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#25 - Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finni…  [+] (2 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
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#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
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#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#23 - Let's see what you think when the petrodollar hits the fan …  [+] (4 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
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#24 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
What the fuck...? Where you from buddy?
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#25 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finnish Supreme Warlords so I could commit Recreational Homicide® on the roads I own stocks to for the low price of 20.57878 bitcoins. Hmm, then I nuked and conquered my friends' child asbestos mine fjords for raising the price of cocaine to 10000000000 BTC. Gotem good. How's it going out there in Austria eh? Greetings from the Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Laplandic sweatshop districts.
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#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
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#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#21 - Your tolerance makes me want to agree with you. But it doe…  [+] (6 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
#22 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
You don't have to. I realized it is non of my business how americans reinvent the wheel because they perceive bent spokes as fatal flaws. Ill put my trust in a headstrong hybrid system that has proven to work over decades upon decades.

Btw, what is your opinion on Ayn Rand? Just curious.
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#23 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Let's see what you think when the petrodollar hits the fan

I don't know much about her. She apparenty tried to espouse a philosophy similar to mine through some apparently pretty poorly written books but for some personal reasons I can respect. Someone made a game that I haven't played with a philosophy similar to hers talked about here: The Philosophy of Bioshock Andrew Ryan Ayn Rand Objectivism The rest I know is pure hearsay. Personality cults?

What I guess I can say about what I think about her is that I like stateless free markets... derp
Thanks for asking. This stuff is my only social interaction. I nuked all my friends and sent my wife and kids to slavery and btw I'm not American
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#24 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
What the fuck...? Where you from buddy?
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#25 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finnish Supreme Warlords so I could commit Recreational Homicide® on the roads I own stocks to for the low price of 20.57878 bitcoins. Hmm, then I nuked and conquered my friends' child asbestos mine fjords for raising the price of cocaine to 10000000000 BTC. Gotem good. How's it going out there in Austria eh? Greetings from the Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Laplandic sweatshop districts.
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#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
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#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#17 - Well, then I'll just go on talking like as if my opponent just…  [+] (10 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
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#19 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Okay, wall of fucking text I know. Here is a tl:dr:

We are comparing apples and oranges. We grew up under two different types of governments on I assume two different side of the globe The USA(I assume) and me, Europe/Austria . Mine a beneficial guardian/servant, while your's an exploiter with a self serving agenda. Two Polar opposites.

I see why your view is more appealing when we talk about the USA And I assume we are afterall the majority demographic of this site is American and the idea of libertarianism is fringe in the rest of the world. .

But for me, someone who lives under a system that mostly works like a properly geared and oiled clock, removing it would be insistance on suicide.

I hope this clears things up and brings us to a consensus.
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#21 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Your tolerance makes me want to agree with you.
But it doesn't make me agree with you.
#22 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
You don't have to. I realized it is non of my business how americans reinvent the wheel because they perceive bent spokes as fatal flaws. Ill put my trust in a headstrong hybrid system that has proven to work over decades upon decades.

Btw, what is your opinion on Ayn Rand? Just curious.
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#23 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Let's see what you think when the petrodollar hits the fan

I don't know much about her. She apparenty tried to espouse a philosophy similar to mine through some apparently pretty poorly written books but for some personal reasons I can respect. Someone made a game that I haven't played with a philosophy similar to hers talked about here: The Philosophy of Bioshock Andrew Ryan Ayn Rand Objectivism The rest I know is pure hearsay. Personality cults?

What I guess I can say about what I think about her is that I like stateless free markets... derp
Thanks for asking. This stuff is my only social interaction. I nuked all my friends and sent my wife and kids to slavery and btw I'm not American
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#24 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
What the fuck...? Where you from buddy?
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#25 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finnish Supreme Warlords so I could commit Recreational Homicide® on the roads I own stocks to for the low price of 20.57878 bitcoins. Hmm, then I nuked and conquered my friends' child asbestos mine fjords for raising the price of cocaine to 10000000000 BTC. Gotem good. How's it going out there in Austria eh? Greetings from the Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Laplandic sweatshop districts.
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#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
User avatar
#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#18 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
I'll answer this one cause it is rather amusing. The first paragraph not so much because it seems like just a bunch of weird Gobbledygook. Or maybe my filthy slav subhuman brain is not developed enough to understand it.

