Haha, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. I just wish we could have done the entire song. But I ran out of ideas lol.

Sounds awesome. Of course, I wouldn't agree with them denouncing the belief in God, but other than that it sounds like it'd be fun. Why do they call it a church though?

I think it is just that there aren't really any other names for that sort of thing
The word church originally just meant a meeting place but I get what you mean

She was supposed to come up a few weeks ago but she never did. And I finally got fed up with not being able to see her, and so I put our relationship on hold until she comes up here. I'd go down to see her myself but I live on my own now and have a bunch of expenses that prevent me from being able to.

Dammmmnn

Yea.

Lmao, north korea is not a threat.

well China and Russia are and they have relations also the citizens of North Korea will be screwed

Yes they do, but I've told you. If north korea attacks us, they lose support, and if such an event happened. They'd turn into a nuclear crater.

I suppose, it's still sad for all the poor North Koreans

Oh well.

Define "worried".

uuum like scared that world war 3 will begin or the civilians of North Korea will be nuked like Hiroshima , they have connections with Russia and China and have the fourth biggest military, Kim Jong Un told his troops to prepare for war and they always do nuclear weapon testing. On the other hand South Korea thinks they are just trying to get attention and trying to look big.

And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. - Matthew 24:6-7

I'm a little nervous of how it might affect people on a personal level, yes. But I know it's coming and I've accepted that fact, because as Jesus said, the end is not yet.

Lmao, taking the bible seriously.

Gee, Jaime, you get into unusual stuff.

I'm afraid I don't get that reference.

You're Christian/Catholic/Whatever.

Laughable. Possibly..

Why is it laughable? Or, to be more specific, why am I more laughable than other Christians?

I find all Christians laughable on an equal level.

However, evolutionary theists have a special place in my colon.

And why is that?

They're naturally trained to bullshit their way through an argument.

No matter what you say, it somehow fits in with science, or it's metaphorical, just...something to at the very least neutralize the argument given to them.

hmmm this supports my psycho analysis of the God delusion.
"When people make decisions they use their Ego to decide what to do, the ego is where morality comes from and is sometimes called the "soul" according to Frued. When people base their morality and decisions based on what they think a God says the God becomes the ego. This is supported by the fact people ignore/highlight certain verses and lessons if they agree/disagree with them rather than getting a true perspective of the characters to keep the character as their ego rather than having to separate God from ego. It is also supported by people using words like "reject" and why religious people are so protective of their Gods and are personally insulted when people criticise their Gods. Also the emotions they feel when some theists talk to atheists are similar to those of rejection, when an atheist doesn't believe in God they are not rejecting the proposed God and yet they use that word, it seems to me that they use the word reject because they feel they are being rejected"

Quite insightful. However allow me to make a few counterarguments.

From the perspective of someone who believes God exists as described in the Bible, consider that such a being would indeed have dominion over morality and, yes, even the ego of those who choose to submit to Him. That being said, can you really blame us for it?

As for your point about verses, understand that I don't ignore any of the Bible. At most, I don't apply the laws that Jesus and Paul said are no longer relevant. It's like studying slavery. We don't have slaves anymore, but that doesn't stop us from learning about the slavery that existed years and years ago. In the same way, some parts of the Bible, such as Mosaic Law, are now obsolete, but that doesn't stop us from learning about it.

Lastly, I don't think that's entirely why theists react the way they do to atheists. Because that would imply that theists view atheists as the "popular kids" and they feel excluded from them. Such is not the case. I mean, that might be said for some people, but speaking for myself and many others, being a theist among atheists is more like being in a special club with amazing benefits, and you can invite as many people as you want, but nobody else wants to join. And it hurts, yes, but not because we feel rejected; Rather, we're simply disappointed that no one else wants to share in our joy.

so then why would God make the morality so different? all of our morals are different and change over time, if I was born in the 60's I would probably have different morals than I do now, if I was born in Afghanistan I would have different morals, therefore morality must be something we learn to an extent (we all share common morals like murder, lying and stealing is wrong) rather than God given and also this would intrude on free will. When you think of God I'm sure you don't think about when he ordered the deaths of millions of people or the time he sent bears to kill children for making fun of a bald guy but you pay attention to all the nice verses or like how you ignore the part in the bible were Jesus said to give away all your money or that for some odd reason God dislikes ordinary things that you probably do every day.
I'm not implying theists desperately want atheists to like them I'm saying that when I say "God is a dictator" people start saying I personally attacked them when I didn't

What you say about common morals is true, and those are the ones which I believe God instills in us. But it's not an intrusion on free will because the morality God gives us is just instinct, and we have the freedom to either give in or resist that instinct. And I do think about everything in the Bible (or at least, everything I can remember, since I haven't been able to memorize all of it). I know God did some crazy shit in the past, but that doesn't take away from the importance of His words now. We don't ignore any of it. Or at least, the Christians I know don't ignore any of it. I'm sure there are some who do but I don't condone it. God gave us the entire Bible so that we could learn from the entire Bible.

