fair enough. im not saying all guns should be banned outright. i just think that there needs to be an overhaul of what is considered acceptable.

ah, well then, for some reason I thought you did. Honestly, we should start fixing the guns issue just by actually enforcing the gun laws that are already in place.

of course there will be an increase in other types of violence. that doesn't give an excuse to keep this particular type. and for the second amendment, do you not trust the american democracy enough to let the system work? it doesn't ensure that you keep democracy as evidenced when George bush beat Al Gore in Florida. and when you look at the oppression in Bahrain and elsewhere in the middle east where guns are almost as readily available as in the US then you can see that it wouldn't help to overthrow the government even if it did become corrupt (and be honest. what do you think are the chances of that happening ever in the US? Not only does the very system of democracy (generally) work to keep that stuff from happening but also organisations such as the UN, NATO and all of America's allies would steer the country away from such a disastrous course if it came to it.

like I said, it was the founding fathers' idea. if the government was bad enough to start a revolt, then I'd say the democracy wouldn't be in place at all, let alone to keep it from happening. clearly, even if there was a revolt, due the the very advanced weaponry the US military uses, it would be over in a few days.and I know revolts usually don't work, especially when its a couple of normal people with ak's against a trained army with heavy weapons such as MG's, mortars, artillery, air support and tanks, to name a few.(pretty sure the few recent civil wars have been going quite well for the rebels, look at the libyan civil war. Even the syrian rebels are doing fairly well right now) personally, I would rather be shot in the face than have my fucking arms hacked off, but hey, that's just me. all of this said, I like guns. I live in a rural area, own quite a bit of different shotguns and rifles, and I like to target shoot as a hobby and have gone to a few state competitions.( irrelevant maybe, but thought you should know why I am in this debate with you.)

fair enough. im not saying all guns should be banned outright. i just think that there needs to be an overhaul of what is considered acceptable.

ah, well then, for some reason I thought you did. Honestly, we should start fixing the guns issue just by actually enforcing the gun laws that are already in place.

i didn't red thumb you (i haven't red thumbed anyone on the gun debate apart from if they're retarded). no banning guns won't keep them out of the people who are really determined to get them. however it does stop the people who snap from going out on a rampage at whim. it needs a bit of premeditation. in addition to that it allows a buffer of time for the authorities to stop the individual. im not saying that they always would but it makes it easier for them and prevents random killings where the would be shooter can't simply open his front door and gun down the neighbourhood children.

while I respect your opinion, I still disagree. if someone wants to go on a rampage they're gonna do it with whatever weapons they can find. in china (or was it japan? anyways) there are mass killings but instead of guns a guy stabbed and cut up a shitload of school children. I have a friend who lives in sydney, where guns are really hard to obtain, and there are gangs of people at night who murder people by hacking them up with machetes. while guns being legal here in the US definitely has bad side effects, I do believe it is better in the long run for the people. the founding fathers want the citizens to have firearms not only for the defense of the country with militia but also if they didn't like the government. the idea was that if the people believed the government was corrupt, the 2nd amendment gives them the ability to attempt to overthrow said government. the 2nd amendment is kind of like insurance for all the other amendments. (or at least, that was the founding fathers' reason for it).

of course there will be an increase in other types of violence. that doesn't give an excuse to keep this particular type. and for the second amendment, do you not trust the american democracy enough to let the system work? it doesn't ensure that you keep democracy as evidenced when George bush beat Al Gore in Florida. and when you look at the oppression in Bahrain and elsewhere in the middle east where guns are almost as readily available as in the US then you can see that it wouldn't help to overthrow the government even if it did become corrupt (and be honest. what do you think are the chances of that happening ever in the US? Not only does the very system of democracy (generally) work to keep that stuff from happening but also organisations such as the UN, NATO and all of America's allies would steer the country away from such a disastrous course if it came to it.

