. And you keep saying i'm wrong but yet not one player you mentioned has a championship. So you really can't claim im wrong

but i do find derrick rose interesting and he looks so smooth when he scores. though i will say I understand he wants to be safe but now it's been over a year and he is not there for his team is kinda frustrating because i wanted to watch him a few times.

because like i said melo shoots 7 for 35 too much. melo isn't a better scorer he just shoots a lot more AND has an entire offense tailored to him. When he doesn't like something everything is changed for him to pad his stats

The reason of me listing those players was because they're all great players without championships. I was being sarcastic with that paragraph, in case you couldn't tell. The point I was trying to make is that players can be great without winning championships, with the aforementioned players being my examples. It appears you just said that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are among the worst players to ever play, which makes me think you're extremely ignorant and incompetent. In that case, there's no point in wasting anymore time "debating" with you.

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him

he is as bad as i think him to be. he's not even even the best player ON HIS TEAM

he's a role player. all he does is score. thats not a good player. lets checklist melo

scoring 7/10 (he shoots too much and doesn't make enough)
defense 4/10
LEADERSHIP 2/10
rebounding 4/10
blocks 1/10
steals 4/10
HUSTLE 3/10
selfishness 10/10
crybaby 9/10
takes suble shots at his own teammates 8/10

best player? hardly. he is a glorified bench player

Okay. Let's keep doing these ratings.

amount he's carried that team this entire year: 7/10
making more money than you: 10/10
more famous than you: 10/10
could kick your ass in basketball: 10/10
amount he cares that you obnoxiously hate on him: 0/10

person who has carried the team all year
Tyson Chandler
even jr smith has made more big shots than melo

its just like people like you who say tyson chandler sucks when he is the reason for anchoring their defense. but guys like you cant appreciate defense because all you watch is ESPN

go ahead and attack me. you will never in your life know more about basketball then me and will NEVER win in a basketball debate against me. never in your life.

and tell me how many times has melo made it out of the first round before? 1 time. and that was because iverson got traded for chauncey billups. who carried the team that far.

Let's look at melo's track record

>Denver team built FOR him. suck with him
>Melo gets traded to new york for danillo galanario when the knicks were ON FIRE before melo got traded there. They were the number 1 seed at one point i believe with amare and reymond felton.
>Denver better without melo, new york worse with melo
>Melo gets hurt
>New york goes on a win streak without him on the floor
>Also Linsanity happens
>Melo comes back. New york sucks again
>Destroys the best story in the nba in years and kills linsanity and attacks dantoni and forces dantoni to step down
>Says he didn't want JR Smith on the team
> Now JR smith is the best scorer on the team
>Melo takes all the credit for new york success, when they play better without him
>playoffs. 2 times to get it done and can't because melo is mentally soft

Did I ever say Tyson Chandler sucked? No. I never mentioned him. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize he is the defense of the Knicks. I'm not an idiot like you think I am just because I think Melo is actually good.

Oh, well if you're using playoff success to determine how good someone is, I'm sure you'd like to put Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Derrick Rose in that list of worst players ever, right? Come to think of it, Elgin Baylor, Karl Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley were all pretty terrible since they never won a championship, so maybe you should also include them on your list of worst players ever.

Also, how are you gonna try to say that Smith is a better scorer than Melo when Melo led the league is scoring?

steve nash and chris paul yes. ive actually never really got a chance to see derrick rose play so i dont know if i should like him or not. Chris Paul has good leadership and stuff but i have yet to see him do good against other good defensive guards. I always prefereed derron williams to chris paul because he was bigger and stronger and a better defender. And you keep saying i'm wrong but yet not one player you mentioned has a championship. So you really can't claim im wrong

but i do find derrick rose interesting and he looks so smooth when he scores. though i will say I understand he wants to be safe but now it's been over a year and he is not there for his team is kinda frustrating because i wanted to watch him a few times.

because like i said melo shoots 7 for 35 too much. melo isn't a better scorer he just shoots a lot more AND has an entire offense tailored to him. When he doesn't like something everything is changed for him to pad his stats

The reason of me listing those players was because they're all great players without championships. I was being sarcastic with that paragraph, in case you couldn't tell. The point I was trying to make is that players can be great without winning championships, with the aforementioned players being my examples. It appears you just said that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are among the worst players to ever play, which makes me think you're extremely ignorant and incompetent. In that case, there's no point in wasting anymore time "debating" with you.