> Oh, and last thing, you know, since you don't want to talk this over, is that that "panacea" argument cuts both ways. Protection and national defense? GUBMENT!!! vOLUNTARY MONEY EXCHANGE? GUBMENT!!!!!!!

Yeah, that is why a government exists... To why you know? Do these things? We kind of entrusted them with solving it for us? And we should happily replace that said Government the moment we notice that they are there to rake in our shekels instead of using them to help us.

And this is exactly how things work in a country I live in Austria, yes I am an immigrant but not a "peaceful refugee" . While almost all services are privatized I can be sure that a greedy shekel heistlering egoists are not going to fill their pockets at my expense to their hearts content because of a misconceived frilly notion of "muh freedom". How do I know that? Because I elected a guarding with a big fucking baton and a list of state mandated standards to swat the fucker if he turns into a blood sucker or doesn't provide what he promised. Hybrid, like many countries in Europe.

Here is what the EBIL and corrupt GUBMENT did for me so far with my tax money Or invested said money for private company to figure things out .

- The roads are kept in mint condition.
- Public transportation eliminated the need for a car entirely.
- My education was free, and in fact I am paid and encouraged to get one.
- I can trust that I will be financially supported in the time of crisis.
- I can trust that I will be saved during natural disasters.
- I am sure that I will receive immediate medical attention despite of how poor I am.

You see, I hazard a guess this probably due to the fact that we grew up under two different types of Governments. You are a libertarian so it is safe to assume that you are from the United States. While I am a filthy slav Immigrant who spent most of his life in Austria. And this is why our views differ, we were subject to two different forms of government. While I was under the wing of a guardian trying to make sure everything is fine, you were the subject of a more self centered abusing government who had it's own agenda and was more concerned about abusing your Tax money for it's own means. In wich case I think I understand why people would like to get rid of the government, you have grown to see it as a parasite not a protector.

I may be going off on a tangent here but I think we were comparing apples to oranges this whole time instead of going to the root cause.
#20 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Oh now I remember it, from my middle school history class, when the High Council of Humanity signed the Goverment Treaty with the incorruptible race of war deities.

That logic you just applied to your country can be applied to the entirety of the government. Just because poeple will be thinking of their own self interests without the proxy of the govenrment, doesn't mean that we will descend into slavery and ceaseless feudalist voilence, you statist hater. stater..
Looking at it proportionally, do you think that there will be more warlordism under a decentralized free market of peaceful cooperation, or an omnipotent monopoly with the last say of any entire industry? One has individuals personally incetivized to help each other, and the other sows the seeds for unfettered corruption and propaganda, im lookin at you. Your Apocalyptic Farce arguments are hypotheses. See these for another opinion: Law Without Government Full Mirror But Wouldnt Warlords Take Over by Robert P Murphy

As I've said before, the fact that there is a system that provides some services publicly says next to nothing about their free market alternatives. At best you're being bribed for a ruling class to hold onto their ILLEGITIMATE monopolist positions. Additionally, there is a thing called the tragedy of the commons where private individuals are actually more strongly incentivized to maintain their infrastructure for profit.
>public trasportation
Ubers... expanding on their model..
>free education
Just shoot me in the head right here right now. Free as in mandatory taxation pays for it? Valuing public education? Private schools aren't a thing?
>financial support and natural disasters
insurance and charity?
>medical attention
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ

You want to call of the debate to reduce the matter to IDENTITARIAN POLITICS? Yet you still have your own root cause in your mind... let me guess... capitalism?
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#13 - Don't you come to me with mere assertions of working in realit…  [+] (12 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
#16 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
So who keeps the launch codes for the Nukes, son? 597.5 Billion Dollars are given the various branches of the US military. More than half of that is needed to keep them alive. The facilities and institutions needed to maintain and develop the military Branches did not rise over night. And many are funded despite not being actively used right now but because of their purpose for the future situations that may arise.