like I said, it was the founding fathers' idea. if the government was bad enough to start a revolt, then I'd say the democracy wouldn't be in place at all, let alone to keep it from happening. clearly, even if there was a revolt, due the the very advanced weaponry the US military uses, it would be over in a few days.and I know revolts usually don't work, especially when its a couple of normal people with ak's against a trained army with heavy weapons such as MG's, mortars, artillery, air support and tanks, to name a few.(pretty sure the few recent civil wars have been going quite well for the rebels, look at the libyan civil war. Even the syrian rebels are doing fairly well right now) personally, I would rather be shot in the face than have my fucking arms hacked off, but hey, that's just me. all of this said, I like guns. I live in a rural area, own quite a bit of different shotguns and rifles, and I like to target shoot as a hobby and have gone to a few state competitions.( irrelevant maybe, but thought you should know why I am in this debate with you.)

fair enough. im not saying all guns should be banned outright. i just think that there needs to be an overhaul of what is considered acceptable.

ah, well then, for some reason I thought you did. Honestly, we should start fixing the guns issue just by actually enforcing the gun laws that are already in place.

no but the people who commit the sort of atrocities such as the recent shooting aren't generally criminals.

I figured you'd say that. (thanks for the red thumb, also) anyways, the point is, making guns illegal isn't going to keep them out of the hands of criminals. someone who plans on killing a shitload of people obviously doesn't give a fuck about how he gets the guns to do it. basically, if a psycho wants a gun bad enough, he can get it. case in point: friend of mines school had a kid who got arrested the day before his planned shooting because one the of guys who he asked to help him reported him. when they searched his house, they found several fully automatic weapons and about 10 bombs. Obviously he didn't buy those legally. it was in a ghetto area and he admitted to buying the guns off of a couple of gang-bangers. like I said, its not like someone who wants to kill a bunch of people gives a single fuck about whether or not he obtained the weapons legally or not. truly, all banning guns would do is keep them out of the hands of normal people.

i didn't red thumb you (i haven't red thumbed anyone on the gun debate apart from if they're retarded). no banning guns won't keep them out of the people who are really determined to get them. however it does stop the people who snap from going out on a rampage at whim. it needs a bit of premeditation. in addition to that it allows a buffer of time for the authorities to stop the individual. im not saying that they always would but it makes it easier for them and prevents random killings where the would be shooter can't simply open his front door and gun down the neighbourhood children.

while I respect your opinion, I still disagree. if someone wants to go on a rampage they're gonna do it with whatever weapons they can find. in china (or was it japan? anyways) there are mass killings but instead of guns a guy stabbed and cut up a shitload of school children. I have a friend who lives in sydney, where guns are really hard to obtain, and there are gangs of people at night who murder people by hacking them up with machetes. while guns being legal here in the US definitely has bad side effects, I do believe it is better in the long run for the people. the founding fathers want the citizens to have firearms not only for the defense of the country with militia but also if they didn't like the government. the idea was that if the people believed the government was corrupt, the 2nd amendment gives them the ability to attempt to overthrow said government. the 2nd amendment is kind of like insurance for all the other amendments. (or at least, that was the founding fathers' reason for it).

of course there will be an increase in other types of violence. that doesn't give an excuse to keep this particular type. and for the second amendment, do you not trust the american democracy enough to let the system work? it doesn't ensure that you keep democracy as evidenced when George bush beat Al Gore in Florida. and when you look at the oppression in Bahrain and elsewhere in the middle east where guns are almost as readily available as in the US then you can see that it wouldn't help to overthrow the government even if it did become corrupt (and be honest. what do you think are the chances of that happening ever in the US? Not only does the very system of democracy (generally) work to keep that stuff from happening but also organisations such as the UN, NATO and all of America's allies would steer the country away from such a disastrous course if it came to it.

like I said, it was the founding fathers' idea. if the government was bad enough to start a revolt, then I'd say the democracy wouldn't be in place at all, let alone to keep it from happening. clearly, even if there was a revolt, due the the very advanced weaponry the US military uses, it would be over in a few days.and I know revolts usually don't work, especially when its a couple of normal people with ak's against a trained army with heavy weapons such as MG's, mortars, artillery, air support and tanks, to name a few.(pretty sure the few recent civil wars have been going quite well for the rebels, look at the libyan civil war. Even the syrian rebels are doing fairly well right now) personally, I would rather be shot in the face than have my fucking arms hacked off, but hey, that's just me. all of this said, I like guns. I live in a rural area, own quite a bit of different shotguns and rifles, and I like to target shoot as a hobby and have gone to a few state competitions.( irrelevant maybe, but thought you should know why I am in this debate with you.)

fair enough. im not saying all guns should be banned outright. i just think that there needs to be an overhaul of what is considered acceptable.

ah, well then, for some reason I thought you did. Honestly, we should start fixing the guns issue just by actually enforcing the gun laws that are already in place.

