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#108 - well yeah... thats true. and thats how a civilisation goes dow… 04/16/2015 on 420 Ablaze 0
#106 - why should the majority learn all the different slangs from al…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/16/2015 on 420 Ablaze 0
User avatar #107 - narutohaukea (04/16/2015) [-]
because in america the "majority" is close to no longer being the majority and the "minority" continue to leave their country and come to this one in troves... pretty soon the "majority" will become the minority and be surrounded by people who dislike them for the way they had been treated in the passed by the humble "majority"
#108 - kanedam (04/16/2015) [-]
well yeah... thats true. and thats how a civilisation goes down.

i'm looking forward to see all the trouble the usa will go through once the white man gets demonized and the cultural heritage gets slaughtered because "the white was so evil"
#154 - you are a good man. thanks! now... why cant more … 04/15/2015 on More great... -1
#149 - there is quite a difference between getting stuff on your skin… 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
#147 - now thats what i like to hear... thats some serious talking. n…  [+] (3 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
User avatar #152 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
The only thing I could find on what you are talking about was that the cases of polio in germany jumped from 2275 to ~10000 in 1952 (When the vaccine was first created, not publicly used yet). In 1953 the cases dropped down to around 5000.

www.post-polio.org/ir-ger.html

If you really want to go to the source and actually look through relevant studies yourself the following website is where I get most of my sources that I use in med-school:

www.nih.gov/

They have a giant database over all medical research, so its a good site to educate yourself on the newest and latest in medicine and health.
#218 - kanedam (04/25/2015) [-]
researched a bit about that topic now.

there seem to be quite a lot of thoughts about the pro/contra vaccine that dont have anything to do with that autism argument. thanks for the source to research it better!
#154 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
you are a good man.
thanks!

now... why cant more people communicate on such a level? just read through the responses i got... not a single one was a serious proper argumentation. you got my hopes up again. thanks for that.
#143 - read #123 or research the topic... there are quite some argumk…  [+] (2 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... -2
User avatar #146 - neokun (04/15/2015) [-]
"also its not researched what kind of different reaction the body has to the direct injection of the bacteria/virus because usually most infections would have to bypass one of the earlier 'immune-gates' such as the skin, mucosae and so on. "

A vaccine is administered via an injection, that is the direct piercing of your skin. Wouldn't that therefore mean the infection is bypassing the skin?
#149 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
there is quite a difference between getting stuff on your skin and having the bacteria get through your skin, cellwalls, tissues and then into your bloodstream and injecting them directly into your vein/artery.

just like some poisons/medications being smeared on the skin have no effect while being injected they are dangerous. (of course some poisons/medications are strong enough to work through the skin too)
#137 - ah sorry, it seems i was misunderstood. as someone wh…  [+] (6 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
User avatar #142 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Don't worry about it.

Im a first year medical student and this topic comes up... alot... We get to talk to GPs, hospital workers, nurses etc. The arguments the medical community uses for vaccines is the same as the anti-vaxxers and that argument is basically "Vaccines are so much better than the alternative", not that it doesn't come with risks and complications, but 1/1000 having problems from a vaccine is still preferable to 10/1000 dying from a preventable disease. I pulled the numbers pulled out of my ass but you get the point. Apart from that its more about research to prove this or that isnt caused by vaccines.

You do know the term herd immunity i presume.
User avatar #148 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Same as the vaxxers, not anti-vaccers
#147 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
now thats what i like to hear... thats some serious talking. no bullshiting or spouting.
you sir earned my respect.

and yeah, of course i know the term. its also one of the arguments for vaccination of course.
i just rmember the case in germany. there were 11.400cases of polio before coutry-wide vaccination was law, after the law came into action 150.000 cases happened.

i would love to have more of the statistics of how many children with vaccines got diseases or negative sideffects and how many kids without the vaccination got serious issues. those are things i think are important too... but tis damn hard to find such informations.
User avatar #152 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
The only thing I could find on what you are talking about was that the cases of polio in germany jumped from 2275 to ~10000 in 1952 (When the vaccine was first created, not publicly used yet). In 1953 the cases dropped down to around 5000.

www.post-polio.org/ir-ger.html

If you really want to go to the source and actually look through relevant studies yourself the following website is where I get most of my sources that I use in med-school:

www.nih.gov/

They have a giant database over all medical research, so its a good site to educate yourself on the newest and latest in medicine and health.
#218 - kanedam (04/25/2015) [-]
researched a bit about that topic now.

there seem to be quite a lot of thoughts about the pro/contra vaccine that dont have anything to do with that autism argument. thanks for the source to research it better!
#154 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
you are a good man.
thanks!

now... why cant more people communicate on such a level? just read through the responses i got... not a single one was a serious proper argumentation. you got my hopes up again. thanks for that.
#132 - look at my comment #123 the only thing used as anti-vax is…  [+] (8 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
User avatar #133 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Yeah, but I replied to the comment that you don't know what facts and arguments both sides present (Vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers, not inside the medical community). The links I provided do that, although to get a better overview you should look for more than just those 4 links.
#137 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
ah sorry, it seems i was misunderstood.

