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#12 - I honestly doubt anything would really change with Hillary as …  [+] (33 replies) 08/28/2016 on This year's election +101
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#180 - assassindash (08/30/2016) [-]
Her goal is to do what Europe did with the Muslims. She succeeds, we're fucked.

People will die, good people. People that you know.

Let's say the worst is true of Trump, it's not, mind you, but let's say it was, and he was Hitler incarnate.

He'd then kill people that on majority most of us wouldn't know, not closely, anyway.

Playing the fear game, Trump is brings me less fear. Playing the rational game, Trump wins that too.

Just my two cents.
#167 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
She did help to cause a slight kerfuffle in the middle east, and she's always talking shit about Russia so I'm not so sure..
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#149 - donatelo (08/29/2016) [-]
That's pretty much the reason why I am voting for her. I don't think she will ever be a good president, but atleast she's moderate enough to be forgotten in 4 years when some real candidates can hopefully come by. In the meantime the Republican Party is going to die within the next ten years because trumps reality tv show tactics work on the average idiot.
#44 - darddec (08/29/2016) [-]
If she grants amnesty to illegal aliens, its gonna be fucking hard to have a conservative comeback. Like, ever.
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#169 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
You still need to be a citizen to vote...
#64 - anon (08/29/2016) [-]
She wants to deport over a million illegal immigrants.
It's just a Trump lite plan.
#86 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
She won't do it because it's free votes for Democrats, her party is giving illegals the right to vote because of this..
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#170 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
Obama is deporting 400k people a year. Illegals, and non-citizens cannot vote, it's not worth getting deported over.
#171 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
What about when they get citizenship?
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#173 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
It's a very difficult process that requires a lot of dedication, so I would say that they would be well educated in how the U.S. government works and, as a result, good voters.

If you are talking about their children born in the U.S., they would simply be a product of American society, so that's up to self-evaluation whether that's a good thing or not.
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#150 - donatelo (08/29/2016) [-]
Wrong. She will do it. Obama promised a lot to illegal immigrants but ended up deporting more than even bush (Highest deportations ever since I think JFK, deported more than even Reagan and bush...go figure).
#162 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
It's tough to tell due to the way they report the data; www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/#comments
Either way it largely depends on who they deport; gang members are less likely to vote than housecleans etc..

She also wants thousands more refugees; in Britain we've taken in way more than the government tells us and I'd bet it'll be the same in the US..
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#165 - donatelo (08/29/2016) [-]
from this source, it seems that the number was changing due to simple terminology. Bush combined statistics from returns and removals, meanwhile Obama had solely removal numbers...combine the two, and Obama easily has a higher deportation rate.

Likewise, do not discount the partnership the united states and mexico have under Obama that INCREASES mexicos deportation rate (in basic terms, they have a deal where mexico essentially acts as a filter for central american immigrants, aka the increasing highest number if illegal immigrants).

Hilalrys refugee talk is meaningless, its one of those small platforms that is used for votes, meanwhile she wont do shit about it.
#166 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
I hope you're right, but with Hillary's thirst for power I'd bet it'll be the same as Europe and you'll be taking in way more than promised. That Saudi money must be for something..
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#168 - donatelo (08/29/2016) [-]
I would say so. Plus i dont think she has much compassion, she will continue to deport immigrants.
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#43 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
It's pretty ironic that if you remove the labels, Trump is far more liberal (insofar that things are going to change in big ways).
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#95 - Ruspanic (08/29/2016) [-]
Wanting to change things doesn't make you a liberal though
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#123 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
Actually that's exactly what it means.... the liberals in communist nations are pro-capitalist small government types. As I said.. remove the labels.
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#145 - Ruspanic (08/29/2016) [-]
That still doesn't mean liberalism is defined by being pro-change.
In most of the world the word "liberal" means someone who is pro-freedom, basically. Pro-democracy, pro-free speech, pro-free market. This is based on the "classical liberalism" of the Enlightenment.