Right? Who sees a Taurus as fast? Even the SHO's are sublime in appearance. Torquesteer is my only concern lol

i've heard the evo isn't very spacious either

Good shit!
I'm hoping to soon do a full flexpipe-back system on my Taurus just for shits and giggles. It will sound like this minus the supercharger. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUYs2cKcX0
Unless of course I go insane and get a supercharger too lol. I just want me DD to be louder is all

supercharge it bro, that would be the ultimate sleeper if you don't put blowers on it, haha.

Right? Who sees a Taurus as fast? Even the SHO's are sublime in appearance. Torquesteer is my only concern lol

The WRX STI is one of the few cars i want but below is my current car :D Also have a 3000GT

I have to admit, I don't care much for mitsubishi. I've driven a few different eclipses and a 3000gt, and they're just too cramped for me. I'm only 6 foot 1 but even with the seat all the way back I still hit my knees on the bottom of the dash when driving. would like to drive an evo and compare it to a STI, though.

i've heard the evo isn't very spacious either

Lucky fucker, i've only seen one 3000GT where i live , unmolested and well taken care of, they wanted 7500 for it too bad i didn't have the money
also dat audi

My parents just sold mine after I left for college... I was devastated

burn their house down, now. it is your duty.

Shit, that is a nice car

i envy you

you lucky faggot

Luck had nothing to do with it, except maybe finding it in an old barn in eastern NC. paid for a rusty shell with some chip foose rims I bought and a 351 for about 7500 dollars. its taken 2 years to build, and its not completely finished. it will be done in about 2 weeks though. the one in the pic is not my particular car, mine is the same stripes and everything, just candy-apple red.

but my dream car (that I'm getting in a few months, mind you) is a 2006 Subaru Impreza WRX STI

the mach 1 is a classic, and is pretty quick,but the scooby is just so damn crazy fast, I love it!

The WRX STI is one of the few cars i want but below is my current car :D Also have a 3000GT

I have to admit, I don't care much for mitsubishi. I've driven a few different eclipses and a 3000gt, and they're just too cramped for me. I'm only 6 foot 1 but even with the seat all the way back I still hit my knees on the bottom of the dash when driving. would like to drive an evo and compare it to a STI, though.

i've heard the evo isn't very spacious either

Lucky fucker, i've only seen one 3000GT where i live , unmolested and well taken care of, they wanted 7500 for it too bad i didn't have the money
also dat audi

My parents just sold mine after I left for college... I was devastated

burn their house down, now. it is your duty.

Hahah I've probably got your username memorized by now. How's your ride coming along?
I learned that my grandmother (Keeping the car at her house because garage)does not like it when I "accidentally" burn some BF-Goodrich in to the driveway, lol

will be done in about 2 weeks man, I'm hyped. I'm getting the STI in January too if all goes according to plan, haha.

Good shit!
I'm hoping to soon do a full flexpipe-back system on my Taurus just for shits and giggles. It will sound like this minus the supercharger. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUYs2cKcX0
Unless of course I go insane and get a supercharger too lol. I just want me DD to be louder is all

supercharge it bro, that would be the ultimate sleeper if you don't put blowers on it, haha.

Right? Who sees a Taurus as fast? Even the SHO's are sublime in appearance. Torquesteer is my only concern lol

And that was nowhere near full power, mind you, that was just horsing around

Christina Hendricks from Mad Men

yeah, I knew I'd seen her on tv somewhere just couldn't remember where. and I don't really watch mad men, just seen some commercials.

google.com/images

I got it.

Red man in hat with gun.

well that was easy haha

google.com/images

Damn it... I'll look around through the power of Google.