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#5 - it's always the people who don't understand  [+] (7 new replies) 09/20/2014 on 4chan on school shootings +2
User avatar #6 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
It's really incredible how ignorant they are about the things that they try to make laws about. Incredibly sad as well.
User avatar #7 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
it's painful really, I could spray paint a gun black and duct tape a flashlight to it and it becomes illegal overnight
User avatar #8 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
eh, not necessarily true. If it were a toy then yes. If it were a semi-automatic rifle, then if you added 2 of the 5 characteristics that would make it an 'assault weapon', and where you live has those banned, then yes it would be illegal. But a flashlight is not one of those characteristics.
User avatar #9 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
for me a flashlight and a grip make it an "assault weapon" basically any sort of attachment was counted last I checked
User avatar #10 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
no, it's only certain things. There are only certain features that make it an 'assault weapon'/ the main ones are a bayonet lug, a pistol grip, a muzzle device, a collapsible/folding stock, or grenade launcher/attachment point
User avatar #11 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I remember hearing somewhere that they found a way to get some poor bastard on having a flashlight, or maybe I'm thinking of something else he had
User avatar #12 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
They specifically leave laws ambiguous so they're open to interpretation. He probably lived in a state with an awb and got shafted.
#2 - **** it Putin can have Ukraine, they deserve some… 09/20/2014 on Autocracy v. Empire +7
#31 - why ditch the suppressor?  [+] (2 new replies) 09/20/2014 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #78 - frostdrachen (09/21/2014) [-]
A suppressor requires cold-loaded ammo to be reasonably effective, thus lowering power.
User avatar #80 - kilotech (09/21/2014) [-]
but it's a very small loss of power in exchange for the bonus of not getting swarmed by every zombie in town
#30 - north africa 1940, perfect reason not to use a tank unless you… 09/20/2014 on (untitled) +2
#3 - never forget the sandy hook school nuking 09/20/2014 on (untitled) +10
#9 - that's the reason I put quotes on some is because, unfortunate… 09/20/2014 on vegans +1
#24 - I feel like I should play borderlands now 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
#7 - why shun milk altogether while complaining about conditions of…  [+] (5 new replies) 09/20/2014 on vegans +1
#8 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
It isn't some, it's the majority, and people make their statements different ways. Some vegans also disagree with animal ownership at all.
User avatar #20 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
no animal ownership is highly illogical. cows, chickens, pigs dogs cats cannot survive without humans. these are human made animals and have no concept of true survival. owning animals such as whales and dolphins tigers bears etc should not be allowed without proper homes and since there is no such thing they shouldnt be owned. if we just set all these animals free the balance of nature would be so thrown off it would be chaos. we would be responsible for cleaning up that mess and how would we do it? we would kill them all. we lack the proper animals for crowd control. little amounts of wolves, barely any mountain lions, bears are a joke now and any other cat that is still here is just not enough. we are the primary hunter we need to take the place of the predators we killed. and we do but setting free animals that dont belong will cause more problems for hunters.
#21 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
I agree. I personally only support better conditions within farms, not releasing all animals.
User avatar #22 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
i support better conditions for everything. but unfortunately these things just arnt "money wise" and money is before anything. money is worth more than life.
and hopefully one day that wont be true.
User avatar #9 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
that's the reason I put quotes on some is because, unfortunately it isn't just some
#5 - I live a 10 minute drive from a very nice farm and know people…  [+] (7 new replies) 09/20/2014 on vegans -2
#6 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
Did i say milk should be illegal? You made a comment saying milking was good for cows, implying that the dairy industry is doing them a favor by milking them. I'm glad the farm near you is humane, but most milk produced is created by facilities with extremely inhumane conditions.

