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#8 - Picture 10 hours ago on Hey look 0
#7 - What the bloody **** is that gif from?  [+] (1 new reply) 10 hours ago on Hey look 0
User avatar #11 - berkut (9 hours ago) [-]
Hentai, and a good one.
#44 - yeah Tsume I had him in that runner when we weren't outside, b…  [+] (3 new replies) 18 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf 0
#93 - anonymous (16 hours ago) [-]
thank you he would be prettier if it wasnt for his eye. and sorry im wrong his mom is only 96-97% its near impossible to get a 100% in california and illegal in most states. my friend had one that was registered at 99.9% which is legal but he was 100%. his family lived in alaska and a sheep farmer killed them all and grabbed the babies in revenge and my friends grandfather saw the pup tied to the stump and hopped the fence grabbed it and ran. he then gave it to his granddaughters who had hell raising him but he was such a good boy in the end. lol after he was like 13 and to old to do anything. so where did you get tsume and my husband looked and he said if it is a wolfdog its likely to be about 50 to maybe 60% given the description of its behavior
User avatar #94 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
sorry funnyjunk logged me out for some reason and i didnt notice
#73 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Huskies and Malamutes, and mixes of each, often do not bark much or at all. They can ALL howl, and they have beautiful voices. Here is my Siberian Husky doing the same.
#37 - This was Tsume  [+] (9 new replies) 18 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf 0
#72 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
This is a real wolf. Can you spot some of the differences?

First off, notice the eyes. They are bright yellow - not just light brown like a dog's, but very vibrant, with jet black eyeliner. The eyes are angular and slanted.

The markings are smooth and well blended - the face is not pure white; the back is not dark colored and distinguishable from the rest of the color like one big black, brown or gray spot or "Saddle". That is a German Shepherd trait.

The ears are not high on the head or close together. They are not pointed or triangular, they are rounded. They are thick, like shoe leather, and have a lot of fur inside - you do not see skin inside of them.

The tail is black tipped; the chest is narrow, the legs are long. Even the posture is different - wolves typically walk with their heads level with their spine.

I can guarantee you, your dog was not a wolf. It did not even have wolf in it. It was in fact, a "wolfy" looking dog. I've seen a hundred husky/shepherd mixes who look just like it.

And it was a MUCH better pet because of that. If he was a real wolf, you would have been beyond in over your head and your "pet wolf" would have gotten loose and died. Wolves do not make good dogs.
#68 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
You had a Siberian Husky mix. Here is one who looked just like yours. She is a Siberian Husky mixed with German Shepherd - very little to no wolf at all.
#69 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Same animal; still not a wolf.
#40 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
yea it has to have dog in it. a 100% wolf is so very hard to find. hatis mom is 100% but i dont know where they got her. and you definetly know you have a wolfdog when all it does is want to chew on things move things around. my dog doesnt bark, chews up things, has a 40 foot by 40 foot enclosure which is only 5 feet over the minimum legal limit in california. hes so different than any dog ive ever had. if your wolf is calm lazy cuddly then you probably have a mix to not a wolf at all. its very rare for a wolf to be well behaved. mine is 86% so hes high content and high maintenance i had to read so many books on him before even meeting him.
this isnt the pic i wanted to use but apparently all my other ones are to big
#44 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
yeah Tsume I had him in that runner when we weren't outside, but we let him run when we were there out in the woods. He was a sweetie, but didn't really chew or bark. Actually, I don't remember hearing him bark at all... (he might have when I wasn't there but idk). He did howl unlike my other doggies. He listened to me over my dad which at the time was unheard of for our dogs (he was alpha, then me, then my mom) but not for Tsume. I was alpha to him. Incredibly smart. OMG YOUR WOLF IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't have been full. But I do know that his mom and dad and grandparents were in this HUGE enclosure (Ohio) and they had the pups out in their barn. I wish I had a better pic than that but if you saw his eyes, they were the same as yours. I just girled him up a lot and gave him a pink collar and stuff lol
#93 - anonymous (16 hours ago) [-]
thank you he would be prettier if it wasnt for his eye. and sorry im wrong his mom is only 96-97% its near impossible to get a 100% in california and illegal in most states. my friend had one that was registered at 99.9% which is legal but he was 100%. his family lived in alaska and a sheep farmer killed them all and grabbed the babies in revenge and my friends grandfather saw the pup tied to the stump and hopped the fence grabbed it and ran. he then gave it to his granddaughters who had hell raising him but he was such a good boy in the end. lol after he was like 13 and to old to do anything. so where did you get tsume and my husband looked and he said if it is a wolfdog its likely to be about 50 to maybe 60% given the description of its behavior
User avatar #94 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
sorry funnyjunk logged me out for some reason and i didnt notice
#73 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Huskies and Malamutes, and mixes of each, often do not bark much or at all. They can ALL howl, and they have beautiful voices. Here is my Siberian Husky doing the same.
#41 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
#35 - ok i have the picture. I am on my boyfriend's account. If I ta…  [+] (1 new reply) 18 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf 0
User avatar #36 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
you can save it from fb and put it here yes
#29 - I got Tsume at 5 and a half weeks, so from the litter I kept h…  [+] (14 new replies) 18 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf 0
User avatar #34 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
oh and his brother is wyatt they look really similar. they are only half brothers though. the only difference between them is hati has shorter fur than wyatt
User avatar #33 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
he has to in order to be majorly grey. you know people lie all the time about selling wolfdogs so they sell more. ive met so many "Wolf dogs" and they were just german shepherds or huskys or malamutes. mines two. he loved people but one day we took him to his godfathers house and a friend knocked over a box in the garage causing mass amounts of boxes to fall with it and the noise was so loud he got so scared and ever since then hes been scared of anyone new. this is his family. his dad is dalton and his mom is either betsy or annie. i forget.
www.howlinghillswolfranch.com/Webpage-3-.html
#37 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
This was Tsume
#72 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
This is a real wolf. Can you spot some of the differences?

First off, notice the eyes. They are bright yellow - not just light brown like a dog's, but very vibrant, with jet black eyeliner. The eyes are angular and slanted.

The markings are smooth and well blended - the face is not pure white; the back is not dark colored and distinguishable from the rest of the color like one big black, brown or gray spot or "Saddle". That is a German Shepherd trait.

The ears are not high on the head or close together. They are not pointed or triangular, they are rounded. They are thick, like shoe leather, and have a lot of fur inside - you do not see skin inside of them.

The tail is black tipped; the chest is narrow, the legs are long. Even the posture is different - wolves typically walk with their heads level with their spine.

I can guarantee you, your dog was not a wolf. It did not even have wolf in it. It was in fact, a "wolfy" looking dog. I've seen a hundred husky/shepherd mixes who look just like it.

And it was a MUCH better pet because of that. If he was a real wolf, you would have been beyond in over your head and your "pet wolf" would have gotten loose and died. Wolves do not make good dogs.
#68 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
You had a Siberian Husky mix. Here is one who looked just like yours. She is a Siberian Husky mixed with German Shepherd - very little to no wolf at all.
#69 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Same animal; still not a wolf.
#40 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
yea it has to have dog in it. a 100% wolf is so very hard to find. hatis mom is 100% but i dont know where they got her. and you definetly know you have a wolfdog when all it does is want to chew on things move things around. my dog doesnt bark, chews up things, has a 40 foot by 40 foot enclosure which is only 5 feet over the minimum legal limit in california. hes so different than any dog ive ever had. if your wolf is calm lazy cuddly then you probably have a mix to not a wolf at all. its very rare for a wolf to be well behaved. mine is 86% so hes high content and high maintenance i had to read so many books on him before even meeting him.
this isnt the pic i wanted to use but apparently all my other ones are to big
#44 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
yeah Tsume I had him in that runner when we weren't outside, but we let him run when we were there out in the woods. He was a sweetie, but didn't really chew or bark. Actually, I don't remember hearing him bark at all... (he might have when I wasn't there but idk). He did howl unlike my other doggies. He listened to me over my dad which at the time was unheard of for our dogs (he was alpha, then me, then my mom) but not for Tsume. I was alpha to him. Incredibly smart. OMG YOUR WOLF IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't have been full. But I do know that his mom and dad and grandparents were in this HUGE enclosure (Ohio) and they had the pups out in their barn. I wish I had a better pic than that but if you saw his eyes, they were the same as yours. I just girled him up a lot and gave him a pink collar and stuff lol
#93 - anonymous (16 hours ago) [-]
thank you he would be prettier if it wasnt for his eye. and sorry im wrong his mom is only 96-97% its near impossible to get a 100% in california and illegal in most states. my friend had one that was registered at 99.9% which is legal but he was 100%. his family lived in alaska and a sheep farmer killed them all and grabbed the babies in revenge and my friends grandfather saw the pup tied to the stump and hopped the fence grabbed it and ran. he then gave it to his granddaughters who had hell raising him but he was such a good boy in the end. lol after he was like 13 and to old to do anything. so where did you get tsume and my husband looked and he said if it is a wolfdog its likely to be about 50 to maybe 60% given the description of its behavior
User avatar #94 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
sorry funnyjunk logged me out for some reason and i didnt notice
#73 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Huskies and Malamutes, and mixes of each, often do not bark much or at all. They can ALL howl, and they have beautiful voices. Here is my Siberian Husky doing the same.
#41 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
#35 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
ok i have the picture. I am on my boyfriend's account. If I take a picture on my phone of the pic, and send it to fb, can I save it, and upload it here? Hold on
User avatar #36 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
you can save it from fb and put it here yes
#26 - He looked a lot like the one in the pic. he had a multi-colore…  [+] (78 new replies) 19 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf 0
#64 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
"there wasn't a trace of dog that I could see."

Exactly - the vast, VAST majority of people cannot tell a wolf from a "wolf-like" pure dog. Wolves are not cuddly - most wolfdogs aren't either. You can't make them behave by "showing them dominance" or "being the alpha" - they are closely related to wild animals, and they act like them in most regards.

You are giving advice to someone who DOES have a true high-content wolfdog - I know for a fact littleliz does have a legitimate animal. I also know the breeder who produced that animal.

In my opinion, they are not good breeders - but they do have true wolfdogs. If yours had any wolf in it, it was very little to none.
User avatar #95 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
its nice to see you again by the way did you get the dog you wanted?
#96 - Dember (16 hours ago) [-]
Not yet, but we're hoping for a spring litter! I have been spending more time with his future parents, though, and the rest of their pack. Mind if I dump some photos of them? This is the mother-to-be. c:
User avatar #98 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
dump away. i love photos of wolfdogs. my god shes gorgeous. i love her color and that thick kneck fur. i like how she stands so proud looking.
#101 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Believe it or not, that is her summer coat! She and her sister both keep a very thick, plush coat all year long.
Many true HCs do lose most of their fur and look terrible, like drowned rats with wolfy faces. She is never not beautiful.

She is extremely shy and skittish, even by true high-content wolfdog standards; she and her sister are from good lines, but they fell into the hands of cruel people who beat them with sticks when they "weren't being good dogs".