as someone who tries to inform himself about that topic (and where else should one do it than in the medical field?) i think BOTH sides (you call them "vaxxers/anti-vaxxers") dont hold up to the standards of a serious discussion.
its an important topic and i think it should be spoken of properly, with the pros and cons getting stated. almost no anti-vaxxer knows anything about vaccinations and spouts that autism bullshit (at least it seems to me on the internet like that) and all the pro-vaccination people just state "its scientific consens thats its great and healthy!" while that isnt 100% true either.

thank you for the effort! i know the arguments of both sides stated like that, i just was annoyed at it again and wanted to point it out. i have that small hope that at least one or two people will be motivated to research that topic seriously when i point out how wrong the arguments of both sides are... but i'm used to getting showered in red thumbs for it or comments like "you are wrongs, we are right. its that easy!" while i havent stated if i'm pro or anti in any of my comments so far...
User avatar #142 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Don't worry about it.

Im a first year medical student and this topic comes up... alot... We get to talk to GPs, hospital workers, nurses etc. The arguments the medical community uses for vaccines is the same as the anti-vaxxers and that argument is basically "Vaccines are so much better than the alternative", not that it doesn't come with risks and complications, but 1/1000 having problems from a vaccine is still preferable to 10/1000 dying from a preventable disease. I pulled the numbers pulled out of my ass but you get the point. Apart from that its more about research to prove this or that isnt caused by vaccines.

You do know the term herd immunity i presume.
User avatar #148 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Same as the vaxxers, not anti-vaccers
#147 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
now thats what i like to hear... thats some serious talking. no bullshiting or spouting.
you sir earned my respect.

and yeah, of course i know the term. its also one of the arguments for vaccination of course.
i just rmember the case in germany. there were 11.400cases of polio before coutry-wide vaccination was law, after the law came into action 150.000 cases happened.

i would love to have more of the statistics of how many children with vaccines got diseases or negative sideffects and how many kids without the vaccination got serious issues. those are things i think are important too... but tis damn hard to find such informations.
User avatar #152 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
The only thing I could find on what you are talking about was that the cases of polio in germany jumped from 2275 to ~10000 in 1952 (When the vaccine was first created, not publicly used yet). In 1953 the cases dropped down to around 5000.

www.post-polio.org/ir-ger.html

If you really want to go to the source and actually look through relevant studies yourself the following website is where I get most of my sources that I use in med-school:

www.nih.gov/

They have a giant database over all medical research, so its a good site to educate yourself on the newest and latest in medicine and health.
#218 - kanedam (04/25/2015) [-]
researched a bit about that topic now.

there seem to be quite a lot of thoughts about the pro/contra vaccine that dont have anything to do with that autism argument. thanks for the source to research it better!
#154 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
you are a good man.
thanks!

now... why cant more people communicate on such a level? just read through the responses i got... not a single one was a serious proper argumentation. you got my hopes up again. thanks for that.
#125 - how can you state i'm wrong when i didnt even give my opinion?…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
#207 - lionti (04/15/2015) [-]
Because your opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant. Your "evidence" as to the down side of vaccination is ill informed at best! Anyone who says vaccinations cause more harm than good is delusional and simply wrong. There is a mountain of evidence from all sorts of medical practitioners that show that not getting vaccinated increases risk of infection and disease incredibly. How many people do you see dying from small pox? The number is extremely low these days because people are fucking smart enough to get vaccinated, we know from looking back in the past that dying from small pox was shit, so humans put their thinking caps on and said "you know whats shit?, dying from small pox, lets do something about that." That's why we all vaccinate because dying is shit.
#29 - damn... sorry 04/15/2015 on soul selling 0
#123 - there are a few voices in the medical field that research the …  [+] (6 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... 0
User avatar #203 - fargfive (04/15/2015) [-]
Show some sources (that actually know what they're talking about) for any of this and you'll be well on your way towards an actual debate.

This is what I was getting at when I said anecdotes.
Healthy skepticism is not the same thing as saying there's an argument against something when there really isn't.
User avatar #196 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/15/2015) [-]
>hints
>suggest
>question

Yeah, great counterarguments against a tried and true method of preventing deadly diseases.
#197 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
he is only really saying that there may also be downsides

he is not against vaccinations, he just wants to understand any side effects

that is a very healthy attitude if you ask me
#189 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
You have to be willing to engage in a serious debate if the lack thereof annoys you, otherwise you're just crying for doing something that you could be doing. I want to see where experts in the field of researching and creating medicine have anti-vax views. Doctors are not experts in this area so their opinion is moot, or at least only as good as mine, which is to say not expert. Thus far, I haven't seen that and any discussion on the pros and cons easily favors the vaccine. As for the flu, yeah they can't prevent all of them, but they can vaccinate folks for the most recent, most common strain. You can't vaccinate against cancer, anyone who has told you this is not credible.

But the reason that nobody listens to the anti-vaxxers isn't because all they do is cry autism (which many of them do), but because they are arguing against a scientific consensus and the only time that has ever succeeded has been upon the discovery of some new science. Peoples' opinions will always make good news--because ratings thrive in controversy--but they will never trump science.
#199 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
About that cancer vaccination stuff.. it seems you can.

From www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-cancer-treated/immunotherapy-and-vaccines/what-are-cancer-vaccines .

