Home Original Content Funny Pictures Funny GIFs YouTube Funny Text Funny Movies Channels Search

hide menu

jokeface    

Rank #1943 on Comments
jokeface Avatar Level 321 Comments: Covered In Thumbs
Offline
Send mail to jokeface Block jokeface Invite jokeface to be your friend flag avatar
Last status update:
-
Personal Info
Gender: male
Age: 23
Consoles Owned: Nintendo DS, PS2
Video Games Played: Pokemon, Pokemon, and that one with the monsters you have to capture and battle. I forget what it's called.
Interests: Writing, Lucid dreaming, Pokemon, Transformers (yes, even the Michael Bay version), Christianity, and movies.
Date Signed Up:4/07/2011
Last Login:9/12/2014
Location:Right behind you
Funnyjunk Career Stats
Content Ranking:#8202
Comment Ranking:#1943
Highest Content Rank:#1053
Highest Comment Rank:#310
Content Thumbs: 16196 total,  18310 ,  2114
Comment Thumbs: 22354 total,  29183 ,  6829
Content Level Progress: 16.2% (162/1000)
Level 216 Content: Comedic Genius → Level 217 Content: Comedic Genius
Comment Level Progress: 36.2% (362/1000)
Level 321 Comments: Covered In Thumbs → Level 322 Comments: Covered In Thumbs
Subscribers:18
Content Views:600395
Times Content Favorited:1208 times
Total Comments Made:12309
FJ Points:7997
Favorite Tags: tags (20) | fuck (10) | Pokemon (7) | Boobs (6) | ponies (6) | BLAH (3) | comp (3) | dat (3) | description (3) | meh (3) | dont (2) | fucking (2) | leo (2) | meme (2) | You (2)
I tell jokes and I make faces. I am JokeFace.

latest user's comments

#40807 - Replying here because thread ran out. There will alwa… 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40795 - It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-o…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40790 - Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40787 - Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nulli…  [+] (5 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40782 - Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meani…  [+] (7 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#153 - Lilith is more of a Jewish thing than Christian.  [+] (2 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Jeebus comp 0
User avatar #154 - heartlessrobot (08/30/2013) [-]
Christianity stems from Judaism.
User avatar #155 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes but that doesn't mean we have all the same beliefs.
#40777 - When we educate others about our faith, we discourage sin, obv…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #40833 - kesolukt (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes absolutly, I have plenty of christian friends and was raised a (lutheran) christian too so I know what you mean. I just questioned your choice of words; you said we should hate the sin(homosexuality).
User avatar #40855 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well hate is a tricky word. Depending on the context, its meaning changes. For example, Jesus told us that to follow Him we would have to "hate" our friends and family. And that's caused some confusion for people who don't fully understand what He was talking about. In that instance, He just meant that our love for Him must be so strong that our love for anyone else is like hatred by comparison. But elsewhere in the Bible, it is repeatedly said that we are to love one another as God loves us (which is fully and unconditionally). But through Jesus Christ, sin has been separated from the sinner.

Here, I took this excerpt from a website:

Most religious people agree that God hates sin. Over and over, the Bible stresses the fact that God despises iniquity. God told the prophet Jeremiah to speak to the Israelites about their sin, saying: “Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I hate!” (44:4). The Proverbs writer listed seven sins the Lord hates (6:16-19). The prophet Zechariah declared that God hates a false oath and evil done to one’s neighbor (8:17). Jesus Himself said that He hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6). The Bible emphasizes that the Lord hates sin.
User avatar #41160 - kesolukt (08/31/2013) [-]
Oh, well that's a very important part that most people(christian or not) should know more about. The fact that it should be hatred by comparison to unconditional love and not really hate.
User avatar #41228 - jokeface (09/01/2013) [-]
Indeed, I've had more than one discussion concerning the controversial implications of that verse.
#40775 - Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage ha…  [+] (9 new replies) 08/30/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#142 - They don't leave out the part about the Apostles trying to pre…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Jeebus comp 0
User avatar #143 - heartlessrobot (08/29/2013) [-]
Well, must not be the most known since I got a shitstorm of red thumbs last time I posted about that. The modern bible also leaves out Lilith, Adams first wife.
User avatar #153 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Lilith is more of a Jewish thing than Christian.
User avatar #154 - heartlessrobot (08/30/2013) [-]
Christianity stems from Judaism.
User avatar #155 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes but that doesn't mean we have all the same beliefs.
#40694 - >just vomited a little Civil theological discussion is …  [+] (27 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40702 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40775 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage has pretty much covered everything I could have said. Unless you have more questions.
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40696 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40745 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
Slavery is a cheap source of labor that can easily fit into scarcity, with poor tribes at the time and resources being needed to be constantly attended Slavery also fills the answer to the question of what to do with enemies of war. Killing them is cruel in the morality that you present, and setting them free results in two options:
-Leave them with nothing as the war has taken its course, which branches off into the death of said peoples from starvation and lack of resources, or to the eventual rebuild and retaliation against the tribe/kingdom that attacked them
-Leave them with resources the tribe needs and cause suffering to the people of the victorious tribe for the sake of pity.

On another point altogether, the quote, and the book, are from the OT, which describe laws that were nullified with the sacrifice of Jesus Therefore, they are irreverent to the modern moral standards of modern Christians.
#40746 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40750 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I view it personally as a lesson from history, that everything that appears to be bad initially can yield beneficial results to the rest of us, meaning that tragedies that appear horrifying can actually bring unexpected benefits in the long run of society.

I can respect your skepticism of a personal god from moral argument, as this is a common controversy to many.
#40751 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40776 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
That is your own subjective reasoning then that is allowed to differ from mine. I respect you for having it, as the question of "God's plan" is a tough one that many people, including firm believers, ask. Yet, a world without any strife is paradise. A paradise world with mortal humans may not be ideal.
#40780 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40781 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I don't want to force my belief onto you, I only ask for an understanding, but many Christians believe that this was the point of Jesus on Earth.
#40783 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40810 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Again, a lotta that stuff got contradicted. Removed. The OT comprises of the history leading up to Jesus, measurements and lists, laws, and other info like that. Chances are, this stuff fell under the "History" part of that.

It's a document, too. Not just a book with god speaking directly to us. It's the history of the older days that helps us understand Christianity, Jesus, and all that jazz.

....I'm WAY too tired right now to keep this up, so if you want I can do more research and help ya out a bit more some other time.
User avatar #40808 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Hm...Again, perhaps a law thing? Like, perhaps in those days, the law stated that you couldn't own a slave/servant from your own country, for...whatever reason.

Honestly, I can't give a straight answer right off the bat for that, but I can look into it if you want. But again, laws and social norms changed a lot over time. I don't think it's a religion thing as much as it's a political thing.
#40809 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40805 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
A lot of stuff in the bible wasn't written directly by god, or meant in context.

Like, some of the books were letters, to other people. That got included for basic info, not for any real teaching. Like the book "Numbers" that literally is pretty much a huge list of measurements and surveys.

Plus, it had to be translated from Hebrew. So that's....pretty hard to do. A lot of words and statements in the bible were mistranslated, so there coulda been two different words being used. Like, "Servents", instead of "slaves".

But I think the big thing is, again, the context. Because it was a different language, and a different way of speaking, I think in this particular context the word "slave" sorta changes meaning part way through.

Like, again, a "slave" was basically a servant or butler back then. But I think the term "They must not be slaves" there meant that they must not be forced into labor against their will for no payment.

.. I could be wrong, though.
#40806 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40802 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
My last reply.

Just for that top comment. "How could god let this stuff happen".

This get's a little into an opinionated ideal here. But...The way I see it, God wants us to follow willingly. He doesn't want to affect our lives too much, or to push us into following. He wants us to make the choice to do so.

It's kind like...We gotta sort our own stuff out. Because, all this horrible stuff that's happening...it's all done by humans. Everyone who does an act of horrid evil makes the choice to do so. And it's about choice. The choice to be evil, or the choice to be good.

But if that choice wasn't there, what would be the point? God could make robots to do his bidding by force, but he wants US. US, made in his image, given free will, and given the choice/freedom to do whatever we want, even if some stuff we do comes at a cost or has a bad outcome.

...I'll stop talking now, before I bore ya to death.
#40803 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40692 - The slavery in the Bible is not the kind we think of today. It…  [+] (33 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40693 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40703 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Hmm, just so you have some context on leviticus, the levites were a tribe of jews, leviticus is basically the rules which governed their (The levites) lives. It's like trying to apply Russian Laws in America.
#40704 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40705 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Eh, this is basically where the Jews derive their whole gods chosen mentality which has a bit of a habit of getting them into trouble..
#40707 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40694 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
>just vomited a little
Civil theological discussion is no place for exaggeration.
And humanity can reach amazing potential without letting go of our faith in God. We've gotten this far, haven't we?
And how exactly does that verse contradict my statement?
#40702 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40775 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage has pretty much covered everything I could have said. Unless you have more questions.
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40696 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40745 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
Slavery is a cheap source of labor that can easily fit into scarcity, with poor tribes at the time and resources being needed to be constantly attended Slavery also fills the answer to the question of what to do with enemies of war. Killing them is cruel in the morality that you present, and setting them free results in two options:
-Leave them with nothing as the war has taken its course, which branches off into the death of said peoples from starvation and lack of resources, or to the eventual rebuild and retaliation against the tribe/kingdom that attacked them
-Leave them with resources the tribe needs and cause suffering to the people of the victorious tribe for the sake of pity.

On another point altogether, the quote, and the book, are from the OT, which describe laws that were nullified with the sacrifice of Jesus Therefore, they are irreverent to the modern moral standards of modern Christians.
#40746 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40750 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I view it personally as a lesson from history, that everything that appears to be bad initially can yield beneficial results to the rest of us, meaning that tragedies that appear horrifying can actually bring unexpected benefits in the long run of society.

I can respect your skepticism of a personal god from moral argument, as this is a common controversy to many.
#40751 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40776 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
That is your own subjective reasoning then that is allowed to differ from mine. I respect you for having it, as the question of "God's plan" is a tough one that many people, including firm believers, ask. Yet, a world without any strife is paradise. A paradise world with mortal humans may not be ideal.
#40780 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40781 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I don't want to force my belief onto you, I only ask for an understanding, but many Christians believe that this was the point of Jesus on Earth.
#40783 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40810 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Again, a lotta that stuff got contradicted. Removed. The OT comprises of the history leading up to Jesus, measurements and lists, laws, and other info like that. Chances are, this stuff fell under the "History" part of that.

It's a document, too. Not just a book with god speaking directly to us. It's the history of the older days that helps us understand Christianity, Jesus, and all that jazz.

....I'm WAY too tired right now to keep this up, so if you want I can do more research and help ya out a bit more some other time.
User avatar #40808 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Hm...Again, perhaps a law thing? Like, perhaps in those days, the law stated that you couldn't own a slave/servant from your own country, for...whatever reason.

Honestly, I can't give a straight answer right off the bat for that, but I can look into it if you want. But again, laws and social norms changed a lot over time. I don't think it's a religion thing as much as it's a political thing.
#40809 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40805 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
A lot of stuff in the bible wasn't written directly by god, or meant in context.

Like, some of the books were letters, to other people. That got included for basic info, not for any real teaching. Like the book "Numbers" that literally is pretty much a huge list of measurements and surveys.