Just because I like my pet animal doesn't meant animal abuse should be allowed, to retort in a similar fashion.
User avatar #7 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
why shun milk altogether while complaining about conditions of "some" cows online instead of just trying to fix the problem and checking where milk comes from the farm did meats too and even the food animals were kept in conditions that I could live in
#8 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
It isn't some, it's the majority, and people make their statements different ways. Some vegans also disagree with animal ownership at all.
User avatar #20 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
no animal ownership is highly illogical. cows, chickens, pigs dogs cats cannot survive without humans. these are human made animals and have no concept of true survival. owning animals such as whales and dolphins tigers bears etc should not be allowed without proper homes and since there is no such thing they shouldnt be owned. if we just set all these animals free the balance of nature would be so thrown off it would be chaos. we would be responsible for cleaning up that mess and how would we do it? we would kill them all. we lack the proper animals for crowd control. little amounts of wolves, barely any mountain lions, bears are a joke now and any other cat that is still here is just not enough. we are the primary hunter we need to take the place of the predators we killed. and we do but setting free animals that dont belong will cause more problems for hunters.
#21 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
I agree. I personally only support better conditions within farms, not releasing all animals.
User avatar #22 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
i support better conditions for everything. but unfortunately these things just arnt "money wise" and money is before anything. money is worth more than life.
and hopefully one day that wont be true.
User avatar #9 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
that's the reason I put quotes on some is because, unfortunately it isn't just some
#20 - so a double barrel shotgun with her would kick ass?  [+] (4 new replies) 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
User avatar #22 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Yup.. that's pretty much all my mechro has.
User avatar #31 - anomorphous (09/20/2014) [-]
Put some points into BFFs to get Close Enough. Never need accuracy again.
#56 - aerotheobserver (09/20/2014) [-]
Honestly, Mechromancer is one class that I never max any of the trees. Hop about halfway down each to gain the base procs (anarchy, close enough and elemental boosts), and suddenly you're wrecking face with an electric shotgun/smg/mpistol that hits everything in front of you in a few shots. Aim close to the ground and -bam-, you're just this side of unstoppable.
User avatar #24 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I feel like I should play borderlands now
#3 - I never understood the logic of ban guns after a school shooti…  [+] (12 new replies) 09/20/2014 on 4chan on school shootings +5
User avatar #13 - falbwuh (09/20/2014) [-]
Because it might make guns harder for angsty teens to acquire in the first place.
User avatar #15 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
most guns in shooting are either unregistered or registered to someone else
User avatar #16 - falbwuh (09/20/2014) [-]
You're saying that because people find a way to obtain and abuse X illegally, we might as well just make X legal?
User avatar #4 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
There is no logic. Also it's the people who don't know jack shit about guns that try to ban them.
User avatar #5 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
it's always the people who don't understand
User avatar #6 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
It's really incredible how ignorant they are about the things that they try to make laws about. Incredibly sad as well.
User avatar #7 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
it's painful really, I could spray paint a gun black and duct tape a flashlight to it and it becomes illegal overnight
User avatar #8 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
eh, not necessarily true. If it were a toy then yes. If it were a semi-automatic rifle, then if you added 2 of the 5 characteristics that would make it an 'assault weapon', and where you live has those banned, then yes it would be illegal. But a flashlight is not one of those characteristics.
User avatar #9 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
for me a flashlight and a grip make it an "assault weapon" basically any sort of attachment was counted last I checked
User avatar #10 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
no, it's only certain things. There are only certain features that make it an 'assault weapon'/ the main ones are a bayonet lug, a pistol grip, a muzzle device, a collapsible/folding stock, or grenade launcher/attachment point
User avatar #11 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I remember hearing somewhere that they found a way to get some poor bastard on having a flashlight, or maybe I'm thinking of something else he had
User avatar #12 - keitheespieces (09/20/2014) [-]
They specifically leave laws ambiguous so they're open to interpretation. He probably lived in a state with an awb and got shafted.
#17 - I think I actually have her already because my friend loaned m… 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 +1
#3 - I just imagine next week he shows this to the staff "and … 09/20/2014 on stay classy greenfield high... 0
#15 - what's the general idea behind the class? like how Zero is a n…  [+] (12 new replies) 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
User avatar #18 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Its a power over accuracy type thing. You build up stacks of anarchy which increases your damage output but it also wreaks havoc on your aim. You can aim down sights 2 feet from something and still miss with enough stacks.
User avatar #20 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
so a double barrel shotgun with her would kick ass?
User avatar #22 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Yup.. that's pretty much all my mechro has.
User avatar #31 - anomorphous (09/20/2014) [-]
Put some points into BFFs to get Close Enough. Never need accuracy again.
#56 - aerotheobserver (09/20/2014) [-]
Honestly, Mechromancer is one class that I never max any of the trees. Hop about halfway down each to gain the base procs (anarchy, close enough and elemental boosts), and suddenly you're wrecking face with an electric shotgun/smg/mpistol that hits everything in front of you in a few shots. Aim close to the ground and -bam-, you're just this side of unstoppable.
User avatar #24 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I feel like I should play borderlands now
User avatar #16 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Spawn a robo-companion to kick ass with you (making every encounter 2vX - essentially making single player coop), get stacks of anarchy which boost your dmg and reload speed but decrease your accuracy. They stack by not reloading mid-clip, and running a clip dry. You can heal up with Discord by consuming those stacks.

I'd say she's a lightning bruiser that has great potential when working on its own. Fond of close to close-mid combat, since SMGs and shotguns are more her specialty.

She's definitely worth the money to pick up, she's my favorite class.
User avatar #19 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
The only class where you're probably better off shooting at the ground than at enemies.

198K single-shot damage at level 42... Mmm...
User avatar #21 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
My DPS is shit since I can't loot good weapons, ever. Usually 400 stacks of Anarchy, still so low.
User avatar #23 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
Get a shotgun, Jakobs, with a clip size of 2 and good reload speed, prioritizing multiplier instead of damage. Smaller Lighter Faster, you now have a shotgun with high damage and clip size of 1. Close Enough, you can't miss so long as you aim down-ish; Cooking up Trouble is always active, but you only need 1 rank once you have level 5 Blood-Soaked Shield. Add a deputy badge that increases shotgun damage and reload for your relic.