"A cancer treatment vaccine takes advantage of the immune system’s response to antigens. Often, cancer cells have specific molecules on their surface that are not present on healthy cells. When injected into a person, these specific molecules act as antigens, which stimulate the immune system to recognize and destroy cancer cells that have these molecules on their surface."
#200 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
Well how about that. I knew vaccines are only uses to teach immune systems, I didn't think the immune system could do anything to stop cancer. Thanks for the info.
#28 - Not going to sell anything. My point was that its annoying tha…  [+] (11 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... -8
User avatar #131 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Two objective sources on vaccines and the antivaxxer thing:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/how-vaccines-work.aspx

www.babycenter.com/0_vaccines-and-autism-separating-fact-from-fiction_1470554.bc

Here is one side for vaccinations, notice the use of scientific evidence, research and medical knowledge:
www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

This side is against, notice the anecdotal evidence
www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/vaccines-cause-autism.html

If you don't know both sides' arguments by now and don't know the facts and knowledge being used then you really need to read up.
#132 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
look at my comment #123
the only thing used as anti-vax is that autism bullshit while there are enough scientific works about it.
User avatar #133 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Yeah, but I replied to the comment that you don't know what facts and arguments both sides present (Vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers, not inside the medical community). The links I provided do that, although to get a better overview you should look for more than just those 4 links.
#137 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
ah sorry, it seems i was misunderstood.

as someone who tries to inform himself about that topic (and where else should one do it than in the medical field?) i think BOTH sides (you call them "vaxxers/anti-vaxxers") dont hold up to the standards of a serious discussion.
its an important topic and i think it should be spoken of properly, with the pros and cons getting stated. almost no anti-vaxxer knows anything about vaccinations and spouts that autism bullshit (at least it seems to me on the internet like that) and all the pro-vaccination people just state "its scientific consens thats its great and healthy!" while that isnt 100% true either.

thank you for the effort! i know the arguments of both sides stated like that, i just was annoyed at it again and wanted to point it out. i have that small hope that at least one or two people will be motivated to research that topic seriously when i point out how wrong the arguments of both sides are... but i'm used to getting showered in red thumbs for it or comments like "you are wrongs, we are right. its that easy!" while i havent stated if i'm pro or anti in any of my comments so far...
User avatar #142 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Don't worry about it.

Im a first year medical student and this topic comes up... alot... We get to talk to GPs, hospital workers, nurses etc. The arguments the medical community uses for vaccines is the same as the anti-vaxxers and that argument is basically "Vaccines are so much better than the alternative", not that it doesn't come with risks and complications, but 1/1000 having problems from a vaccine is still preferable to 10/1000 dying from a preventable disease. I pulled the numbers pulled out of my ass but you get the point. Apart from that its more about research to prove this or that isnt caused by vaccines.

You do know the term herd immunity i presume.
User avatar #148 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Same as the vaxxers, not anti-vaccers
#147 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
now thats what i like to hear... thats some serious talking. no bullshiting or spouting.
you sir earned my respect.

and yeah, of course i know the term. its also one of the arguments for vaccination of course.
i just rmember the case in germany. there were 11.400cases of polio before coutry-wide vaccination was law, after the law came into action 150.000 cases happened.

i would love to have more of the statistics of how many children with vaccines got diseases or negative sideffects and how many kids without the vaccination got serious issues. those are things i think are important too... but tis damn hard to find such informations.
User avatar #152 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
The only thing I could find on what you are talking about was that the cases of polio in germany jumped from 2275 to ~10000 in 1952 (When the vaccine was first created, not publicly used yet). In 1953 the cases dropped down to around 5000.

www.post-polio.org/ir-ger.html

If you really want to go to the source and actually look through relevant studies yourself the following website is where I get most of my sources that I use in med-school:

www.nih.gov/

They have a giant database over all medical research, so its a good site to educate yourself on the newest and latest in medicine and health.
#218 - kanedam (04/25/2015) [-]
researched a bit about that topic now.

there seem to be quite a lot of thoughts about the pro/contra vaccine that dont have anything to do with that autism argument. thanks for the source to research it better!
#154 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
you are a good man.
thanks!

now... why cant more people communicate on such a level? just read through the responses i got... not a single one was a serious proper argumentation. you got my hopes up again. thanks for that.
#35 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
If you're interested, google it. The science is overwhelmingly pro-vaccine. Info is abundant.
#25 - that statement alone shows that you havent researched the topi…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/15/2015 on More great... -14
#36 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
Actually his statement is accurate. There is a clear scientific consensus.
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#24 - 2nd, 11th and 12th arent drawn bad. 04/15/2015 on Bad art/cringe comp +1
#22 - yeah people give a **** ... but not about a serious …  [+] (13 new replies) 04/15/2015 on More great... -12
User avatar #140 - neokun (04/15/2015) [-]
Not a single pro for anti vaccines just saying.
#143 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
read #123 or research the topic... there are quite some argumkents against vaccines.
User avatar #146 - neokun (04/15/2015) [-]
"also its not researched what kind of different reaction the body has to the direct injection of the bacteria/virus because usually most infections would have to bypass one of the earlier 'immune-gates' such as the skin, mucosae and so on. "

