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#49 - this guy went to killjoke university too! 08/11/2013 on fail -1
#212 - This might be good accompaniment 06/21/2013 on Congratulations America! 0
#21 - This is what I am getting at. You are throwing things out that…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/31/2013 on You serious? 0
User avatar #23 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
It seems that we actually agree about the majority of things. We both agree that religion can be good and bad. We both agree that the extremists are the loudest and because of that control a lot about their religion.

However, we don't agree about two things: first, that religion is only an incentive, not a cause. Second, that religious people are no more selfish than the rest of us; like an atheist who donates to charity or tries to build a well in Africa, they would do the same thing for the same reasons.

I'm really tired of arguing with you. You seem to have such a cynical slant on the religious that no amount of discussion will help. Religious people aren't out to destroy the world; they aren't how they themselves portrayed atheists to be in the 30's. But that seems to already be so ingrained into your thought process that it's just not worth it for me to argue any more (that, plus it's never fun for me to argue).

Feel free to reply to this if you want - you probably will. As far as it's gone, except for calling my argument "moronic" (instead of using a different set of words) you haven't been insulting, so I'll give you that. But, just so you know, when I see that orange notification on the box at the top of the screen, I'm just going to ignore it. It's just not worth it to argue with someone of such cynicism anymore.
User avatar #22 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
You need to take some history lessons if you don't recognize some of the things I've said. Have you even done any research on the preservation of manuscripts during the Dark Ages? That isn't simply throwing something out; I expect you to know abotu these things. I talk about donating money and mission trips. Assuming that they do it to boost their reputation (a baseless accusation in itself) is a huge mistake.

Why would you do charity work? To help other people, of course. Stop being so cynical about it. Just like how the majority of people who are religious use it with good intent, not to manipulate others; their charity work is ultimately to help others, not to look better. This is on a completely individual level.

"You are taking the phrase "nothing" way too literally." As if there's another way to take it. You and the other guy both worded your arguments in a way that made them seem entirely literal.

Concerning your last paragraph: Of course there are sections. But your two examples only show the idiots (note: idiots are the loudest and most visible bunch) that take their religion to the extreme.

Fun fact: in the Qua'ran it says that suicide will make sure you don't get into heaven. Yet people do it. It's clearly peoples' fault at taking the initiative to act on their misguided values (f you can even call them misguided; morality is entirely subjective).

Another example of individuality: My former pastor (I'm now agnostic atheist for reasons of logic rather than abuse) preaches for equality in marriage and religion. He is a Roman Catholic. And I know about a ton of Roman Catholics who do the same exact thing. You surely recognize that a lot of Roman Catholics don't recognize gay marriage, at the same time, right? So yes, it can be split up into smaller subsections of a sect.

#16 - Please. Give one "good" example that religion is use…  [+] (7 new replies) 05/30/2013 on You serious? 0
User avatar #20 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
let me repeat:

religion is indeed infested with idiots and extremists. And more so than the non-religious community.

However, that doesn't mean that everyone is bad. Or that religion itself is.
User avatar #19 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
concerning the grouping: People need to stop thinking of religion as being part of different sects (ex: sunni/shiite; Catholicism/Protestantism/etc).

Religion is actually much more individual based. It's the individual at fault, not the religion.

Again, I don't want to repeat myself. So read the aforementioned comments.
User avatar #18 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
Religion used for good nature: charity, and attempts to help others. Also, monks did help preserve manuscripts during the dark ages. Religion is meant, at a personal level, to bring comfort and connect people in a community.

I never said that these acts of goodwill outweigh the wars caused by extremists (NOTE: EXTREMISTS). But saying that nothing - absolutely nothing - comes out of religion is indeed a fallacy.

Simple fact is, you're treating religion as a black and white thing - it only causes bad, apparently, from your perspective. I'm saying that that isn't true; it is an incentive for both good and evil. And only an incentive - nearly every violent action undertaken by the religious are by the extremists, who are the minority.
#21 - kitkatty (05/31/2013) [-]
This is what I am getting at. You are throwing things out that have no grounding to them. No where in history, no present nor past, has shown Religion to do things for the greater good. You talk about charity and I assume you also mean (mission trips?). They donate to charity petite amounts, while only doing so to boost their own reputation. They don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts, they do it to make themselves look better. You are taking the phrase "nothing" way too literally.