Once you get to high level, add With Claws and Upshot Robot. Deathtrap now stays as long as you have enemies to massacre, and you both have insane melee damage.

The only problems are that this build relies on there being enemies to kill, and it's really bad against certain bosses - like the mech at the end of the Hammerlock... hunting DLC thing.

Come to think of it, that's basically the same build I used in Mass Effect 2...
User avatar #25 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Ah I really dislike the jakobs weapons.

I'm in UVHM, have both trees max'd out, (not middle). My best weapons are the Baby Maker and Avenger, since they're the only ones within 10 fucking levels of me. I have Bee but it's at L71 and I'm only L69 atm.

(the damn levels just never drop right for me)
#17 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I think I actually have her already because my friend loaned me a Goty disc to install the DLCs
#13 - uhh I only played as Zero and Axton  [+] (14 new replies) 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
User avatar #14 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Mechro is very fun.
User avatar #15 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
what's the general idea behind the class? like how Zero is a ninja sniper and Axton is a soldier
User avatar #18 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Its a power over accuracy type thing. You build up stacks of anarchy which increases your damage output but it also wreaks havoc on your aim. You can aim down sights 2 feet from something and still miss with enough stacks.
User avatar #20 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
so a double barrel shotgun with her would kick ass?
User avatar #22 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Yup.. that's pretty much all my mechro has.
User avatar #31 - anomorphous (09/20/2014) [-]
Put some points into BFFs to get Close Enough. Never need accuracy again.
#56 - aerotheobserver (09/20/2014) [-]
Honestly, Mechromancer is one class that I never max any of the trees. Hop about halfway down each to gain the base procs (anarchy, close enough and elemental boosts), and suddenly you're wrecking face with an electric shotgun/smg/mpistol that hits everything in front of you in a few shots. Aim close to the ground and -bam-, you're just this side of unstoppable.
User avatar #24 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I feel like I should play borderlands now
User avatar #16 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Spawn a robo-companion to kick ass with you (making every encounter 2vX - essentially making single player coop), get stacks of anarchy which boost your dmg and reload speed but decrease your accuracy. They stack by not reloading mid-clip, and running a clip dry. You can heal up with Discord by consuming those stacks.

I'd say she's a lightning bruiser that has great potential when working on its own. Fond of close to close-mid combat, since SMGs and shotguns are more her specialty.

She's definitely worth the money to pick up, she's my favorite class.
User avatar #19 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
The only class where you're probably better off shooting at the ground than at enemies.

198K single-shot damage at level 42... Mmm...
User avatar #21 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
My DPS is shit since I can't loot good weapons, ever. Usually 400 stacks of Anarchy, still so low.
User avatar #23 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
Get a shotgun, Jakobs, with a clip size of 2 and good reload speed, prioritizing multiplier instead of damage. Smaller Lighter Faster, you now have a shotgun with high damage and clip size of 1. Close Enough, you can't miss so long as you aim down-ish; Cooking up Trouble is always active, but you only need 1 rank once you have level 5 Blood-Soaked Shield. Add a deputy badge that increases shotgun damage and reload for your relic.

Once you get to high level, add With Claws and Upshot Robot. Deathtrap now stays as long as you have enemies to massacre, and you both have insane melee damage.

The only problems are that this build relies on there being enemies to kill, and it's really bad against certain bosses - like the mech at the end of the Hammerlock... hunting DLC thing.

Come to think of it, that's basically the same build I used in Mass Effect 2...
User avatar #25 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Ah I really dislike the jakobs weapons.

I'm in UVHM, have both trees max'd out, (not middle). My best weapons are the Baby Maker and Avenger, since they're the only ones within 10 fucking levels of me. I have Bee but it's at L71 and I'm only L69 atm.

(the damn levels just never drop right for me)
#17 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I think I actually have her already because my friend loaned me a Goty disc to install the DLCs
#11 - right but how is missing worse as a mech than as Krieg or Axto…  [+] (16 new replies) 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
User avatar #12 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
...

anarchy stacks

It makes your aim wild.
User avatar #13 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
uhh I only played as Zero and Axton
User avatar #14 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Mechro is very fun.
User avatar #15 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
what's the general idea behind the class? like how Zero is a ninja sniper and Axton is a soldier
User avatar #18 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Its a power over accuracy type thing. You build up stacks of anarchy which increases your damage output but it also wreaks havoc on your aim. You can aim down sights 2 feet from something and still miss with enough stacks.
User avatar #20 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
so a double barrel shotgun with her would kick ass?
User avatar #22 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Yup.. that's pretty much all my mechro has.
User avatar #31 - anomorphous (09/20/2014) [-]
Put some points into BFFs to get Close Enough. Never need accuracy again.
#56 - aerotheobserver (09/20/2014) [-]
Honestly, Mechromancer is one class that I never max any of the trees. Hop about halfway down each to gain the base procs (anarchy, close enough and elemental boosts), and suddenly you're wrecking face with an electric shotgun/smg/mpistol that hits everything in front of you in a few shots. Aim close to the ground and -bam-, you're just this side of unstoppable.
User avatar #24 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I feel like I should play borderlands now
User avatar #16 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Spawn a robo-companion to kick ass with you (making every encounter 2vX - essentially making single player coop), get stacks of anarchy which boost your dmg and reload speed but decrease your accuracy. They stack by not reloading mid-clip, and running a clip dry. You can heal up with Discord by consuming those stacks.