The man who took them in is a great guy, but she is still very timid with men in general as a result of the abuse she suffered as a puppy.
So far, I'm the only one who has been able to hand-feed her. <3
User avatar #108 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
<3 those eyes!!!!!!! i love the copper eyes on a black wolf. i have a picture of one right now on my wall. and actually if you didnt tell me i would assume it was her winter coat.
most people just dont understand what a wolf is. they are way more than a pretty face. and so much more than a normal dog. my husband wanted a black coated wolf but that just wasnt available. and in all honesty i think i prefer the full natural look. people think that black wolves are dogs and they are half right so i just dont like the oh that thing is clearly part dog its not interesting, comments. black coated wolves got their coats from dogs they are the only species to get a color change like that. they went from wolf to black dog back to wolf and turned black. sorry if you know this i just found this out yesterday and i thought it was cool lol
#116 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
My pup actually might even be born blue. The father carries the gene for it; his mother was a rare Blue, and many of his siblings have been as well.

Blue is a diluted form of Black, so being bred to a black phase could potentially throw blue pups also. This was his mother, bred by Southern Breeze.
User avatar #117 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
what i like about blue animals is there fur always seems so thick and even it looks sooo soft!
#119 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Blue wolfdogs phase too, actually - just like real black phases do. This is the same animal; showing how it really is just a lighter version of the color.
User avatar #122 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
so where is the place you go to again? you make me want to take a trip just to go see these beautiful animals
User avatar #130 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
Sitka (the blue female), her mate Sagaya, and two of their pups (McKinnley and Nala) are owned by Western Sky Wolfdogs.

I would not recommend them. They line-breed their animals; that is why I only want a pup from Cove, who will not be bred with another relative.
His mother and father are aunt and nephew, in order to produce the rare blue coloration.


Olmec (the solid black one) and his sister, as well as their parents (the same parents of Isis and Peaches) is owned by a private breeder who does not produce litters anymore.
The HC Arctics I posted are owned by USA Wolves, in Texas.
Some of the others from their lines (and Aniia and Eros as well) are from Wolfzone1.

As for all of my own photographs below; of Isis, Peaches, Kahleesi, Cove, Lulu, Eros and Aniia, belong to Rare Breed Exotics.

They typically do not allow strangers to visit their home, because they have had problems with people stealing animals and vandalizing property before.
If you were seriously interested, I could definitely put you in contact with them though. They have a website and a facebook group as well.

I don't believe I've ever asked; you don't seem to breed, yourself, but did you ever have Hati neutered?
User avatar #133 - littleliz (14 hours ago) [-]
oh i dont want another lol. hati himself is such a handful. i really love this breed i truly do but hati is the last of our wolf dog days. the reality of these animals is they are not only time consuming but they inhibit you from so much. going on vacation is near impossible. moving is far out of the question. and my husband wants to be a doctor so the city is where we will eventually move to. i honestly dread the day i have to move back to the city but my husband is so passionate about this i cant say no. so unfortunately hati is our last wolf dog. thankfully hes only two. so i have time still to be with him. but that also means im not able to go to the city when my husband goes off to stanford. but honestly i would do almost anything for hati and bear. also after hati passes our plans are for a fox so theres that to look forward to. for now i have to simply fawn over pictures of what could be lol. i just never met another wolf dog before. im so interested in seeing another. i wish hati one day could meet one and finally get a worthy play mate besides his "little brother" and "uncle".
and those poor people. thats just so rude that people do stuff like that! those poor animals i bet they ended up dead because of ignorant people.
#139 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
You realize wolfdogs can live perfectly happy lives in towns and cities, right? It does depend on the size of your property, but as long as you have the funds to put up the proper enclosures AND you live in and area where the howling isn't a huge problem, they don't know any different.

Rare Breed Exotics is in the Sacramento area, in a normal neighborhood in town.
As you can see, the containment setup is just as secure as it would be if it were out in the country or anywhere else.

We are in the suburbs of a small town in the Sac area also. We won't be moving; our own enclosure is already in progress and close to being finished as well.
User avatar #147 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
oh yea he howls. i swear one time i went to the local mini store and i can hear him its 3 miles away. im standing in the parking lot listening and the men are all. oh dang there is a ciyote! i giggled. they are pretty redkneck. i know they fit in fine but my husband is looking for more apartment or condo type things. things without back yards. hati can move cause its not like we let him walk around the property but i just dont think he would be as happy. he stays with his best friend named aris a female husky who wouldve made a good breeding partner i think. he just doesnt seem as happy. he doesnt seem to like the noise. thats in the bay area so shes also sort of far to be breeding buddies. driving 3 hours just isnt as appealing to me lol plus aris has a pretty big pack as it is. shes pretty though. ive never met a pure bread husky before. she is so small! shes like a small lab or a tall beagle lol. it was quite a shock. plus shes so vocal.
#148 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
I have a midget dog; LC husky mix. My others are 55, 65, and 90 pounds. This one is 35 pounds. Here she is next to my little 8 pound Pomeranian - not an enormous size difference; not like you would expect. We plan to continue her line with her next year, but it's going to be interesting finding a male who isn't obnoxiously large in comparison to her. Ironically, ALL of her siblings range from 60 to 90 pounds. She was not the runt at all; we had no runts in her litter, and she was one of the largest females born, but all of the others outgrew her by half a year old. I'm really not sure how much bigger she will get.
#112 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Her brother is almost pure black, actually - it's very uncommon for higher content wolfdogs to hold that color; most phase out to silver as they age. He is an upper-mid to lower-HC - Isis inherited more wolf traits.

And you're sort of right. The black phase color in "pure" wolves does come from cross-breeding with domestic dogs, hundreds or even thousands of generations ago - but it does not mean they are not every bit as much wolf as any other color of wolf ("99.9%"?). Being born black does not make them less wolf at all.
User avatar #121 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
oh i know that but you know how it is other people just dont understand. the black wolf is an official wolf no matter what people say. i think isis and eros are my favorite. eros has the most gorgeous coat out of any wolf with those colors. and i favor the artics. their fluffyness is so adorable.
so on a more personal note do you ever get called weird or made fun of for wanting a wolfdog? i get the whole "oh you only got it because you wanted to look cool" or "you must be a furry" "you must be really into anime hati sounds japanese" even though hati is nordic (i think) hes like lokis grandson or something like that.
i didnt choose my dog he was 6 months old when i met him but i still get nasty comments. i wouldve chose him if my husband was still in the buying process when we met. i just personally like more different pets. not usual ones.
User avatar #134 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
To give you a good idea of what he'll look like as an adult, here is Eros' older brother, who won a couple of prizes in a little "wolfdog show" for obedience and most wolf-like appearance. c:

And you get those comments everywhere, both online and in person - even when you just have a husky, malamute or wolfy-looking mix.
Yes, Hati is the son of Fenrir, whose father was Loki.

I have many reasons for admiring and wishing to share my life with exotic companion animals, such as wolfdogs, savannah cats and such. None of which are the business of random passerbys or haters who are going to judge you no matter what you say, typically with the "wolfs b-long in da wilds" PETA mentality.

People who know even the most basic facts about wolfdogs know very well that no wolfdog raised in captivity, no matter how much wolf content it has in it, is capable of surviving in the wild.

There have been reintroduction programs to restore wolf populations, using semi-tame wolves (or perhaps even high-content wolfdogs) - and it was in fact successful.
But it was not easy, and not without setbacks...sometimes heartbreaking ones. No typical wolfdog or "pet wolf" would ever make it, so being "set free" would just be a long, slow death sentence.

No, true wolfdogs do not make "good dogs" - if I wanted a wonderful dog with a convincingly wolfy look, I would get a Tamaskan or even a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog; they are both excellent alternatives.

I plan to use my true HC wolfdog for educational work, to teach others about wolfdogs and wolves, and help eliminate myths and misconceptions about them. As someone who has worked with rescue centers and the ambassador wolfdogs, that is what I aspire to do.
#145 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
I forgot the picture of his brother! Here it is; littleliz
#157 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
this is my personal favorite. they both look so happy. we were renewing hatis rabies shot and with his fear issues we brought bear for moral support. the vet is so supportive with us. i adore him. he totally respects our space and helps us escort hati inside through the back. you can imagine how much people want to touch him. bear was adorable that day he saw how scared hati was and kissed his nose.our vet is an exotic animal vet and hati seems to feel ok around him. hes obviously scared but once in the office he lays down and just looks like hes given up. i always joke and say hes accepted his death he gave up. the vet is more than able to give him shots touch him touch his teeth. its nice. he knows a lot about him and he even gets down and sits on he ground.
#159 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Aww, that is definitely a cute moment you captured. <3 Hati looks tense, but not all-out terrified; at least not in these photos alone. The high-contents at RBE just pace and move around constantly, hyper-alert to their surroundings whenever humans are in the area at all.

The two rescue girls are skittish, with Isis being shy and timid; Peaches will warm up quickly but Isis is curious yet keeps her distance at all times - she experimentally licked my hand one time before darting off and resuming her pacing, and that is as much physical contact as I've ever actually had with her, even if she does like to get right up close and personal and sometimes just sit and watch me, or look around and pose pretty for pictures.

Kahleesi on the other hand is not fearful at all - rather she is completely indifferent about people, and is aloof to the point that she does not care to interact.

None of them are the least bit aggressive; you would have to corner them and grab hold of them to risk a fear-bite, and even then you can actually pick them up and carry them without them freaking out or anything. They're not that big or heavy.

Cove on the other hand, he has the social skills of a big lovable husky and is just as sweet and friendly as any of mine. Trots right up and begs for love and attention, loves to be touched and scratched and rolling around on my lap. That more than anything is why I want a pup from him - he has the perfect, ideal ambassador temperament.

As a rescue himself (again, comes from great lines but wound up in an inadequate home) he was not socialized with small animals or children when he was young, which inhibits him from being one himself.

A shame, because he would make a great one. I can only hope any pup of his, with lots of socialization from the very start, would be a perfect opportunity to engage in educational work with.