Plus, it had to be translated from Hebrew. So that's....pretty hard to do. A lot of words and statements in the bible were mistranslated, so there coulda been two different words being used. Like, "Servents", instead of "slaves".

But I think the big thing is, again, the context. Because it was a different language, and a different way of speaking, I think in this particular context the word "slave" sorta changes meaning part way through.

Like, again, a "slave" was basically a servant or butler back then. But I think the term "They must not be slaves" there meant that they must not be forced into labor against their will for no payment.

.. I could be wrong, though.
#40806 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40802 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
My last reply.

Just for that top comment. "How could god let this stuff happen".

This get's a little into an opinionated ideal here. But...The way I see it, God wants us to follow willingly. He doesn't want to affect our lives too much, or to push us into following. He wants us to make the choice to do so.

It's kind like...We gotta sort our own stuff out. Because, all this horrible stuff that's happening...it's all done by humans. Everyone who does an act of horrid evil makes the choice to do so. And it's about choice. The choice to be evil, or the choice to be good.

But if that choice wasn't there, what would be the point? God could make robots to do his bidding by force, but he wants US. US, made in his image, given free will, and given the choice/freedom to do whatever we want, even if some stuff we do comes at a cost or has a bad outcome.

...I'll stop talking now, before I bore ya to death.
#40803 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#133 - Well, most Christians don't acknowledge it, but allegedly ther…  [+] (6 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Jeebus comp 0
User avatar #140 - heartlessrobot (08/29/2013) [-]
They also leave out the fact that his apostles carried swords and tried to fight off the Roman Soldiers that tried to take him, the fact that jesus was the political Messiah and John the Baptist was supposed to be the spiritual Messiah (they kinda had to change things up a bit after the whole beheading thing), AND the fact that Lucifer is NOT satan. Satan is nothing more than a lower devil, pretty much Hell's foreman. Lucifer was not the king of hell either, he was a seraphim (six winged angel, one of gods highest ranking) that was cast out of heaven to watch over hell as punishment for refusing to love mankind more than god. The TRUE king of hell is Beelzebub Lord of Flies.
Source: My father, an ordained minister.
User avatar #142 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
They don't leave out the part about the Apostles trying to prevent the Roman soldiers from taking Jesus. One of them definitely cuts off a soldier's ear, which pisses off Jesus. That's canon. And the thing about Lucifer once being an angel who was cast out of hell is well known to most if not all Christians.
User avatar #143 - heartlessrobot (08/29/2013) [-]
Well, must not be the most known since I got a shitstorm of red thumbs last time I posted about that. The modern bible also leaves out Lilith, Adams first wife.
User avatar #153 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Lilith is more of a Jewish thing than Christian.
User avatar #154 - heartlessrobot (08/30/2013) [-]
Christianity stems from Judaism.
User avatar #155 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes but that doesn't mean we have all the same beliefs.
#40690 - Guys fall in love with guys but God says no to that. Clearly r…  [+] (36 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40691 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40798 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
^As for this

The guy below kiinda has the right idea. Slavery was a different thing, back then. Like a job, like a butler. You did it to survive.

And murder...Was never accepted. Unless in cases where justice needed to be dealt. But, as we see in the OT, shit got REALLY messed up. All sorts of messed up murders and gruesome stuff in the name of a God who should represent love.

Understand...Humans are capable of so much good. And, at the same time, so much evil. The Earth belongs to the devil, so it's basically a corrupted mess. We all did bad things, we all messed up on some level. But God sent his only son so we WOULDN'T have to suffer. So we wouldn't have to do these insane sacrifices or go by such impossible laws.
User avatar #40692 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
The slavery in the Bible is not the kind we think of today. It's just indentured servitude, which was necessary for a lot of people back in Bible times because of widespread poverty. Selling themselves into slavery was the only way they could ensure a home and food for themselves and their family. And God commanded that certain people be killed because they were wicked and deserved death. In all actuality, every human deserves death, so He's actually benevolent for not having everyone killed.
#40693 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40703 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Hmm, just so you have some context on leviticus, the levites were a tribe of jews, leviticus is basically the rules which governed their (The levites) lives. It's like trying to apply Russian Laws in America.
#40704 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40705 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Eh, this is basically where the Jews derive their whole gods chosen mentality which has a bit of a habit of getting them into trouble..
#40707 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40694 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
>just vomited a little
Civil theological discussion is no place for exaggeration.
And humanity can reach amazing potential without letting go of our faith in God. We've gotten this far, haven't we?
And how exactly does that verse contradict my statement?
#40702 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40775 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage has pretty much covered everything I could have said. Unless you have more questions.
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40696 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40745 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
Slavery is a cheap source of labor that can easily fit into scarcity, with poor tribes at the time and resources being needed to be constantly attended Slavery also fills the answer to the question of what to do with enemies of war. Killing them is cruel in the morality that you present, and setting them free results in two options:
-Leave them with nothing as the war has taken its course, which branches off into the death of said peoples from starvation and lack of resources, or to the eventual rebuild and retaliation against the tribe/kingdom that attacked them
-Leave them with resources the tribe needs and cause suffering to the people of the victorious tribe for the sake of pity.

On another point altogether, the quote, and the book, are from the OT, which describe laws that were nullified with the sacrifice of Jesus Therefore, they are irreverent to the modern moral standards of modern Christians.
#40746 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40750 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I view it personally as a lesson from history, that everything that appears to be bad initially can yield beneficial results to the rest of us, meaning that tragedies that appear horrifying can actually bring unexpected benefits in the long run of society.

I can respect your skepticism of a personal god from moral argument, as this is a common controversy to many.
#40751 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40776 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
That is your own subjective reasoning then that is allowed to differ from mine. I respect you for having it, as the question of "God's plan" is a tough one that many people, including firm believers, ask. Yet, a world without any strife is paradise. A paradise world with mortal humans may not be ideal.
#40780 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40781 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I don't want to force my belief onto you, I only ask for an understanding, but many Christians believe that this was the point of Jesus on Earth.
#40783 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40810 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Again, a lotta that stuff got contradicted. Removed. The OT comprises of the history leading up to Jesus, measurements and lists, laws, and other info like that. Chances are, this stuff fell under the "History" part of that.

It's a document, too. Not just a book with god speaking directly to us. It's the history of the older days that helps us understand Christianity, Jesus, and all that jazz.

....I'm WAY too tired right now to keep this up, so if you want I can do more research and help ya out a bit more some other time.
User avatar #40808 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Hm...Again, perhaps a law thing? Like, perhaps in those days, the law stated that you couldn't own a slave/servant from your own country, for...whatever reason.

Honestly, I can't give a straight answer right off the bat for that, but I can look into it if you want. But again, laws and social norms changed a lot over time. I don't think it's a religion thing as much as it's a political thing.
#40809 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40805 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
A lot of stuff in the bible wasn't written directly by god, or meant in context.

Like, some of the books were letters, to other people. That got included for basic info, not for any real teaching. Like the book "Numbers" that literally is pretty much a huge list of measurements and surveys.

Plus, it had to be translated from Hebrew. So that's....pretty hard to do. A lot of words and statements in the bible were mistranslated, so there coulda been two different words being used. Like, "Servents", instead of "slaves".

But I think the big thing is, again, the context. Because it was a different language, and a different way of speaking, I think in this particular context the word "slave" sorta changes meaning part way through.

Like, again, a "slave" was basically a servant or butler back then. But I think the term "They must not be slaves" there meant that they must not be forced into labor against their will for no payment.

.. I could be wrong, though.
#40806 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40802 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
My last reply.

Just for that top comment. "How could god let this stuff happen".

This get's a little into an opinionated ideal here. But...The way I see it, God wants us to follow willingly. He doesn't want to affect our lives too much, or to push us into following. He wants us to make the choice to do so.

It's kind like...We gotta sort our own stuff out. Because, all this horrible stuff that's happening...it's all done by humans. Everyone who does an act of horrid evil makes the choice to do so. And it's about choice. The choice to be evil, or the choice to be good.

But if that choice wasn't there, what would be the point? God could make robots to do his bidding by force, but he wants US. US, made in his image, given free will, and given the choice/freedom to do whatever we want, even if some stuff we do comes at a cost or has a bad outcome.

...I'll stop talking now, before I bore ya to death.
#40803 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40688 - The Earth's population. There's over 7 billion people in the w…  [+] (38 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40689 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40690 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
Guys fall in love with guys but God says no to that. Clearly romantic love is not a strong enough reason to make something okay.
#40691 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40798 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
^As for this

The guy below kiinda has the right idea. Slavery was a different thing, back then. Like a job, like a butler. You did it to survive.

And murder...Was never accepted. Unless in cases where justice needed to be dealt. But, as we see in the OT, shit got REALLY messed up. All sorts of messed up murders and gruesome stuff in the name of a God who should represent love.

Understand...Humans are capable of so much good. And, at the same time, so much evil. The Earth belongs to the devil, so it's basically a corrupted mess. We all did bad things, we all messed up on some level. But God sent his only son so we WOULDN'T have to suffer. So we wouldn't have to do these insane sacrifices or go by such impossible laws.
User avatar #40692 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
The slavery in the Bible is not the kind we think of today. It's just indentured servitude, which was necessary for a lot of people back in Bible times because of widespread poverty. Selling themselves into slavery was the only way they could ensure a home and food for themselves and their family. And God commanded that certain people be killed because they were wicked and deserved death. In all actuality, every human deserves death, so He's actually benevolent for not having everyone killed.
#40693 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40703 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Hmm, just so you have some context on leviticus, the levites were a tribe of jews, leviticus is basically the rules which governed their (The levites) lives. It's like trying to apply Russian Laws in America.
#40704 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40705 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Eh, this is basically where the Jews derive their whole gods chosen mentality which has a bit of a habit of getting them into trouble..
#40707 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40694 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
>just vomited a little
Civil theological discussion is no place for exaggeration.
And humanity can reach amazing potential without letting go of our faith in God. We've gotten this far, haven't we?
And how exactly does that verse contradict my statement?
#40702 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40775 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage has pretty much covered everything I could have said. Unless you have more questions.
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40696 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40745 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
Slavery is a cheap source of labor that can easily fit into scarcity, with poor tribes at the time and resources being needed to be constantly attended Slavery also fills the answer to the question of what to do with enemies of war. Killing them is cruel in the morality that you present, and setting them free results in two options:
-Leave them with nothing as the war has taken its course, which branches off into the death of said peoples from starvation and lack of resources, or to the eventual rebuild and retaliation against the tribe/kingdom that attacked them
-Leave them with resources the tribe needs and cause suffering to the people of the victorious tribe for the sake of pity.

On another point altogether, the quote, and the book, are from the OT, which describe laws that were nullified with the sacrifice of Jesus Therefore, they are irreverent to the modern moral standards of modern Christians.
#40746 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40750 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I view it personally as a lesson from history, that everything that appears to be bad initially can yield beneficial results to the rest of us, meaning that tragedies that appear horrifying can actually bring unexpected benefits in the long run of society.