I'd say she's a lightning bruiser that has great potential when working on its own. Fond of close to close-mid combat, since SMGs and shotguns are more her specialty.

She's definitely worth the money to pick up, she's my favorite class.
User avatar #19 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
The only class where you're probably better off shooting at the ground than at enemies.

198K single-shot damage at level 42... Mmm...
User avatar #21 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
My DPS is shit since I can't loot good weapons, ever. Usually 400 stacks of Anarchy, still so low.
User avatar #23 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
Get a shotgun, Jakobs, with a clip size of 2 and good reload speed, prioritizing multiplier instead of damage. Smaller Lighter Faster, you now have a shotgun with high damage and clip size of 1. Close Enough, you can't miss so long as you aim down-ish; Cooking up Trouble is always active, but you only need 1 rank once you have level 5 Blood-Soaked Shield. Add a deputy badge that increases shotgun damage and reload for your relic.

Once you get to high level, add With Claws and Upshot Robot. Deathtrap now stays as long as you have enemies to massacre, and you both have insane melee damage.

The only problems are that this build relies on there being enemies to kill, and it's really bad against certain bosses - like the mech at the end of the Hammerlock... hunting DLC thing.

Come to think of it, that's basically the same build I used in Mass Effect 2...
User avatar #25 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Ah I really dislike the jakobs weapons.

I'm in UVHM, have both trees max'd out, (not middle). My best weapons are the Baby Maker and Avenger, since they're the only ones within 10 fucking levels of me. I have Bee but it's at L71 and I'm only L69 atm.

(the damn levels just never drop right for me)
#17 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I think I actually have her already because my friend loaned me a Goty disc to install the DLCs
#9 - how does a mechromancer make it worse?  [+] (18 new replies) 09/20/2014 on borderlands 2 0
User avatar #10 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
>Aim at face
>Hit canyon

User avatar #11 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
right but how is missing worse as a mech than as Krieg or Axton or anyone else?
User avatar #12 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
...

anarchy stacks

It makes your aim wild.
User avatar #13 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
uhh I only played as Zero and Axton
User avatar #14 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Mechro is very fun.
User avatar #15 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
what's the general idea behind the class? like how Zero is a ninja sniper and Axton is a soldier
User avatar #18 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Its a power over accuracy type thing. You build up stacks of anarchy which increases your damage output but it also wreaks havoc on your aim. You can aim down sights 2 feet from something and still miss with enough stacks.
User avatar #20 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
so a double barrel shotgun with her would kick ass?
User avatar #22 - MrRodriguez (09/20/2014) [-]
Yup.. that's pretty much all my mechro has.
User avatar #31 - anomorphous (09/20/2014) [-]
Put some points into BFFs to get Close Enough. Never need accuracy again.
#56 - aerotheobserver (09/20/2014) [-]
Honestly, Mechromancer is one class that I never max any of the trees. Hop about halfway down each to gain the base procs (anarchy, close enough and elemental boosts), and suddenly you're wrecking face with an electric shotgun/smg/mpistol that hits everything in front of you in a few shots. Aim close to the ground and -bam-, you're just this side of unstoppable.
User avatar #24 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I feel like I should play borderlands now
User avatar #16 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Spawn a robo-companion to kick ass with you (making every encounter 2vX - essentially making single player coop), get stacks of anarchy which boost your dmg and reload speed but decrease your accuracy. They stack by not reloading mid-clip, and running a clip dry. You can heal up with Discord by consuming those stacks.

I'd say she's a lightning bruiser that has great potential when working on its own. Fond of close to close-mid combat, since SMGs and shotguns are more her specialty.

She's definitely worth the money to pick up, she's my favorite class.
User avatar #19 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
The only class where you're probably better off shooting at the ground than at enemies.

198K single-shot damage at level 42... Mmm...
User avatar #21 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
My DPS is shit since I can't loot good weapons, ever. Usually 400 stacks of Anarchy, still so low.
User avatar #23 - cdm (09/20/2014) [-]
Get a shotgun, Jakobs, with a clip size of 2 and good reload speed, prioritizing multiplier instead of damage. Smaller Lighter Faster, you now have a shotgun with high damage and clip size of 1. Close Enough, you can't miss so long as you aim down-ish; Cooking up Trouble is always active, but you only need 1 rank once you have level 5 Blood-Soaked Shield. Add a deputy badge that increases shotgun damage and reload for your relic.