Schools and other similar events would be my major goal, but even just being able to walk him in public would be great.
User avatar #162 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
my favorite thing about wolf pups is the masks. i think its adorable. ill have to get pics of his babyness tomorrow. i dont personally have any since i wasnt there for him coming home. he had tiny ears they were so short. i also like how fluffy the inside of their ears are. they are so thick and cute
#163 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Baby Isis; after being brought home from the bad situation she had been in. The only thing she knew in the world was how to be hit with sticks and other objects when she behaved exactly as any scared wolfdog puppy would behave.
User avatar #167 - littleliz (8 hours ago) [-]
i kind of want to puke thinking someone can abuse her. shes way to cute
#164 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
<3
User avatar #166 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
lol he kind of looks like bear. big eyes. but bears ears are floppy on top when hes relaxed. lol i cant believe the size difference. that thing is bear full grown and its only a baby.
bear was officially accepted into the pack the other day. he was learning to like the water but he wouldnt stay in cause he was scared. but we stayed in the water while he played on shore. i wasnt watching him and all of a sudden i hear this howling noise and it was him. hati stops swimming and howls too. so for fun we all howled and it was the best family moment ever. and of course my cameras battery was dead.
User avatar #160 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
at this point taking a walk would be the best. we take him to a dog park but his last experience was pretty traumatic for him so we havent gone back. hes good with dogs so he plays with them but randomly he started freaking out and trying to escape and some women kept yelling right next to him at the dog trying to play with him. we had him on the ground she kept yelling louder and stepping closer. his face was heartbreaking. i actually thought he was going to die from stress overload. then when he got in the car its like nothing happened.
in the bottom picture hes tense because he wants to play lol. and hati is the same he would never bite unless grabbed. he hates being grabbed and gets very vocal with us about it. he used to do the whole squeel cry and threat bite. but hes never actually bitten us. hatis mom isnt very friendly but his dad apparently practically asks you to take him home. thats why he wanted a son of his. but things went wrong and now hatis a nut case lol
User avatar #161 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Did you say she was a pure wolf here in this thread? Because from their website, they seem to say they're about 93% high-content. Which admittedly is close to pure, if it is true - others I've met seem to refer to their animals as lower HC rather than "very high" or "nearly pure", but that is content; not actual percentages, which can be inaccurate at best. I know Dalton is more in the mid to upper mid range though, from the photos I've seen. My personal favorite was Wyatt, even though they inbreed/linebreed him with his close relatives. If it weren't for that, I absolutely would have gotten a pup from him.
User avatar #165 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
i did by mistake i forgot in california its illegal. i thought it was odd that they had one. then i clicked on the picture and corrected myself down below somewhere. wyatt is hatis older brother and dalton is 75% wyatt is 86% like hati. i think dalton and bettsie are the only technical non inbreds. well and virgil and annie but i think he also mates with abigail which i dont like because he should only have one mate. im not sure why they allow annie and wyatt to mate. what i know about annie is that its hatis aunt. and what i can guess is they are trying to stop the fights. when hati was born the only mating pair was dalton and bettsie. virgil turned on dalton awhile back and he got separated into another pen. then bettsie got pregnant with hati and his two brothers. annie got jealous and tried to take the pups and a fight insured and you know what happens when females fight. the pup which was originally ours was killed. he was black. then hati and his brother crawled out of the den all by themselves looking for help. the owners saw them and quickly scooped them up and im sure the other one grew up without bite inhibition as well. so the two pups had their mom for like one day. so they put annie with virgil. annie is daltons sister i think and bettsie is virgils sister. and as they described it they let the wolves do what they do and in the spring annie and bettsie were pregnant. they just accepted it, it seems. theres three packs and they have to all be seperated but obviously theres no reason to breed wyatt with his aunt. wyatt couldve stayed with his mom and dad i bet.
User avatar #168 - Dember (8 hours ago) [-]
That is just sheer irresponsibility at its best. And if Wyatt had been kept with his mother and father, he would have mated with his mother instead, and fought with his father.
No, wolves do NOT necessarily "mate for life", and if a female is in heat, breeding may happen whether it's with the intended male you hope for or not.

It's stupid to leave them all together and just hope for the best; they are in a domestic situation, it will never be "natural" no matter how much leeway you give them, because it is simply NOT natural for a wolf to be in captivity.

You can replicate their environment to their natural habitat all you want, but there is a point of "spoiling" them with a wild lifestyle, and having what is basically a pack of feral dogs that breed, fight and mutilate each other all of their own accord.
Everyone I've met agrees that a wolfdog enclosure with too much space is just as bad as one without enough, unless you want them to be wild animals.
That does not make for a good pet, even by wolfdog standards (which, as we all know, aren't.)

I bet they don't even know the true lines of their animals if they've been doing that all along, because I'll bet you anything there have been plenty of pups sired by other males and they were too oblivious to believe it.

Even Western Sky Wolfdogs separates their animals during breeding season so they don't have any mother/son, father/daughter or brother/sister inbreeding; just the aunt/nephew line breeding pair which is intentional.

Those pups should have been separated from the rest of the pack when the mother was about to give birth, and they should never have been allowed to go borderline wild and feral. It's no wonder they ended up with such disastrous problems like that...

Poor Hati and his little brother; just...poor all of their animals. I am so very glad I decided not to get my pup from them - something just felt "off", even before I found out about the blatant inbreeding. : /
User avatar #170 - Dember (20 minutes ago) [-]
littleliz (reply limit reached)

You have a lot left to learn if you are under the impression that wolfdogs and wolves will not inbreed with each other, because I guarantee you they will. There have been top-name breeders doing it for years - Mace Loftus, Scott Soto, Jeff Begeman, and many others who keep it on the down-low.

The only reason wild wolves typically do not inbreed, is because most packs consist of a dominant male and female who meet and form a pack - and all of their offspring make up the rest of the pack; while only the dominant pair continue to breed. Thus, the siblings seldom get the opportunity - but it doesn't mean they would not, if two siblings were the dominant pair of the pack instead.

And I hate to break it to you - but they let their animals breed, and they sell the puppies. That is the definition of a breeder - if you aren't a breeder, you don't breed. Simple as that. Thinking that a human has a rank of a wolf in a pack of wolves is kind of ridiculous.

Spend some time in the wolfdog community and try spouting these ideas - or get your husband to do it for you. There are people with ten times the experience of "Howling Hills Wolf Ranch" who can tell you that these concepts are ass-backwards inaccurate. I can link you to some groups if you would like.
User avatar #169 - littleliz (8 hours ago) [-]
wolves and dogs wont breed with siblings i cant account for parents since i heard pure breeds are sometimes father daughter. but its like i said before yes they are inbred but in genetic wise its not unsafe. its unsafe if its parent child. but more safe for nephew aunt. trust me they are not the only ones. the place in sac is a rescue breeder but the howling wolf isnt even a breeding place they just sell the puppies since they are going for the most natural. in the wild i believe aunt and nephew are existent. wolves wont screw siblings since its genetically bad so they wont get attracted that way. i cant explain it as well as my husband honestly. he would have to type the explanation. he gets all biological about it. basically i think it works like "no i wont fuck that my offspring will not be productive ok ill fuck that my offspring will be productive" but obviously on a deeper level. i cant account though for their dog side. with their wolf side wyatt wouldnt even be able to get near bettsie.all three are HC so of course dalton will fight. that mightve happened maybe thats why hes separated now. but it wasnt for bettsie it was maybe for dominance. in the wild a father and son will fight and if his son wins his son brings a female. likewise if a female wins she brings a male and the other either fights or steps down. if a sister wins she fucks the mate of her sibling. they are watching them carefully they just must know what my husbands seems to know about the whole thing. and they do want them to be pretty wild. they study them. the humans that own them arnt even the alphas. they arnt even betas. they are the lowest in the pack. the pack knows them as part of the pack so they are allowed inside their area. they would be like a sibling. but they actually will roll over for dalton. which is what a human in that type of environment should do if theres conflict. and they are treated like the lowest im sure. and because of that they are not socialized. except dalton.
#156 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
User avatar #158 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
these two pics kind of look like hati is telling bear a joke and then turning to me and they both laugh
User avatar #152 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
that looks just like him about the same size too. if it werent for hatis messed up eye then i would mistake them.
User avatar #142 - littleliz (13 hours ago) [-]
thats so heart warming that you would do that. its the nicest thing to meet someone like you. i always have to stop my self when i say good things about wolf dogs or post pictures of hati. in my opinion for what he is and for his content hes actually really good. if he wasnt so scared we would be the talk of the town. i would totally show him off. on facebook all my friends want one. i have to tell the bad stories of hati to make them stop so they all think hes a monster. it hurts to talk about him like that but i would hate it more to have idiot friends who want a wolf because they are cool and the dogs end up dead. its seems to go along a lot with anime culture but shit go get a fucking shiba instead. i know someone who thinks hes tough shit so "he can own a wolf" and he thinks they are "dark and mysterious creatures and never turn your back on them" i look down and hati is chewing on his leg. oh yea i totally got a dark scary creature. but yea i just think people should never own one without the proper care or knowledge. and if they want one solely because they think they are cool then clearly they are idiots.
User avatar #144 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
Shiba Inus actually tend to have temperamental personalities; not to mention they are usually at least $1,000 when you can actually find a breeder. If you want a wolf, get a Husky or a Malamute - or better yet, a German Shepherd. The Sable varieties can look very wolf-like, especially with plush coats!

I've actually heard a local breeder (who had just one mid-content litter, alas) say something like "wolfdogs tend to do much better with women, because most men cannot get past the ideals that a wolfdog or wolf is some tough, macho animal that is vicious and impressive to own. Women more commonly see what sensitive creatures they are." And for the record, he is a man himself - but it does seem that the most popular and well-known breeders in the country are in fact women.

Just something I found kind of interesting, because I've never really met many guys who don't envision them as a status symbol, at least in some way. I don't know if you're male or female though it's good you understand your boy and don't have him as nothing more than an ego boost.

A good rule of thumb is - and it goes for huskies and malamutes too - never, ever get one of these animals because they are "cool" or "pretty" or "impressive".
That will wear off VERY fast once you actually have them, and end up dealing with the cons of owning and providing for such a high-maintenance, special needs animal. And it's the animal who will pay for your negligence - sometimes with its life.
User avatar #151 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
my husband got him because hes interested in animal psychology. lol and cause they are cool haha but yea the first reason is his primary reason. though he did admit to me he hopes to one day show him off. but its more showing the world that these animals arnt meant to be feared. he wants to show people how important wolves are and educate them. and he dreamed to bring hati with him. but we try so hard to socialize him and he just is so scared. we go to the dog park as much as we can, we even brought him to school once. didnt let him out of the truck we just wanted him to see people and realize they wont hurt him. though the other day he huffed rather than hid at a person so we think its a good sign. also we were at the lake and he cried and begged to go play with the dog knowing a human was there. that was odd.
i can tell very easily hati tends to cling to me more. but im way more careless and forgiving. so im sure hati knows he can get away with things. but he does wag his tail when i give him hugs and cuddles with me if hes in trouble. im a bad mom once i petted him when he was in trouble with "dad". i didnt know he was in trouble i thought he wanted to cuddle. but i did defend him after i knew. i cant help it hes just so cute! if i ever do become a house wife then while my child is at school i hope to be able to do things to help wolf dogs. i also hope hati is here to see my child. my husband is nervous about that though. he has every right to be but i see much more love in hati. so i dont have anyone who can answer this maybe you can. i bought a pom about 4 months ago. for the first 3 weeks they didnt meet. on the day of their meeting hati sniffed him asked to play was confused when he didnt then got down layed down and looked like he was grooming him? we have no idea if this is bad or good. he was like nibbling on him but like how a dog would scratch itself with its teeth. he does this all the time.
User avatar #153 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
That's called flea biting, or fleaing. It's completely normal, and it is not an aggressive behavior at all. Mothers and older pack mates frequently do it to younger pups; though sometimes it does pinch and the youngsters may not especially appreciate it, haha. My husky used to do it to my kitty back before he passed away. Sadly, he is afraid of all of our other cats; sometimes they even chase him - this was the only one he ever really bonded with.
Nova & Toffles
#113 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Isis is unique because she and her brother were from born from a true HC arctic father, from USA Wolves; her upper-mid mother from Wolfzone1 was arctic with some gray wolf in her which is where they inherited the black color. Even among other HC black phase wolfdogs, they have a very different (but no less wolfy) look.
#114 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
#102 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
This is her sister, lower-HC arctic wolfdog. She is coming out of a lot of the fearful behavior all on her own; she approaches people now and loves to be gently touched and petted.
#103 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
I was scratching her neck in this photo and stopped to take the picture. If I ignore her while I'm taking pictures of the others, she bites my hair and tries to pull it. : P
#104 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
This is another HC Arctic from a different breeder; from Lorraine Smith of Winddancer.