I can respect your skepticism of a personal god from moral argument, as this is a common controversy to many.
#40751 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40776 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
That is your own subjective reasoning then that is allowed to differ from mine. I respect you for having it, as the question of "God's plan" is a tough one that many people, including firm believers, ask. Yet, a world without any strife is paradise. A paradise world with mortal humans may not be ideal.
#40780 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40781 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I don't want to force my belief onto you, I only ask for an understanding, but many Christians believe that this was the point of Jesus on Earth.
#40783 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40810 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Again, a lotta that stuff got contradicted. Removed. The OT comprises of the history leading up to Jesus, measurements and lists, laws, and other info like that. Chances are, this stuff fell under the "History" part of that.

It's a document, too. Not just a book with god speaking directly to us. It's the history of the older days that helps us understand Christianity, Jesus, and all that jazz.

....I'm WAY too tired right now to keep this up, so if you want I can do more research and help ya out a bit more some other time.
User avatar #40808 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Hm...Again, perhaps a law thing? Like, perhaps in those days, the law stated that you couldn't own a slave/servant from your own country, for...whatever reason.

Honestly, I can't give a straight answer right off the bat for that, but I can look into it if you want. But again, laws and social norms changed a lot over time. I don't think it's a religion thing as much as it's a political thing.
#40809 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40805 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
A lot of stuff in the bible wasn't written directly by god, or meant in context.

Like, some of the books were letters, to other people. That got included for basic info, not for any real teaching. Like the book "Numbers" that literally is pretty much a huge list of measurements and surveys.

Plus, it had to be translated from Hebrew. So that's....pretty hard to do. A lot of words and statements in the bible were mistranslated, so there coulda been two different words being used. Like, "Servents", instead of "slaves".

But I think the big thing is, again, the context. Because it was a different language, and a different way of speaking, I think in this particular context the word "slave" sorta changes meaning part way through.

Like, again, a "slave" was basically a servant or butler back then. But I think the term "They must not be slaves" there meant that they must not be forced into labor against their will for no payment.

.. I could be wrong, though.
#40806 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40802 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
My last reply.

Just for that top comment. "How could god let this stuff happen".

This get's a little into an opinionated ideal here. But...The way I see it, God wants us to follow willingly. He doesn't want to affect our lives too much, or to push us into following. He wants us to make the choice to do so.

It's kind like...We gotta sort our own stuff out. Because, all this horrible stuff that's happening...it's all done by humans. Everyone who does an act of horrid evil makes the choice to do so. And it's about choice. The choice to be evil, or the choice to be good.

But if that choice wasn't there, what would be the point? God could make robots to do his bidding by force, but he wants US. US, made in his image, given free will, and given the choice/freedom to do whatever we want, even if some stuff we do comes at a cost or has a bad outcome.

...I'll stop talking now, before I bore ya to death.
#40803 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40686 - The only ban on incest is in the Old Testament, much of which …  [+] (41 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40687 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40807 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Replying here because thread ran out.

There will always be people who are so twisted by sin that they will try to justify their hatred by blaming it on the Bible. I mean, you're right, most people are generally decent to each other, but that's because God influences everyone morally, even if they don't believe in Him. He's always working in us, trying to better our hearts. But some people feed their sinful nature so much that they don't allow God to help them. It's kind of like that Native American story about the two wolves fighting within each person's heart, a good wolf and a bad wolf, and whichever wolf wins depends on the one you feed.

As for the question of whether or not the crusaders and gay-bashers get into heaven, that's not for us to say. The Bible says that those who do not repent their sins and seek forgiveness will not be granted salvation. Based on that, it would seem those people are condemned. However, there is also the possibility that they don't realize that what they're doing is sinful. They may have already asked God for forgiveness and then proceeded to commit their judgmental sins thinking they were being righteous. That's supposedly what Hitler believed. So I can't say whether or not they'll be saved. That's for God to decide.
User avatar #40688 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
The Earth's population. There's over 7 billion people in the world to choose from. Why would you limit yourself to relatives?
#40689 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40690 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
Guys fall in love with guys but God says no to that. Clearly romantic love is not a strong enough reason to make something okay.
#40691 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40798 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
^As for this

The guy below kiinda has the right idea. Slavery was a different thing, back then. Like a job, like a butler. You did it to survive.

And murder...Was never accepted. Unless in cases where justice needed to be dealt. But, as we see in the OT, shit got REALLY messed up. All sorts of messed up murders and gruesome stuff in the name of a God who should represent love.

Understand...Humans are capable of so much good. And, at the same time, so much evil. The Earth belongs to the devil, so it's basically a corrupted mess. We all did bad things, we all messed up on some level. But God sent his only son so we WOULDN'T have to suffer. So we wouldn't have to do these insane sacrifices or go by such impossible laws.
User avatar #40692 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
The slavery in the Bible is not the kind we think of today. It's just indentured servitude, which was necessary for a lot of people back in Bible times because of widespread poverty. Selling themselves into slavery was the only way they could ensure a home and food for themselves and their family. And God commanded that certain people be killed because they were wicked and deserved death. In all actuality, every human deserves death, so He's actually benevolent for not having everyone killed.
#40693 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40703 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Hmm, just so you have some context on leviticus, the levites were a tribe of jews, leviticus is basically the rules which governed their (The levites) lives. It's like trying to apply Russian Laws in America.
#40704 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40705 - valeriya (08/29/2013) [-]
Eh, this is basically where the Jews derive their whole gods chosen mentality which has a bit of a habit of getting them into trouble..
#40707 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40694 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
>just vomited a little
Civil theological discussion is no place for exaggeration.
And humanity can reach amazing potential without letting go of our faith in God. We've gotten this far, haven't we?
And how exactly does that verse contradict my statement?
#40702 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40775 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Sorry, I had to go to work. But it looks like Passivevoyage has pretty much covered everything I could have said. Unless you have more questions.
#40779 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40782 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well that's simple. God is an objective moral authority, meaning He is subject to no higher power's command, and His command is universal across all of time and space. That being said, He makes all the rules and there is no one to judge Him. Ergo He cannot ever be wrong. He is perfect, and His standard is perfection. Anything that goes against His Word is imperfect and therefore wrong.
#40785 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40787 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well he phrased it in a misleading way. The laws weren't nullified, but it's true that we aren't bound by them anymore. And the reason we're not bound by them anymore is that Jesus fulfilled them so that we wouldn't have That's what He meant when He said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). The old laws are still in place, but since Jesus obeyed them without flaw, He took all the pressure off us.
#40788 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40790 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Jesus died for all sins, both those in the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the way we honor Him is to try and live good, wholesome lives, because we owe Him everything. We will never be able to fully pay Him back, but we must at least make an effort to show our gratitude, because otherwise we dishonor Him and are not worthy of the sacrifice He made.
#40793 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40795 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
It's like this: There's this huge party, but it's invitation-only. Before Jesus died, there was no way humans could get into the party. We all pissed off His dad so we were banned. Then Jesus comes along and gets His dad to lift the ban and give us all invites to the party. He didn't have to do that. He didn't owe us anything. He just did it because He's a nice guy. But now we owe Him for being so cool. So He's like, "Here's how you can pay me back. Just love me and love each other. And don't be dicks. Now here's a list of ways to not be dicks." So He gives us a list of new rules, and if we don't follow them, that's like we're saying "Look Jesus, it's cool that you got us into the party, but we don't really feel like showing our appreciation, so we're just gonna ignore your rules." Now imagine how that makes Jesus feel. He's probably like "Well shit, if you can't even do these simple things then I must not be that important to you. Guess you don't need these invites after all."

Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking "But Jokeface, the Bible says numerous times that salvation cannot be attained by simply following the laws of God." And you're right, but understand that what it means is, the law means nothing if you neglect your spiritual relationship with Christ. It's true, loving Jesus is the only way to be saved, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the law entirely. Remember that the law has the benefit of improving life on Earth. If we choose not to use it, then we are essentially choosing not to be worthy of life in heaven.
#40800 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40696 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40745 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
Slavery is a cheap source of labor that can easily fit into scarcity, with poor tribes at the time and resources being needed to be constantly attended Slavery also fills the answer to the question of what to do with enemies of war. Killing them is cruel in the morality that you present, and setting them free results in two options:
-Leave them with nothing as the war has taken its course, which branches off into the death of said peoples from starvation and lack of resources, or to the eventual rebuild and retaliation against the tribe/kingdom that attacked them
-Leave them with resources the tribe needs and cause suffering to the people of the victorious tribe for the sake of pity.

On another point altogether, the quote, and the book, are from the OT, which describe laws that were nullified with the sacrifice of Jesus Therefore, they are irreverent to the modern moral standards of modern Christians.
#40746 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40750 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I view it personally as a lesson from history, that everything that appears to be bad initially can yield beneficial results to the rest of us, meaning that tragedies that appear horrifying can actually bring unexpected benefits in the long run of society.

I can respect your skepticism of a personal god from moral argument, as this is a common controversy to many.
#40751 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40776 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
That is your own subjective reasoning then that is allowed to differ from mine. I respect you for having it, as the question of "God's plan" is a tough one that many people, including firm believers, ask. Yet, a world without any strife is paradise. A paradise world with mortal humans may not be ideal.
#40780 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40781 - passivevoyage (08/30/2013) [-]
I don't want to force my belief onto you, I only ask for an understanding, but many Christians believe that this was the point of Jesus on Earth.
#40783 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40810 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Again, a lotta that stuff got contradicted. Removed. The OT comprises of the history leading up to Jesus, measurements and lists, laws, and other info like that. Chances are, this stuff fell under the "History" part of that.

It's a document, too. Not just a book with god speaking directly to us. It's the history of the older days that helps us understand Christianity, Jesus, and all that jazz.

....I'm WAY too tired right now to keep this up, so if you want I can do more research and help ya out a bit more some other time.
User avatar #40808 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
Hm...Again, perhaps a law thing? Like, perhaps in those days, the law stated that you couldn't own a slave/servant from your own country, for...whatever reason.

Honestly, I can't give a straight answer right off the bat for that, but I can look into it if you want. But again, laws and social norms changed a lot over time. I don't think it's a religion thing as much as it's a political thing.
#40809 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40805 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
A lot of stuff in the bible wasn't written directly by god, or meant in context.

Like, some of the books were letters, to other people. That got included for basic info, not for any real teaching. Like the book "Numbers" that literally is pretty much a huge list of measurements and surveys.

Plus, it had to be translated from Hebrew. So that's....pretty hard to do. A lot of words and statements in the bible were mistranslated, so there coulda been two different words being used. Like, "Servents", instead of "slaves".

But I think the big thing is, again, the context. Because it was a different language, and a different way of speaking, I think in this particular context the word "slave" sorta changes meaning part way through.

Like, again, a "slave" was basically a servant or butler back then. But I think the term "They must not be slaves" there meant that they must not be forced into labor against their will for no payment.

.. I could be wrong, though.
#40806 - princessren has deleted their comment.
User avatar #40802 - pankikilord (08/30/2013) [-]
My last reply.

Just for that top comment. "How could god let this stuff happen".

This get's a little into an opinionated ideal here. But...The way I see it, God wants us to follow willingly. He doesn't want to affect our lives too much, or to push us into following. He wants us to make the choice to do so.

It's kind like...We gotta sort our own stuff out. Because, all this horrible stuff that's happening...it's all done by humans. Everyone who does an act of horrid evil makes the choice to do so. And it's about choice. The choice to be evil, or the choice to be good.

