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#134 - how childish can you be? the question "what is w…  [+] (10 new replies) 03/19/2016 on hmmm 0
#135 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
--That was my point. I'm saying that the mere fact that something is illegal does not make it wrong.
#136 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
and as i said... treason should be punished.
#139 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Explain to me how this does not contradict your previous statement.
#141 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
it's a fact he betrayed the system he worked in. he gave informations to other countries. thats treason.
i'm not judging the morality of that action. if it was right or wrong... i'm just stating the fact.
the system HAS to punish him, if not for anything else than at least to make sure others wont copy that behaviour. its impossible for a system to work (especially something like military, government, intelligence organisations, etc) if each and every employee would be allowed to decide for themself if the order they were given to is to be followed or not.
#143 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
I agree with you then. From the state's point of view, of course he should be punished. He should be punished even if he'd just revealed the "bad" stuff.

But from your point of view, do you think he should be punished?
#144 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
absolutely.

he betrayed his country... i'm not american and i still remember the outrage the data he gave to others caused in other countries. diplomatic channels got pretty bad since then, the russian behaviour changed drastically after that and europe was pretty pissed.
the whole world hated the usa a bit more after that incident... and what for? no clue about you, but literally EVERYONE i know already knew that the us citizens were spied on. i mean, it was obvious. just the dumbest people were like "oh no, thats conspiracy. thats tinfoil theory!" and such. anyone with a bit of knowledge in that field or historic knew what was going on anyway. sure, now they had sure proof, but that really matter anyway.
there were no great changes... nothing really was of use. a lot of secret informations were leaked that made the usa seem pretty incompetent, dumb, aggressive and so on. allies were outraged and since then the other countries dont really want to associate so much with the usa anymore. where was the benefit for that much damage?

also: why did he share the information with russia and china? informations that didnt help the US citizens. nope, he shared them to save his ass.
would think otherwise of him if he became a whistleblower for his people and then went to martyrdom and jail. if he stated honestly "well, thats the way it is. i had to tell my people, and now i'm ready for whatever will come". nope, he shared infos with the enemy to ensure his own safety. from that moment on he lost all credibility in my opinion honestly.
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#156 - captnnorway (03/19/2016) [-]
It's a pretty deadly difference between everyone knowing and the government being forced to admit it. As long as there is no proof, they can always fall back on "It's just a conspiracy" or "It's not as bad as you think, what we really do is: 'and then cherry pick some not sensitive stuff'"
#146 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Betraying a country is not a bad thing in itself. Betraying Qing China, or Nazi Germany or whatever -- are, in my eyes, good. You are not morally beholden to a state -- you don't get a "choice" in the matter, after all.

Your "save his ass" comment makes no sense. If he didn't need to save his ass to begin with (i.e. he was not going to be punished), according to you he wouldn't have done it. Either way -- I disagree that saving yourself is worthy of punishment.

I personally was shocked that the US was monitoring people. It was not known by anyone in this country, that's for sure.
#147 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
well... you asked me for my opinion. i gave you mine.
#148 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Well yeah. Because you gave yours originally (treason = should be punished, which while from the perspective of the state is still your opinion) I kind of assume you want to argue about it, otherwise you wouldn't make the comment to begin with. Not on a site like this, anyway.
#129 - depending on the point of view  [+] (12 new replies) 03/19/2016 on hmmm 0
#131 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Then my point of view differs from yours.

If something is wrong, it is wrong because it is wrong. Not because it has been deemed illegal.
#134 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
how childish can you be?

the question "what is wrong and right" cant be answered so easily.
for the gov and the system it surely is a grave betrayal and trust and they will see that action as wrong.
for the people that found out the nsa was spying on them it was enlightening and therefor the right action.
for him, himself sharing those information with other countries to acquire safety surely was a right thing to do too.
for the men in the field having gotten endangered because the information were leaked it surely was morally wrong to betray them and endanger them.
for other countries it was surely a good thing to acquire additional informations they could use for themself and against the usa
for someone loving his country it must seem morally wrong to help the enemy out.
and so on... and so on...
#135 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
--That was my point. I'm saying that the mere fact that something is illegal does not make it wrong.
#136 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
and as i said... treason should be punished.
#139 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Explain to me how this does not contradict your previous statement.
#141 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
it's a fact he betrayed the system he worked in. he gave informations to other countries. thats treason.
i'm not judging the morality of that action. if it was right or wrong... i'm just stating the fact.
the system HAS to punish him, if not for anything else than at least to make sure others wont copy that behaviour. its impossible for a system to work (especially something like military, government, intelligence organisations, etc) if each and every employee would be allowed to decide for themself if the order they were given to is to be followed or not.
#143 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
I agree with you then. From the state's point of view, of course he should be punished. He should be punished even if he'd just revealed the "bad" stuff.