This picture was taken on the same day as the others, but this one's summer coat is remarkably different from Isis and her sister.
#105 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Handsome boy Cove, the father-to-be of my future pup ~
#111 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Another photo of Cove, taken a few months ago - he was blowing his winter coat at the time and getting ready for summer.
#106 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Cove's daughter Lulu. Her mother was a black shepherd wolfdog, surprisingly enough!
#107 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Eros, and upper mid content wolfdog pup at five months old, with ancestors from the same breeder of Isis and Peaches - Wolfzone 1
#109 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
His sister, Aniia; mid-content white shepherd and timber wolf. I would LOVE a pup from this girl someday.
#110 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Aniia again ~ She gets a much "Wolfier" look in her winter coat when her fur is less smooth and sleek. c:
User avatar #123 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
actually i take that back i think i favor aniia over isis. aniias eyes are like unreal. they look straight out of a drawing or book. if her coat was just slightly longer i think i would get up and beg them to sell her to me right now
User avatar #128 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
And for the record, I would pay out the nose for a pup from Aniia and Hati - they really do complement one another very well if you ask me.

A little girl from them would be THE perfect pair for my future Isis x Cove pup, haha. : P
#127 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
Well like I said, that's her summer coat. This is Aniia in winter. c:

I believe they plan to breed her with Cove in 2015, once she is mature enough.
#155 - littleliz (11 hours ago) [-]
#154 - littleliz (11 hours ago) [-]
oh i have a ton of pictures but i need to shrink them down. im a photographer hobbiest so i always take pictures lol. thats actually sort of how i got into wolves. its not wolves i like its nature so they just go along in that category. and hati is the greatest picture opportunity ever. this winter hopefully it will snow (we all know we need the water) and im going to attempt to get collarless pictures of him. i failed last year. butthead wouldnt let me touch him he kept trying to play with me. my pom fearlessly sticks his head in the bowl and hati gave me this super depressed like wtf is this nonsense look tucked his tail in a little and walked away. i laughed so hard and showed him its ok and its his food. i pushed bear away so hati could eat and in response he started dropping food on the ground so bear could eat some. camera was dead at the time.
also about your friend. i really like pits but they can be so aggressive and to be honest and i know it sounds mean but they should all be fixed. they just usually arnt in the proper hands. so i actually asked my husband why he didnt want to breed hati and he said "there is enough wolf dogs in the pounds and dead already i dont want to contribute to that". hes right though. were just definitely not breeders. he thinks this of any dog though
so this is zeus and hati. hati was raised with zeus. zeus was already 1 years old and quickly put him in his place. our pack structure works like this. me and my husband are the alphas of course zeus is the beta hati is now a second beta due to bears presence but we deemed him as "the omega" as a joke and now hes promoted to beta.
User avatar #149 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
hahaha no sorry i missed a comma. i own a Pomeranian. its hatis "little brother" and zeus is a great Pyrenees. next to wolf dogs huskies and malamutes the pyrenees make pretty good play mates since they are not only big but built for wolf attacks. thick necks with thick fur and strong build. hati just jumps all over him and he just doesnt care. unfortunately zeus is huge so hes not that active. but when they do play its actually scary lol.
given our small fence size its just another reason to try and eliminate all reasons to escape. the lean in helps a lot its about a foot in and so to climb out he has to be an amazing climber. hati actually LOVES his enclosure. he hates being in the house. the other day my husband went on a hike through yosemite leaving us all alone. i noticed flys got to hatis ears on the outside so i brought him down to clean him. he went into our front yard with the pomeranian to play. (bear is like 6 months old and so small lol its funny to watch them) i fed him and found out hati is not food aggressive to other dogs and totally gave bear some food. cutest shit ever! but we had a great day we played in the water he cuddled with me on the door step he came inside took a nap played some more then, hopped the fence. i immediatly started crying. my dumbass took off his collar for cleaning! and no scarf either. we put it on so people can tell hes a pet. im having a panic attack hes in the front yard. i try and coax him with food but he just ate. so i go inside and he runs away. i pull out his food bucket because i know he will get hungry eventually hopefully and come back. i open the door and there he is crying at me cause he saw a human and came back. he ran off into the woods again and i walked calmly up to his enclosure put the bucket full of food, bones, BARF patties and everything he likes. he walks up behind me wags his tail and goes into the enclosure and lays down. worst day ever.
User avatar #150 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
Rub some vaseline on the tips of his ears every day; it prevents fly bites. You can also try Vicks vapor rub gel if you find the other dogs are licking the petroleum jelly off; it has a stronger odor and should deter them from it. Helpful tip from the wolfdog breeder at Rare Breed Exotics. : P

You need to take more pictures; Hati playing with a great pyrenees sounds almost as interesting to see as him playing and eating with a pom, haha. <3
User avatar #143 - littleliz (13 hours ago) [-]
sorry replying to comment # 138 here.
we werent afraid of winter wolf syndrome. its the desire to mate is so strong it can stress him out. and he can hurt himself so badly if he smells an un neutered female. he would try and run away more or get out more. i believe its very possible to get out of his enclosure but he would have to want to so bad. its 40' by 40' 8' tall and 3' deep. plus on the ground around the edges is horse fencing so he cant dig near the ends and lean ins on top so he cant climb out. we just wanted to eliminate most reasons for him to want to get out. but this wasnt because hes a wolf we did that for all our males. our pom wolfdog and um wow i forgot what zeus is. lol starts with a P and hes huge. but yea any male if not breeding fairly frequently should be neutered to reduce stress on them. like my parents are going through hell with their lab. and my parents would make you cringe if you met them and watched how they train their dog.
User avatar #146 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
Oh wow, that's definitely not very tall for a HC at all - all of the ones at Rare Breed Exotics can jump nine foot fences; even the three-legged rescue! They do 12 to 16 foot fencing at the very least; and miss Isis has still managed to scale it - she can literally walk up corners and hop right over the top with the grace of a dancer. My own enclosure has very tall sides with double-sided fencing, and a normal 6' fenced yard around it.

... Did you really just say "pom wolfdog" or did you miss a comma there??

I know what you mean about unaltered male problems. Some are worse than others; I live with an intact male with no problems, and my own husky was intact for 4 years - no stress, no change in behavior either.

However, my friend who used to bring her husky over for regular doggy play-dates is no longer welcome until she finally gets her obnoxious pit bull fixed, because he just obsessively mounts my dogs (even though they are not in heat of course) and then gets aggressive when they growl or snap at him to make him stop.
He comes from two nasty-tempered parents from one of the worst, most abusive, neglectful, heartless "breeders" I have ever known of, and it definitely shows in his temperament.
Shame; I love pits and they usually make very good companions for huskies and wolfdogs because of how sturdy and silly they are.
User avatar #132 - littleliz (14 hours ago) [-]
i stupidly didnt even read your description on aniia i was staring at her and everything else just went away. hati took two years to mature of course thats another sign of his wolfness. i wish he wasnt fixed but of course an unfixed male wolf is so much more work. he wouldnt breed like these guys get to and it would stress him out so bad. i wish he could breed i think a combination of the two would be fun. also i think hati possesses the gene for a black wolf coat so i think that would be interesting to see how they turned out
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#138 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
Your boy really isn't a wolf, though; he still has plenty of dog traits.

It's not even certain he would have experienced "winter wolf syndrome", and it is a myth that all HC males do. For instance, Cove does not - he is 70% upper-mid.

The true HC Arctic who sired Isis, Peaches and Olmec - he does not go seasonally infertile; they were actually born a bit out of season, in early July rather than March to May.
If his testes shriveled up outside of breeding season, he would not have been able to sire a litter that late; many people did not believe they were really his, back when the pups were too young to resemble him.

I agree that neutering does help curb or eliminate many unwanted behaviors though it's kind of a shame he is one of very, very few true wolfdogs with significant content in him and he was sterilized so they will be even more rare here. : P
User avatar #27 - littleliz (19 hours ago) [-]
well he loves us very much but hes got to much energy and is to scared of humans to take for a walk. he only cuddles at night. besides that he wants nothing to do with us. i really doubt you had a wolf. mines a hybrid and you cant tell but hes part malamute. usually wolves are brown and black. or black but that has dog in it too somewhere down the line
#29 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
I got Tsume at 5 and a half weeks, so from the litter I kept him around constant socialization bc I was scared he wouldn't like people. He had gold eyes and trust me, he was. But you might be right, he may have had some dog in him. I wish I had a picture I would upload it. I only have one and I took it with a camera not like a phone where I can put it online. How old is yours?
User avatar #34 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
oh and his brother is wyatt they look really similar. they are only half brothers though. the only difference between them is hati has shorter fur than wyatt
User avatar #33 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
he has to in order to be majorly grey. you know people lie all the time about selling wolfdogs so they sell more. ive met so many "Wolf dogs" and they were just german shepherds or huskys or malamutes. mines two. he loved people but one day we took him to his godfathers house and a friend knocked over a box in the garage causing mass amounts of boxes to fall with it and the noise was so loud he got so scared and ever since then hes been scared of anyone new. this is his family. his dad is dalton and his mom is either betsy or annie. i forget.
www.howlinghillswolfranch.com/Webpage-3-.html
#37 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
This was Tsume
#72 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
This is a real wolf. Can you spot some of the differences?

First off, notice the eyes. They are bright yellow - not just light brown like a dog's, but very vibrant, with jet black eyeliner. The eyes are angular and slanted.

The markings are smooth and well blended - the face is not pure white; the back is not dark colored and distinguishable from the rest of the color like one big black, brown or gray spot or "Saddle". That is a German Shepherd trait.

The ears are not high on the head or close together. They are not pointed or triangular, they are rounded. They are thick, like shoe leather, and have a lot of fur inside - you do not see skin inside of them.

The tail is black tipped; the chest is narrow, the legs are long. Even the posture is different - wolves typically walk with their heads level with their spine.

I can guarantee you, your dog was not a wolf. It did not even have wolf in it. It was in fact, a "wolfy" looking dog. I've seen a hundred husky/shepherd mixes who look just like it.