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him

he's not top ten thats the point. i assume you are fat because you kiss athletes asses. All you gotta do is drive him to the middle of the lane and let him shoot his jumpers. let him go 7 for 35 for his 25 points. that dont make him good

worst players ever in the league

Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady
Carmelo Anthony
Charlie Villanueva
Ben Gordon

Apparently youve never heard of the Magic

magic johnson or orlando magic? and why are we bringing them up?

Um..okay...I'll play along....What convinces you that someone is a good player

make plays they shouldn't make
actually likes contact
HIGH BASKETBALL IQ
mentally tough through the grind
is kind of a jerk
plays defense
plays defense
plays defense
is the hardest working player on the team
also having length and athletisicm doesn't hurt.
Most important is versitile in skill set. if all you can do is score like melo or mcgrady you are not a good player

lets face it in this day and age the traditional big man is dead and buried and replaced with soft finesse players who are just large guards basically like chris bosh or dirk nowitzki. anyone who would fall into the category of finesse player like melo and chris paul and chris bosh will always be less than a great player in my mind. Especially when everyone cries about being hit and lets the refs win the game for them

Youre saying Dwight isnt like the traditional big man?

he can barely post up. and he's too soft. even shaq doesn't give him respect

Shaq doesnt like Dwight and almost everyone else does (before he became a little bitch) And Dwight always post up, he cant shoot for shit. His biggest achievement in my mind is when he shot a 3 pointer in the all star game 2 years ago

not when he won the dunk contest?

Also forgot one more quality in a good player. makes other players better

Id rather have "worst players" than the starting 5 on the Magic

tracy mcgrady never made it out of the first round of the playoffs and he was on the magic

At least they made the Playoffs

and they lost to the pistons in the first round. they were up 3-1 in the series and he said "man it feels good to be in the second round for the first time" Detroit pistons came back and won 3 straight

Still better than this last season

he was in china last season cause no one wanted him

also while we on the magic. dwight howard is overrated and if andrew bynum could stay healthy he would be better than dwight

Dwight wasn't overrated when he was with the Magic

yeah he was. he really was. he always was. always his. he is not mentally tough enough to be good

He averaged about 19 points per game with the magic and led league in rebound in that span. Not to mention 3 time defensive player of the year, 7x all star, and 5x All NBA first team

dont ever quote stats if you want to convince me someone is good.

I'll put the league's leading scorer in the top ten any day of the week, plain and simple. I don't kiss ass. I just know how good people are, and I hold no biases in that regard. How does me respecting an athlete mean that I'm fat? You're just upset because Carmelo isn't as bad as you want him to be. Also, I don't think those are the worst players ever. I think those are your least favorite players, for whatever reason.

he is as bad as i think him to be. he's not even even the best player ON HIS TEAM

he's a role player. all he does is score. thats not a good player. lets checklist melo

scoring 7/10 (he shoots too much and doesn't make enough)
defense 4/10
LEADERSHIP 2/10
rebounding 4/10
blocks 1/10
steals 4/10
HUSTLE 3/10
selfishness 10/10
crybaby 9/10
takes suble shots at his own teammates 8/10

best player? hardly. he is a glorified bench player

Okay. Let's keep doing these ratings.

amount he's carried that team this entire year: 7/10
making more money than you: 10/10
more famous than you: 10/10
could kick your ass in basketball: 10/10
amount he cares that you obnoxiously hate on him: 0/10

person who has carried the team all year
Tyson Chandler
even jr smith has made more big shots than melo

its just like people like you who say tyson chandler sucks when he is the reason for anchoring their defense. but guys like you cant appreciate defense because all you watch is ESPN

go ahead and attack me. you will never in your life know more about basketball then me and will NEVER win in a basketball debate against me. never in your life.

and tell me how many times has melo made it out of the first round before? 1 time. and that was because iverson got traded for chauncey billups. who carried the team that far.

Let's look at melo's track record

>Denver team built FOR him. suck with him
>Melo gets traded to new york for danillo galanario when the knicks were ON FIRE before melo got traded there. They were the number 1 seed at one point i believe with amare and reymond felton.
>Denver better without melo, new york worse with melo
>Melo gets hurt
>New york goes on a win streak without him on the floor
>Also Linsanity happens
>Melo comes back. New york sucks again
>Destroys the best story in the nba in years and kills linsanity and attacks dantoni and forces dantoni to step down
>Says he didn't want JR Smith on the team
> Now JR smith is the best scorer on the team
>Melo takes all the credit for new york success, when they play better without him
>playoffs. 2 times to get it done and can't because melo is mentally soft

Did I ever say Tyson Chandler sucked? No. I never mentioned him. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize he is the defense of the Knicks. I'm not an idiot like you think I am just because I think Melo is actually good.