I think religion is a great thing. It allows people to have hope. It allows people to talk and communicate about something. However, imo the world would be a better place without it.

Yes, you are correct that the extremists are the minority. Unfortunately the minorities have all the power in religion (at least the 2 major religions: Christianity/Islam)

Geared towards your #19 comment since I don't want to wait 4 minutes. Religion is individualistic to an extent, but mainly a group thing. The reason that is, is because if you have a holy scripture you tend to believe in the same things. This doesn't vary except between different subsections (Catholicism, Protestant, Presbyterian, Calvinism, etc.). You honestly can't even say it is an individuals fault especially if they are doing something their "god" wants them to do. 1 recent story about parents who were pardoned from prison on "faith healing" because of religion and 1 awhile back that "god" texted a woman to kill a family and she was pardoned. Technically it is the religions' fault.
User avatar #23 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
It seems that we actually agree about the majority of things. We both agree that religion can be good and bad. We both agree that the extremists are the loudest and because of that control a lot about their religion.

However, we don't agree about two things: first, that religion is only an incentive, not a cause. Second, that religious people are no more selfish than the rest of us; like an atheist who donates to charity or tries to build a well in Africa, they would do the same thing for the same reasons.

I'm really tired of arguing with you. You seem to have such a cynical slant on the religious that no amount of discussion will help. Religious people aren't out to destroy the world; they aren't how they themselves portrayed atheists to be in the 30's. But that seems to already be so ingrained into your thought process that it's just not worth it for me to argue any more (that, plus it's never fun for me to argue).

Feel free to reply to this if you want - you probably will. As far as it's gone, except for calling my argument "moronic" (instead of using a different set of words) you haven't been insulting, so I'll give you that. But, just so you know, when I see that orange notification on the box at the top of the screen, I'm just going to ignore it. It's just not worth it to argue with someone of such cynicism anymore.
User avatar #22 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
You need to take some history lessons if you don't recognize some of the things I've said. Have you even done any research on the preservation of manuscripts during the Dark Ages? That isn't simply throwing something out; I expect you to know abotu these things. I talk about donating money and mission trips. Assuming that they do it to boost their reputation (a baseless accusation in itself) is a huge mistake.

Why would you do charity work? To help other people, of course. Stop being so cynical about it. Just like how the majority of people who are religious use it with good intent, not to manipulate others; their charity work is ultimately to help others, not to look better. This is on a completely individual level.

"You are taking the phrase "nothing" way too literally." As if there's another way to take it. You and the other guy both worded your arguments in a way that made them seem entirely literal.

Concerning your last paragraph: Of course there are sections. But your two examples only show the idiots (note: idiots are the loudest and most visible bunch) that take their religion to the extreme.

Fun fact: in the Qua'ran it says that suicide will make sure you don't get into heaven. Yet people do it. It's clearly peoples' fault at taking the initiative to act on their misguided values (f you can even call them misguided; morality is entirely subjective).

Another example of individuality: My former pastor (I'm now agnostic atheist for reasons of logic rather than abuse) preaches for equality in marriage and religion. He is a Roman Catholic. And I know about a ton of Roman Catholics who do the same exact thing. You surely recognize that a lot of Roman Catholics don't recognize gay marriage, at the same time, right? So yes, it can be split up into smaller subsections of a sect.

User avatar #17 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
You clearly haven't read comments #9, 11, and 13. Religion, sure, is an incentive to start wars, etc. but it isn't the cause. People are the cause.

Yes, religion can be, and has, been used for malicious purposes. Never said otherwise. However, it can be used, and is also attempted to be used, in good nature, too. Just because the most notable extremists are bad doesn't mean that most are. That's a moronic conclusion to make.

People are so varied in their sects, and personal interpretations, of religion that saying "religion is bad" is a huge fallacy. That was my argument.
#14 - "Religion was originally intended to explain natural phen…  [+] (9 new replies) 05/30/2013 on You serious? +1
User avatar #15 - HarvietheDinkle (05/30/2013) [-]
Religion's primary purpose isn't to control. It is, for the most part, used in good nature, bud.