Do you think something like the US military and the facilities needed to run it will grow over night after being forgotten, entirely abandoned or reduced to mere brigade sized Token army? The answer is no, waving the "lol Free market" wand over a dead military complex won't do shit when after decades of peace Ivan gets delirium tremens after all the Vodka and gets into his T90 to roll over you privately owned yard.

All you do is wave your "free market" wand like it would solve anything. How do we fund the hundreds of instutions needed to make the modern world possible? LOL FREE MARKET. How do we prevent Chin Chong Min Song from running us over? Lol FREE MARKET OF COURSE! Charity and Philantropy? Lol FREE MARKET BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

I'll just stop talking now. Instead I will take solace in the fact this bogus "system" lack there of from what it seems like will forever stay burried in minds of rich depressed fat white people and teen age spergs who want to sound profound and deep like a bunch of political hipsters And seeing how you say m8 and nigga so much I think you belong to the latter category. . You can keep ranting, raving and waving the free market pseudo panacea all you want, but I'll just ignore it from now on.
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#17 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Well, then I'll just go on talking like as if my opponent just ran away from his podium at a debate.

Privatization doesn't mean erasing from history and then starting from scratch. It means being provided non-centrally. That's why I can "wave my free market wand" and not have to tell you the locker PIN number of the security guard who works at the 325th protection agency 200 years from now. But how will the agency function if you don't have a code to tell me??? Ffs, why make that arbitrary distinction between nukes and all other weapons? What you're saying is like there wouldn't be volunteering directors to work as generals, informants or any responsible positions, even if they were found to be extremely useful and thus have high market demand. DOESN'T MEAN that there would have to be a permanent class of directors, only at times of invading superpowers, to the degree that it's necessary in a natural environment.

I just gave you a link that I think gives you a lot of closure to those questions. Charities? Since when was the government an integral part of it? Ever heard of crowdfunding?

Oh, and last thing, you know, since you don't want to talk this over, is that that "panacea" argument cuts both ways. Protection and national defense? GUBMENT!!! vOLUNTARY MONEY EXCHANGE? GUBMENT!!!!!!!

And thanks posthumosly for the adhominems m'nigga postalm8, I shall feed them to my starving prostitute children in exchange for letting me into their nuke-fortified brothel-rooms.
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#19 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Okay, wall of fucking text I know. Here is a tl:dr:

We are comparing apples and oranges. We grew up under two different types of governments on I assume two different side of the globe The USA(I assume) and me, Europe/Austria . Mine a beneficial guardian/servant, while your's an exploiter with a self serving agenda. Two Polar opposites.

I see why your view is more appealing when we talk about the USA And I assume we are afterall the majority demographic of this site is American and the idea of libertarianism is fringe in the rest of the world. .

But for me, someone who lives under a system that mostly works like a properly geared and oiled clock, removing it would be insistance on suicide.

I hope this clears things up and brings us to a consensus.
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#21 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Your tolerance makes me want to agree with you.
But it doesn't make me agree with you.
#22 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
You don't have to. I realized it is non of my business how americans reinvent the wheel because they perceive bent spokes as fatal flaws. Ill put my trust in a headstrong hybrid system that has proven to work over decades upon decades.

Btw, what is your opinion on Ayn Rand? Just curious.
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#23 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Let's see what you think when the petrodollar hits the fan

I don't know much about her. She apparenty tried to espouse a philosophy similar to mine through some apparently pretty poorly written books but for some personal reasons I can respect. Someone made a game that I haven't played with a philosophy similar to hers talked about here: The Philosophy of Bioshock Andrew Ryan Ayn Rand Objectivism The rest I know is pure hearsay. Personality cults?