A vaccine is administered via an injection, that is the direct piercing of your skin. Wouldn't that therefore mean the infection is bypassing the skin?
#149 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
there is quite a difference between getting stuff on your skin and having the bacteria get through your skin, cellwalls, tissues and then into your bloodstream and injecting them directly into your vein/artery.

just like some poisons/medications being smeared on the skin have no effect while being injected they are dangerous. (of course some poisons/medications are strong enough to work through the skin too)
User avatar #34 - lyiat (04/15/2015) [-]
... No, no there really isn't. There isn't a serious debate because one side of it, the anti-vaxx side, is about as correct as flat-eathers. There is utterly nothing to suggest that vaccinations are even an iota as dangerous as what they prevent.
#123 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
there are a few voices in the medical field that research the negative effects of vaccinations.
i'm not talking about that autism bullshit.

but there are some hints that suggest that vaccinations instead of getting the child-diseases can alter a bit of the way the immune-system works maybe causing a higher risk of cancer in old age and thinks like asthma or allergies or leading to other immune-system-deficites.
the research isnt very far because there is only little money for that kind of research but i know from some doctors i personally know that it has been hinted a few times.
also its not researched what kind of different reaction the body has to the direct injection of the bacteria/virus because usually most infections would have to bypass one of the earlier 'immune-gates' such as the skin, mucosae and so on.
there is also the question of how long exactly the vaccination works (for example measles).
and when you add in the historical data it gives a bit of another view. like for example
When the USA made pox vaccination standard in the philippines there was an epidemy with over 160.000 diseased, over 70.000 died.
An australian researcher declared that the swallow-vaccination leads to higher risk of leukamia for children.
There are other research groups that think the risk of getting multiple sklerose is higher for people with tuberculosis vaccination.

and all of that doesnt even have to do with the absurdity of vaccinations against cancer or the flu. as the flu is a highly mutating disease a vaccination seldom usefull for more than a few kinds while there are each year thousands of mutations which dont get covered by the vaccination.

i have to go out to work soon so if you want sources i can search for them tonight... but thats what i mean with there is still a debate going on. and those are things that almost never get stated when this topic comes. its always only the "autism" bullshit.

now thats for the contra side (eventhough there is still much more). on the other side are many arguments for vaccinations. but since they are so obvious and well known i wont waste time and space posting them here. i'm just saying that so that i dont seem like a vaccination-enemy, i'm open to all kinds of arguments. i just prefer to hear both sides properly before making a decision...

drewjitsu fargfive dawsyy dropkicksxxx - and just to make it clear: that i state i'm annoyed by the way this discussion is led doesnt really oblige me to start a discussion. its the same with the religion stuff, just that i'm annoyed when people claim false things in it and that i say that i'm annoyed doesnt mean i HAVE to start a serious debate. i can just post my opinion that its annoying and thats it. still i wanted to show you guys what i meant...
User avatar #203 - fargfive (04/15/2015) [-]
Show some sources (that actually know what they're talking about) for any of this and you'll be well on your way towards an actual debate.

This is what I was getting at when I said anecdotes.
Healthy skepticism is not the same thing as saying there's an argument against something when there really isn't.
User avatar #196 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/15/2015) [-]
>hints
>suggest
>question

Yeah, great counterarguments against a tried and true method of preventing deadly diseases.
#197 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
he is only really saying that there may also be downsides

he is not against vaccinations, he just wants to understand any side effects

that is a very healthy attitude if you ask me
#189 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
You have to be willing to engage in a serious debate if the lack thereof annoys you, otherwise you're just crying for doing something that you could be doing. I want to see where experts in the field of researching and creating medicine have anti-vax views. Doctors are not experts in this area so their opinion is moot, or at least only as good as mine, which is to say not expert. Thus far, I haven't seen that and any discussion on the pros and cons easily favors the vaccine. As for the flu, yeah they can't prevent all of them, but they can vaccinate folks for the most recent, most common strain. You can't vaccinate against cancer, anyone who has told you this is not credible.

But the reason that nobody listens to the anti-vaxxers isn't because all they do is cry autism (which many of them do), but because they are arguing against a scientific consensus and the only time that has ever succeeded has been upon the discovery of some new science. Peoples' opinions will always make good news--because ratings thrive in controversy--but they will never trump science.
#199 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
About that cancer vaccination stuff.. it seems you can.

From www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-cancer-treated/immunotherapy-and-vaccines/what-are-cancer-vaccines .