I would have thought your morals would have come from the bible as you don't think sex before marriage is good for instance. Well I have never heard about all the horrible and contradictory things in the bible at Sunday school or in church I only heard about the nice (well they cartooned it to make it seem nice) stuff and how God was great. Never heard about the rape, incest, slavery, stoning, homophobia, sexism etc. until I became and atheist. do you know how the bible was written?

Some of it. I know the first five books (called the Pentateuch) were written by Moses. I don't remember who write the rest of the Old Testament. The Four Gospels were written by their namesakes: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John the Apostle. Acts was written by Luke, and Paul wrote the 21 Epistles. And Revelation was written by John the Apostle. It was completed almost 150 years after Jesus' death (about AD 150).

They are the scriptures. The first Christians needed a book to read to their people so they all met up and have a long conversation about which books to add and which ones to exclude based on what they wanted to teach. The first Christians already burnt a few scriptures which are amusing (there was one were Jesus tamed dragons) but they complied them together and then gave them to really good authors to edit so that they all fit together. there's a documentary on it
http://www(.)youtube(.)com/watch?v=phyN5tWUIUI

He is what I call a "lost one". I feel no enmity toward him, but rather sadness at his adamant stance against the faith. However, he seems intelligent and his debate style is intellectually stimulating, so I imagine he would be fun to talk to about other issues, even if we disagree on those as well.

Why would an anon come to my page? I suspect you are Thebritishguy, having been summoned by the calling of your name, and you replied to it as an anon. If that is the case, your "trolling" efforts are uninspiring.

I'm not sure how to prove that he is not me but...he's not me

if you were me why would you reply to my comment, unless it was me and this was a double bluff, but if it was a double bluff I would not mention it is a double bluff because I'd want you to fall for it

see it's not me...unless this was a triple bluff FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

To say God is anything less than perfect is to say that He doesn't meet the "proper" standards of decency. And if that's the case, then I have to ask, who has set the proper standards? Certainly no human. We're all flawed. So who are we to decide what's right or wrong? God is without flaw because there is no one to set standards for Him. Therefore only He can set standards, and if He is the standard, then anyone who doesn't match Him is wrong. Ergo, He is perfect.

God is perfect?

God is above the laws He sets for humanity. He is not bound to follow them, and even so, they can't really be applied to His actions for certain reasons.

Godly wrath is not the same as the sinful wrath, because He has every right to bring judgment upon us. As I said, He's perfect, so his wrath is justified, whereas ours is hypocritical.

The reason He doesn't want us to worship other gods is because He knows they are not real and therefore our worship of them is wasteful, as well as disrespectful to Him, the one true God whom we should be worshiping.

God was never idle, except for on the last day of the week of Creation, and it wasn't because He was tired or lazy, it was because He was setting a model for all of humanity to live by.

People do not hunger because God deprives them, but because we do. As agents of Christ we are called to help our fellow man, and if people starve because we fail to feed them, that's on us, not God. It's one of the duties we accepted when we chose to fall away from Him.

Once again, being perfect, He has every right to advertise Himself as such and demand people to worship. When He condemns humans for being prideful it's because we don't have anything to be proud of by His standards. Maybe by our own, but since we're not the standard, our own self-satisfaction doesn't count as praise-worthy.

God commands us to give to the poor and needy, not to Him. That is not greed.

He is not lustful, either. Lust would mean He gets sexually aroused, which He doesn't. I think whoever made this list just got to lust and couldn't think of anything so they just threw that one in their without much thought.

God never condoned slavery, "witches" in the Bible are referring to people like Wiccans and others who practice magic (that is, magic that is taken seriously, not magic tricks), God doesn't fear anyone or anything so He cannot be homophobic, and frankly it doesn't matter what your personal opinions are because just because you disagree doesn't make you right. God's word is infallible and His doctrines are perfect. No human can ever be more moral than God. Hell, no human can ever be as moral as God.