What I guess I can say about what I think about her is that I like stateless free markets... derp
Thanks for asking. This stuff is my only social interaction. I nuked all my friends and sent my wife and kids to slavery and btw I'm not American
User avatar
#24 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
What the fuck...? Where you from buddy?
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#25 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finnish Supreme Warlords so I could commit Recreational Homicide® on the roads I own stocks to for the low price of 20.57878 bitcoins. Hmm, then I nuked and conquered my friends' child asbestos mine fjords for raising the price of cocaine to 10000000000 BTC. Gotem good. How's it going out there in Austria eh? Greetings from the Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Laplandic sweatshop districts.
User avatar
#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
User avatar
#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#18 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
I'll answer this one cause it is rather amusing. The first paragraph not so much because it seems like just a bunch of weird Gobbledygook. Or maybe my filthy slav subhuman brain is not developed enough to understand it.

> Oh, and last thing, you know, since you don't want to talk this over, is that that "panacea" argument cuts both ways. Protection and national defense? GUBMENT!!! vOLUNTARY MONEY EXCHANGE? GUBMENT!!!!!!!

Yeah, that is why a government exists... To why you know? Do these things? We kind of entrusted them with solving it for us? And we should happily replace that said Government the moment we notice that they are there to rake in our shekels instead of using them to help us.

And this is exactly how things work in a country I live in Austria, yes I am an immigrant but not a "peaceful refugee" . While almost all services are privatized I can be sure that a greedy shekel heistlering egoists are not going to fill their pockets at my expense to their hearts content because of a misconceived frilly notion of "muh freedom". How do I know that? Because I elected a guarding with a big fucking baton and a list of state mandated standards to swat the fucker if he turns into a blood sucker or doesn't provide what he promised. Hybrid, like many countries in Europe.

Here is what the EBIL and corrupt GUBMENT did for me so far with my tax money Or invested said money for private company to figure things out .

- The roads are kept in mint condition.
- Public transportation eliminated the need for a car entirely.
- My education was free, and in fact I am paid and encouraged to get one.
- I can trust that I will be financially supported in the time of crisis.
- I can trust that I will be saved during natural disasters.
- I am sure that I will receive immediate medical attention despite of how poor I am.

You see, I hazard a guess this probably due to the fact that we grew up under two different types of Governments. You are a libertarian so it is safe to assume that you are from the United States. While I am a filthy slav Immigrant who spent most of his life in Austria. And this is why our views differ, we were subject to two different forms of government. While I was under the wing of a guardian trying to make sure everything is fine, you were the subject of a more self centered abusing government who had it's own agenda and was more concerned about abusing your Tax money for it's own means. In wich case I think I understand why people would like to get rid of the government, you have grown to see it as a parasite not a protector.

I may be going off on a tangent here but I think we were comparing apples to oranges this whole time instead of going to the root cause.
#20 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Oh now I remember it, from my middle school history class, when the High Council of Humanity signed the Goverment Treaty with the incorruptible race of war deities.

That logic you just applied to your country can be applied to the entirety of the government. Just because poeple will be thinking of their own self interests without the proxy of the govenrment, doesn't mean that we will descend into slavery and ceaseless feudalist voilence, you statist hater. stater..
Looking at it proportionally, do you think that there will be more warlordism under a decentralized free market of peaceful cooperation, or an omnipotent monopoly with the last say of any entire industry? One has individuals personally incetivized to help each other, and the other sows the seeds for unfettered corruption and propaganda, im lookin at you. Your Apocalyptic Farce arguments are hypotheses. See these for another opinion: Law Without Government Full Mirror But Wouldnt Warlords Take Over by Robert P Murphy

As I've said before, the fact that there is a system that provides some services publicly says next to nothing about their free market alternatives. At best you're being bribed for a ruling class to hold onto their ILLEGITIMATE monopolist positions. Additionally, there is a thing called the tragedy of the commons where private individuals are actually more strongly incentivized to maintain their infrastructure for profit.
>public trasportation
Ubers... expanding on their model..
>free education
Just shoot me in the head right here right now. Free as in mandatory taxation pays for it? Valuing public education? Private schools aren't a thing?
>financial support and natural disasters
insurance and charity?
>medical attention
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ

You want to call of the debate to reduce the matter to IDENTITARIAN POLITICS? Yet you still have your own root cause in your mind... let me guess... capitalism?
#8 - Where are the kindergarteners' parents with their protection a…  [+] (15 replies) 08/12/2016 on That freedom when 0
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#9 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
"society based on voluntaryism" Yeah, maybe when pigs fly and human nature is no longer a thing. You know what Communism and Libertarianism have in common? They are utopian world views that will never work in reality.

Bulwarks like what? The National guard, North American Aerospace Defense Command, the Army? Yeah those would not be a thing. Hey, an organized super power invades a la World at War. Who will handle homefront defence? Localized patches of PMC goon squads who fight for money? The populace will probably have a hard time shooting missiles out of the air with small arms fire. Who gets to keep the nuke codes? The fucker who sits on the biggest pile of gold like scrooge mcduck?

Btw, how many agencies would you have to pay every month? Like a couple of hundred, thousand? Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather pay some taxes and let the big Gov decide how it speards out the funding for the thousands of agencies that makes modern life possible.


You sure love saying "Nigga" a lot. Stop it, it is kind of cringy Imo.
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#13 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Don't you come to me with mere assertions of working in reality when both sides work with would-be scenarios based on internal logic. I'll give you that communism is utopian and never works, AFTER ALL, we have substantial proof.

From an individualist perspective, a society is formed through individuals privately understanding the consequences of their actions, so a temporary defensive against an invading superstate can be formed voluntarily when the situation demands it, out of resources already used for self-defense. That is a legitimate concern, so there will be market demand for preparational institutions and resources for it. Any government service you can think of could be provided competitively. The only unique need the government has to satisfy is the cultural delusion that its monopoly is necessary.

Soak up thiss'n if u want: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaqD81dDW94&index=21&list=PLD6D19E43174195FE
Oh, how many exactly? Here, let me check my spreadsheet. Let's see... about 4233,78842001.
The entire point of the free market order is for it to discover the practically best solution through the laws of supply and demand and the discipline of market competition. It just becomes the duty of people like me to satisfy the cognitive need for closure of all y'all who trust a coercive monopoly better. And what about the oiligarchs and the fractional reserve central banking fraud that's funneled the wealth of America to the scrooge mcducks for like a century now? Nawwww, naw naw naw m8, it's free market capitalism m8.

PS. you would know, stalker ass nigga.
#16 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
So who keeps the launch codes for the Nukes, son? 597.5 Billion Dollars are given the various branches of the US military. More than half of that is needed to keep them alive. The facilities and institutions needed to maintain and develop the military Branches did not rise over night. And many are funded despite not being actively used right now but because of their purpose for the future situations that may arise.

Do you think something like the US military and the facilities needed to run it will grow over night after being forgotten, entirely abandoned or reduced to mere brigade sized Token army? The answer is no, waving the "lol Free market" wand over a dead military complex won't do shit when after decades of peace Ivan gets delirium tremens after all the Vodka and gets into his T90 to roll over you privately owned yard.

All you do is wave your "free market" wand like it would solve anything. How do we fund the hundreds of instutions needed to make the modern world possible? LOL FREE MARKET. How do we prevent Chin Chong Min Song from running us over? Lol FREE MARKET OF COURSE! Charity and Philantropy? Lol FREE MARKET BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!

I'll just stop talking now. Instead I will take solace in the fact this bogus "system" lack there of from what it seems like will forever stay burried in minds of rich depressed fat white people and teen age spergs who want to sound profound and deep like a bunch of political hipsters And seeing how you say m8 and nigga so much I think you belong to the latter category. . You can keep ranting, raving and waving the free market pseudo panacea all you want, but I'll just ignore it from now on.
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#17 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Well, then I'll just go on talking like as if my opponent just ran away from his podium at a debate.