But if that choice wasn't there, what would be the point? God could make robots to do his bidding by force, but he wants US. US, made in his image, given free will, and given the choice/freedom to do whatever we want, even if some stuff we do comes at a cost or has a bad outcome.

...I'll stop talking now, before I bore ya to death.
#40803 - princessren has deleted their comment.
#40685 - I hate the sin, not the sinner. See my comment above. 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40684 - Hate the sin, not the sinner. God hates homosexuality, because…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/29/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #40700 - kesolukt (08/29/2013) [-]
So how do you go about doing that? Hating a concept I mean
User avatar #40777 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
When we educate others about our faith, we discourage sin, obviously, and that includes homosexuality. Some people take that to the extreme like the Westboro Cult, and that's bad. They preach hatred to humanity itself, and that goes against what the Bible teaches. The proper way to go about it is this: Live your life for Christ, as He commands you to live. You'll slip up sometimes but that's forgivable, just keep trying to be faithful to Him. When you come across someone sinning, you might discourage them from the sin, but if they refuse to repent, still show them love and kindness, but do not do anything that aids in their transgression. Only do things that help them return to the path of righteousness. Do not help them fall astray. So, in the case of homosexuality, we should love them as they are our fellow humans, and treat them with kindness and decency, but not help them perpetuate their sexuality.
User avatar #40833 - kesolukt (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes absolutly, I have plenty of christian friends and was raised a (lutheran) christian too so I know what you mean. I just questioned your choice of words; you said we should hate the sin(homosexuality).
User avatar #40855 - jokeface (08/30/2013) [-]
Well hate is a tricky word. Depending on the context, its meaning changes. For example, Jesus told us that to follow Him we would have to "hate" our friends and family. And that's caused some confusion for people who don't fully understand what He was talking about. In that instance, He just meant that our love for Him must be so strong that our love for anyone else is like hatred by comparison. But elsewhere in the Bible, it is repeatedly said that we are to love one another as God loves us (which is fully and unconditionally). But through Jesus Christ, sin has been separated from the sinner.

Here, I took this excerpt from a website:

Most religious people agree that God hates sin. Over and over, the Bible stresses the fact that God despises iniquity. God told the prophet Jeremiah to speak to the Israelites about their sin, saying: “Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I hate!” (44:4). The Proverbs writer listed seven sins the Lord hates (6:16-19). The prophet Zechariah declared that God hates a false oath and evil done to one’s neighbor (8:17). Jesus Himself said that He hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6). The Bible emphasizes that the Lord hates sin.
User avatar #41160 - kesolukt (08/31/2013) [-]
Oh, well that's a very important part that most people(christian or not) should know more about. The fact that it should be hatred by comparison to unconditional love and not really hate.
User avatar #41228 - jokeface (09/01/2013) [-]
Indeed, I've had more than one discussion concerning the controversial implications of that verse.
User avatar #40720 - darkrighteosnight (08/30/2013) [-]
Umm... You've made a mistake in your life before right? Did something stupid, lied to some one, blahblahblah. Now you probably hate that, don't you. But you don't necessarily hate yourself for it.
User avatar #40834 - kesolukt (08/30/2013) [-]
Yes but that's not something put into practice, is it? That's why i asked the question, I wondered how you go about doing it.
#217 - No because a financial adviser can **** you over … 08/29/2013 on (untitled) -1
#215 - "In God We Trust" is not an invitation to discard al…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/29/2013 on (untitled) -1
User avatar #216 - godtherapist (08/29/2013) [-]
Belief in god is a leap of faith.

Trust in God is like having the boogeyman as your financial adviser.
User avatar #217 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
No because a financial adviser can fuck you over and ruin your life. If God's real, He won't fuck you over, and if He's not real, then He can't. It's a win-win.
#41 - It was an exaggeration. I apologize. But it's still a pro-athe…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/28/2013 on (untitled) -2
User avatar #119 - godtherapist (08/28/2013) [-]
No, it is an anti-stupid joke. Just because you have Religious beliefs does not mean you should just ignore all of the technological advancements we have made as a species. I mean when was the last time you thought to yourself "Man Doctors are really trying to prove the bible wrong because they tell me to eat right and exercise."

Science =/= Atheist.
User avatar #215 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
"In God We Trust" is not an invitation to discard all scientific progress. Most Christians will agree that science is crucial to our well-being. But the implication of this picture is that being religious automatically means we're anti-science, which is a ridiculous accusation.
User avatar #216 - godtherapist (08/29/2013) [-]
Belief in god is a leap of faith.

Trust in God is like having the boogeyman as your financial adviser.
User avatar #217 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
No because a financial adviser can fuck you over and ruin your life. If God's real, He won't fuck you over, and if He's not real, then He can't. It's a win-win.
#17 - Atheists are making fun of America's faith in God compared to …  [+] (9 new replies) 08/28/2013 on (untitled) -22
User avatar #34 - godtherapist (08/28/2013) [-]
>Over 60% of Canada is Christian.
>Over 30% of Canada is Catholic
>Solely in Science.

Seems legit.
User avatar #41 - jokeface (08/28/2013) [-]
It was an exaggeration. I apologize. But it's still a pro-atheist joke. Can we agree on that?
User avatar #119 - godtherapist (08/28/2013) [-]
No, it is an anti-stupid joke. Just because you have Religious beliefs does not mean you should just ignore all of the technological advancements we have made as a species. I mean when was the last time you thought to yourself "Man Doctors are really trying to prove the bible wrong because they tell me to eat right and exercise."

Science =/= Atheist.
User avatar #215 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
"In God We Trust" is not an invitation to discard all scientific progress. Most Christians will agree that science is crucial to our well-being. But the implication of this picture is that being religious automatically means we're anti-science, which is a ridiculous accusation.
User avatar #216 - godtherapist (08/29/2013) [-]
Belief in god is a leap of faith.

Trust in God is like having the boogeyman as your financial adviser.
User avatar #217 - jokeface (08/29/2013) [-]
No because a financial adviser can fuck you over and ruin your life. If God's real, He won't fuck you over, and if He's not real, then He can't. It's a win-win.
#23 - Edensfire (08/28/2013) [-]
Well.... Canada has plenty of religion. They dont solely belive in science.
#83 - nehger (08/28/2013) [-]
Religion and science are not two opposites and they can co-exist. Believing in god is merely a philosophical question. religious people don't ignore science and they do ask questions about the universe. Many scientists throughout history have been religious, and even the greatest minds (Einstein, Newton,Galileo Galilei) weren't atheists.
#58 - adu (08/28/2013) [-]
Well it's not like you have to pick one over the other, only biblical literalists and other extremists believe that.
#40582 - The fact that all living things are created by God are exactly…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
#40580 - As I said, Satan's modus operandi is to lie, deceive, trick, a…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #40581 - cleverguy (08/28/2013) [-]
except the evidence for evolution isn't only in the fossil record, its also in DNA which i dont think satan could mess with since all living things are supposedly creations of God
User avatar #40582 - jokeface (08/28/2013) [-]
The fact that all living things are created by God are exactly why the DNA is similar. If you draw a person and then draw a dog, the artistic styles are going to be similar because they were both drawn by you.
#40578 - And why is that?  [+] (5 new replies) 08/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #40579 - cleverguy (08/28/2013) [-]
because it's faulty logic. i can claim anything was made up by satan, but there is no reason to think it was made up by satan
User avatar #40580 - jokeface (08/28/2013) [-]
As I said, Satan's modus operandi is to lie, deceive, trick, and manipulate, in an effort to turn people away from God. And creating a worldwide hoax to convince people of a false history is a great way to do that.
User avatar #40581 - cleverguy (08/28/2013) [-]
except the evidence for evolution isn't only in the fossil record, its also in DNA which i dont think satan could mess with since all living things are supposedly creations of God
User avatar #40582 - jokeface (08/28/2013) [-]
The fact that all living things are created by God are exactly why the DNA is similar. If you draw a person and then draw a dog, the artistic styles are going to be similar because they were both drawn by you.
#138 - I see. That's interesting. I just said that because flagger so…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/28/2013 on JUST SAY IT +1
#139 - marcury (08/28/2013) [-]
Yes, I figured.

I thought you might like to know that though.
Show:
Sort by:
Order:

items

Total unique items point value: 2050 / Total items point value: 2050

Comments(562):

[ 562 comments ]

Show All Replies Show Shortcuts
Per page:
Order:
What do you think? Give us your opinion. Anonymous comments allowed.
#572 - tridaak ONLINE (09/02/2014) [-]
#573 to #572 - jokeface (09/02/2014) [-]
A shiny!

I shall cherish this gift forever.
#574 to #573 - tridaak ONLINE (09/02/2014) [-]
Hey
Hey
User avatar #575 to #574 - jokeface (09/02/2014) [-]
Hey
User avatar #552 - justsomechickyo (06/13/2014) [-]
yo! soooo umm I know this is really random, but what are some good verus for like hope and paitence? idk it's a long story but i'm way stressed and I know you usually have some pretty insightful ideas......thanks!
User avatar #553 to #552 - jokeface (06/13/2014) [-]
"Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him." - James 1:12

"but they who wait for the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint." - Isaiah 40:31

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. For just as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ." - II Corinthians 1:3-5

"For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope." - Romans 15:4

"And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you." - I Peter 5:10
User avatar #554 to #553 - jokeface (06/13/2014) [-]
I could find more if you want me to.
User avatar #555 to #554 - justsomechickyo (06/14/2014) [-]
Naw this is great! Thanks so much!
User avatar #556 to #555 - jokeface (06/14/2014) [-]
No problem, happy to be of assistance. May I ask what's troubling you, that you found yourself needing reassurance?
User avatar #557 to #556 - justsomechickyo (06/14/2014) [-]
Well my bf went to jail yesterday and I'm really bummed out about it......I waited for him while he was in prison for a long time and he's only out for r a moth then this happened......now idk wat will happen w/ him or us
User avatar #558 to #557 - jokeface (06/14/2014) [-]
Damn. That's rough. I'm sorry that happened, and I'll certainly pray for both of you. You know, it's my firm belief that God doesn't allow bad things to happen in the world without opening doors for good things to come from them. It's definite;y distressing that this happened, but at the same time, think of it as an opportunity to grow in your strength and faithfulness. When you put your trust in Christ, He provides comfort, and He will stand by you in times of great pain. And the pain will pass. It, like everything else on Earth, is finite. But the love and grace of God is eternal. Let Him guide you through this trial, and I guarantee you'll come out stronger on the other side.
User avatar #559 to #558 - justsomechickyo (06/14/2014) [-]
Thank you so much! Ya I know it will pass and I'm trying to stay strong but it's tough......I should really be focused on myself right now anyways.....I'm trying to get sober and that's enough of a challenge in itself. I know God is here for me and I will get through this all w/ him by my side
User avatar #560 to #559 - jokeface (06/14/2014) [-]
Here, this song might bring you some comfort/support:

Sidewalk Prophets - "The Words I Would Say" with Lyrics
User avatar #550 - thebritishguy (02/02/2014) [-]
Do you know any good theist youtubers?
User avatar #561 to #550 - jokeface (07/17/2014) [-]
Update: I've been on Youtube a lot more than I used to be and I know a few more of the big names on there now. John Green is one of my favorites, and he's a Christian. But he's very soft-spoken about it and keeps his videos very impartial. Here's one of the only videos where he talks about religion:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXlI8Wn8J3Q
User avatar #563 to #561 - thebritishguy (07/18/2014) [-]
I met this born again rapper at college, he's not a bad rapper, although he rejects reason in favour of faith by his own volition.
soundcloud.com/panterforever
User avatar #565 to #563 - jokeface (07/19/2014) [-]
What sort of reason does he reject?
User avatar #567 to #565 - thebritishguy (07/19/2014) [-]
Just the principles in philosophy like logic, he says that if people study philosophy, science and reason then they will turn away from God. So you must fear reason and logic as God is illogical and unreasonable. It's strange how much I agreed with him. I was dumbfounded.
User avatar #569 to #567 - jokeface (07/19/2014) [-]
Yea see, that's where I draw the line. I don't believe that reason and faith automatically have to oppose each other. I believe that sometimes they do, but I don't think it's always the case. As I've said before, most science I find very reliable and even necessary to human existence. Without science we wouldn't have most medicines and technology that allows us to live our everyday lives. The Christians who reject all science give us a bad name. They don't realize that they are the product of science. Maybe not physiologically, but psychologically, they grew up in a world that was shaped by it. They depend on it even without realizing it.
User avatar #570 to #569 - thebritishguy (07/19/2014) [-]
I just held up my phone and said
"This was built on the basis of scientific principles and theories, if science has no value and is innacurate, if the theories are just guesses and the scientists were deluded, it should not work"
Then I turned it on, at that point though he just caved in and said he was not interested in debating and whatever I say will not change his mind, so there was no point in it.