"A cancer treatment vaccine takes advantage of the immune system’s response to antigens. Often, cancer cells have specific molecules on their surface that are not present on healthy cells. When injected into a person, these specific molecules act as antigens, which stimulate the immune system to recognize and destroy cancer cells that have these molecules on their surface."
#200 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
Well how about that. I knew vaccines are only uses to teach immune systems, I didn't think the immune system could do anything to stop cancer. Thanks for the info.
User avatar #33 - Dropkicksxxx (04/15/2015) [-]
Then give us a serious debate, don't just comment that no one wants to hear it repetitively, just crying about the whole argument is just the same. Either put up so we can debate or suck the snotty end of my fuck stick.
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User avatar #9 - pumkinz (04/15/2015) [-]
It *became a feminist comic
#29 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
damn...
sorry
User avatar #18 - warioteam (04/15/2015) [-]
explain pls
User avatar #19 - pumkinz (04/15/2015) [-]
He had a grammar issue, its became, not got
User avatar #20 - warioteam (04/15/2015) [-]
oh i thought you knew what happened to the comic
User avatar #23 - IamSofaKingdom (04/15/2015) [-]
The artist slowly got more and more irrationally feminist in his comics and many of us old fans grew disappointed and left. That is about the sum of it.
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#72 - lionti (04/15/2015) [-]
What debate is there? you're wrong and we are right. Debate over...
#125 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
how can you state i'm wrong when i didnt even give my opinion?

thats exactly what i meant...
#207 - lionti (04/15/2015) [-]
Because your opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant. Your "evidence" as to the down side of vaccination is ill informed at best! Anyone who says vaccinations cause more harm than good is delusional and simply wrong. There is a mountain of evidence from all sorts of medical practitioners that show that not getting vaccinated increases risk of infection and disease incredibly. How many people do you see dying from small pox? The number is extremely low these days because people are fucking smart enough to get vaccinated, we know from looking back in the past that dying from small pox was shit, so humans put their thinking caps on and said "you know whats shit?, dying from small pox, lets do something about that." That's why we all vaccinate because dying is shit.
#26 - dawsyy (04/15/2015) [-]
if you want a serious debate, then start. what is your topic and how are you going to sell it?
#28 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
Not going to sell anything. My point was that its annoying that so many people argue on both sides without really stating the slightest facts or knowledge. both are just repeating theyr dogma and opinion without scientific backup.

Just interested in that topic (which would of course be vaccines pro/con with the context) generally to find my own opinion on that question.
User avatar #131 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Two objective sources on vaccines and the antivaxxer thing:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/how-vaccines-work.aspx

www.babycenter.com/0_vaccines-and-autism-separating-fact-from-fiction_1470554.bc

Here is one side for vaccinations, notice the use of scientific evidence, research and medical knowledge:
www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

This side is against, notice the anecdotal evidence
www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/vaccines-cause-autism.html

If you don't know both sides' arguments by now and don't know the facts and knowledge being used then you really need to read up.
#132 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
look at my comment #123
the only thing used as anti-vax is that autism bullshit while there are enough scientific works about it.
User avatar #133 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Yeah, but I replied to the comment that you don't know what facts and arguments both sides present (Vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers, not inside the medical community). The links I provided do that, although to get a better overview you should look for more than just those 4 links.
#137 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
ah sorry, it seems i was misunderstood.

as someone who tries to inform himself about that topic (and where else should one do it than in the medical field?) i think BOTH sides (you call them "vaxxers/anti-vaxxers") dont hold up to the standards of a serious discussion.
its an important topic and i think it should be spoken of properly, with the pros and cons getting stated. almost no anti-vaxxer knows anything about vaccinations and spouts that autism bullshit (at least it seems to me on the internet like that) and all the pro-vaccination people just state "its scientific consens thats its great and healthy!" while that isnt 100% true either.

thank you for the effort! i know the arguments of both sides stated like that, i just was annoyed at it again and wanted to point it out. i have that small hope that at least one or two people will be motivated to research that topic seriously when i point out how wrong the arguments of both sides are... but i'm used to getting showered in red thumbs for it or comments like "you are wrongs, we are right. its that easy!" while i havent stated if i'm pro or anti in any of my comments so far...
User avatar #142 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Don't worry about it.

Im a first year medical student and this topic comes up... alot... We get to talk to GPs, hospital workers, nurses etc. The arguments the medical community uses for vaccines is the same as the anti-vaxxers and that argument is basically "Vaccines are so much better than the alternative", not that it doesn't come with risks and complications, but 1/1000 having problems from a vaccine is still preferable to 10/1000 dying from a preventable disease. I pulled the numbers pulled out of my ass but you get the point. Apart from that its more about research to prove this or that isnt caused by vaccines.

You do know the term herd immunity i presume.
User avatar #148 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
Same as the vaxxers, not anti-vaccers
#147 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
now thats what i like to hear... thats some serious talking. no bullshiting or spouting.
you sir earned my respect.

and yeah, of course i know the term. its also one of the arguments for vaccination of course.
i just rmember the case in germany. there were 11.400cases of polio before coutry-wide vaccination was law, after the law came into action 150.000 cases happened.

i would love to have more of the statistics of how many children with vaccines got diseases or negative sideffects and how many kids without the vaccination got serious issues. those are things i think are important too... but tis damn hard to find such informations.
User avatar #152 - mistercookie (04/15/2015) [-]
The only thing I could find on what you are talking about was that the cases of polio in germany jumped from 2275 to ~10000 in 1952 (When the vaccine was first created, not publicly used yet). In 1953 the cases dropped down to around 5000.

www.post-polio.org/ir-ger.html

If you really want to go to the source and actually look through relevant studies yourself the following website is where I get most of my sources that I use in med-school:

www.nih.gov/

They have a giant database over all medical research, so its a good site to educate yourself on the newest and latest in medicine and health.
#218 - kanedam (04/25/2015) [-]
researched a bit about that topic now.

there seem to be quite a lot of thoughts about the pro/contra vaccine that dont have anything to do with that autism argument. thanks for the source to research it better!
#154 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
you are a good man.
thanks!

now... why cant more people communicate on such a level? just read through the responses i got... not a single one was a serious proper argumentation. you got my hopes up again. thanks for that.
#35 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
If you're interested, google it. The science is overwhelmingly pro-vaccine. Info is abundant.
User avatar #24 - fargfive (04/15/2015) [-]
One side has mountains of medical evidence, the other has anecdotes and "mother's intuition".