Those are only specific examples and only apply to certain people. Not everyone is forced into believing in their tribe(etc)'s religion, so don't group everyone together.

That's actually a great comparison, seeing as you're saying that both are tools used to gain control of others. That's just a moronic statement to make, without any explanation to back it up.

Never said that religion didn't have negative aspects. But by saying "nothing" the person I was arguing against didn't even give the slightest nod to attempts to help others. Reread his argument and you'll see.

No correction needed.

Yes, that's only what history says. But to give a better example, look at comment #13 and see the new comparison I make. Assume he doesn't force people into his religion - think Buddhism, etc. Should they be banned?

Seriously - actually bother to read comments #9, 11, and 13 and you'll see why saying "hurr durr religion is wrong" ignores the fact that religion is so varied you're not only grouping Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc. together; you're grouping every single individual together - an extremely big fallacy.
#16 - kitkatty (05/30/2013) [-]
Please. Give one "good" example that religion is used for good nature. It causes most wars (more than 85%), famine, rape, pedophilia, stoning, slavery, etc (many more, too much to say).

In many regions of the world, people are forced to believe in a religion. The middle east (Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, many more) you better believe in the prophet Mohammad, or guess what...boom goes you and your family. In central and south America (Argentina, Ecuador, Colombia, etc.) If your tribe believes in a certain spirit, you better too. If not, you'll be cut off. That simple. And yes EVERYONE is forced, not a majority, EVERYONE.

I'll say it again, it is a moronic comparison. Both of which are tools, one was made for construction, one was made for control. You are trying to argue that religion is meant for good, but no where in history suggests that. In fact, throughout history it will tell you time after time, religion only causes harm.

Yes religion helps people, but in such a minuscule amount its not even worth being noted. You are talking about donating a few dollars here and there compared to all the lives they ruin. Millions of people die every year because of the effects of religion, whether it be bombings, stonings, sacrifices, suicides, etc.

Your argument for Buddhism, which isn't a religion. They don't worship anything, except themselves. You can't assume he won't because he will. You can't make up a fictitious example because history proves people use religion to their gain. If you wanted to make a fictitious argument, you can make the argument go in your favor.

No one is saying religion is wrong, or at least I am not. I am merely giving you facts, history, and logic to convince you what is wrong with religion.

"you're grouping every single individual together - an extremely big fallacy. "
I don't get this. What am I grouping? When I say everyone? and refer to a specific group of people? like a tribe or the middle east?
User avatar #20 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
let me repeat:

religion is indeed infested with idiots and extremists. And more so than the non-religious community.

However, that doesn't mean that everyone is bad. Or that religion itself is.
User avatar #19 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
concerning the grouping: People need to stop thinking of religion as being part of different sects (ex: sunni/shiite; Catholicism/Protestantism/etc).

Religion is actually much more individual based. It's the individual at fault, not the religion.

Again, I don't want to repeat myself. So read the aforementioned comments.
User avatar #18 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
Religion used for good nature: charity, and attempts to help others. Also, monks did help preserve manuscripts during the dark ages. Religion is meant, at a personal level, to bring comfort and connect people in a community.

I never said that these acts of goodwill outweigh the wars caused by extremists (NOTE: EXTREMISTS). But saying that nothing - absolutely nothing - comes out of religion is indeed a fallacy.

Simple fact is, you're treating religion as a black and white thing - it only causes bad, apparently, from your perspective. I'm saying that that isn't true; it is an incentive for both good and evil. And only an incentive - nearly every violent action undertaken by the religious are by the extremists, who are the minority.
#21 - kitkatty (05/31/2013) [-]
This is what I am getting at. You are throwing things out that have no grounding to them. No where in history, no present nor past, has shown Religion to do things for the greater good. You talk about charity and I assume you also mean (mission trips?). They donate to charity petite amounts, while only doing so to boost their own reputation. They don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts, they do it to make themselves look better. You are taking the phrase "nothing" way too literally.

I think religion is a great thing. It allows people to have hope. It allows people to talk and communicate about something. However, imo the world would be a better place without it.