I think it's because a lot of people think it is either science or God when this is of course not the case. I consider faith to be apart from reason though because it is elementary that what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
User avatar #571 to #570 - jokeface (07/19/2014) [-]
And you have every right to feel that way. I completely understand that mindset.
User avatar #562 to #561 - thebritishguy (07/18/2014) [-]
He's incredibly vague, he never really answered the question
User avatar #564 to #562 - jokeface (07/19/2014) [-]
Agreed, but he does that intentionally. As he said, the way people handle religion on the internet is very sloppy, and my guess is he feels that if he expressed his religious views outwardly, he would appear narrow-minded and bigoted, and he is very much NOT that. In fact, I've only ever heard him admit to being a Christian once, maybe twice, in all of his videos that I've seen. He doesn't ever say anything preachy, ever, and he doesn't let his faith define his character. So really, it wouldn't matter what his beliefs were, he'd still be the same person.
User avatar #566 to #564 - thebritishguy (07/19/2014) [-]
I'll check out more of his videos tommorow. It doesn't seem like he is taking a cut throat rationalist aproach though but more of an emotional appeal.
User avatar #568 to #566 - jokeface (07/19/2014) [-]
That's what I thought too, and I don't like when people do that, but I understand why they do it. And considering that so many of his videos are educational, and the fact that he and his brother also host a second channel specifically for academic learning (called CrashCourse in case you're interested), it makes sense that he's trying to reach as many people as possible, and quite frankly, he doesn't actually need to have a particular religious stance in order to be that kind of YouTuber.
User avatar #551 to #550 - jokeface (02/03/2014) [-]
I don't really know any Youtubers, let alone theist ones. The only one I really like is TomSka, and I don't know what he believes.
User avatar #548 - thebritishguy (01/04/2014) [-]
I don't know what this means
"'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matthew 12:22-32).

So what actually is this unforgivable sin please?
#546 - snood (12/20/2013) [-]
Hey i just read a lot of your comments about Christianity. You're one of the good ones on here, at least from what i saw. Keep it up.
User avatar #547 to #546 - jokeface (12/20/2013) [-]
Thank you. I try to be good.
#541 - thebritishguy (07/22/2013) [-]
What do you think about Zimmerman? I think he was innocent, he just pulled a family out of a burning SUV!
User avatar #542 to #541 - jokeface (07/22/2013) [-]
I have mixed feelings about Zimmerman. On the one hand I don't support killing people, even in self defense. But on the other hand, I believe his testimony and understand why he shot the kid. If it had been me, and I was being attacked, I might have shot him, but not fatally. I would have tried to shoot his leg or something to just injure him so that I could gain control of the situation. But ultimately, from a legal standpoint and not a religious one, I consider him innocent.
#543 to #542 - thebritishguy (07/23/2013) [-]
From what the evidence shows I would have shot him but many people doubt the evidence. The way the media portrayed him was really silly I thought, he had several reasons why he was suspicious of Trayvon, it was raining and he was wandering around leisurely staring at houses, there were recent break ins in the area and the particular house Treyvon was looking at had been left unlocked on previous occasions. Yet the media insists that race is the sole reason Zimmerman not only was suspicious of Trayvon, but even why he shot him.
User avatar #544 to #543 - jokeface (07/23/2013) [-]
Yea I really don't think race had anything to do with it.
#537 - anonymous (06/09/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wWQgGTAlk
is this you? I assume you made that slinky video so therefore this guy would have to be you
User avatar #538 to #537 - jokeface (06/09/2013) [-]
I didn't make the slinky video, I just found it and thought it was cool. And no, that's not me. Number one I don't have access to giant shellfish, and number two I wouldn't be caught dead without my trilby hat.
User avatar #535 - josieabby (04/13/2013) [-]
I just wanted you to know that your "Thrift Shop" thread with taxation was one of the most epic things I've ever seen. I put the song on so I could sing your lyrics over it. I'm gonna have a perma-grin for at least a week!
User avatar #536 to #535 - jokeface (04/13/2013) [-]
Haha, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. I just wish we could have done the entire song. But I ran out of ideas lol.
#502 - thebritishguy (03/24/2013) [-]
what do you think about atheist church's? there's one in England they just give science lectures, sing pop songs and comedians come on. I'd love to go
User avatar #503 to #502 - jokeface (03/24/2013) [-]
Sounds awesome. Of course, I wouldn't agree with them denouncing the belief in God, but other than that it sounds like it'd be fun. Why do they call it a church though?
User avatar #504 to #503 - thebritishguy (03/24/2013) [-]
I think it is just that there aren't really any other names for that sort of thing
The word church originally just meant a meeting place but I get what you mean
#496 - necessary **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #497 to #496 - jokeface (03/24/2013) [-]
She was supposed to come up a few weeks ago but she never did. And I finally got fed up with not being able to see her, and so I put our relationship on hold until she comes up here. I'd go down to see her myself but I live on my own now and have a bunch of expenses that prevent me from being able to.
#498 to #497 - necessary **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #499 to #498 - jokeface (03/24/2013) [-]
Yea.
#473 - thebritishguy (03/17/2013) [-]
Are you worried about North Korea?
User avatar #479 to #473 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
Lmao, north korea is not a threat.
User avatar #482 to #479 - thebritishguy (03/18/2013) [-]
well China and Russia are and they have relations also the citizens of North Korea will be screwed
User avatar #483 to #482 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
Yes they do, but I've told you. If north korea attacks us, they lose support, and if such an event happened. They'd turn into a nuclear crater.
User avatar #484 to #483 - thebritishguy (03/18/2013) [-]
I suppose, it's still sad for all the poor North Koreans
User avatar #485 to #484 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
Oh well.

User avatar #474 to #473 - jokeface (03/17/2013) [-]
Define "worried".
#475 to #474 - thebritishguy (03/17/2013) [-]
uuum like scared that world war 3 will begin or the civilians of North Korea will be nuked like Hiroshima , they have connections with Russia and China and have the fourth biggest military, Kim Jong Un told his troops to prepare for war and they always do nuclear weapon testing. On the other hand South Korea thinks they are just trying to get attention and trying to look big.
User avatar #476 to #475 - jokeface (03/17/2013) [-]
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. - Matthew 24:6-7

I'm a little nervous of how it might affect people on a personal level, yes. But I know it's coming and I've accepted that fact, because as Jesus said, the end is not yet.
User avatar #480 to #476 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
Lmao, taking the bible seriously.

Gee, Jaime, you get into unusual stuff.
User avatar #486 to #480 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
I'm afraid I don't get that reference.
User avatar #487 to #486 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
You're Christian/Catholic/Whatever.

Laughable. Possibly..
User avatar #489 to #487 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
Why is it laughable? Or, to be more specific, why am I more laughable than other Christians?
User avatar #490 to #489 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
I find all Christians laughable on an equal level.

However, evolutionary theists have a special place in my colon.
User avatar #491 to #490 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
And why is that?
User avatar #492 to #491 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
They're naturally trained to ******** their way through an argument.

No matter what you say, it somehow fits in with science, or it's metaphorical, just...something to at the very least neutralize the argument given to them.
User avatar #477 to #476 - thebritishguy (03/17/2013) [-]
hmmm this supports my psycho analysis of the God delusion.
"When people make decisions they use their Ego to decide what to do, the ego is where morality comes from and is sometimes called the "soul" according to Frued. When people base their morality and decisions based on what they think a God says the God becomes the ego. This is supported by the fact people ignore/highlight certain verses and lessons if they agree/disagree with them rather than getting a true perspective of the characters to keep the character as their ego rather than having to separate God from ego. It is also supported by people using words like "reject" and why religious people are so protective of their Gods and are personally insulted when people criticise their Gods. Also the emotions they feel when some theists talk to atheists are similar to those of rejection, when an atheist doesn't believe in God they are not rejecting the proposed God and yet they use that word, it seems to me that they use the word reject because they feel they are being rejected"
User avatar #478 to #477 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
Quite insightful. However allow me to make a few counterarguments.

From the perspective of someone who believes God exists as described in the Bible, consider that such a being would indeed have dominion over morality and, yes, even the ego of those who choose to submit to Him. That being said, can you really blame us for it?

As for your point about verses, understand that I don't ignore any of the Bible. At most, I don't apply the laws that Jesus and Paul said are no longer relevant. It's like studying slavery. We don't have slaves anymore, but that doesn't stop us from learning about the slavery that existed years and years ago. In the same way, some parts of the Bible, such as Mosaic Law, are now obsolete, but that doesn't stop us from learning about it.