And it was a MUCH better pet because of that. If he was a real wolf, you would have been beyond in over your head and your "pet wolf" would have gotten loose and died. Wolves do not make good dogs.
#68 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
You had a Siberian Husky mix. Here is one who looked just like yours. She is a Siberian Husky mixed with German Shepherd - very little to no wolf at all.
#69 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Same animal; still not a wolf.
#40 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
yea it has to have dog in it. a 100% wolf is so very hard to find. hatis mom is 100% but i dont know where they got her. and you definetly know you have a wolfdog when all it does is want to chew on things move things around. my dog doesnt bark, chews up things, has a 40 foot by 40 foot enclosure which is only 5 feet over the minimum legal limit in california. hes so different than any dog ive ever had. if your wolf is calm lazy cuddly then you probably have a mix to not a wolf at all. its very rare for a wolf to be well behaved. mine is 86% so hes high content and high maintenance i had to read so many books on him before even meeting him.
this isnt the pic i wanted to use but apparently all my other ones are to big
#44 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
yeah Tsume I had him in that runner when we weren't outside, but we let him run when we were there out in the woods. He was a sweetie, but didn't really chew or bark. Actually, I don't remember hearing him bark at all... (he might have when I wasn't there but idk). He did howl unlike my other doggies. He listened to me over my dad which at the time was unheard of for our dogs (he was alpha, then me, then my mom) but not for Tsume. I was alpha to him. Incredibly smart. OMG YOUR WOLF IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't have been full. But I do know that his mom and dad and grandparents were in this HUGE enclosure (Ohio) and they had the pups out in their barn. I wish I had a better pic than that but if you saw his eyes, they were the same as yours. I just girled him up a lot and gave him a pink collar and stuff lol
#93 - anonymous (16 hours ago) [-]
thank you he would be prettier if it wasnt for his eye. and sorry im wrong his mom is only 96-97% its near impossible to get a 100% in california and illegal in most states. my friend had one that was registered at 99.9% which is legal but he was 100%. his family lived in alaska and a sheep farmer killed them all and grabbed the babies in revenge and my friends grandfather saw the pup tied to the stump and hopped the fence grabbed it and ran. he then gave it to his granddaughters who had hell raising him but he was such a good boy in the end. lol after he was like 13 and to old to do anything. so where did you get tsume and my husband looked and he said if it is a wolfdog its likely to be about 50 to maybe 60% given the description of its behavior
User avatar #94 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
sorry funnyjunk logged me out for some reason and i didnt notice
#73 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Huskies and Malamutes, and mixes of each, often do not bark much or at all. They can ALL howl, and they have beautiful voices. Here is my Siberian Husky doing the same.
#41 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
#35 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
ok i have the picture. I am on my boyfriend's account. If I take a picture on my phone of the pic, and send it to fb, can I save it, and upload it here? Hold on
User avatar #36 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
you can save it from fb and put it here yes
#17 - i owned a wolf, actually it is a wolf pup, and you can own wol…  [+] (92 new replies) 19 hours ago on Fearsome little wolf -5
#61 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
No, you owned a dog - you are not capable of telling a wolf apart from a dog. The puppy in this photo is a Siberian Husky. Wolves do not have blue eyes, nor do they have white markings on their faces or white-tipped tails.

Please do not lie and claim wolves OR wolfdogs are easy to own; they require a professionally made enclosure for containment because they can scale nine (or sometimes twelve) foot fences, and dig out in a matter of minutes. They also need a raw meat diet every day. They are typically shy, fearful and nothing like a dog.

Even if you have a dog who happens to climb fences, dig, likes to eat meat and is shy or skittish, that does not make your dog a wolf. Nor does being fluffy with erect ears and a bushy tail.

Source: Working with true wolfdogs and wolves in rescues and breeders; as well as many, MANY misrepresented huskies, malamutes, german shepherds and mixes of any or all who were claimed to be part wolf or pure wolf.
User avatar #23 - fables (19 hours ago) [-]
you can't own pure wolves easily
you can own hybrids.
as in, mixed with some other dog. such as a husky. which is what we see in the content.
#58 - infinitereaper (17 hours ago) [-]
I've heard that selective breeding experiments on different wild animals (like foxes) produced tame offspring friendly to humans quite quickly only requiring a few generations.

So the idea of a pure wolf friendly enough to role with you ain't so crazy. It's just a gamble. The question is: you feeling lucky?
User avatar #71 - fables (17 hours ago) [-]
I'm not saying they wouldn't be friendly, but they do retain their instincts

so unless you live on some extensive (fenced) acreage, a wolf or even wolf hybrid is a bad choice for you
and I also mean that pure wolves are illegal without a permit
even here in cali hybrids up to a certain generation are illegal
User avatar #75 - infinitereaper (16 hours ago) [-]
Yeah but you'll never be quite as badass with a domesticated animal as you would with oh say a tiger like some monks do over in tibet (or some place).

User avatar #77 - fables (16 hours ago) [-]
fuck you, my hamster's cool as shit
User avatar #78 - infinitereaper (16 hours ago) [-]
Ha ha ha ha I have a kitty who thinks she's a tiger.
She would probably eat your hamster.
User avatar #80 - fables (16 hours ago) [-]
I don't really have a hamster, but I'm sure it'd be too ferocious for your cat
I do, however, have a dog that would run from your cat lol.
User avatar #84 - infinitereaper (16 hours ago) [-]
my cat used to be afraid of hands in the shape of a flapping bird but she's used to it now
she hates strangers though, poor thing looks terrified every time someone she doesn't know comes to visit, too cute
ur dog sounds like a pussy lmao, eh mine can be a total bitch but she's also a huge scaredy cat
#118 - saladtongsofdeath (15 hours ago) [-]
my dog is very gentle with animals (his playmates are conures and chinchillas) but cats? i have a feeling if he gets a hold of one he would rip it in half.... he had a bad experience with a cat when he was a puppy, once in a petshop... owner said that the cat is dog friendly and my 2 month old puppy almost lost an eye
#63 - landcucumber (17 hours ago) [-]
Yep, they are called dogs. As you domesticate animals they often change appearance, even if only selecting for friendliest animal alone. So, a domesticated wolf would look more like a average dog than a wolf. Cause you know, dogs are domesticated wolfs.
User avatar #28 - hydraetis (18 hours ago) [-]
Yea I thought that looked more like a husky pup than a wolf.
User avatar #22 - littleliz (19 hours ago) [-]
what kind of wolf did you own? mine destructive hyper testy and hates to cuddle. and mine was brown like all the wolf pups ive ever seen
#26 - jtistillam (19 hours ago) [-]
He looked a lot like the one in the pic. he had a multi-colored back, then all white except his back. I got him in Ohio. I saw his parents and grandparents, and there wasn't a trace of dog that I could see. I lived in the country at the time and he was super cuddly to me. What I would recommend is to take him and socialize him as much as possible. I took Tsume out to the park almost every day and let everyone pet him that saw him. He didn't exactly love men but never bit anyone. He only growled at me once and I fixed that by showing dominance. Just be super loving to your wolf and the more time you spend with him, the better he will be around you and others. Just make sure you read up on them, bc you are his pack!
#64 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
"there wasn't a trace of dog that I could see."

Exactly - the vast, VAST majority of people cannot tell a wolf from a "wolf-like" pure dog. Wolves are not cuddly - most wolfdogs aren't either. You can't make them behave by "showing them dominance" or "being the alpha" - they are closely related to wild animals, and they act like them in most regards.

You are giving advice to someone who DOES have a true high-content wolfdog - I know for a fact littleliz does have a legitimate animal. I also know the breeder who produced that animal.

In my opinion, they are not good breeders - but they do have true wolfdogs. If yours had any wolf in it, it was very little to none.
User avatar #95 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
its nice to see you again by the way did you get the dog you wanted?
#96 - Dember (16 hours ago) [-]
Not yet, but we're hoping for a spring litter! I have been spending more time with his future parents, though, and the rest of their pack. Mind if I dump some photos of them? This is the mother-to-be. c:
User avatar #98 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
dump away. i love photos of wolfdogs. my god shes gorgeous. i love her color and that thick kneck fur. i like how she stands so proud looking.
#101 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Believe it or not, that is her summer coat! She and her sister both keep a very thick, plush coat all year long.
Many true HCs do lose most of their fur and look terrible, like drowned rats with wolfy faces. She is never not beautiful.

She is extremely shy and skittish, even by true high-content wolfdog standards; she and her sister are from good lines, but they fell into the hands of cruel people who beat them with sticks when they "weren't being good dogs".

The man who took them in is a great guy, but she is still very timid with men in general as a result of the abuse she suffered as a puppy.
So far, I'm the only one who has been able to hand-feed her. <3
User avatar #108 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
<3 those eyes!!!!!!! i love the copper eyes on a black wolf. i have a picture of one right now on my wall. and actually if you didnt tell me i would assume it was her winter coat.
most people just dont understand what a wolf is. they are way more than a pretty face. and so much more than a normal dog. my husband wanted a black coated wolf but that just wasnt available. and in all honesty i think i prefer the full natural look. people think that black wolves are dogs and they are half right so i just dont like the oh that thing is clearly part dog its not interesting, comments. black coated wolves got their coats from dogs they are the only species to get a color change like that. they went from wolf to black dog back to wolf and turned black. sorry if you know this i just found this out yesterday and i thought it was cool lol
#116 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
My pup actually might even be born blue. The father carries the gene for it; his mother was a rare Blue, and many of his siblings have been as well.

Blue is a diluted form of Black, so being bred to a black phase could potentially throw blue pups also. This was his mother, bred by Southern Breeze.
User avatar #117 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
what i like about blue animals is there fur always seems so thick and even it looks sooo soft!
#119 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Blue wolfdogs phase too, actually - just like real black phases do. This is the same animal; showing how it really is just a lighter version of the color.
User avatar #122 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
so where is the place you go to again? you make me want to take a trip just to go see these beautiful animals
User avatar #130 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
Sitka (the blue female), her mate Sagaya, and two of their pups (McKinnley and Nala) are owned by Western Sky Wolfdogs.

I would not recommend them. They line-breed their animals; that is why I only want a pup from Cove, who will not be bred with another relative.
His mother and father are aunt and nephew, in order to produce the rare blue coloration.


Olmec (the solid black one) and his sister, as well as their parents (the same parents of Isis and Peaches) is owned by a private breeder who does not produce litters anymore.
The HC Arctics I posted are owned by USA Wolves, in Texas.
Some of the others from their lines (and Aniia and Eros as well) are from Wolfzone1.

As for all of my own photographs below; of Isis, Peaches, Kahleesi, Cove, Lulu, Eros and Aniia, belong to Rare Breed Exotics.

They typically do not allow strangers to visit their home, because they have had problems with people stealing animals and vandalizing property before.
If you were seriously interested, I could definitely put you in contact with them though. They have a website and a facebook group as well.