Once you get to high level, add With Claws and Upshot Robot. Deathtrap now stays as long as you have enemies to massacre, and you both have insane melee damage.

The only problems are that this build relies on there being enemies to kill, and it's really bad against certain bosses - like the mech at the end of the Hammerlock... hunting DLC thing.

Come to think of it, that's basically the same build I used in Mass Effect 2...
User avatar #25 - frenzyhero (09/20/2014) [-]
Ah I really dislike the jakobs weapons.

I'm in UVHM, have both trees max'd out, (not middle). My best weapons are the Baby Maker and Avenger, since they're the only ones within 10 fucking levels of me. I have Bee but it's at L71 and I'm only L69 atm.

(the damn levels just never drop right for me)
#17 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I think I actually have her already because my friend loaned me a Goty disc to install the DLCs
#7 - 4 times the power muahahaha *insert queen laughing maniacally* 09/20/2014 on In Recent News +4
#19 - he wasn't even an adult, SHE should be arrested for statutory … 09/20/2014 on Effect of Feminism 152 +4
#3 - do they not realize milking is natural and good for the cows? …  [+] (55 new replies) 09/20/2014 on vegans +63
User avatar #75 - mathmanchris (09/20/2014) [-]
I'm not trying to insult you, but please ask your mother how she'd like it to be pregnant for the next 20 year with minimum time in between. And then tell her that milking her tits is healthy and natural. I'd like to see her reaction to that.
But cows aren't human... Yes, true that. But the same logic applies here and I'm sure all females can agree on that, especially when they had children.
#72 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
Maybe YOU don't
#64 - kingpongthedon (09/20/2014) [-]
Yeah, milking is natural and necessary when a cow is lactating, but the way 24/7/365 lactation is induced is far from natural or good for the cows. It does cause a number of health problems for the cows and there is strong evidence that this artificially induced lactation is causing problems in humans drinking the milk, such as early puberty and female cancers. I'm still gonna drink my weekly gallon but I would definitely like to see some reform in the dairy industry.
#78 - unholyjebus (09/20/2014) [-]
>Be 14 year old boy
>Bullied for not growing pubes yet and still having high pitch voice
>Drink some milk
>Turn into 6 foot 4 hunk of a man overnight
>Next day after gym class in the showers
>They see my 7 inch swinging flaccid man meat
>Theyrenotlaughinganymore.bat
>Destroy their innocence
>Don't get vagina cancer because I'm not a girl

I don't see the down side.
#81 - kingpongthedon (09/20/2014) [-]
Early puberty in girls. Sorry, forgot to specify. It boosts female hormones, which in males is linked to things like depression, mood swings, gynecomastia actual man-boobs, not just fat, see pic , and underdeveloped genitalia.
#83 - unholyjebus (09/20/2014) [-]
"underdeveloped genitalia"

The fact that I like really milk explains alot...
User avatar #41 - cdmin (09/20/2014) [-]
if the cow can live outside and have a good life its good for the animal. but a lot of the milk comes from cows who spend 95% of their life in small cages insde some endless hall, getting milked by a machine. i dont think cows like that.
User avatar #44 - thechosentroll (09/20/2014) [-]
I don't think cows give a fuck. Most people don't realize this, since they've never had to deal with a cow for an extended period of time, but those animas just don't care about anything. You can leave it in a spot completely unrestricted and it'll just lie down and take a nap. They give fewer fucks than a cat.
User avatar #89 - jukuku (09/20/2014) [-]
rBGH: Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone

It's banned in Europe, Canada and some other countries. [1] It causes mastitis in cows (inflammation of the udders) leading to major infections and pain. [3]

"rGBH has been shown to increase IGF-1, which may be cancer causing." [2]

Effects of rGBH on cattle: Increased rate of clinical mastitis and Increased rate of subclinical mastitis, (somatic cell count) Increased body temperature unrelated to illness, (heat stress) Increase in digestive disorders, such as indigestion, bloat and diarrhea, Increase in reduced feed intake, (off-feed) Increased numbers of enlarged hocks and lesionsand increased numbers of foot disorders, Increased number of injection site reactions swelling, Reductions in hemoglobin and hematocrit values [3]

[1] www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone

[2] www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408390701855993#tabModule

[3] www.psr.org/chapters/oregon/assets/pdfs/rbghs-harmful-effects-on.pdf

Analysis of cancer risk and IGF-1: jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/12/911.short


"They cows do not give a fuck."