But from your point of view, do you think he should be punished?
#144 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
absolutely.

he betrayed his country... i'm not american and i still remember the outrage the data he gave to others caused in other countries. diplomatic channels got pretty bad since then, the russian behaviour changed drastically after that and europe was pretty pissed.
the whole world hated the usa a bit more after that incident... and what for? no clue about you, but literally EVERYONE i know already knew that the us citizens were spied on. i mean, it was obvious. just the dumbest people were like "oh no, thats conspiracy. thats tinfoil theory!" and such. anyone with a bit of knowledge in that field or historic knew what was going on anyway. sure, now they had sure proof, but that really matter anyway.
there were no great changes... nothing really was of use. a lot of secret informations were leaked that made the usa seem pretty incompetent, dumb, aggressive and so on. allies were outraged and since then the other countries dont really want to associate so much with the usa anymore. where was the benefit for that much damage?

also: why did he share the information with russia and china? informations that didnt help the US citizens. nope, he shared them to save his ass.
would think otherwise of him if he became a whistleblower for his people and then went to martyrdom and jail. if he stated honestly "well, thats the way it is. i had to tell my people, and now i'm ready for whatever will come". nope, he shared infos with the enemy to ensure his own safety. from that moment on he lost all credibility in my opinion honestly.
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#156 - captnnorway (03/19/2016) [-]
It's a pretty deadly difference between everyone knowing and the government being forced to admit it. As long as there is no proof, they can always fall back on "It's just a conspiracy" or "It's not as bad as you think, what we really do is: 'and then cherry pick some not sensitive stuff'"
#146 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Betraying a country is not a bad thing in itself. Betraying Qing China, or Nazi Germany or whatever -- are, in my eyes, good. You are not morally beholden to a state -- you don't get a "choice" in the matter, after all.

Your "save his ass" comment makes no sense. If he didn't need to save his ass to begin with (i.e. he was not going to be punished), according to you he wouldn't have done it. Either way -- I disagree that saving yourself is worthy of punishment.

I personally was shocked that the US was monitoring people. It was not known by anyone in this country, that's for sure.
#147 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
well... you asked me for my opinion. i gave you mine.
#148 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Well yeah. Because you gave yours originally (treason = should be punished, which while from the perspective of the state is still your opinion) I kind of assume you want to argue about it, otherwise you wouldn't make the comment to begin with. Not on a site like this, anyway.
#39 - easy... 03/19/2016 on Yay or nay? 0
#21 - wasnt kinsey also promoting the idea of young men who need she…  [+] (1 new reply) 03/19/2016 on Homosexuality +5
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#26 - talosknight (03/19/2016) [-]
You are correct. Kinsey was responsible for articles claiming that almost all sexual deviation is natural as part of humanity, and than punishing these sexual deviations was a crime against nature. So according to Kinsey, if you wanted to fuck your 4 year old daughter, and then plow the family dog, that's cool and natural. So the vast majority of the psychology world ignores his research as being that of a crazed man, except the Knsey scale of homosexuality.
#48 - not sharing the information with other countries, highly sensi…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/19/2016 on hmmm +3
#145 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
That's still treason.
#244 - skebaba (03/19/2016) [-]
Treason is what government wants it to be. This is its very definition. Not eating vegetables is treason IMO.
#305 - hongkonglongdong (03/20/2016) [-]
Which is why it's still treason.
#45 - so each worker, each soldier, each person in every organisatio…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/19/2016 on hmmm 0
#259 - skebaba (03/20/2016) [-]
Of course, if the things are illegal, then yes, obviously.
#284 - kanedam (03/20/2016) [-]
do you underestand that an intelligence organisation operates mostly in the illegal field?

and just out of curiosity: so it is alright to do something illegal to your boss because he does something illegal?
#301 - skebaba (03/20/2016) [-]
Yes, if it's whistleblowing on their illegal deeds.
#44 - what he did was alright for the people. how he did it was …  [+] (20 new replies) 03/19/2016 on hmmm -4
#57 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Illegal != wrong.

Treason != wrong.
#129 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
depending on the point of view
#131 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Then my point of view differs from yours.

If something is wrong, it is wrong because it is wrong. Not because it has been deemed illegal.
#134 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
how childish can you be?

the question "what is wrong and right" cant be answered so easily.
for the gov and the system it surely is a grave betrayal and trust and they will see that action as wrong.
for the people that found out the nsa was spying on them it was enlightening and therefor the right action.
for him, himself sharing those information with other countries to acquire safety surely was a right thing to do too.
for the men in the field having gotten endangered because the information were leaked it surely was morally wrong to betray them and endanger them.
for other countries it was surely a good thing to acquire additional informations they could use for themself and against the usa
for someone loving his country it must seem morally wrong to help the enemy out.
and so on... and so on...
#135 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
--That was my point. I'm saying that the mere fact that something is illegal does not make it wrong.
#136 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
and as i said... treason should be punished.
#139 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Explain to me how this does not contradict your previous statement.
#141 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
it's a fact he betrayed the system he worked in. he gave informations to other countries. thats treason.
i'm not judging the morality of that action. if it was right or wrong... i'm just stating the fact.
the system HAS to punish him, if not for anything else than at least to make sure others wont copy that behaviour. its impossible for a system to work (especially something like military, government, intelligence organisations, etc) if each and every employee would be allowed to decide for themself if the order they were given to is to be followed or not.
#143 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
I agree with you then. From the state's point of view, of course he should be punished. He should be punished even if he'd just revealed the "bad" stuff.