Oh, well if you're using playoff success to determine how good someone is, I'm sure you'd like to put Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Derrick Rose in that list of worst players ever, right? Come to think of it, Elgin Baylor, Karl Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley were all pretty terrible since they never won a championship, so maybe you should also include them on your list of worst players ever.

Also, how are you gonna try to say that Smith is a better scorer than Melo when Melo led the league is scoring?

steve nash and chris paul yes. ive actually never really got a chance to see derrick rose play so i dont know if i should like him or not. Chris Paul has good leadership and stuff but i have yet to see him do good against other good defensive guards. I always prefereed derron williams to chris paul because he was bigger and stronger and a better defender. And you keep saying i'm wrong but yet not one player you mentioned has a championship. So you really can't claim im wrong

but i do find derrick rose interesting and he looks so smooth when he scores. though i will say I understand he wants to be safe but now it's been over a year and he is not there for his team is kinda frustrating because i wanted to watch him a few times.

because like i said melo shoots 7 for 35 too much. melo isn't a better scorer he just shoots a lot more AND has an entire offense tailored to him. When he doesn't like something everything is changed for him to pad his stats

The reason of me listing those players was because they're all great players without championships. I was being sarcastic with that paragraph, in case you couldn't tell. The point I was trying to make is that players can be great without winning championships, with the aforementioned players being my examples. It appears you just said that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are among the worst players to ever play, which makes me think you're extremely ignorant and incompetent. In that case, there's no point in wasting anymore time "debating" with you.

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him

i dont respect him because he's a bad person. how about you stop assuming he's better than me?

loser

faggot

I don't see how he's a bad person, and I'm pretty sure I can be safe with my assumption that a top-ten player in the NBA is better than you.

Also, you're wildly creative with your insults.

he's not top ten thats the point. i assume you are fat because you kiss athletes asses. All you gotta do is drive him to the middle of the lane and let him shoot his jumpers. let him go 7 for 35 for his 25 points. that dont make him good

worst players ever in the league

Allen Iverson
Tracy McGrady
Carmelo Anthony
Charlie Villanueva
Ben Gordon

Apparently youve never heard of the Magic

magic johnson or orlando magic? and why are we bringing them up?

Um..okay...I'll play along....What convinces you that someone is a good player

make plays they shouldn't make
actually likes contact
HIGH BASKETBALL IQ
mentally tough through the grind
is kind of a jerk
plays defense
plays defense
plays defense
is the hardest working player on the team
also having length and athletisicm doesn't hurt.
Most important is versitile in skill set. if all you can do is score like melo or mcgrady you are not a good player

lets face it in this day and age the traditional big man is dead and buried and replaced with soft finesse players who are just large guards basically like chris bosh or dirk nowitzki. anyone who would fall into the category of finesse player like melo and chris paul and chris bosh will always be less than a great player in my mind. Especially when everyone cries about being hit and lets the refs win the game for them

Youre saying Dwight isnt like the traditional big man?

he can barely post up. and he's too soft. even shaq doesn't give him respect

Shaq doesnt like Dwight and almost everyone else does (before he became a little bitch) And Dwight always post up, he cant shoot for shit. His biggest achievement in my mind is when he shot a 3 pointer in the all star game 2 years ago

not when he won the dunk contest?

Also forgot one more quality in a good player. makes other players better

Id rather have "worst players" than the starting 5 on the Magic

tracy mcgrady never made it out of the first round of the playoffs and he was on the magic

At least they made the Playoffs

and they lost to the pistons in the first round. they were up 3-1 in the series and he said "man it feels good to be in the second round for the first time" Detroit pistons came back and won 3 straight

Still better than this last season

he was in china last season cause no one wanted him

also while we on the magic. dwight howard is overrated and if andrew bynum could stay healthy he would be better than dwight

Dwight wasn't overrated when he was with the Magic

yeah he was. he really was. he always was. always his. he is not mentally tough enough to be good

He averaged about 19 points per game with the magic and led league in rebound in that span. Not to mention 3 time defensive player of the year, 7x all star, and 5x All NBA first team

dont ever quote stats if you want to convince me someone is good.