Lastly, I don't think that's entirely why theists react the way they do to atheists. Because that would imply that theists view atheists as the "popular kids" and they feel excluded from them. Such is not the case. I mean, that might be said for some people, but speaking for myself and many others, being a theist among atheists is more like being in a special club with amazing benefits, and you can invite as many people as you want, but nobody else wants to join. And it hurts, yes, but not because we feel rejected; Rather, we're simply disappointed that no one else wants to share in our joy.
#481 to #478 - thebritishguy (03/18/2013) [-]
so then why would God make the morality so different? all of our morals are different and change over time, if I was born in the 60's I would probably have different morals than I do now, if I was born in Afghanistan I would have different morals, therefore morality must be something we learn to an extent (we all share common morals like murder, lying and stealing is wrong) rather than God given and also this would intrude on free will. When you think of God I'm sure you don't think about when he ordered the deaths of millions of people or the time he sent bears to kill children for making fun of a bald guy but you pay attention to all the nice verses or like how you ignore the part in the bible were Jesus said to give away all your money or that for some odd reason God dislikes ordinary things that you probably do every day.
I'm not implying theists desperately want atheists to like them I'm saying that when I say "God is a dictator" people start saying I personally attacked them when I didn't
User avatar #488 to #481 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
What you say about common morals is true, and those are the ones which I believe God instills in us. But it's not an intrusion on free will because the morality God gives us is just instinct, and we have the freedom to either give in or resist that instinct. And I do think about everything in the Bible (or at least, everything I can remember, since I haven't been able to memorize all of it). I know God did some crazy **** in the past, but that doesn't take away from the importance of His words now. We don't ignore any of it. Or at least, the Christians I know don't ignore any of it. I'm sure there are some who do but I don't condone it. God gave us the entire Bible so that we could learn from the entire Bible.
User avatar #493 to #488 - thebritishguy (03/18/2013) [-]
I would have thought your morals would have come from the bible as you don't think sex before marriage is good for instance. Well I have never heard about all the horrible and contradictory things in the bible at Sunday school or in church I only heard about the nice (well they cartooned it to make it seem nice) stuff and how God was great. Never heard about the rape, incest, slavery, stoning, homophobia, sexism etc. until I became and atheist. do you know how the bible was written?
User avatar #494 to #493 - jokeface (03/18/2013) [-]
Some of it. I know the first five books (called the Pentateuch) were written by Moses. I don't remember who write the rest of the Old Testament. The Four Gospels were written by their namesakes: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John the Apostle. Acts was written by Luke, and Paul wrote the 21 Epistles. And Revelation was written by John the Apostle. It was completed almost 150 years after Jesus' death (about AD 150).
User avatar #495 to #494 - thebritishguy (03/18/2013) [-]
They are the scriptures. The first Christians needed a book to read to their people so they all met up and have a long conversation about which books to add and which ones to exclude based on what they wanted to teach. The first Christians already burnt a few scriptures which are amusing (there was one were Jesus tamed dragons) but they complied them together and then gave them to really good authors to edit so that they all fit together. there's a documentary on it
http://www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=phyN5tWUIUI
User avatar #463 - ragnarfag (03/14/2013) [-]
It seems Thebritishguy is quite intrusive on your profil, would you consider as him a friend or as more of a rivle?
User avatar #465 to #463 - jokeface (03/15/2013) [-]
He is what I call a "lost one". I feel no enmity toward him, but rather sadness at his adamant stance against the faith. However, he seems intelligent and his debate style is intellectually stimulating, so I imagine he would be fun to talk to about other issues, even if we disagree on those as well.
#464 to #463 - anonymous (03/15/2013) [-]
thebritishguy is a troll
User avatar #466 to #464 - jokeface (03/15/2013) [-]
Why would an anon come to my page? I suspect you are Thebritishguy, having been summoned by the calling of your name, and you replied to it as an anon. If that is the case, your "trolling" efforts are uninspiring.
User avatar #468 to #466 - thebritishguy (03/15/2013) [-]
I'm not sure how to prove that he is not me but...he's not me
#469 to #468 - anonymous (03/15/2013) [-]
what are you talking about? you're definitely me
User avatar #470 to #469 - thebritishguy (03/15/2013) [-]
if you were me why would you reply to my comment, unless it was me and this was a double bluff, but if it was a double bluff I would not mention it is a double bluff because I'd want you to fall for it
#471 to #470 - anonymous (03/16/2013) [-]
lol jk. it really is me, thebritishguy. i'd like to admit that i'm only an atheist because i was molested
User avatar #472 to #471 - thebritishguy (03/16/2013) [-]
see it's not me...unless this was a triple bluff FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
#467 to #466 - anonymous (03/15/2013) [-]
man, you got me all figured out...
User avatar #427 - thebritishguy (03/11/2013) [-]
I am more moral than God, I believe no one deserves to be burnt alive for eternity, slavery is wrong, we should all be treated equal, witches don't...wait witches don't even exist, I'm not homophobic , I am against genocide, I don't demand constant worship, I don't threaten people so they agree with me. Surely you are also more moral than God?
User avatar #532 to #427 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
To say God is anything less than perfect is to say that He doesn't meet the "proper" standards of decency. And if that's the case, then I have to ask, who has set the proper standards? Certainly no human. We're all flawed. So who are we to decide what's right or wrong? God is without flaw because there is no one to set standards for Him. Therefore only He can set standards, and if He is the standard, then anyone who doesn't match Him is wrong. Ergo, He is perfect.
#533 to #532 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
God is perfect?
User avatar #534 to #533 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
God is above the laws He sets for humanity. He is not bound to follow them, and even so, they can't really be applied to His actions for certain reasons.

Godly wrath is not the same as the sinful wrath, because He has every right to bring judgment upon us. As I said, He's perfect, so his wrath is justified, whereas ours is hypocritical.

The reason He doesn't want us to worship other gods is because He knows they are not real and therefore our worship of them is wasteful, as well as disrespectful to Him, the one true God whom we should be worshiping.

God was never idle, except for on the last day of the week of Creation, and it wasn't because He was tired or lazy, it was because He was setting a model for all of humanity to live by.

People do not hunger because God deprives them, but because we do. As agents of Christ we are called to help our fellow man, and if people starve because we fail to feed them, that's on us, not God. It's one of the duties we accepted when we chose to fall away from Him.

Once again, being perfect, He has every right to advertise Himself as such and demand people to worship. When He condemns humans for being prideful it's because we don't have anything to be proud of by His standards. Maybe by our own, but since we're not the standard, our own self-satisfaction doesn't count as praise-worthy.

God commands us to give to the poor and needy, not to Him. That is not greed.

He is not lustful, either. Lust would mean He gets sexually aroused, which He doesn't. I think whoever made this list just got to lust and couldn't think of anything so they just threw that one in their without much thought.
User avatar #430 to #427 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
God never condoned slavery, "witches" in the Bible are referring to people like Wiccans and others who practice magic (that is, magic that is taken seriously, not magic tricks), God doesn't fear anyone or anything so He cannot be homophobic, and frankly it doesn't matter what your personal opinions are because just because you disagree doesn't make you right. God's word is infallible and His doctrines are perfect. No human can ever be more moral than God. Hell, no human can ever be as moral as God.
#431 to #430 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
The bible never says anything about it not being real which is kind of ******* important seeing as millions of innocent people were killed because they were "witches". You know that homophobic doesn't mean scared lol it means you hate gay people. If you think it is perfect then go burn a witch! oh no wait you aren't going to do that you are going to ignore it like all the rest of the bible, if you thought it was perfect you would live by it, you would sell your computer and give the money to charity like Jesus said.
User avatar #539 to #431 - teoberry (07/11/2013) [-]
Homophobic

Phobic - one who has a fear of something (adjc. of phobia)

Phobia - a fear of something

Jeez British, lrn2english
User avatar #540 to #539 - thebritishguy (07/11/2013) [-]
faggot
noun [C usually plural] (WOOD) (US also fagot)
/ˈfæɡ.ət/ old-fashioned
Definition
› sticks of wood, tied together and used as fuel for a fire

hmmm I guess when people say faggot on the internet they are talking about bundles of sticks.
You know as well as I do that homophobes aren't simply terryfied of gay people, it also means if they have contempt towards homosexuals, particularly in this culture.
User avatar #432 to #431 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
Obviously it can't be talking about real witches since humans can't do magic unless God gives them powers, and the only people He gave powers to were the Disciples.

And God doesn't hate gay people, He loves everyone.

And we're not ignoring the Bible, in fact, paying closer attention to it is exactly why we don't follow Mosaic Law. Because Jesus and Paul both clarified that it wasn't required after the Crucifixion.
User avatar #433 to #432 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
Jesus also said to sell everything and give it to the poor and a rich man can't get into heaven. the question is whether God is a moral person, he said homosexual acts are an abomination and you should kill them. If the writers of the bible didn't believe in witches why the **** didn't they say they didn't exist and it wasn't real? instead they had loads of rules on witchcraft, it's not like there was a word limit. don't be the interpreter
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLOUWl-L-s
User avatar #458 to #433 - jokeface (03/13/2013) [-]
God didn't adopt the attitudes of men, men adopted the attitudes of God.

And it doesn't matter if God is benevolent or not, because it doesn't change the way the system works. We worship Jesus so we can go to heaven, or else we go to hell. That's a fact, regardless of whether or not God appeals to your personal preferences.

And yes, I know you don't believe in Him anyway, but for the sake of argument, let's say God revealed Himself to everyone, to the point where He could not be denied by anyone, and He confirmed to us that everything in the Bible is an accurate depiction of both Him and the afterlife. Are you going to sit there and tell me that you would accept eternity in hell just because God doesn't base all His decisions around what you think they should be?
User avatar #461 to #458 - thebritishguy (03/13/2013) [-]
******** , guys had those attitudes before the bible was written, your God is similar to many other Gods in mythology, if God revealed himslef I would worship him out of blind fear I guess but that's not going to happen
User avatar #462 to #461 - jokeface (03/14/2013) [-]
I'm sure they did have those attitudes before the Bible was written, but what I'm saying is, the authors that wrote those things in the Bible only wrote them because God told them to. It doesn't matter what their personal feelings were, even if they agreed with them. That wasn't their motive. And if you admit that you would worship God out of blind fear then how can you judge us for doing the same?
User avatar #500 to #462 - thebritishguy (03/24/2013) [-]
I wouldn't say it was blind fear why Christians worship God, but there is barely any evidence for God. What I'm saying is do you think it's a coincidence that a benevolent and just God had the same attitudes as the homophobic slave owners of thousands of years ago? If he is real then those homophobic slave owners were perfect and should carry on ******* slaves. However it is really obvious that it was those people who wrote the book so they could justify having sex and beating their slaves among other things
User avatar #505 to #500 - jokeface (03/24/2013) [-]
God never said we should have slaves, and neither did the Bible. The most we're told about slaves is that if you are a slave, you should be kind and obedient to your master, because violent rebellion would be sinful. That's a commandment for the slave, not the slave owner.
#506 to #505 - thebritishguy (03/24/2013) [-]
just ignore the Old Testament why don't you
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
I would argue religion is slavery as shown in this picture
User avatar #507 to #506 - jokeface (03/24/2013) [-]
Mosaic Law only applied to specific groups of Israelites at the time they were given. They became overruled when Jesus died.