Privatization doesn't mean erasing from history and then starting from scratch. It means being provided non-centrally. That's why I can "wave my free market wand" and not have to tell you the locker PIN number of the security guard who works at the 325th protection agency 200 years from now. But how will the agency function if you don't have a code to tell me??? Ffs, why make that arbitrary distinction between nukes and all other weapons? What you're saying is like there wouldn't be volunteering directors to work as generals, informants or any responsible positions, even if they were found to be extremely useful and thus have high market demand. DOESN'T MEAN that there would have to be a permanent class of directors, only at times of invading superpowers, to the degree that it's necessary in a natural environment.

I just gave you a link that I think gives you a lot of closure to those questions. Charities? Since when was the government an integral part of it? Ever heard of crowdfunding?

Oh, and last thing, you know, since you don't want to talk this over, is that that "panacea" argument cuts both ways. Protection and national defense? GUBMENT!!! vOLUNTARY MONEY EXCHANGE? GUBMENT!!!!!!!

And thanks posthumosly for the adhominems m'nigga postalm8, I shall feed them to my starving prostitute children in exchange for letting me into their nuke-fortified brothel-rooms.
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#19 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Okay, wall of fucking text I know. Here is a tl:dr:

We are comparing apples and oranges. We grew up under two different types of governments on I assume two different side of the globe The USA(I assume) and me, Europe/Austria . Mine a beneficial guardian/servant, while your's an exploiter with a self serving agenda. Two Polar opposites.

I see why your view is more appealing when we talk about the USA And I assume we are afterall the majority demographic of this site is American and the idea of libertarianism is fringe in the rest of the world. .

But for me, someone who lives under a system that mostly works like a properly geared and oiled clock, removing it would be insistance on suicide.

I hope this clears things up and brings us to a consensus.
User avatar
#21 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Your tolerance makes me want to agree with you.
But it doesn't make me agree with you.
#22 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
You don't have to. I realized it is non of my business how americans reinvent the wheel because they perceive bent spokes as fatal flaws. Ill put my trust in a headstrong hybrid system that has proven to work over decades upon decades.

Btw, what is your opinion on Ayn Rand? Just curious.
User avatar
#23 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Let's see what you think when the petrodollar hits the fan

I don't know much about her. She apparenty tried to espouse a philosophy similar to mine through some apparently pretty poorly written books but for some personal reasons I can respect. Someone made a game that I haven't played with a philosophy similar to hers talked about here: The Philosophy of Bioshock Andrew Ryan Ayn Rand Objectivism The rest I know is pure hearsay. Personality cults?

What I guess I can say about what I think about her is that I like stateless free markets... derp
Thanks for asking. This stuff is my only social interaction. I nuked all my friends and sent my wife and kids to slavery and btw I'm not American
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#24 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
What the fuck...? Where you from buddy?
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#25 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Finland. I bought my nukes and my wife and kids from the Finnish Supreme Warlords so I could commit Recreational Homicide® on the roads I own stocks to for the low price of 20.57878 bitcoins. Hmm, then I nuked and conquered my friends' child asbestos mine fjords for raising the price of cocaine to 10000000000 BTC. Gotem good. How's it going out there in Austria eh? Greetings from the Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Laplandic sweatshop districts.
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#26 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
Enjoying the break from burning summer heat. 4th degree sun burns are taken best in shifts.
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#27 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Aight. You wanna buy some of my Suncream, now with 10% less plutonium, that I arbitrarily bought all the stocks to because price signals don't exist? 9001 BTC rent code: v2nyf985jtdqttheprinceofdarkneourlordsatan2016oidjksahjsgodleftmeunfinishedahlkh gktj4424huloyjulkjf
#18 - postalmate (08/12/2016) [-]
I'll answer this one cause it is rather amusing. The first paragraph not so much because it seems like just a bunch of weird Gobbledygook. Or maybe my filthy slav subhuman brain is not developed enough to understand it.