The bible never says anything about it not being real which is kind of fucking important seeing as millions of innocent people were killed because they were "witches". You know that homophobic doesn't mean scared lol it means you hate gay people. If you think it is perfect then go burn a witch! oh no wait you aren't going to do that you are going to ignore it like all the rest of the bible, if you thought it was perfect you would live by it, you would sell your computer and give the money to charity like Jesus said.

Obviously it can't be talking about real witches since humans can't do magic unless God gives them powers, and the only people He gave powers to were the Disciples.

And God doesn't hate gay people, He loves everyone.

And we're not ignoring the Bible, in fact, paying closer attention to it is exactly why we don't follow Mosaic Law. Because Jesus and Paul both clarified that it wasn't required after the Crucifixion.

Jesus also said to sell everything and give it to the poor and a rich man can't get into heaven. the question is whether God is a moral person, he said homosexual acts are an abomination and you should kill them. If the writers of the bible didn't believe in witches why the fuck didn't they say they didn't exist and it wasn't real? instead they had loads of rules on witchcraft, it's not like there was a word limit. don't be the interpreter
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLOUWl-L-s

God didn't adopt the attitudes of men, men adopted the attitudes of God.

And it doesn't matter if God is benevolent or not, because it doesn't change the way the system works. We worship Jesus so we can go to heaven, or else we go to hell. That's a fact, regardless of whether or not God appeals to your personal preferences.

And yes, I know you don't believe in Him anyway, but for the sake of argument, let's say God revealed Himself to everyone, to the point where He could not be denied by anyone, and He confirmed to us that everything in the Bible is an accurate depiction of both Him and the afterlife. Are you going to sit there and tell me that you would accept eternity in hell just because God doesn't base all His decisions around what you think they should be?

bullshit, guys had those attitudes before the bible was written, your God is similar to many other Gods in mythology, if God revealed himslef I would worship him out of blind fear I guess but that's not going to happen

I'm sure they did have those attitudes before the Bible was written, but what I'm saying is, the authors that wrote those things in the Bible only wrote them because God told them to. It doesn't matter what their personal feelings were, even if they agreed with them. That wasn't their motive. And if you admit that you would worship God out of blind fear then how can you judge us for doing the same?

I wouldn't say it was blind fear why Christians worship God, but there is barely any evidence for God. What I'm saying is do you think it's a coincidence that a benevolent and just God had the same attitudes as the homophobic slave owners of thousands of years ago? If he is real then those homophobic slave owners were perfect and should carry on fucking slaves. However it is really obvious that it was those people who wrote the book so they could justify having sex and beating their slaves among other things

God never said we should have slaves, and neither did the Bible. The most we're told about slaves is that if you are a slave, you should be kind and obedient to your master, because violent rebellion would be sinful. That's a commandment for the slave, not the slave owner.

just ignore the Old Testament why don't you
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
I would argue religion is slavery as shown in this picture

Mosaic Law only applied to specific groups of Israelites at the time they were given. They became overruled when Jesus died.

And that picture is beautiful. I'm not even kidding. I'm inspired by it.

stock·holm syn·drome
Noun
Feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor.
regardless of whether you follow it or not it is written in the bible and supposedly said by your God, my point still stands. Also the New Testament never says that slavery is wrong it says slaves should be good so it is on the side of the slave masters

Yea, there's a lot of names that make it sound bad, but the fact is that we're perfectly adjusted and functional, so there's nothing wrong with having faith. Submission to God has no negative impacts on a person's life. All it does is ensure our place in heaven after we die.

it had a bad impact on my life, I used to cry because I thought millions of people will be or are burning in hell, I find it quite bizarre that no body else seems to care. I used to feel guilty for doing normal things like fapping. Stockholm syndrome originated when hostages defended their captor. Their reasoning was that he was good because he didn't kill or beat them and they loved him because he didn't abuse them physically, this is very similar to religion.