I don't believe I've ever asked; you don't seem to breed, yourself, but did you ever have Hati neutered?
User avatar #133 - littleliz (14 hours ago) [-]
oh i dont want another lol. hati himself is such a handful. i really love this breed i truly do but hati is the last of our wolf dog days. the reality of these animals is they are not only time consuming but they inhibit you from so much. going on vacation is near impossible. moving is far out of the question. and my husband wants to be a doctor so the city is where we will eventually move to. i honestly dread the day i have to move back to the city but my husband is so passionate about this i cant say no. so unfortunately hati is our last wolf dog. thankfully hes only two. so i have time still to be with him. but that also means im not able to go to the city when my husband goes off to stanford. but honestly i would do almost anything for hati and bear. also after hati passes our plans are for a fox so theres that to look forward to. for now i have to simply fawn over pictures of what could be lol. i just never met another wolf dog before. im so interested in seeing another. i wish hati one day could meet one and finally get a worthy play mate besides his "little brother" and "uncle".
and those poor people. thats just so rude that people do stuff like that! those poor animals i bet they ended up dead because of ignorant people.
#139 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
You realize wolfdogs can live perfectly happy lives in towns and cities, right? It does depend on the size of your property, but as long as you have the funds to put up the proper enclosures AND you live in and area where the howling isn't a huge problem, they don't know any different.

Rare Breed Exotics is in the Sacramento area, in a normal neighborhood in town.
As you can see, the containment setup is just as secure as it would be if it were out in the country or anywhere else.

We are in the suburbs of a small town in the Sac area also. We won't be moving; our own enclosure is already in progress and close to being finished as well.
User avatar #147 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
oh yea he howls. i swear one time i went to the local mini store and i can hear him its 3 miles away. im standing in the parking lot listening and the men are all. oh dang there is a ciyote! i giggled. they are pretty redkneck. i know they fit in fine but my husband is looking for more apartment or condo type things. things without back yards. hati can move cause its not like we let him walk around the property but i just dont think he would be as happy. he stays with his best friend named aris a female husky who wouldve made a good breeding partner i think. he just doesnt seem as happy. he doesnt seem to like the noise. thats in the bay area so shes also sort of far to be breeding buddies. driving 3 hours just isnt as appealing to me lol plus aris has a pretty big pack as it is. shes pretty though. ive never met a pure bread husky before. she is so small! shes like a small lab or a tall beagle lol. it was quite a shock. plus shes so vocal.
#148 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
I have a midget dog; LC husky mix. My others are 55, 65, and 90 pounds. This one is 35 pounds. Here she is next to my little 8 pound Pomeranian - not an enormous size difference; not like you would expect. We plan to continue her line with her next year, but it's going to be interesting finding a male who isn't obnoxiously large in comparison to her. Ironically, ALL of her siblings range from 60 to 90 pounds. She was not the runt at all; we had no runts in her litter, and she was one of the largest females born, but all of the others outgrew her by half a year old. I'm really not sure how much bigger she will get.
#112 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Her brother is almost pure black, actually - it's very uncommon for higher content wolfdogs to hold that color; most phase out to silver as they age. He is an upper-mid to lower-HC - Isis inherited more wolf traits.

And you're sort of right. The black phase color in "pure" wolves does come from cross-breeding with domestic dogs, hundreds or even thousands of generations ago - but it does not mean they are not every bit as much wolf as any other color of wolf ("99.9%"?). Being born black does not make them less wolf at all.
User avatar #121 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
oh i know that but you know how it is other people just dont understand. the black wolf is an official wolf no matter what people say. i think isis and eros are my favorite. eros has the most gorgeous coat out of any wolf with those colors. and i favor the artics. their fluffyness is so adorable.
so on a more personal note do you ever get called weird or made fun of for wanting a wolfdog? i get the whole "oh you only got it because you wanted to look cool" or "you must be a furry" "you must be really into anime hati sounds japanese" even though hati is nordic (i think) hes like lokis grandson or something like that.
i didnt choose my dog he was 6 months old when i met him but i still get nasty comments. i wouldve chose him if my husband was still in the buying process when we met. i just personally like more different pets. not usual ones.
User avatar #134 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
To give you a good idea of what he'll look like as an adult, here is Eros' older brother, who won a couple of prizes in a little "wolfdog show" for obedience and most wolf-like appearance. c:

And you get those comments everywhere, both online and in person - even when you just have a husky, malamute or wolfy-looking mix.
Yes, Hati is the son of Fenrir, whose father was Loki.

I have many reasons for admiring and wishing to share my life with exotic companion animals, such as wolfdogs, savannah cats and such. None of which are the business of random passerbys or haters who are going to judge you no matter what you say, typically with the "wolfs b-long in da wilds" PETA mentality.

People who know even the most basic facts about wolfdogs know very well that no wolfdog raised in captivity, no matter how much wolf content it has in it, is capable of surviving in the wild.

There have been reintroduction programs to restore wolf populations, using semi-tame wolves (or perhaps even high-content wolfdogs) - and it was in fact successful.
But it was not easy, and not without setbacks...sometimes heartbreaking ones. No typical wolfdog or "pet wolf" would ever make it, so being "set free" would just be a long, slow death sentence.

No, true wolfdogs do not make "good dogs" - if I wanted a wonderful dog with a convincingly wolfy look, I would get a Tamaskan or even a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog; they are both excellent alternatives.

I plan to use my true HC wolfdog for educational work, to teach others about wolfdogs and wolves, and help eliminate myths and misconceptions about them. As someone who has worked with rescue centers and the ambassador wolfdogs, that is what I aspire to do.
#145 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
I forgot the picture of his brother! Here it is; littleliz
#157 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
this is my personal favorite. they both look so happy. we were renewing hatis rabies shot and with his fear issues we brought bear for moral support. the vet is so supportive with us. i adore him. he totally respects our space and helps us escort hati inside through the back. you can imagine how much people want to touch him. bear was adorable that day he saw how scared hati was and kissed his nose.our vet is an exotic animal vet and hati seems to feel ok around him. hes obviously scared but once in the office he lays down and just looks like hes given up. i always joke and say hes accepted his death he gave up. the vet is more than able to give him shots touch him touch his teeth. its nice. he knows a lot about him and he even gets down and sits on he ground.
#159 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Aww, that is definitely a cute moment you captured. <3 Hati looks tense, but not all-out terrified; at least not in these photos alone. The high-contents at RBE just pace and move around constantly, hyper-alert to their surroundings whenever humans are in the area at all.

The two rescue girls are skittish, with Isis being shy and timid; Peaches will warm up quickly but Isis is curious yet keeps her distance at all times - she experimentally licked my hand one time before darting off and resuming her pacing, and that is as much physical contact as I've ever actually had with her, even if she does like to get right up close and personal and sometimes just sit and watch me, or look around and pose pretty for pictures.

Kahleesi on the other hand is not fearful at all - rather she is completely indifferent about people, and is aloof to the point that she does not care to interact.

None of them are the least bit aggressive; you would have to corner them and grab hold of them to risk a fear-bite, and even then you can actually pick them up and carry them without them freaking out or anything. They're not that big or heavy.

Cove on the other hand, he has the social skills of a big lovable husky and is just as sweet and friendly as any of mine. Trots right up and begs for love and attention, loves to be touched and scratched and rolling around on my lap. That more than anything is why I want a pup from him - he has the perfect, ideal ambassador temperament.

As a rescue himself (again, comes from great lines but wound up in an inadequate home) he was not socialized with small animals or children when he was young, which inhibits him from being one himself.

A shame, because he would make a great one. I can only hope any pup of his, with lots of socialization from the very start, would be a perfect opportunity to engage in educational work with.

Schools and other similar events would be my major goal, but even just being able to walk him in public would be great.
User avatar #162 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
my favorite thing about wolf pups is the masks. i think its adorable. ill have to get pics of his babyness tomorrow. i dont personally have any since i wasnt there for him coming home. he had tiny ears they were so short. i also like how fluffy the inside of their ears are. they are so thick and cute
#163 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Baby Isis; after being brought home from the bad situation she had been in. The only thing she knew in the world was how to be hit with sticks and other objects when she behaved exactly as any scared wolfdog puppy would behave.
User avatar #167 - littleliz (8 hours ago) [-]
i kind of want to puke thinking someone can abuse her. shes way to cute
#164 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
<3
User avatar #166 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
lol he kind of looks like bear. big eyes. but bears ears are floppy on top when hes relaxed. lol i cant believe the size difference. that thing is bear full grown and its only a baby.
bear was officially accepted into the pack the other day. he was learning to like the water but he wouldnt stay in cause he was scared. but we stayed in the water while he played on shore. i wasnt watching him and all of a sudden i hear this howling noise and it was him. hati stops swimming and howls too. so for fun we all howled and it was the best family moment ever. and of course my cameras battery was dead.
User avatar #160 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
at this point taking a walk would be the best. we take him to a dog park but his last experience was pretty traumatic for him so we havent gone back. hes good with dogs so he plays with them but randomly he started freaking out and trying to escape and some women kept yelling right next to him at the dog trying to play with him. we had him on the ground she kept yelling louder and stepping closer. his face was heartbreaking. i actually thought he was going to die from stress overload. then when he got in the car its like nothing happened.
in the bottom picture hes tense because he wants to play lol. and hati is the same he would never bite unless grabbed. he hates being grabbed and gets very vocal with us about it. he used to do the whole squeel cry and threat bite. but hes never actually bitten us. hatis mom isnt very friendly but his dad apparently practically asks you to take him home. thats why he wanted a son of his. but things went wrong and now hatis a nut case lol
User avatar #161 - Dember (9 hours ago) [-]
Did you say she was a pure wolf here in this thread? Because from their website, they seem to say they're about 93% high-content. Which admittedly is close to pure, if it is true - others I've met seem to refer to their animals as lower HC rather than "very high" or "nearly pure", but that is content; not actual percentages, which can be inaccurate at best. I know Dalton is more in the mid to upper mid range though, from the photos I've seen. My personal favorite was Wyatt, even though they inbreed/linebreed him with his close relatives. If it weren't for that, I absolutely would have gotten a pup from him.
User avatar #165 - littleliz (9 hours ago) [-]
i did by mistake i forgot in california its illegal. i thought it was odd that they had one. then i clicked on the picture and corrected myself down below somewhere. wyatt is hatis older brother and dalton is 75% wyatt is 86% like hati. i think dalton and bettsie are the only technical non inbreds. well and virgil and annie but i think he also mates with abigail which i dont like because he should only have one mate. im not sure why they allow annie and wyatt to mate. what i know about annie is that its hatis aunt. and what i can guess is they are trying to stop the fights. when hati was born the only mating pair was dalton and bettsie. virgil turned on dalton awhile back and he got separated into another pen. then bettsie got pregnant with hati and his two brothers. annie got jealous and tried to take the pups and a fight insured and you know what happens when females fight. the pup which was originally ours was killed. he was black. then hati and his brother crawled out of the den all by themselves looking for help. the owners saw them and quickly scooped them up and im sure the other one grew up without bite inhibition as well. so the two pups had their mom for like one day. so they put annie with virgil. annie is daltons sister i think and bettsie is virgils sister. and as they described it they let the wolves do what they do and in the spring annie and bettsie were pregnant. they just accepted it, it seems. theres three packs and they have to all be seperated but obviously theres no reason to breed wyatt with his aunt. wyatt couldve stayed with his mom and dad i bet.
User avatar #168 - Dember (8 hours ago) [-]
That is just sheer irresponsibility at its best. And if Wyatt had been kept with his mother and father, he would have mated with his mother instead, and fought with his father.
No, wolves do NOT necessarily "mate for life", and if a female is in heat, breeding may happen whether it's with the intended male you hope for or not.