There's not a lot of room for debate.
#25 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
that statement alone shows that you havent researched the topic at all.
not sure if you're interested in hearing about the arguments or not...
#36 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
Actually his statement is accurate. There is a clear scientific consensus.
#21 - anonymous (04/15/2015) [-]
We give a fuck, but that fuck is overwhelmingly fuck antivaxxers, because they're fucks that put communities at risk and use false information or slippery slope fallacy (Vaccines lead to "other" injections)
#22 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
yeah people give a fuck...
but not about a serious debate.


there are many pros and cons to the topic. and i seldom see either pointed out properly. its just two stupid groups yelling their opinion at each other.
User avatar #140 - neokun (04/15/2015) [-]
Not a single pro for anti vaccines just saying.
#143 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
read #123 or research the topic... there are quite some argumkents against vaccines.
User avatar #146 - neokun (04/15/2015) [-]
"also its not researched what kind of different reaction the body has to the direct injection of the bacteria/virus because usually most infections would have to bypass one of the earlier 'immune-gates' such as the skin, mucosae and so on. "

A vaccine is administered via an injection, that is the direct piercing of your skin. Wouldn't that therefore mean the infection is bypassing the skin?
#149 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
there is quite a difference between getting stuff on your skin and having the bacteria get through your skin, cellwalls, tissues and then into your bloodstream and injecting them directly into your vein/artery.

just like some poisons/medications being smeared on the skin have no effect while being injected they are dangerous. (of course some poisons/medications are strong enough to work through the skin too)
User avatar #34 - lyiat (04/15/2015) [-]
... No, no there really isn't. There isn't a serious debate because one side of it, the anti-vaxx side, is about as correct as flat-eathers. There is utterly nothing to suggest that vaccinations are even an iota as dangerous as what they prevent.
#123 - kanedam (04/15/2015) [-]
there are a few voices in the medical field that research the negative effects of vaccinations.
i'm not talking about that autism bullshit.

but there are some hints that suggest that vaccinations instead of getting the child-diseases can alter a bit of the way the immune-system works maybe causing a higher risk of cancer in old age and thinks like asthma or allergies or leading to other immune-system-deficites.
the research isnt very far because there is only little money for that kind of research but i know from some doctors i personally know that it has been hinted a few times.
also its not researched what kind of different reaction the body has to the direct injection of the bacteria/virus because usually most infections would have to bypass one of the earlier 'immune-gates' such as the skin, mucosae and so on.
there is also the question of how long exactly the vaccination works (for example measles).
and when you add in the historical data it gives a bit of another view. like for example
When the USA made pox vaccination standard in the philippines there was an epidemy with over 160.000 diseased, over 70.000 died.
An australian researcher declared that the swallow-vaccination leads to higher risk of leukamia for children.
There are other research groups that think the risk of getting multiple sklerose is higher for people with tuberculosis vaccination.

and all of that doesnt even have to do with the absurdity of vaccinations against cancer or the flu. as the flu is a highly mutating disease a vaccination seldom usefull for more than a few kinds while there are each year thousands of mutations which dont get covered by the vaccination.

i have to go out to work soon so if you want sources i can search for them tonight... but thats what i mean with there is still a debate going on. and those are things that almost never get stated when this topic comes. its always only the "autism" bullshit.

now thats for the contra side (eventhough there is still much more). on the other side are many arguments for vaccinations. but since they are so obvious and well known i wont waste time and space posting them here. i'm just saying that so that i dont seem like a vaccination-enemy, i'm open to all kinds of arguments. i just prefer to hear both sides properly before making a decision...

drewjitsu fargfive dawsyy dropkicksxxx - and just to make it clear: that i state i'm annoyed by the way this discussion is led doesnt really oblige me to start a discussion. its the same with the religion stuff, just that i'm annoyed when people claim false things in it and that i say that i'm annoyed doesnt mean i HAVE to start a serious debate. i can just post my opinion that its annoying and thats it. still i wanted to show you guys what i meant...
User avatar #203 - fargfive (04/15/2015) [-]
Show some sources (that actually know what they're talking about) for any of this and you'll be well on your way towards an actual debate.

This is what I was getting at when I said anecdotes.
Healthy skepticism is not the same thing as saying there's an argument against something when there really isn't.
User avatar #196 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/15/2015) [-]
>hints
>suggest
>question

Yeah, great counterarguments against a tried and true method of preventing deadly diseases.
#197 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
he is only really saying that there may also be downsides

he is not against vaccinations, he just wants to understand any side effects

that is a very healthy attitude if you ask me
#189 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
You have to be willing to engage in a serious debate if the lack thereof annoys you, otherwise you're just crying for doing something that you could be doing. I want to see where experts in the field of researching and creating medicine have anti-vax views. Doctors are not experts in this area so their opinion is moot, or at least only as good as mine, which is to say not expert. Thus far, I haven't seen that and any discussion on the pros and cons easily favors the vaccine. As for the flu, yeah they can't prevent all of them, but they can vaccinate folks for the most recent, most common strain. You can't vaccinate against cancer, anyone who has told you this is not credible.