I don't know what you mean by "nobody else seems to care." As Christians we care a great deal about the dangers of hell and naturally we aim to save as many people as possible from it. As for fapping, the Bible doesn't actually say anything about it. A lot of people like to reference some quote about it being better for your seed to fall into the belly of a whore than on the ground, but that's never mentioned in the Bible. As for the Stockholm Syndrome, I understand the connection your making, but the difference is that in that situation the kidnapper has done something bad by kidnapping the person. God's done nothing wrong to us. He's only done good and perfect things. He's not a villain, He's a hero.

did you just skip the entire old testament? just the simple fact that you believe he will burn me alive for eternity should be enough to say he is a cunt Jesus fucking Christ

Why does that make Him a cunt? He's a just God. Everything He does is perfect. All human beings deserve to burn for eternity because we all have wickedness in our hearts. But He has offered us salvation in spite of that, and that makes Him benevolent.

so when I burn alive it is justice? you ass hole! you need to get therapy for your severe Stockholm syndrome. It is like Jesus is your abusive boyfriend and he has told you that you are a piece of shit and worthless and disgusting but if you love him you are good. It is the same tactics abusive partners use to manipulate and control people

You keep saying that, but I don't get what you think I should do about it. How is it helpful for you to inform me of this similarity?

I just want you to realise common tactics religions use to control people and that your God isn't a cool dude he is a controlling dictator. come on man if someone sends people to burn and be tortured for eternity and you think they're perfect something is wrong with you

"There's nothing wrong with faith."

Sure, but it goes against the scientific nature of humans.

Our society exists on the structure of scientific discoveries, which is the exact opposite of faith. Faith is "idunoo lol, but i believe in it" while science takes a more reasonable approach forming extremely good hypothesis', testing them, making sure everything fits right.

I'm not saying your belief is completely wrong, I'm just saying it has absolutely no value to society in our era..

I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have graphic and frightening things in it, because it does. I'm saying that the things we're supposed to be doing (covered thoroughly in the New Testament) are all good. Most of the violence and objectionable stuff is in the Old Testament, but we're not supposed to be doing that stuff.

The new testament is still quite graphic, not to mention God in the old testament was a pretty huge dick, as well. He was extremely EXTREMELY malevolent then.

No, He was extremely just back then.

You're either a troll, or a really moronic human. Guessing both.

Neither. God gave us very simple commandments, and we continually choose to disobey Him. Why would we deserve His love or grace? We don't. It's a gift. The most amazing gift we could ever hope for. That makes Him benevolent.

lol

I didn't say it was in line with scientific nature, I just said it only has positive consequences.

Considering I was never truly apart of this conversation...What positive aspects other than some sort of denialistic stuff?

It grants us access to heaven, which gives us hope and peace of mind until we die. Also the Bible is full of good morals and lessons on how to be a better person.

1. To a place that you don't know exists, okay..
2. I said without denialsm..
3. lol, no.

1. I trust the testimonials of all the people who claim to have seen heaven when they had near-death experiences.
2. What denialism? I'm not denying anything.
3. No what? What are you referring to?

1. Near-death experiences have easily been explained, not to mention people in those times had no scientific knowledge. That's why the Greeks thought earthquakes were caused by a guy shaking his head..
2. Not explaining, too much trouble.
3. The bible has tons of immoral stuff in it. Now, you can easily bullshit your way through it and ignore the fact it's got a ton of disgusting stuff in it and claim all it's goodness even though I could fucking do it to just about any piece of literature..

Imma christian, and I say just be a good person and serve your brothers (be a nice guy) whenever you have the option to be a dick instead, do what's right and you're good.

Also you gotta remember, the book was written by a bunch of old guys 2000+ years ago. they were wise, very, very, wise, but they lived in a time period where certain things that should be acceptable today weren't back then due to man made culture and beliefs, not god based, like being gay.

but why did your God agree with the people who wrote the book?

I agree with loving your brother and refraining from being a dick, yes. That's something Jesus said was very important. But He said loving Him was just as important, if not more so.

And also, remember that those men were directly inspired by God. He put the words in their hearts and commanded them to write them down. Aside form the outdated Mosaic Law, there weren't really any commandments that lost their relevance. The only one I can think of is the one about women teaching. I researched that one and yes that one was relevant to both the current time period as well as the current place Paul was was speaking to. For reference, I invite you to go to this link:
http://godswordtowomen.org/fees.htm
...and Ctrl+F the phrase: "Scripture is Finally Explained". Those couple paragraphs give a very clear and insightful meaning of the verse.

Jesus told one man to sell everything he had to follow Him. He wasn't saying every human should sell everything they own. And nowhere in the Bible are we commanded to kill homosexuals. All it says is that they shall be put to death. It doesn't say we are the ones who should put them to death. It means God will kill their souls. And we know this is the case because Jesus said not to kill anyone, and killing the gays would contradict this. So death of the spirit is the only possible way to interpret it.

yes, killing the gays contradicts it, there are loads of contradictions in the bible, it says to kill loads of different people, I think we have had this conversation before it never says anything about the soul your just making shit up it also says that their blood shall be upon them but if God was taking their soul there would be no blood. He said a rich man won't enter heaven and he says on a number of occasions to sell your stuff and give to the poor, did you watch the video?