It's stupid to leave them all together and just hope for the best; they are in a domestic situation, it will never be "natural" no matter how much leeway you give them, because it is simply NOT natural for a wolf to be in captivity.

You can replicate their environment to their natural habitat all you want, but there is a point of "spoiling" them with a wild lifestyle, and having what is basically a pack of feral dogs that breed, fight and mutilate each other all of their own accord.
Everyone I've met agrees that a wolfdog enclosure with too much space is just as bad as one without enough, unless you want them to be wild animals.
That does not make for a good pet, even by wolfdog standards (which, as we all know, aren't.)

I bet they don't even know the true lines of their animals if they've been doing that all along, because I'll bet you anything there have been plenty of pups sired by other males and they were too oblivious to believe it.

Even Western Sky Wolfdogs separates their animals during breeding season so they don't have any mother/son, father/daughter or brother/sister inbreeding; just the aunt/nephew line breeding pair which is intentional.

Those pups should have been separated from the rest of the pack when the mother was about to give birth, and they should never have been allowed to go borderline wild and feral. It's no wonder they ended up with such disastrous problems like that...

Poor Hati and his little brother; just...poor all of their animals. I am so very glad I decided not to get my pup from them - something just felt "off", even before I found out about the blatant inbreeding. : /
User avatar #170 - Dember (20 minutes ago) [-]
littleliz (reply limit reached)

You have a lot left to learn if you are under the impression that wolfdogs and wolves will not inbreed with each other, because I guarantee you they will. There have been top-name breeders doing it for years - Mace Loftus, Scott Soto, Jeff Begeman, and many others who keep it on the down-low.

The only reason wild wolves typically do not inbreed, is because most packs consist of a dominant male and female who meet and form a pack - and all of their offspring make up the rest of the pack; while only the dominant pair continue to breed. Thus, the siblings seldom get the opportunity - but it doesn't mean they would not, if two siblings were the dominant pair of the pack instead.

And I hate to break it to you - but they let their animals breed, and they sell the puppies. That is the definition of a breeder - if you aren't a breeder, you don't breed. Simple as that. Thinking that a human has a rank of a wolf in a pack of wolves is kind of ridiculous.

Spend some time in the wolfdog community and try spouting these ideas - or get your husband to do it for you. There are people with ten times the experience of "Howling Hills Wolf Ranch" who can tell you that these concepts are ass-backwards inaccurate. I can link you to some groups if you would like.
User avatar #169 - littleliz (8 hours ago) [-]
wolves and dogs wont breed with siblings i cant account for parents since i heard pure breeds are sometimes father daughter. but its like i said before yes they are inbred but in genetic wise its not unsafe. its unsafe if its parent child. but more safe for nephew aunt. trust me they are not the only ones. the place in sac is a rescue breeder but the howling wolf isnt even a breeding place they just sell the puppies since they are going for the most natural. in the wild i believe aunt and nephew are existent. wolves wont screw siblings since its genetically bad so they wont get attracted that way. i cant explain it as well as my husband honestly. he would have to type the explanation. he gets all biological about it. basically i think it works like "no i wont fuck that my offspring will not be productive ok ill fuck that my offspring will be productive" but obviously on a deeper level. i cant account though for their dog side. with their wolf side wyatt wouldnt even be able to get near bettsie.all three are HC so of course dalton will fight. that mightve happened maybe thats why hes separated now. but it wasnt for bettsie it was maybe for dominance. in the wild a father and son will fight and if his son wins his son brings a female. likewise if a female wins she brings a male and the other either fights or steps down. if a sister wins she fucks the mate of her sibling. they are watching them carefully they just must know what my husbands seems to know about the whole thing. and they do want them to be pretty wild. they study them. the humans that own them arnt even the alphas. they arnt even betas. they are the lowest in the pack. the pack knows them as part of the pack so they are allowed inside their area. they would be like a sibling. but they actually will roll over for dalton. which is what a human in that type of environment should do if theres conflict. and they are treated like the lowest im sure. and because of that they are not socialized. except dalton.
#156 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
User avatar #158 - littleliz (10 hours ago) [-]
these two pics kind of look like hati is telling bear a joke and then turning to me and they both laugh
User avatar #152 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
that looks just like him about the same size too. if it werent for hatis messed up eye then i would mistake them.
User avatar #142 - littleliz (13 hours ago) [-]
thats so heart warming that you would do that. its the nicest thing to meet someone like you. i always have to stop my self when i say good things about wolf dogs or post pictures of hati. in my opinion for what he is and for his content hes actually really good. if he wasnt so scared we would be the talk of the town. i would totally show him off. on facebook all my friends want one. i have to tell the bad stories of hati to make them stop so they all think hes a monster. it hurts to talk about him like that but i would hate it more to have idiot friends who want a wolf because they are cool and the dogs end up dead. its seems to go along a lot with anime culture but shit go get a fucking shiba instead. i know someone who thinks hes tough shit so "he can own a wolf" and he thinks they are "dark and mysterious creatures and never turn your back on them" i look down and hati is chewing on his leg. oh yea i totally got a dark scary creature. but yea i just think people should never own one without the proper care or knowledge. and if they want one solely because they think they are cool then clearly they are idiots.
User avatar #144 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
Shiba Inus actually tend to have temperamental personalities; not to mention they are usually at least $1,000 when you can actually find a breeder. If you want a wolf, get a Husky or a Malamute - or better yet, a German Shepherd. The Sable varieties can look very wolf-like, especially with plush coats!

I've actually heard a local breeder (who had just one mid-content litter, alas) say something like "wolfdogs tend to do much better with women, because most men cannot get past the ideals that a wolfdog or wolf is some tough, macho animal that is vicious and impressive to own. Women more commonly see what sensitive creatures they are." And for the record, he is a man himself - but it does seem that the most popular and well-known breeders in the country are in fact women.

Just something I found kind of interesting, because I've never really met many guys who don't envision them as a status symbol, at least in some way. I don't know if you're male or female though it's good you understand your boy and don't have him as nothing more than an ego boost.

A good rule of thumb is - and it goes for huskies and malamutes too - never, ever get one of these animals because they are "cool" or "pretty" or "impressive".
That will wear off VERY fast once you actually have them, and end up dealing with the cons of owning and providing for such a high-maintenance, special needs animal. And it's the animal who will pay for your negligence - sometimes with its life.
User avatar #151 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
my husband got him because hes interested in animal psychology. lol and cause they are cool haha but yea the first reason is his primary reason. though he did admit to me he hopes to one day show him off. but its more showing the world that these animals arnt meant to be feared. he wants to show people how important wolves are and educate them. and he dreamed to bring hati with him. but we try so hard to socialize him and he just is so scared. we go to the dog park as much as we can, we even brought him to school once. didnt let him out of the truck we just wanted him to see people and realize they wont hurt him. though the other day he huffed rather than hid at a person so we think its a good sign. also we were at the lake and he cried and begged to go play with the dog knowing a human was there. that was odd.
i can tell very easily hati tends to cling to me more. but im way more careless and forgiving. so im sure hati knows he can get away with things. but he does wag his tail when i give him hugs and cuddles with me if hes in trouble. im a bad mom once i petted him when he was in trouble with "dad". i didnt know he was in trouble i thought he wanted to cuddle. but i did defend him after i knew. i cant help it hes just so cute! if i ever do become a house wife then while my child is at school i hope to be able to do things to help wolf dogs. i also hope hati is here to see my child. my husband is nervous about that though. he has every right to be but i see much more love in hati. so i dont have anyone who can answer this maybe you can. i bought a pom about 4 months ago. for the first 3 weeks they didnt meet. on the day of their meeting hati sniffed him asked to play was confused when he didnt then got down layed down and looked like he was grooming him? we have no idea if this is bad or good. he was like nibbling on him but like how a dog would scratch itself with its teeth. he does this all the time.
User avatar #153 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
That's called flea biting, or fleaing. It's completely normal, and it is not an aggressive behavior at all. Mothers and older pack mates frequently do it to younger pups; though sometimes it does pinch and the youngsters may not especially appreciate it, haha. My husky used to do it to my kitty back before he passed away. Sadly, he is afraid of all of our other cats; sometimes they even chase him - this was the only one he ever really bonded with.
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#113 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Isis is unique because she and her brother were from born from a true HC arctic father, from USA Wolves; her upper-mid mother from Wolfzone1 was arctic with some gray wolf in her which is where they inherited the black color. Even among other HC black phase wolfdogs, they have a very different (but no less wolfy) look.
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#102 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
This is her sister, lower-HC arctic wolfdog. She is coming out of a lot of the fearful behavior all on her own; she approaches people now and loves to be gently touched and petted.
#103 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
I was scratching her neck in this photo and stopped to take the picture. If I ignore her while I'm taking pictures of the others, she bites my hair and tries to pull it. : P
#104 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
This is another HC Arctic from a different breeder; from Lorraine Smith of Winddancer.

This picture was taken on the same day as the others, but this one's summer coat is remarkably different from Isis and her sister.
#105 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Handsome boy Cove, the father-to-be of my future pup ~
#111 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Another photo of Cove, taken a few months ago - he was blowing his winter coat at the time and getting ready for summer.
#106 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Cove's daughter Lulu. Her mother was a black shepherd wolfdog, surprisingly enough!
#107 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Eros, and upper mid content wolfdog pup at five months old, with ancestors from the same breeder of Isis and Peaches - Wolfzone 1
#109 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
His sister, Aniia; mid-content white shepherd and timber wolf. I would LOVE a pup from this girl someday.
#110 - Dember (15 hours ago) [-]
Aniia again ~ She gets a much "Wolfier" look in her winter coat when her fur is less smooth and sleek. c:
User avatar #123 - littleliz (15 hours ago) [-]
actually i take that back i think i favor aniia over isis. aniias eyes are like unreal. they look straight out of a drawing or book. if her coat was just slightly longer i think i would get up and beg them to sell her to me right now
User avatar #128 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
And for the record, I would pay out the nose for a pup from Aniia and Hati - they really do complement one another very well if you ask me.