In the US, the word "liberal" has come to mean the same as "progressive", or roughly "social democrat", which is someone with tolerant social views who supports a government that's actively involved in helping the needy, protecting the environment, and other such causes.

Virtually everybody is dissatisfied with some aspect of the status quo and wants change, but that doesn't make them a liberal. If you want radical change to, say, impose a totalitarian theocracy, you're not a liberal by any sense of the word. If you want the government to abolish money and seize the means of production for the common good, you're not a liberal. If you want to make abortion or gay marriage illegal again, you want change but it's not liberal change. Et cetera.
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#153 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Liberal is best defined as vanilla politics.

Free, but not too free. Traditionalist but not too traditionalist. Socialist but not too socialist. Etc.

It's a bit of everything with not too much of one or the other. The true neutral of politics. I think that's a nice way to look at it.
#128 - anon (08/29/2016) [-]
The US has a fucked thing where they call "social liberalism" "liberalism". Liberalism is always liberalism, rooted in the French thing.
#66 - anon (08/29/2016) [-]
If you pick and choose which year for which opinion.

"A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk in to a bar.
The bar tender says "Hey Donald what'll ya have?""
#18 - bobfreakydeakydole (08/29/2016) [-]
Yeah, i feel like hillary has wanted the presidency so long she doesn't really have a reason compelling her anymore. Like, its just become the thing she strives for, she isn't doing to institute any kind of particular policy or ideology
#17 - asshatmcgeealpha (08/29/2016) [-]
Immigrants of the Allahu Akbar kind will happen. That and more taxes on the middle class. Two things that are greatly unwanted.
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#96 - Ruspanic (08/29/2016) [-]
I'm not too worried about the refugee thing because we have stringent screening processes in place that have been working pretty well so far, allowing in mostly children and old people, as well as families. Also our population is big enough that 65,000 refugees won't make a difference to our demographics.
Not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but it won't be anywhere near the catastrophe it is in Germany.

Taxes on the middle class suck but at least her budget math basically adds up. With Trump it's all tax cuts and no spending cuts, so we might have some improvement in incentives but our debt will skyrocket.
#163 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
In the UK we've taken in a hell of lot more than the government has told us, and they have big families and start breeding very young.. They also group together and dominate areas so they have no need to integrate.. They won't be insignificant for long, don't underestimate them..
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#172 - Ruspanic (08/29/2016) [-]
The UK's taken like 6000 refugees since the conflict started in 2011. That's like 0.00009% of the population. How fast can they be breeding that it's become a significant number in just 5 years? Are you sure you aren't conflating them with Muslim immigrants more generally?

The US has a population of 319 million, so 65000 would be like 0.0002% of the population. We already have about 3.3 million Muslims (1% of the population) and there've been no significant cultural changes as a result. As far as demographic change is concerned, Latinos have a much greater impact than Muslims.
#176 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
Both, I'm sure you'll find proof googling it. Immigration stats don't match NI (our social security) numbers.

Search youtube for ''Muslims Luton''..

They're taking over every city and many towns..

#69 - anon (08/29/2016) [-]
Taxes on the middle class?
Kid, go ask mom to put her taxes in the candidate tax plan calculator and watch it be almost exactly the same as 2015.
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#42 - failtolawl (08/29/2016) [-]
Immigrants from allahu akbar didn't happen under obama, they won't happen with clinton.

There is too much pressure from within her party to keep out of the immigration crises.
#53 - advice (08/29/2016) [-]
what? plenty of Allahu Akbar's got over, they're just waiting for the right time (such as once refugees start coming in) to get to work.
First you establish your supply and intel lines, then when your soldiers arrive you start to attack
#73 - anon (08/29/2016) [-]
They were born here, they just get radicalized because we're not doing enough in the war of ideas.
#164 - inept (08/29/2016) [-]
Radicalised by who?...
#10 - Well I mean, isn't it best if the dad changes the diapers with…  [+] (1 reply) 07/11/2016 on baby +15
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#11 - danniegurl (07/11/2016) [-]
This just in, both parents can't always be around.