And that picture is beautiful. I'm not even kidding. I'm inspired by it.
User avatar #508 to #507 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
stock·holm syn·drome
Noun
Feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.
regardless of whether you follow it or not it is written in the bible and supposedly said by your God, my point still stands. Also the New Testament never says that slavery is wrong it says slaves should be good so it is on the side of the slave masters
User avatar #509 to #508 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
Yea, there's a lot of names that make it sound bad, but the fact is that we're perfectly adjusted and functional, so there's nothing wrong with having faith. Submission to God has no negative impacts on a person's life. All it does is ensure our place in heaven after we die.
User avatar #511 to #509 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
it had a bad impact on my life, I used to cry because I thought millions of people will be or are burning in hell, I find it quite bizarre that no body else seems to care. I used to feel guilty for doing normal things like fapping. Stockholm syndrome originated when hostages defended their captor. Their reasoning was that he was good because he didn't kill or beat them and they loved him because he didn't abuse them physically, this is very similar to religion.
User avatar #515 to #511 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
I don't know what you mean by "nobody else seems to care." As Christians we care a great deal about the dangers of hell and naturally we aim to save as many people as possible from it. As for fapping, the Bible doesn't actually say anything about it. A lot of people like to reference some quote about it being better for your seed to fall into the belly of a whore than on the ground, but that's never mentioned in the Bible. As for the Stockholm Syndrome, I understand the connection your making, but the difference is that in that situation the kidnapper has done something bad by kidnapping the person. God's done nothing wrong to us. He's only done good and perfect things. He's not a villain, He's a hero.
#516 to #515 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
did you just skip the entire old testament? just the simple fact that you believe he will burn me alive for eternity should be enough to say he is a cunt Jesus ******* Christ
User avatar #521 to #516 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
Why does that make Him a cunt? He's a just God. Everything He does is perfect. All human beings deserve to burn for eternity because we all have wickedness in our hearts. But He has offered us salvation in spite of that, and that makes Him benevolent.
#529 to #521 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
so when I burn alive it is justice? you ass hole! you need to get therapy for your severe Stockholm syndrome. It is like Jesus is your abusive boyfriend and he has told you that you are a piece of **** and worthless and disgusting but if you love him you are good. It is the same tactics abusive partners use to manipulate and control people
User avatar #530 to #529 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
You keep saying that, but I don't get what you think I should do about it. How is it helpful for you to inform me of this similarity?
User avatar #531 to #530 - thebritishguy (03/25/2013) [-]
I just want you to realise common tactics religions use to control people and that your God isn't a cool dude he is a controlling dictator. come on man if someone sends people to burn and be tortured for eternity and you think they're perfect something is wrong with you
User avatar #510 to #509 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
"There's nothing wrong with faith."

Sure, but it goes against the scientific nature of humans.

Our society exists on the structure of scientific discoveries, which is the exact opposite of faith. Faith is "idunoo lol, but i believe in it" while science takes a more reasonable approach forming extremely good hypothesis', testing them, making sure everything fits right.

I'm not saying your belief is completely wrong, I'm just saying it has absolutely no value to society in our era..
User avatar #523 to #510 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have graphic and frightening things in it, because it does. I'm saying that the things we're supposed to be doing (covered thoroughly in the New Testament) are all good. Most of the violence and objectionable stuff is in the Old Testament, but we're not supposed to be doing that stuff.
User avatar #524 to #523 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
The new testament is still quite graphic, not to mention God in the old testament was a pretty huge dick, as well. He was extremely EXTREMELY malevolent then.
User avatar #525 to #524 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
No, He was extremely just back then.
User avatar #526 to #525 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
You're either a troll, or a really moronic human. Guessing both.
User avatar #527 to #526 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
Neither. God gave us very simple commandments, and we continually choose to disobey Him. Why would we deserve His love or grace? We don't. It's a gift. The most amazing gift we could ever hope for. That makes Him benevolent.
User avatar #528 to #527 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
lol
User avatar #512 to #510 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
I didn't say it was in line with scientific nature, I just said it only has positive consequences.
User avatar #513 to #512 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
Considering I was never truly apart of this conversation...What positive aspects other than some sort of denialistic stuff?
User avatar #514 to #513 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
It grants us access to heaven, which gives us hope and peace of mind until we die. Also the Bible is full of good morals and lessons on how to be a better person.
User avatar #517 to #514 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
1. To a place that you don't know exists, okay..
2. I said without denialsm..
3. lol, no.
User avatar #520 to #517 - jokeface (03/25/2013) [-]
1. I trust the testimonials of all the people who claim to have seen heaven when they had near-death experiences.
2. What denialism? I'm not denying anything.
3. No what? What are you referring to?
User avatar #522 to #520 - jingleforth (03/25/2013) [-]
1. Near-death experiences have easily been explained, not to mention people in those times had no scientific knowledge. That's why the Greeks thought earthquakes were caused by a guy shaking his head..
2. Not explaining, too much trouble.
3. The bible has tons of immoral stuff in it. Now, you can easily ******** your way through it and ignore the fact it's got a ton of disgusting stuff in it and claim all it's goodness even though I could ******* do it to just about any piece of literature..
#459 to #458 - say (03/13/2013) [-]
Imma christian, and I say just be a good person and serve your brothers (be a nice guy) whenever you have the option to be a dick instead, do what's right and you're good.

Also you gotta remember, the book was written by a bunch of old guys 2000+ years ago. they were wise, very, very, wise, but they lived in a time period where certain things that should be acceptable today weren't back then due to man made culture and beliefs, not god based, like being gay.
#501 to #459 - thebritishguy (03/24/2013) [-]
but why did your God agree with the people who wrote the book?
#545 to #501 - say (09/04/2013) [-]
who ever said he did?
User avatar #460 to #459 - jokeface (03/13/2013) [-]
I agree with loving your brother and refraining from being a dick, yes. That's something Jesus said was very important. But He said loving Him was just as important, if not more so.

And also, remember that those men were directly inspired by God. He put the words in their hearts and commanded them to write them down. Aside form the outdated Mosaic Law, there weren't really any commandments that lost their relevance. The only one I can think of is the one about women teaching. I researched that one and yes that one was relevant to both the current time period as well as the current place Paul was was speaking to. For reference, I invite you to go to this link:
http://godswordtowomen.org/fees.htm
...and Ctrl+F the phrase: "Scripture is Finally Explained". Those couple paragraphs give a very clear and insightful meaning of the verse.
User avatar #434 to #433 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
Jesus told one man to sell everything he had to follow Him. He wasn't saying every human should sell everything they own. And nowhere in the Bible are we commanded to kill homosexuals. All it says is that they shall be put to death. It doesn't say we are the ones who should put them to death. It means God will kill their souls. And we know this is the case because Jesus said not to kill anyone, and killing the gays would contradict this. So death of the spirit is the only possible way to interpret it.
User avatar #435 to #434 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
yes, killing the gays contradicts it, there are loads of contradictions in the bible, it says to kill loads of different people, I think we have had this conversation before it never says anything about the soul your just making **** up it also says that their blood shall be upon them but if God was taking their soul there would be no blood. He said a rich man won't enter heaven and he says on a number of occasions to sell your stuff and give to the poor, did you watch the video?
User avatar #437 to #435 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
Okay, I watched it. I'll concede to the thing about selling your possessions, but I still don't think He meant literally. Remember when He went into the temple and got angry at the people who were buying and selling there, and He started flipping tables and **** ? I think if He really wanted us to literally sell all our possessions, then He would be flipping tables every place He went. He'd always be scrutinizing people for owning things. No, what I think He means is to not let the possessions become more important than your loyalty to Him. That is, don't sell them from your ownership, but rather sell them from your heart. Let go of them spiritually, so that they don't prevent you from following Him.

The other part of the video I'll address is the thing about abolishing the old laws. Let me break it down for you:

Jesus said "I have not come to abolish [the old laws] but to fulfill them." What He means is that His arrival on Earth does not cancel or nullify the laws. They're still in place even though He has arrived, and because he is the Son of God, only He can fulfill them, because man is imperfect and can never fulfill the law. However, He goes on to say that nothing about the laws will change "until all is accomplished." What do you think He's referring to? I'll give you a hint: What did He come to Earth to do besides fulfill the law? He came to die. And right before He breathed His last breath, His last words were: "It is finished." That was it. That was Him declaring that the old law was obsolete and the new law would begin.

Then later in Galatians, the Apostle Paul write about how violation of the law no longer condemns us because Christ died to sanctify us in spite of sin: "[We] know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified...I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
User avatar #438 to #437 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
but God still told people to commit mass genocides and kill loads of innocent people, he's a cunt
User avatar #439 to #438 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
I really don't care what He said to do in the Old Testament. We don't worship Him because we agree with Him. We worship Him because He is the only one who can save us from hell. And that's infinitely more important than anything that happens on Earth.
User avatar #441 to #439 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
wouldn't you go to hell just for saying/thinking that? the thought police are on you now
User avatar #442 to #441 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
No, because that's exactly what Jesus told us to think. Every time He told us to have faith in Him, He said it was because only through Him would we enter heaven.
User avatar #443 to #442 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
he didn't say "ignore My Dad he's a dick" though
User avatar #444 to #443 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
No, but He did say that we weren't bound by the laws His dad had previously set.
#445 to #444 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
this reminds me of this, the way I see it the Christians wanted to separate themselves from the Jews so that's why they had Jesus saying these things, you still believe Gid is an asshole though right?
User avatar #446 to #445 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
I never believed God was an asshole. And the Christians didn't want to separate themselves from the Jews. The first Christians were Jews themselves. They just wanted everyone to worship Jesus with them. Read Galatians 2. It sheds some light on that issue.
User avatar #448 to #446 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
most Jews don't believe Jesus was a prophet also I think it was like 98% of jews just thought he was a hippie
User avatar #450 to #448 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
I know that Jews and Christians are very different now, but I'm saying when Christianity first began, that wasn't as much the case. Again, the first Christians were Jews.
User avatar #452 to #450 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
I saw a documentary about it, I think they wanted to make it clear that they were different from the Jews so that's why they had certain elements, don't you think it's a coincidence that your God had the same attitudes towards thing like homosexuality and women as the people who wrote the bible?
User avatar #454 to #452 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
I don't understand. Why would it be a coincidence?
User avatar #455 to #454 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
exactly, if an omniscient and benevolent God wrote it why would he have the same attitudes as 2000 year old dessert dwellers
User avatar #447 to #446 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
this in the belief that your God is going to burn me alive, if someone was going to burn you alive I wouldn't love them I would hate them
User avatar #449 to #447 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
Well that's a shame.
User avatar #451 to #449 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
it isn't a shame it is sane, why would anyone believe another human deserves to go to hell? even Hitler only deserves to go there for a day or two and then he can go back to sleep
#457 to #451 - anonymous (03/13/2013) [-]
for the love of God, stop being a faggot. You're not even listening to anything he's saying.
User avatar #453 to #451 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
Everyone deserves eternity in hell because everyone has turned away from God. It doesn't matter what's "sane" by your standards. God made a decision. There's no questioning it, no challenging it, no arguing it. We follow Him or we go to hell. That's it. There's nothing to discuss. Just decide if you prefer heaven or hell. It's simple.
User avatar #456 to #453 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
no it's grotesque and dictatorial he is not benevolent or just he is the most evil character in all of history, you know I don't believe it is true
User avatar #440 to #439 - thebritishguy (03/12/2013) [-]
out of fear, like how they worship Kim Jong Un in North Korea
User avatar #436 to #435 - jokeface (03/12/2013) [-]
I'll watch it later, I'm on the phone right now. But anyway, I know there are parts of the Bible where it says to kill people but those parts are in the Mosaic Law and don't apply anymore. I can provide sources explaining why.
#428 to #427 - anonymous (03/11/2013) [-]
oh shut up troll
User avatar #429 to #428 - thebritishguy (03/11/2013) [-]
no anon I am not even trolling
#387 - thebritishguy (03/04/2013) [-]
I might become a Buddhist, I don't know I have been reading a book on it and it seems pretty cool, but I won't believe in re incarnation. Pastafarianism was fun for a while but I seem to be losing faith in a carbohydrate based deity...I can't feel his noodley appendages holding me down anymore R'Amen
User avatar #388 to #387 - jokeface (03/04/2013) [-]
Buddhism is an admirable philosophy but it deceives you about the afterlife and the true God. It would be good to apply some of its principles to a Christian lifestyle (such as letting go of desire, being nonviolent, etc.) but any belief that does not focus on Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior is wrong and will lead to suffering.
#393 to #388 - thebritishguy (03/04/2013) [-]
like the belief in Jesus has not caused suffering, Buddhism has no God you don't worship anyone but some cultures have there own separate Gods which they include into Buddhism. The statement that believing in any other religion will cause suffering is frankly wrong and nothing more than an idea supported by your opinion.
User avatar #394 to #393 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
I wasn't talking about suffering in this life. I was referring to hell.
#398 to #394 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
all these people will go to hell because they were born into the "wrong" families, your God is an ass
User avatar #400 to #398 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
No, they'll go to hell because we are asses for depriving them of the truth. It's our job to save them.
User avatar #401 to #400 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
you don't know or even have any evidence what you say is the truth, if you were born in India you would be saying the same thing about there God, if you were born in Afghanistan you would be saying the same thing about Allah, religion isn't innate it is geographic
User avatar #404 to #401 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
We have evidence but apparently it's not good enough for you.
User avatar #406 to #404 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
no, the reasoning you use to explain God and the bible isn't good enough (hows your girlfriend btw?)
User avatar #409 to #406 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
Things are hard right now. She couldn't make it up to visit as scheduled, and then two days later her father passed away. So it's tough.
User avatar #410 to #409 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
hmmmmmm have you heard of the show cat fish? maybe she is a he, have you spoken to...her..on webcam?
User avatar #412 to #410 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
I've heard of the show but I haven't watched it. However I did see the movie so I know what it's about. Coincidentally, the main guy in that movie looks so much like me it's eerie. And no, we haven't webcammed, but we've spoken on the phone so I at least know she's a girl. She also has videos of herself on Facebook, so I can match the voice to the face in the pictures.
User avatar #414 to #412 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
the guy in the film looks pretty cool, maybe you could say to hold up a piece of paper with your name on it and take a photo to be sure, it seems coincidental these kind of things happening together
User avatar #415 to #414 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
Nah, my IRL identity and Jokeface must remain separate. I like the anonymity.
User avatar #417 to #415 - thebritishguy (03/05/2013) [-]
well you could just say any word, it would be just as valid, if they took the pictures and videos from a model or from another profile I doubt they would be able to do it
#405 to #404 - thebritishguy has deleted their comment [-]
User avatar #370 - ragnarfag (03/01/2013) [-]
Since we waited like 10h by now, what is your ''severed arm analogy''?
User avatar #371 to #370 - jokeface (03/02/2013) [-]
I just got back to my computer and answered on the board. But to reiterate:

Suppose a person donates their arm to science. The arm is connected to a machine that simulates a heart, pumping clean blood through the arm to keep the tissue alive. Then suppose someone damages the arm in such away that the tissue dies. A bunch of living, human tissue. So is this person guilty of murder?
User avatar #386 to #371 - thebritishguy (03/04/2013) [-]
a murder is the taking away of a human life, not human cells
User avatar #389 to #386 - jokeface (03/04/2013) [-]
Exactly. And what is an non-cognizant embryo if not just a collection of cells? Until it's aware, it may be "living" tissue but it's not "alive"
User avatar #392 to #389 - thebritishguy (03/04/2013) [-]
yeah, your right, did you see that post which said "if abortion is murder, are blowjobs cannibalism?"
User avatar #395 to #392 - jokeface (03/05/2013) [-]
Exactly. It's absurd.
User avatar #364 - whtkid (03/01/2013) [-]
Good luck on the sex!!
User avatar #365 to #364 - jokeface (03/01/2013) [-]
Actually I'm waiting until marriage, but thank you for the sentiment. :)
User avatar #363 - OpticalIllusion (03/01/2013) [-]
Best of luck with your net girlfriend, hope you get some righteous sex.
User avatar #366 to #363 - jokeface (03/01/2013) [-]
As I said to Whtkid, we're waiting until marriage. But thank you. :)
User avatar #372 to #366 - OpticalIllusion (03/02/2013) [-]
Whatever floats your boat.

I hope all is going well?
User avatar #376 to #372 - jokeface (03/02/2013) [-]
So far so good. She gets on her flight in about 12 hours.
#356 - thebritishguy (02/28/2013) [-]
if you don't get it it is a version of big brother from the book "1984"
User avatar #357 to #356 - jokeface (02/28/2013) [-]
I get the reference. Still doesn't deter my faith in the slightest.
User avatar #361 to #357 - thebritishguy (02/28/2013) [-]
just saying
User avatar #367 to #361 - jokeface (03/01/2013) [-]
Noted.
User avatar #318 - thebritishguy (02/26/2013) [-]
Jesus and God are hilariously similar to an abusive boyfriends
You need to login to view this link
User avatar #319 to #318 - jokeface (02/27/2013) [-]
Okay, let's see...He doesn't verbally abuse us...doesn't control our money...doesn't isolate us...He's never been cruel to anyone...so we can rule out "Controlling" as a characteristic. I'd say He's more influential, seeing as His teachings and requisites can certainly impact people, though He doesn't force them on anyone.

He does have special rights but He sure as hell earned them by saving us. Nothing He demands are unreasonable and in fact we're getting much more than we deserve out of the deal. He's never violent either. So "Entitlement" isn't really applicable except for the fact that He has indeed earned what He asks of us.

"Selfishness and Self-centeredness" sure doesn't fit, since His sacrifice was entirely selfless, and His choice of inviting us into His kingdom is hugely charitable and not self-centered at all.

He holds no contempt for anyone. Contempt for sin, yes, but not for people. We're all loved infinitely by Christ. So "Superiority" doesn't apply.

He never claimed we were His possessions. He gives us full freedom from Himself. When He asked a rich man to give up all his wealth to follow Him and the rich man chose to turn Him down, Jesus never pressured Him. He just let Him go. Following Him is our choice, not His. So no "Possessiveness".

Again, He's never been violent. Unless you count flipping the tables at the temple, but He wasn't hurting people there, just making a mess. So He doesn't "Confuse Love and Abuse."

"Manipulativeness"...Nope. Not by this definition. Nothing He says is confusing or distorting, and He never lies.

He's not "Contradictory" either. He always practiced what He preached, and all of His teachings are clear and straightforward.

I don't understand how He could be "Externalizing Responsibility" either. This thing talks about shifting blame, but Jesus was blameless. Pure of all sin.

And "Denial" doesn't apply because as I've been making quite clear throughout this list, Jesus has no guilt to deny. He was, and still is, perfect.
User avatar #321 to #319 - thebritishguy (02/27/2013) [-]
Jesus lied a lot, you really need to look at this website more mate
www.evilbible.com/Jesus_Lied.htm
User avatar #326 to #321 - jokeface (02/27/2013) [-]
1. The key word being faith. Humans are capable of immense amount of faith, but no one can truly trust God infinitely as Jesus did. Therefore, no one can harness His power (except the Disciples to some degree).

2. He's referring to His grace. If you seek the grace of Christ, He will save you. But if not, then you will never receive it. Plain and simple.

3. I don't understand how that one is a lie.

4. This one could be answered with my response to #1.

5. Same as #2.

6. I had to read the chapter this came from for context. It appears He's referring to the Disciples. Like I said, they were able to pull off some crazy Jesus **** themselves.

7. God makes all things possible through the works of nature and people. Whatever you want, if you believe in Christ, He will make it reachable in one way or another.

8. See #7.

9. See #1 yet again. Or #7. They both fit.
User avatar #320 to #319 - thebritishguy (02/27/2013) [-]
what about God?
User avatar #323 to #320 - jokeface (02/27/2013) [-]
Jesus and God are the same entity. I mean in the Bible God created a physical form for Jesus while He was on Earth, but in general they're both one being. That's the thing about the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all just different faces of the same single God.
User avatar #324 to #323 - thebritishguy (02/27/2013) [-]
ohohohohohohhhoooo noooooooooooooo God was insane he doesn't fit this description
also here are some contradictions: www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
User avatar #327 to #324 - jokeface (02/27/2013) [-]
No, man, I'm bored with this. Look, I'm happy you like to do research (even if it all comes from the same site), but I'm not gonna keep reading lists and replying to bullet points and **** , half of which are addressing the same specific issue. If you wanna have an actual discussion, then discuss. But I'm not wasting my time responding to URLs.
User avatar #332 to #331 - jokeface (02/28/2013) [-]
This pic is old and I'm pretty sure most atheists are smart enough to know it's being satirical of them. You just made fun of yourself.
User avatar #335 to #332 - thebritishguy (02/28/2013) [-]
lol the pic is old? how about the ******* book, a satirical term are you high right now?
User avatar #337 to #335 - jokeface (02/28/2013) [-]
I'm saying that it's already been established that using that picture as a rebuttal is pointless because both Christians and atheists know that those two verses are not using the same meaning of "the face of God". The fact that you think you're gaining any credibility by using that picture just shows how ignorant you are. Even among atheists.
#330 to #327 - thebritishguy (02/27/2013) [-]
well here is a list you don't have to respond with your bullet points
User avatar #297 - thebritishguy (02/25/2013) [-]
what do you think about Muslims?
User avatar #300 to #297 - jokeface (02/25/2013) [-]
They're lost brothers who I wish could be returned to the light.
User avatar #301 to #300 - thebritishguy (02/25/2013) [-]
they would say the same about you, the majority of them were never Christian so I don't know what your talking about, you have no more evidence than them that you are right. I meant what do you think about the culture.
User avatar #306 to #301 - jokeface (02/25/2013) [-]
I'm not really educated in their culture. All I really know is that they're very misogynistic, of which I'm not a fan.
User avatar #307 to #306 - thebritishguy (02/25/2013) [-]
they're very sexist and they have sharia law which means that 6 year olds can get married and if you steal you get your hands chopped off and just this week 50 people died in a riot because a film was made saying they were not violent, but many great men have been Muslim and obviously they're not all bad, I always try not to to judge a majority on a minority but this is what I know.
User avatar #308 to #307 - jokeface (02/25/2013) [-]
I'll say this: On Earth, men can be good among men. God has a standard that we cannot live up to, but between us, some show greater dignity and conduct than others. And this is regardless of religion or spirituality or any of that. Gandhi was a good man among men. Malcolm X was a good man among men. I have respect for non-Christians who live good lives like them. But just understand that as good of men as they are, their goodness only benefits them in this life. For you this is fine because you don't believe in an afterlife, but for me it's distressing. I wish they were still that good and influential but just advocated Christianity.
User avatar #341 to #308 - thebritishguy (02/28/2013) [-]
Gandhi was a racist but Malcolm X was cool, according to the bible both men deserved to be burning alive for eternity.
User avatar #345 to #341 - jokeface (02/28/2013) [-]
The keyword being "deserved". Please understand that the difference between going to heaven and going to hell is not based on what someone "deserves". I believe in Jesus Christ, but I still don't deserve to go to heaven. I'm just as wicked as the next person, and I should be burning for eternity too. But the way we go to heaven is not by "deserving" to go there. If that was the case then no one would ever get there. Yes, Gandhi and Malcolm X both deserve to go to hell but their faith in Christ would not change that. They're still just as sinful as anyone else, no matter what. The only difference between going to heaven or hell is whether you accept Christ's gift. And doing so does not make you a better person, it just grants you undeserved grace in spite of being wicked.
[ 562 comments ]
Leave a comment
 Friends (0)