A little girl from them would be THE perfect pair for my future Isis x Cove pup, haha. : P
#127 - Dember (14 hours ago) [-]
Well like I said, that's her summer coat. This is Aniia in winter. c:

I believe they plan to breed her with Cove in 2015, once she is mature enough.
#155 - littleliz (11 hours ago) [-]
#154 - littleliz (11 hours ago) [-]
oh i have a ton of pictures but i need to shrink them down. im a photographer hobbiest so i always take pictures lol. thats actually sort of how i got into wolves. its not wolves i like its nature so they just go along in that category. and hati is the greatest picture opportunity ever. this winter hopefully it will snow (we all know we need the water) and im going to attempt to get collarless pictures of him. i failed last year. butthead wouldnt let me touch him he kept trying to play with me. my pom fearlessly sticks his head in the bowl and hati gave me this super depressed like wtf is this nonsense look tucked his tail in a little and walked away. i laughed so hard and showed him its ok and its his food. i pushed bear away so hati could eat and in response he started dropping food on the ground so bear could eat some. camera was dead at the time.
also about your friend. i really like pits but they can be so aggressive and to be honest and i know it sounds mean but they should all be fixed. they just usually arnt in the proper hands. so i actually asked my husband why he didnt want to breed hati and he said "there is enough wolf dogs in the pounds and dead already i dont want to contribute to that". hes right though. were just definitely not breeders. he thinks this of any dog though
so this is zeus and hati. hati was raised with zeus. zeus was already 1 years old and quickly put him in his place. our pack structure works like this. me and my husband are the alphas of course zeus is the beta hati is now a second beta due to bears presence but we deemed him as "the omega" as a joke and now hes promoted to beta.
User avatar #149 - littleliz (12 hours ago) [-]
hahaha no sorry i missed a comma. i own a Pomeranian. its hatis "little brother" and zeus is a great Pyrenees. next to wolf dogs huskies and malamutes the pyrenees make pretty good play mates since they are not only big but built for wolf attacks. thick necks with thick fur and strong build. hati just jumps all over him and he just doesnt care. unfortunately zeus is huge so hes not that active. but when they do play its actually scary lol.
given our small fence size its just another reason to try and eliminate all reasons to escape. the lean in helps a lot its about a foot in and so to climb out he has to be an amazing climber. hati actually LOVES his enclosure. he hates being in the house. the other day my husband went on a hike through yosemite leaving us all alone. i noticed flys got to hatis ears on the outside so i brought him down to clean him. he went into our front yard with the pomeranian to play. (bear is like 6 months old and so small lol its funny to watch them) i fed him and found out hati is not food aggressive to other dogs and totally gave bear some food. cutest shit ever! but we had a great day we played in the water he cuddled with me on the door step he came inside took a nap played some more then, hopped the fence. i immediatly started crying. my dumbass took off his collar for cleaning! and no scarf either. we put it on so people can tell hes a pet. im having a panic attack hes in the front yard. i try and coax him with food but he just ate. so i go inside and he runs away. i pull out his food bucket because i know he will get hungry eventually hopefully and come back. i open the door and there he is crying at me cause he saw a human and came back. he ran off into the woods again and i walked calmly up to his enclosure put the bucket full of food, bones, BARF patties and everything he likes. he walks up behind me wags his tail and goes into the enclosure and lays down. worst day ever.
User avatar #150 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
Rub some vaseline on the tips of his ears every day; it prevents fly bites. You can also try Vicks vapor rub gel if you find the other dogs are licking the petroleum jelly off; it has a stronger odor and should deter them from it. Helpful tip from the wolfdog breeder at Rare Breed Exotics. : P

You need to take more pictures; Hati playing with a great pyrenees sounds almost as interesting to see as him playing and eating with a pom, haha. <3
User avatar #143 - littleliz (13 hours ago) [-]
sorry replying to comment # 138 here.
we werent afraid of winter wolf syndrome. its the desire to mate is so strong it can stress him out. and he can hurt himself so badly if he smells an un neutered female. he would try and run away more or get out more. i believe its very possible to get out of his enclosure but he would have to want to so bad. its 40' by 40' 8' tall and 3' deep. plus on the ground around the edges is horse fencing so he cant dig near the ends and lean ins on top so he cant climb out. we just wanted to eliminate most reasons for him to want to get out. but this wasnt because hes a wolf we did that for all our males. our pom wolfdog and um wow i forgot what zeus is. lol starts with a P and hes huge. but yea any male if not breeding fairly frequently should be neutered to reduce stress on them. like my parents are going through hell with their lab. and my parents would make you cringe if you met them and watched how they train their dog.
User avatar #146 - Dember (12 hours ago) [-]
Oh wow, that's definitely not very tall for a HC at all - all of the ones at Rare Breed Exotics can jump nine foot fences; even the three-legged rescue! They do 12 to 16 foot fencing at the very least; and miss Isis has still managed to scale it - she can literally walk up corners and hop right over the top with the grace of a dancer. My own enclosure has very tall sides with double-sided fencing, and a normal 6' fenced yard around it.

... Did you really just say "pom wolfdog" or did you miss a comma there??

I know what you mean about unaltered male problems. Some are worse than others; I live with an intact male with no problems, and my own husky was intact for 4 years - no stress, no change in behavior either.

However, my friend who used to bring her husky over for regular doggy play-dates is no longer welcome until she finally gets her obnoxious pit bull fixed, because he just obsessively mounts my dogs (even though they are not in heat of course) and then gets aggressive when they growl or snap at him to make him stop.
He comes from two nasty-tempered parents from one of the worst, most abusive, neglectful, heartless "breeders" I have ever known of, and it definitely shows in his temperament.
Shame; I love pits and they usually make very good companions for huskies and wolfdogs because of how sturdy and silly they are.
User avatar #132 - littleliz (14 hours ago) [-]
i stupidly didnt even read your description on aniia i was staring at her and everything else just went away. hati took two years to mature of course thats another sign of his wolfness. i wish he wasnt fixed but of course an unfixed male wolf is so much more work. he wouldnt breed like these guys get to and it would stress him out so bad. i wish he could breed i think a combination of the two would be fun. also i think hati possesses the gene for a black wolf coat so i think that would be interesting to see how they turned out
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#138 - Dember (13 hours ago) [-]
Your boy really isn't a wolf, though; he still has plenty of dog traits.

It's not even certain he would have experienced "winter wolf syndrome", and it is a myth that all HC males do. For instance, Cove does not - he is 70% upper-mid.

The true HC Arctic who sired Isis, Peaches and Olmec - he does not go seasonally infertile; they were actually born a bit out of season, in early July rather than March to May.
If his testes shriveled up outside of breeding season, he would not have been able to sire a litter that late; many people did not believe they were really his, back when the pups were too young to resemble him.

I agree that neutering does help curb or eliminate many unwanted behaviors though it's kind of a shame he is one of very, very few true wolfdogs with significant content in him and he was sterilized so they will be even more rare here. : P
User avatar #27 - littleliz (19 hours ago) [-]
well he loves us very much but hes got to much energy and is to scared of humans to take for a walk. he only cuddles at night. besides that he wants nothing to do with us. i really doubt you had a wolf. mines a hybrid and you cant tell but hes part malamute. usually wolves are brown and black. or black but that has dog in it too somewhere down the line
#29 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
I got Tsume at 5 and a half weeks, so from the litter I kept him around constant socialization bc I was scared he wouldn't like people. He had gold eyes and trust me, he was. But you might be right, he may have had some dog in him. I wish I had a picture I would upload it. I only have one and I took it with a camera not like a phone where I can put it online. How old is yours?
User avatar #34 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
oh and his brother is wyatt they look really similar. they are only half brothers though. the only difference between them is hati has shorter fur than wyatt
User avatar #33 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
he has to in order to be majorly grey. you know people lie all the time about selling wolfdogs so they sell more. ive met so many "Wolf dogs" and they were just german shepherds or huskys or malamutes. mines two. he loved people but one day we took him to his godfathers house and a friend knocked over a box in the garage causing mass amounts of boxes to fall with it and the noise was so loud he got so scared and ever since then hes been scared of anyone new. this is his family. his dad is dalton and his mom is either betsy or annie. i forget.
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#37 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
This was Tsume
#72 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
This is a real wolf. Can you spot some of the differences?

First off, notice the eyes. They are bright yellow - not just light brown like a dog's, but very vibrant, with jet black eyeliner. The eyes are angular and slanted.

The markings are smooth and well blended - the face is not pure white; the back is not dark colored and distinguishable from the rest of the color like one big black, brown or gray spot or "Saddle". That is a German Shepherd trait.

The ears are not high on the head or close together. They are not pointed or triangular, they are rounded. They are thick, like shoe leather, and have a lot of fur inside - you do not see skin inside of them.

The tail is black tipped; the chest is narrow, the legs are long. Even the posture is different - wolves typically walk with their heads level with their spine.

I can guarantee you, your dog was not a wolf. It did not even have wolf in it. It was in fact, a "wolfy" looking dog. I've seen a hundred husky/shepherd mixes who look just like it.

And it was a MUCH better pet because of that. If he was a real wolf, you would have been beyond in over your head and your "pet wolf" would have gotten loose and died. Wolves do not make good dogs.
#68 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
You had a Siberian Husky mix. Here is one who looked just like yours. She is a Siberian Husky mixed with German Shepherd - very little to no wolf at all.
#69 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Same animal; still not a wolf.
#40 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
yea it has to have dog in it. a 100% wolf is so very hard to find. hatis mom is 100% but i dont know where they got her. and you definetly know you have a wolfdog when all it does is want to chew on things move things around. my dog doesnt bark, chews up things, has a 40 foot by 40 foot enclosure which is only 5 feet over the minimum legal limit in california. hes so different than any dog ive ever had. if your wolf is calm lazy cuddly then you probably have a mix to not a wolf at all. its very rare for a wolf to be well behaved. mine is 86% so hes high content and high maintenance i had to read so many books on him before even meeting him.
this isnt the pic i wanted to use but apparently all my other ones are to big
#44 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
yeah Tsume I had him in that runner when we weren't outside, but we let him run when we were there out in the woods. He was a sweetie, but didn't really chew or bark. Actually, I don't remember hearing him bark at all... (he might have when I wasn't there but idk). He did howl unlike my other doggies. He listened to me over my dad which at the time was unheard of for our dogs (he was alpha, then me, then my mom) but not for Tsume. I was alpha to him. Incredibly smart. OMG YOUR WOLF IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!! He couldn't have been full. But I do know that his mom and dad and grandparents were in this HUGE enclosure (Ohio) and they had the pups out in their barn. I wish I had a better pic than that but if you saw his eyes, they were the same as yours. I just girled him up a lot and gave him a pink collar and stuff lol
#93 - anonymous (16 hours ago) [-]
thank you he would be prettier if it wasnt for his eye. and sorry im wrong his mom is only 96-97% its near impossible to get a 100% in california and illegal in most states. my friend had one that was registered at 99.9% which is legal but he was 100%. his family lived in alaska and a sheep farmer killed them all and grabbed the babies in revenge and my friends grandfather saw the pup tied to the stump and hopped the fence grabbed it and ran. he then gave it to his granddaughters who had hell raising him but he was such a good boy in the end. lol after he was like 13 and to old to do anything. so where did you get tsume and my husband looked and he said if it is a wolfdog its likely to be about 50 to maybe 60% given the description of its behavior
User avatar #94 - littleliz (16 hours ago) [-]
sorry funnyjunk logged me out for some reason and i didnt notice
#73 - Dember (17 hours ago) [-]
Huskies and Malamutes, and mixes of each, often do not bark much or at all. They can ALL howl, and they have beautiful voices. Here is my Siberian Husky doing the same.
#41 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
#35 - jtistillam (18 hours ago) [-]
ok i have the picture. I am on my boyfriend's account. If I take a picture on my phone of the pic, and send it to fb, can I save it, and upload it here? Hold on
User avatar #36 - littleliz (18 hours ago) [-]
you can save it from fb and put it here yes
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