Your anecdotal point is worthless, rGBH and the other practices in milk production causes cows a lot of distress and pain, there are also health effects in humans caused by that as well.
User avatar #91 - thechosentroll (09/20/2014) [-]
I'm from Urop, which would explain why I didn't even consider this. I can't speak for the whole fucking planet.
User avatar #92 - jukuku (09/20/2014) [-]
Then specify where you're from because agricultural practices in the US vary GREATLY from that in the EU and Canada.
User avatar #53 - plasticcup (09/20/2014) [-]
cows can also die from just laying down too long.
User avatar #66 - thechosentroll (09/20/2014) [-]
Most animals can.
#54 - zerooneone (09/20/2014) [-]
ANY ANIMAL THAT WILL LET ITSELF DIE BY LYING AROUND TOO MUCH DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE.
#46 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
Almost agree.
However, in my experience, cows fuckin hate the sun.
They will lie down 20 hours a day doing nothing, but as soon as they get sunlight on them, they will migrate miles, just for shade.

Lazy bastards.
#4 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
... You do know the conditions dairy cows live in, don't you?
#49 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
Found the vegan.
#98 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
I actually eat meat on a regular basis.
User avatar #13 - mctrainalain (09/20/2014) [-]
Diary cows do not live in bad conditions


Cows for meat are....
User avatar #19 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
thats not true at all. its like sytheris said they are forced to get pregnant. forced as in they take the child away. they wont breed if they have a child. they would fight. take away the child and they will breed. they are fed very unhealthy diets and live in crappy conditions. this isnt uncommon knowledge.
but one thing i have to add is of course the cows have to be milked and thats what kilotechs poing was. if you dont milk a cow she will be in a world of pain.
#27 - zoologyexplain (09/20/2014) [-]
If the cattle were fed unhealthy diets, they would quickly die from milk fever, ketosis, or a number of other diseases. They are fed a very high energy diet with lots of nutrition to make up for what is lost by milk production. Thanks to this, dairy farms can produce over double the amount of milk with half the number of cows than they did in previous years. What's wrong with farms feeding them so well that they can lessen the number of cattle you so believe are mistreated? If they were fed poorly, they would produce less, not more. Stress will also produce less and lower quality milk and so their environment must be adequate or else the farm does not profit.
Cattle go into estrous yearly naturally, the only thing farmers manipulate is implementing precise timing of insemination so that the cows will give birth at roughly the same time every year, which is a benefit to the cattle because good understanding of that cow's gestation period helps them find problems quickly, and prevents death due to dystocia or other issues. 90+% of dairy farms use artificial insemination, and use the sprerm of the highest quality bulls, and diet is adjusted based on stages of gestation or lactation. Cows are milked on a strict schedule, up to 4 times per day, in a process that prevents them from sitting with uncomfortably full udders. Besides, the longer they sit with a full udder, the less they will produce and the less the farm will profit.

Hell, I'd love to be a dairy cow.
User avatar #32 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
i know quite a lot about the milking process. but i have seen the conditions they can be kept in and the food they are sometimes fed. its sad. they are unhealthy but no enough to hurt them severely just enough to increase milk production in an unatural rate. its commonly known that the breeding can be stressful on cows. and cows will endure stress. if not the meat farm cows would die. but because they are stressed the meat tastes different. the milk also tasted different.
but if im not mistaken jersey cows produce milk as long as its being used so milking it will cause it to make more. so these cows are usually treated better.
User avatar #33 - zoologyexplain (09/20/2014) [-]
If it were unnatural, it wouldn't occur. What exactly do you mean by breeding? They do not breed, they are inseminated.
"cows will endure stress. if not the meat farm cows would die"? What are you even talking about? That makes absolutely no sense.
A cow-calf operation is not a "meat farm". They only breed and sell their weaned calves to feedlots or backgrounders. And yes, those cows breed fine yearly even without insemination, and their calves are not taken from them.

Please educate yourself on how farms implement a low stress environment for their animals for the sake of profit and good business.
www.grandin.com/meat/meat.html
User avatar #95 - jukuku (09/20/2014) [-]
rBGH: Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone

It's banned in Europe, Canada and some other countries. [1] It causes mastitis in cows (inflammation of the udders) leading to major infections and pain. [3]

"rGBH has been shown to increase IGF-1, which may be cancer causing." [2]

Effects of rGBH on cattle: Increased rate of clinical mastitis and Increased rate of subclinical mastitis, (somatic cell count) Increased body temperature unrelated to illness, (heat stress) Increase in digestive disorders, such as indigestion, bloat and diarrhea, Increase in reduced feed intake, (off-feed) Increased numbers of enlarged hocks and lesionsand increased numbers of foot disorders, Increased number of injection site reactions swelling, Reductions in hemoglobin and hematocrit values [3]

[1] www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone

[2] www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408390701855993#tabModule

[3] www.psr.org/chapters/oregon/assets/pdfs/rbghs-harmful-effects-on.pdf

Analysis of cancer risk and IGF-1: jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/90/12/911.short


Cattle are most definitely harmed in the US milk industry. The idea that dairy cows are living a perfectly comfortable life just isn't true.
User avatar #106 - zoologyexplain (09/20/2014) [-]
Only around 15-20% of farms implement this hormone. The goal of a dairy farmer is to selectively breed the highest natural producers of milk so that they do not have to rely on hormones. Mastitis is expensive to cure, and reduces profits. There is a statistically significant increase in mastitis with use of this hormone, but that doesn't mean that all cows become afflicted, in fact, only a very small fraction are actually effected.
User avatar #115 - jukuku (09/21/2014) [-]
I am not trying to suggest that it is an industry dominant practice, the goal was to prove that the dairy industry does implement harmful practices and so the objection to animal products is often justified.