> Oh, and last thing, you know, since you don't want to talk this over, is that that "panacea" argument cuts both ways. Protection and national defense? GUBMENT!!! vOLUNTARY MONEY EXCHANGE? GUBMENT!!!!!!!

Yeah, that is why a government exists... To why you know? Do these things? We kind of entrusted them with solving it for us? And we should happily replace that said Government the moment we notice that they are there to rake in our shekels instead of using them to help us.

And this is exactly how things work in a country I live in Austria, yes I am an immigrant but not a "peaceful refugee" . While almost all services are privatized I can be sure that a greedy shekel heistlering egoists are not going to fill their pockets at my expense to their hearts content because of a misconceived frilly notion of "muh freedom". How do I know that? Because I elected a guarding with a big fucking baton and a list of state mandated standards to swat the fucker if he turns into a blood sucker or doesn't provide what he promised. Hybrid, like many countries in Europe.

Here is what the EBIL and corrupt GUBMENT did for me so far with my tax money Or invested said money for private company to figure things out .

- The roads are kept in mint condition.
- Public transportation eliminated the need for a car entirely.
- My education was free, and in fact I am paid and encouraged to get one.
- I can trust that I will be financially supported in the time of crisis.
- I can trust that I will be saved during natural disasters.
- I am sure that I will receive immediate medical attention despite of how poor I am.

You see, I hazard a guess this probably due to the fact that we grew up under two different types of Governments. You are a libertarian so it is safe to assume that you are from the United States. While I am a filthy slav Immigrant who spent most of his life in Austria. And this is why our views differ, we were subject to two different forms of government. While I was under the wing of a guardian trying to make sure everything is fine, you were the subject of a more self centered abusing government who had it's own agenda and was more concerned about abusing your Tax money for it's own means. In wich case I think I understand why people would like to get rid of the government, you have grown to see it as a parasite not a protector.

I may be going off on a tangent here but I think we were comparing apples to oranges this whole time instead of going to the root cause.
#20 - kjoni (08/12/2016) [-]
Oh now I remember it, from my middle school history class, when the High Council of Humanity signed the Goverment Treaty with the incorruptible race of war deities.

That logic you just applied to your country can be applied to the entirety of the government. Just because poeple will be thinking of their own self interests without the proxy of the govenrment, doesn't mean that we will descend into slavery and ceaseless feudalist voilence, you statist hater. stater..
Looking at it proportionally, do you think that there will be more warlordism under a decentralized free market of peaceful cooperation, or an omnipotent monopoly with the last say of any entire industry? One has individuals personally incetivized to help each other, and the other sows the seeds for unfettered corruption and propaganda, im lookin at you. Your Apocalyptic Farce arguments are hypotheses. See these for another opinion: Law Without Government Full Mirror But Wouldnt Warlords Take Over by Robert P Murphy

As I've said before, the fact that there is a system that provides some services publicly says next to nothing about their free market alternatives. At best you're being bribed for a ruling class to hold onto their ILLEGITIMATE monopolist positions. Additionally, there is a thing called the tragedy of the commons where private individuals are actually more strongly incentivized to maintain their infrastructure for profit.
>public trasportation
Ubers... expanding on their model..
>free education
Just shoot me in the head right here right now. Free as in mandatory taxation pays for it? Valuing public education? Private schools aren't a thing?
>financial support and natural disasters
insurance and charity?
>medical attention
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ

You want to call of the debate to reduce the matter to IDENTITARIAN POLITICS? Yet you still have your own root cause in your mind... let me guess... capitalism?
#12 - anon (08/12/2016) [-]
What you say is true, but the reason behind those Governments working in the past is imitation and evolution of policy. Most Governments that work only work due to "exceptions". Communism wouldn't work without the existence of Capitalism, and Democracy wouldn't work without the existence of a Republic.

All in all, if you establish an institute that was well thought out it will work; no matter the morals or policy of a community, if it wasn't built do destroy itself.