But from your point of view, do you think he should be punished?
#144 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
absolutely.

he betrayed his country... i'm not american and i still remember the outrage the data he gave to others caused in other countries. diplomatic channels got pretty bad since then, the russian behaviour changed drastically after that and europe was pretty pissed.
the whole world hated the usa a bit more after that incident... and what for? no clue about you, but literally EVERYONE i know already knew that the us citizens were spied on. i mean, it was obvious. just the dumbest people were like "oh no, thats conspiracy. thats tinfoil theory!" and such. anyone with a bit of knowledge in that field or historic knew what was going on anyway. sure, now they had sure proof, but that really matter anyway.
there were no great changes... nothing really was of use. a lot of secret informations were leaked that made the usa seem pretty incompetent, dumb, aggressive and so on. allies were outraged and since then the other countries dont really want to associate so much with the usa anymore. where was the benefit for that much damage?

also: why did he share the information with russia and china? informations that didnt help the US citizens. nope, he shared them to save his ass.
would think otherwise of him if he became a whistleblower for his people and then went to martyrdom and jail. if he stated honestly "well, thats the way it is. i had to tell my people, and now i'm ready for whatever will come". nope, he shared infos with the enemy to ensure his own safety. from that moment on he lost all credibility in my opinion honestly.
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#156 - captnnorway (03/19/2016) [-]
It's a pretty deadly difference between everyone knowing and the government being forced to admit it. As long as there is no proof, they can always fall back on "It's just a conspiracy" or "It's not as bad as you think, what we really do is: 'and then cherry pick some not sensitive stuff'"
#146 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Betraying a country is not a bad thing in itself. Betraying Qing China, or Nazi Germany or whatever -- are, in my eyes, good. You are not morally beholden to a state -- you don't get a "choice" in the matter, after all.

Your "save his ass" comment makes no sense. If he didn't need to save his ass to begin with (i.e. he was not going to be punished), according to you he wouldn't have done it. Either way -- I disagree that saving yourself is worthy of punishment.

I personally was shocked that the US was monitoring people. It was not known by anyone in this country, that's for sure.
#147 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
well... you asked me for my opinion. i gave you mine.
#148 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
Well yeah. Because you gave yours originally (treason = should be punished, which while from the perspective of the state is still your opinion) I kind of assume you want to argue about it, otherwise you wouldn't make the comment to begin with. Not on a site like this, anyway.
#47 - anon (03/19/2016) [-]
in what way could he have done it without it being treason?
#132 - toohntown (03/19/2016) [-]
he couldnt, but it was a sacrifice he was obviously willing to make
#48 - kanedam (03/19/2016) [-]
not sharing the information with other countries, highly sensitive informations btw, to stay safe.
making sure the information leaked isnt going to endanger american citizens or projects in foreign countries.
#145 - hongkonglongdong (03/19/2016) [-]
That's still treason.
#244 - skebaba (03/19/2016) [-]
Treason is what government wants it to be. This is its very definition. Not eating vegetables is treason IMO.
#305 - hongkonglongdong (03/20/2016) [-]
Which is why it's still treason.
#9 - to all those surprised with "whoa, they agree on somethin…  [+] (1 new reply) 03/18/2016 on Who Wore It Better? +40
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#35 - pokemonstheshiz (03/19/2016) [-]
the two major US parties are very similar, and just disagree on a small number of issues, which they try to harp on these to make the other party seem like the bad guy
#44 - almost everyone i know knows its not a problem with guns, its …  [+] (2 new replies) 03/18/2016 on Gun Control Propaganda... -1
#153 - anon (03/19/2016) [-]
I wish people would not use a blanket generalization of "American mentality": a vastly disproportionate amount of the problem is because of inner city gangs. We're you to eliminate that minority population from the statistics, the United States has a far lower crime rate, homicide rate, and gun death rate than the rest of the world despite our high percentage of legal gun ownership.

Inner city gangs do not represent the "American mentality".
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#158 - elvoz (03/19/2016) [-]
While I agree with this anon, I have to point out that while gangs don't represent the "American mentality" they are a part of it (as small a part it may be). It is something to think about and something to address when discussing violence in the United States.
#90 - where does it say every woman is submissive? 03/18/2016 on Why I prefer Dominant women... +1