I'll put the league's leading scorer in the top ten any day of the week, plain and simple. I don't kiss ass. I just know how good people are, and I hold no biases in that regard. How does me respecting an athlete mean that I'm fat? You're just upset because Carmelo isn't as bad as you want him to be. Also, I don't think those are the worst players ever. I think those are your least favorite players, for whatever reason.

he is as bad as i think him to be. he's not even even the best player ON HIS TEAM

he's a role player. all he does is score. thats not a good player. lets checklist melo

scoring 7/10 (he shoots too much and doesn't make enough)
defense 4/10
LEADERSHIP 2/10
rebounding 4/10
blocks 1/10
steals 4/10
HUSTLE 3/10
selfishness 10/10
crybaby 9/10
takes suble shots at his own teammates 8/10

best player? hardly. he is a glorified bench player

Okay. Let's keep doing these ratings.

amount he's carried that team this entire year: 7/10
making more money than you: 10/10
more famous than you: 10/10
could kick your ass in basketball: 10/10
amount he cares that you obnoxiously hate on him: 0/10

person who has carried the team all year
Tyson Chandler
even jr smith has made more big shots than melo

its just like people like you who say tyson chandler sucks when he is the reason for anchoring their defense. but guys like you cant appreciate defense because all you watch is ESPN

go ahead and attack me. you will never in your life know more about basketball then me and will NEVER win in a basketball debate against me. never in your life.

and tell me how many times has melo made it out of the first round before? 1 time. and that was because iverson got traded for chauncey billups. who carried the team that far.

Let's look at melo's track record

>Denver team built FOR him. suck with him
>Melo gets traded to new york for danillo galanario when the knicks were ON FIRE before melo got traded there. They were the number 1 seed at one point i believe with amare and reymond felton.
>Denver better without melo, new york worse with melo
>Melo gets hurt
>New york goes on a win streak without him on the floor
>Also Linsanity happens
>Melo comes back. New york sucks again
>Destroys the best story in the nba in years and kills linsanity and attacks dantoni and forces dantoni to step down
>Says he didn't want JR Smith on the team
> Now JR smith is the best scorer on the team
>Melo takes all the credit for new york success, when they play better without him
>playoffs. 2 times to get it done and can't because melo is mentally soft

Did I ever say Tyson Chandler sucked? No. I never mentioned him. Don't put words into my mouth. I realize he is the defense of the Knicks. I'm not an idiot like you think I am just because I think Melo is actually good.

Oh, well if you're using playoff success to determine how good someone is, I'm sure you'd like to put Steve Nash, Chris Paul, and Derrick Rose in that list of worst players ever, right? Come to think of it, Elgin Baylor, Karl Malone, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley were all pretty terrible since they never won a championship, so maybe you should also include them on your list of worst players ever.

Also, how are you gonna try to say that Smith is a better scorer than Melo when Melo led the league is scoring?

steve nash and chris paul yes. ive actually never really got a chance to see derrick rose play so i dont know if i should like him or not. Chris Paul has good leadership and stuff but i have yet to see him do good against other good defensive guards. I always prefereed derron williams to chris paul because he was bigger and stronger and a better defender. And you keep saying i'm wrong but yet not one player you mentioned has a championship. So you really can't claim im wrong

but i do find derrick rose interesting and he looks so smooth when he scores. though i will say I understand he wants to be safe but now it's been over a year and he is not there for his team is kinda frustrating because i wanted to watch him a few times.

because like i said melo shoots 7 for 35 too much. melo isn't a better scorer he just shoots a lot more AND has an entire offense tailored to him. When he doesn't like something everything is changed for him to pad his stats

The reason of me listing those players was because they're all great players without championships. I was being sarcastic with that paragraph, in case you couldn't tell. The point I was trying to make is that players can be great without winning championships, with the aforementioned players being my examples. It appears you just said that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are among the worst players to ever play, which makes me think you're extremely ignorant and incompetent. In that case, there's no point in wasting anymore time "debating" with you.

worst? no

would i ever have them on my team? probably not

i'd have andre miller as my point guard

see guys like you probably play fantasy sports and you assume someone is good if they are good fantasy players

let me tell you my criteria for a great player

High Basketball IQ
High Talent
Mental and physical toughness. i HATE finesse players.

basically here's my list of great players
Andre Miller
Luol Deng
Tim Duncan
Joakim Noah
Dwayne Wade
Lebron James (and he wouldn't even be on this list a couple years ago)
Andre Drummond

tyson chandler too

but to be honest if there were better big men in the league i might not add him