Yes, you are correct that the extremists are the minority. Unfortunately the minorities have all the power in religion (at least the 2 major religions: Christianity/Islam)

Geared towards your #19 comment since I don't want to wait 4 minutes. Religion is individualistic to an extent, but mainly a group thing. The reason that is, is because if you have a holy scripture you tend to believe in the same things. This doesn't vary except between different subsections (Catholicism, Protestant, Presbyterian, Calvinism, etc.). You honestly can't even say it is an individuals fault especially if they are doing something their "god" wants them to do. 1 recent story about parents who were pardoned from prison on "faith healing" because of religion and 1 awhile back that "god" texted a woman to kill a family and she was pardoned. Technically it is the religions' fault.
User avatar #23 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
It seems that we actually agree about the majority of things. We both agree that religion can be good and bad. We both agree that the extremists are the loudest and because of that control a lot about their religion.

However, we don't agree about two things: first, that religion is only an incentive, not a cause. Second, that religious people are no more selfish than the rest of us; like an atheist who donates to charity or tries to build a well in Africa, they would do the same thing for the same reasons.

I'm really tired of arguing with you. You seem to have such a cynical slant on the religious that no amount of discussion will help. Religious people aren't out to destroy the world; they aren't how they themselves portrayed atheists to be in the 30's. But that seems to already be so ingrained into your thought process that it's just not worth it for me to argue any more (that, plus it's never fun for me to argue).

Feel free to reply to this if you want - you probably will. As far as it's gone, except for calling my argument "moronic" (instead of using a different set of words) you haven't been insulting, so I'll give you that. But, just so you know, when I see that orange notification on the box at the top of the screen, I'm just going to ignore it. It's just not worth it to argue with someone of such cynicism anymore.
User avatar #22 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
You need to take some history lessons if you don't recognize some of the things I've said. Have you even done any research on the preservation of manuscripts during the Dark Ages? That isn't simply throwing something out; I expect you to know abotu these things. I talk about donating money and mission trips. Assuming that they do it to boost their reputation (a baseless accusation in itself) is a huge mistake.

Why would you do charity work? To help other people, of course. Stop being so cynical about it. Just like how the majority of people who are religious use it with good intent, not to manipulate others; their charity work is ultimately to help others, not to look better. This is on a completely individual level.

"You are taking the phrase "nothing" way too literally." As if there's another way to take it. You and the other guy both worded your arguments in a way that made them seem entirely literal.

Concerning your last paragraph: Of course there are sections. But your two examples only show the idiots (note: idiots are the loudest and most visible bunch) that take their religion to the extreme.

Fun fact: in the Qua'ran it says that suicide will make sure you don't get into heaven. Yet people do it. It's clearly peoples' fault at taking the initiative to act on their misguided values (f you can even call them misguided; morality is entirely subjective).

Another example of individuality: My former pastor (I'm now agnostic atheist for reasons of logic rather than abuse) preaches for equality in marriage and religion. He is a Roman Catholic. And I know about a ton of Roman Catholics who do the same exact thing. You surely recognize that a lot of Roman Catholics don't recognize gay marriage, at the same time, right? So yes, it can be split up into smaller subsections of a sect.

User avatar #17 - HarvietheDinkle (05/31/2013) [-]
You clearly haven't read comments #9, 11, and 13. Religion, sure, is an incentive to start wars, etc. but it isn't the cause. People are the cause.

Yes, religion can be, and has, been used for malicious purposes. Never said otherwise. However, it can be used, and is also attempted to be used, in good nature, too. Just because the most notable extremists are bad doesn't mean that most are. That's a moronic conclusion to make.

People are so varied in their sects, and personal interpretations, of religion that saying "religion is bad" is a huge fallacy. That was my argument.
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#86 - strange thing was, it wasn't a hunting trip. They were at a sh…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/04/2013 on Rest In Peace, Read... 0
#93 - anonymous (02/04/2013) [-]
anon from #78 here.

this is just as stupid as to go to a hunting trip.
Never let People with PTSD carry weapons...
Dont get me wrong...but this sniper dude nearly deserves a Darwin Award.
User avatar #126 - badassspaceman (02/04/2013) [-]
He was working with him as part of his organization to help ex-military personnel with PTSD.
#58 - God supercedes the commandments, right? 01/24/2013 on Check +1
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