I consume dairy, poultry, fish and beef but I also recognize that the animals are not always in the best conditions and that by consuming these products I am contributing to this behavior in some way.
#38 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
I think littleliz is just trolling you. Also, any normal person would be inclined to listen to the guy with Zoo and Explain in his name. You're clearly the animal explain of the explain family, you must be knowledgeable. Also, you have facts and dont speak like a complete moron.
User avatar #30 - zoologyexplain (09/20/2014) [-]
(note: Since this graph in 2003, milk production continues to be on the rise. Holstein cattle on average produce 21,500-24,000lbs of milk per year as of last year.)
User avatar #15 - mctrainalain (09/20/2014) [-]
nice article, thanks for proving my point.
#16 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
What part of forced pregnancy, extremely unhealthy diets, a lack of free mobility, and generally unhealthy conditions at all proves your point?
User avatar #23 - mctrainalain (09/20/2014) [-]
"the majority of organic milk producers do treat their cows well, providing access to pasture and proper feed, avoiding growth hormones, and adhering to ethical standards"

Straight from the article.
#24 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
Any amount of cruelty is inexcusable. The same article cites that 75% lack access to a pasture, and take calves from mothers.
#17 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
"Forced" pregnancy? You do realize they are cows, right? They wont turn to the bull and say 'Oh, no thank you. I don't want to mate right now. This economy, you know?'

The breeding part of a cows life is the LEAST worrisome thing. Even with artificial insemination. A Cow is not human. A Cow does not care if it's pregnant or not. Some places need some serious reform. and some cows are abused. However by saying 'Forced pregnancy' you've immediately lost all form of credibility you had.

Also, FYI, a cows
#18 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
First and foremost, even if one of my points was incorrect/exaggerated/etc, that in no way invalidates any of my other points. To say so is fallacious.

Second, it is forced pregnancy. The cows are impregnated by force. a plastic tube is shoved into their womb and they're pumped full of semen. You may not understand mating, but cows actually do have a choice in whether they mate or not. They don't just sit there and let any passing bull shove it in.

Just because a cow isn't human doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated humanely. We have laws against animal cruelty for this exact reason.
#26 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
For fucks sake, do not apply human emotions to a fucking cow. Animals do not give two shits about breeding. If an animal is in heat, it is going to seek out a mate and have babies. It may refuse a particular male (it shows signs of not producing strong progeny), but it wants to have children. It is the most basic fundamental instinct life has. Survive and reproduce. The cow does not give two metric shits about becoming pregnant.
#97 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
You're completely retarded. Animals do give quite a few shits about breeding. If an animal has a child already, it won't go around looking to get knocked up. That's why they take the calves away from them. Otherwise it resists quite a bit and often ends up hurting itself.

Animals DO feel emotions. Dozens of studies have confirmed this. If they didn't we wouldn't have fucking ethics laws.
User avatar #110 - Icedangel (09/21/2014) [-]
And if you need anymore proof that cows do not give a flying fuck about whether they have a calf on them or not when they breed, look up beef Cow-calf operations. They tend to just stick the cows in with a bull, let them fuck, then sell the babies to a feeder who will grow them to slaughter.

Those cows are constantly pregnant by their 'choice' with a bull. So fuck you. You ignorant fuck. Cows with AI babies will still raise their calves just fine, too. If they were 'against' pregnancy, wouldn't they reject their calves? Go to an ag class and learn how animals even work before you try to preach about how we should manage them.
User avatar #109 - Icedangel (09/21/2014) [-]
Wrong.

First off, most heats occur just after birth. Horses, for instance, go into heat 7 days after birth. They actively mate with stallions. They leave the herd so the offspring bonds to them. Gets their scent. Then, once the baby knows 'this is mommy' she returns it to the herd. Because there is safety in the herd. If a mother has offspring with it, it's next objective is to A) Raise offspring and B) Make more offspring so the number of offspring raised is maximized.