But the reason that nobody listens to the anti-vaxxers isn't because all they do is cry autism (which many of them do), but because they are arguing against a scientific consensus and the only time that has ever succeeded has been upon the discovery of some new science. Peoples' opinions will always make good news--because ratings thrive in controversy--but they will never trump science.
#199 - onegaishimasu (04/15/2015) [-]
About that cancer vaccination stuff.. it seems you can.

From www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-cancer-treated/immunotherapy-and-vaccines/what-are-cancer-vaccines .

"A cancer treatment vaccine takes advantage of the immune system’s response to antigens. Often, cancer cells have specific molecules on their surface that are not present on healthy cells. When injected into a person, these specific molecules act as antigens, which stimulate the immune system to recognize and destroy cancer cells that have these molecules on their surface."
#200 - drewjitsu (04/15/2015) [-]
Well how about that. I knew vaccines are only uses to teach immune systems, I didn't think the immune system could do anything to stop cancer. Thanks for the info.
User avatar #33 - Dropkicksxxx (04/15/2015) [-]
Then give us a serious debate, don't just comment that no one wants to hear it repetitively, just crying about the whole argument is just the same. Either put up so we can debate or suck the snotty end of my fuck stick.
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a full for, by of the people democracy.
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User avatar #127 - tridaak (05/20/2015) [-]
#128 to #127 - kanedam ONLINE (05/20/2015) [-]
what is it?
User avatar #129 to #128 - tridaak (05/20/2015) [-]
I saw you were still alive
#130 to #129 - kanedam ONLINE (05/20/2015) [-]
and that made you sad?
User avatar #131 to #130 - tridaak (05/20/2015) [-]
is not a sad face >:
#132 to #131 - kanedam ONLINE (05/20/2015) [-]
a displeased one...
User avatar #125 - lazaman (02/03/2015) [-]
Yer a smart person, and i wish I could present my ideas in such a polite, and effective manner.
Just wanted to give you a bit of praise.
User avatar #118 - Sewallman ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
karma karma karma karma, karma chameleon.
User avatar #120 to #119 - Sewallman ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
Culture Club - Karma Chameleon
#121 to #120 - kanedam ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
who are you?   
and how did you find me?   
and what do you want?
who are you?
and how did you find me?
and what do you want?
User avatar #122 to #121 - Sewallman ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
I just wanted to tell you that you won one of my contests,
#123 to #122 - kanedam ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
what kind of contest?
User avatar #124 to #123 - Sewallman ONLINE (01/26/2015) [-]
The type where I comment something on your profile.

You won!
#113 - profssortwntyight ONLINE (01/21/2015) [-]
Hi there
Hi there
#114 to #113 - kanedam ONLINE (01/21/2015) [-]
who the fuzck are you?
who the fuzck are you?
#115 to #114 - profssortwntyight ONLINE (01/21/2015) [-]
I actually feel intimidatedD: But then again i always do. very easily    
   
U-uhm.. well, i uh always see you around and stuff... I guess i kinda noticed you. So i just wanted to stop.. stop by and say hi..  See if we can be friends maybe?    
   
 This is how long it ook me to search for suitable jiff. didnt even succeed. sigh.
I actually feel intimidatedD: But then again i always do. very easily

U-uhm.. well, i uh always see you around and stuff... I guess i kinda noticed you. So i just wanted to stop.. stop by and say hi.. See if we can be friends maybe?

This is how long it ook me to search for suitable jiff. didnt even succeed. sigh.
#116 to #115 - kanedam ONLINE (01/21/2015) [-]
well.... hello. hehe

seems i got a little stalker... about being friends we will see. first we got to know each other better...
#117 to #116 - profssortwntyight ONLINE (01/22/2015) [-]
Yeah well, i checked your profile comments last night and i noticed that i already know all of the ones on first page lol    
So embarrassing not rlly tho, i like being a stalker at first and then slowly transfer into a friend. It makes me happy  :')   
I wasn't sure if you were just famous or that we were just destined for each other. but whenever im sad i walk up to people a lot more. So every few months i connect with the people ive been stalking  If you could see my made comments, you'd notice that ive made quite a lot new friends this week
Yeah well, i checked your profile comments last night and i noticed that i already know all of the ones on first page lol
So embarrassing not rlly tho, i like being a stalker at first and then slowly transfer into a friend. It makes me happy :')
I wasn't sure if you were just famous or that we were just destined for each other. but whenever im sad i walk up to people a lot more. So every few months i connect with the people ive been stalking If you could see my made comments, you'd notice that ive made quite a lot new friends this week
#112 - kanedam ONLINE (11/13/2014) [-]
**kanedam rolls 60**
User avatar #105 - gunslayer (09/16/2014) [-]
Sorry about that instant ban m8, my mouse went ******* .
#106 to #105 - kanedam ONLINE (09/16/2014) [-]
wut?
i am banned?
didnt even realise it...
User avatar #107 to #106 - gunslayer (09/16/2014) [-]
You were but I unbanned immediately, I had accidentally flagged one of your pics as illegal.