In a natural setting, cows only spend 55 days not pregnant before they go into heat again, sometimes sooner. If a cow were to wait any longer, with it's long gestation period, next years calf would be fucked and doomed to be born too early/late season and will die. Dairy calves are taken away after birth because they can damage the cows udder and permanently reduce her productivity. Not because a cow will refuse to be bred if she has a calf. And furthermore, by your own fucking logic, a cow would devote the full 6 months to suckling and rearing a calf until it was weaned before breeding again. Do they? No. They don't. If that calf dies at 5 months old, they've wasted five months, and the next calf will now be born in the dead of winter and die. They breed soon after conception so that calving coincides with warmer weather and more grass. So the babies have plenty to eat and they have plenty to eat so they can house a pregnancy and feed a calf at the same time.

Animals do feel emotions, but they don't have birth control or any desire for reproductive rights. The fact that you have no idea how cows behaviors work tells me you've probably not spent a lot of time with them. Whereas I was raised with them. You're fine to have your opinons, but don't spread fucking BULLSHIT lies and misinformation.
User avatar #10 - benstillerphaqqot (09/20/2014) [-]
I have no Idea where you live where Dairy cows are in bad condition, I have worked on many farms in my life here in New Zealand, each paddock has to have a certain amount of space per farm, if any farms are in bad conditions the dairy company refuses to pay for the milk.
User avatar #69 - klina (09/20/2014) [-]
It means you live in a 1st world country and/or a good part of a shittier country. The dairy farms that I've seen keep livestock like they are multiple sex offenders.

Don't get me wrong, fuck the cows and their shitty oppression, but I'm just stating facts here.
#59 - geothermal (09/20/2014) [-]
Some places in America have them all in cramped pens, Fair Oaks Dairy in Indiana is like that, they have "Show Cows" for when people tour the place, theyre all out in the green grass and shit, but they have the "functional" cows they use for milk, they are basically on one big conveyor belt and cycle through the building being milked each day. There are also enough cows where they can show a live birth every 2 hours on the hour for tours.

Pic related, the "Cow Carousel", where they are milked. There are 25 of these big milking machines in the place.
#39 - paradajs (09/20/2014) [-]
and also if cow have bad conditions it wont give milk or at least not as much
they are moneymakers so they are threated like with so extreme fucking care that not single nigger back in times would dream about. also they are not cheap to buy

country doesnt matter, cow is a cow, here in a shithole (which i love) called Polland is exactly the same
#36 - billburr (09/20/2014) [-]
Farming is much less regulated in the US, in fact there are several laws in the US against whistle-blowing on unsafe, cruel, or gross practices in agriculture en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag
This means that some farmers take great care of their cows and produce a small amount of milk, while others have a well-oiled machine using udders like an engine uses a piston and reasonable treatment is not a concern. Without regulations, the least-cost, high-volume producers will cut costs however they can. It's just good business
#34 - xxxsonic fanxxx (09/20/2014) [-]
they don't get internet connection and i would not want to live without it so yeah they are being tortured
User avatar #51 - blokrokker (09/20/2014) [-]
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a cow.
#11 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
>New Zealand
>No animal curelty
Why do you think this would be surprising?
We're talking about American milk production primarily. I;d hazard to include most of the western world.
User avatar #5 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
I live a 10 minute drive from a very nice farm and know people who work there, the cows are like pets. just because some cows are in shit conditions doesn't mean milk should be illegal, some pets are beaten but you still love your dog/cat/ferret/snake/black man so why shouldn't you keep him
#6 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
Did i say milk should be illegal? You made a comment saying milking was good for cows, implying that the dairy industry is doing them a favor by milking them. I'm glad the farm near you is humane, but most milk produced is created by facilities with extremely inhumane conditions.

Just because I like my pet animal doesn't meant animal abuse should be allowed, to retort in a similar fashion.
User avatar #7 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
why shun milk altogether while complaining about conditions of "some" cows online instead of just trying to fix the problem and checking where milk comes from the farm did meats too and even the food animals were kept in conditions that I could live in
#8 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
It isn't some, it's the majority, and people make their statements different ways. Some vegans also disagree with animal ownership at all.
User avatar #20 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
no animal ownership is highly illogical. cows, chickens, pigs dogs cats cannot survive without humans. these are human made animals and have no concept of true survival. owning animals such as whales and dolphins tigers bears etc should not be allowed without proper homes and since there is no such thing they shouldnt be owned. if we just set all these animals free the balance of nature would be so thrown off it would be chaos. we would be responsible for cleaning up that mess and how would we do it? we would kill them all. we lack the proper animals for crowd control. little amounts of wolves, barely any mountain lions, bears are a joke now and any other cat that is still here is just not enough. we are the primary hunter we need to take the place of the predators we killed. and we do but setting free animals that dont belong will cause more problems for hunters.
#21 - sytheris (09/20/2014) [-]
I agree. I personally only support better conditions within farms, not releasing all animals.
User avatar #22 - littleliz (09/20/2014) [-]
i support better conditions for everything. but unfortunately these things just arnt "money wise" and money is before anything. money is worth more than life.
and hopefully one day that wont be true.
User avatar #9 - kilotech (09/20/2014) [-]
that's the reason I put quotes on some is because, unfortunately it isn't just some
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