Although one of them was borderline, so that one's gone.
#108 to #107 - kanedam ONLINE (09/16/2014) [-]
but not only the pic is gone but all the comments and the thread to it too...
#110 to #109 - kanedam ONLINE (09/16/2014) [-]
i cant see it...
User avatar #111 to #110 - gunslayer (09/17/2014) [-]
Sorry, I got busy with my work, the comment I flagged was comment #55, scroll down, and you should see it ;)
#104 - manikugotsabigblac (09/12/2014) [-]
WARRUP WARRUP NIKKA EAT A DICK BIETCH NIKKA SLOBBKK
User avatar #102 - tridaak (09/06/2014) [-]
KANEDAM HOW ARE YOU?
#99 - schnizel (08/24/2014) [-]
Here you go.
#100 to #99 - kanedam ONLINE (08/24/2014) [-]
thanks man!
you really did me a nice favour.
#97 - schnizel (08/24/2014) [-]
I just found this.
User avatar #98 to #97 - schnizel (08/24/2014) [-]
lel
that's an asshole
#96 - theflamingfire (08/21/2014) [-]
Hello sugerkan daddy
Hello sugerkan daddy
User avatar #94 - tridaak (08/01/2014) [-]
fehg
#95 to #94 - kanedam ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
Comment Picture
User avatar #93 - tridaak (06/04/2014) [-]
Kanedam, Erubetie wants to talk
User avatar #87 - erubetie (04/17/2014) [-]
Kanedam tridaak is gone ;(
#86 - millemangaface (04/04/2014) [-]
Slices my fingernail + some flesh off yesterday. Had to get a tetanus shot too. Auch. **** happens ;)

Having some trouble writing tho. So it's gonna be some short messages this week, hope it's okey.
User avatar #82 - tridaak (03/17/2014) [-]
kanedam
#84 to #82 - kanedam ONLINE (03/17/2014) [-]
what you want?
what you want?
User avatar #85 to #84 - tridaak (03/20/2014) [-]
kanedam
#88 to #85 - kanedam ONLINE (05/16/2014) [-]
hey ****** tridaak is back?
#90 to #89 - kanedam ONLINE (05/16/2014) [-]
i found you.... muahahahaha
User avatar #91 to #90 - tridaak (05/16/2014) [-]
I'm not supposed to be, but SOMEONE had to undelete my account... so I was forced.
#92 to #91 - kanedam ONLINE (05/16/2014) [-]
well... ok...
#59 to #58 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
Hi
User avatar #60 to #59 - erubetie (03/08/2014) [-]
What do you want anon?
#61 to #60 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
Nothing it's just that I wanted to say hi to you after all. Your just my favorite monster girl thats all.
#62 to #61 - erubetie (03/08/2014) [-]
Why thank you anon
#63 to #62 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
Your welcome I just wish we could meet for real. It's a shame were separated as were separated from monitor though monitor right now as we can never really meet each other :'(
#64 to #63 - erubetie (03/08/2014) [-]
I hope to see you one day....
#65 to #64 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
Yeah... maybe we will one day :')
#67 to #66 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
S-sorry for wasting your time, I-I'll just be going now if you dont mind....
#68 to #67 - erubetie (03/08/2014) [-]
Why leave?
#72 to #68 - anonymous (03/09/2014) [-]
..............I think I've been here for a while now -_-'
#73 to #72 - erubetie (03/09/2014) [-]
Why are you anon.... who are you anyway
#74 to #73 - anonymous (03/09/2014) [-]
You can just call me little anon, but just for now. I keep my name a secret so no one will know my real name.
#75 to #74 - erubetie (03/09/2014) [-]
Why don't you want to tell me your real name are you embarrassed of me anon
#76 to #75 - anonymous (03/09/2014) [-]
I don't know really I just don't want to tell my real name yet, but I will maybe someday, once I make a account. I been in this site for a while too, some Im not really new here a little bit.
#77 to #76 - erubetie (03/09/2014) [-]
How did you found out about me in the first place?
#78 to #77 - anonymous (03/09/2014) [-]
I found out about you on the Internet. Heard about monster girl quest, knew your name, searched it on google and found you here. I actually known you for a very long time.
#79 to #78 - erubetie (03/09/2014) [-]
Well I hope we can stay in touch anon.
#80 to #79 - anonymous (03/09/2014) [-]
Fine by me
#69 to #68 - anonymous (03/08/2014) [-]
I don't know, it's just that you were giving me that face of digust look earlier, I thought I was just wasting time for you that's all.
#55 - erubetie (03/05/2014) [-]
Kanedam do you have any time to talk with me?
#57 to #55 - kanedam ONLINE (03/05/2014) [-]
tonight i will have some time.
User avatar #56 to #55 - tridaak (03/05/2014) [-]
(I see how it is)
User avatar #54 - tridaak (03/04/2014) [-]
HEY KANEDAM
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