Okay, I watched it. I'll concede to the thing about selling your possessions, but I still don't think He meant literally. Remember when He went into the temple and got angry at the people who were buying and selling there, and He started flipping tables and shit? I think if He really wanted us to literally sell all our possessions, then He would be flipping tables every place He went. He'd always be scrutinizing people for owning things. No, what I think He means is to not let the possessions become more important than your loyalty to Him. That is, don't sell them from your ownership, but rather sell them from your heart. Let go of them spiritually, so that they don't prevent you from following Him.

The other part of the video I'll address is the thing about abolishing the old laws. Let me break it down for you:

Jesus said "I have not come to abolish [the old laws] but to fulfill them." What He means is that His arrival on Earth does not cancel or nullify the laws. They're still in place even though He has arrived, and because he is the Son of God, only He can fulfill them, because man is imperfect and can never fulfill the law. However, He goes on to say that nothing about the laws will change "until all is accomplished." What do you think He's referring to? I'll give you a hint: What did He come to Earth to do besides fulfill the law? He came to die. And right before He breathed His last breath, His last words were: "It is finished." That was it. That was Him declaring that the old law was obsolete and the new law would begin.

Then later in Galatians, the Apostle Paul write about how violation of the law no longer condemns us because Christ died to sanctify us in spite of sin: "[We] know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified...I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

but God still told people to commit mass genocides and kill loads of innocent people, he's a cunt

I really don't care what He said to do in the Old Testament. We don't worship Him because we agree with Him. We worship Him because He is the only one who can save us from hell. And that's infinitely more important than anything that happens on Earth.

wouldn't you go to hell just for saying/thinking that? the thought police are on you now

No, because that's exactly what Jesus told us to think. Every time He told us to have faith in Him, He said it was because only through Him would we enter heaven.

he didn't say "ignore My Dad he's a dick" though

No, but He did say that we weren't bound by the laws His dad had previously set.

this reminds me of this, the way I see it the Christians wanted to separate themselves from the Jews so that's why they had Jesus saying these things, you still believe Gid is an asshole though right?

I never believed God was an asshole. And the Christians didn't want to separate themselves from the Jews. The first Christians were Jews themselves. They just wanted everyone to worship Jesus with them. Read Galatians 2. It sheds some light on that issue.

most Jews don't believe Jesus was a prophet also I think it was like 98% of jews just thought he was a hippie

I know that Jews and Christians are very different now, but I'm saying when Christianity first began, that wasn't as much the case. Again, the first Christians were Jews.

I saw a documentary about it, I think they wanted to make it clear that they were different from the Jews so that's why they had certain elements, don't you think it's a coincidence that your God had the same attitudes towards thing like homosexuality and women as the people who wrote the bible?

I don't understand. Why would it be a coincidence?

exactly, if an omniscient and benevolent God wrote it why would he have the same attitudes as 2000 year old dessert dwellers

this in the belief that your God is going to burn me alive, if someone was going to burn you alive I wouldn't love them I would hate them

Well that's a shame.

it isn't a shame it is sane, why would anyone believe another human deserves to go to hell? even Hitler only deserves to go there for a day or two and then he can go back to sleep

Everyone deserves eternity in hell because everyone has turned away from God. It doesn't matter what's "sane" by your standards. God made a decision. There's no questioning it, no challenging it, no arguing it. We follow Him or we go to hell. That's it. There's nothing to discuss. Just decide if you prefer heaven or hell. It's simple.

no it's grotesque and dictatorial he is not benevolent or just he is the most evil character in all of history, you know I don't believe it is true

out of fear, like how they worship Kim Jong Un in North Korea

I'll watch it later, I'm on the phone right now. But anyway, I know there are parts of the Bible where it says to kill people but those parts are in the Mosaic Law and don't apply anymore. I can provide sources explaining why.

no anon I am not even trolling

Buddhism is an admirable philosophy but it deceives you about the afterlife and the true God. It would be good to apply some of its principles to a Christian lifestyle (such as letting go of desire, being nonviolent, etc.) but any belief that does not focus on Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior is wrong and will lead to suffering.

like the belief in Jesus has not caused suffering, Buddhism has no God you don't worship anyone but some cultures have there own separate Gods which they include into Buddhism. The statement that believing in any other religion will cause suffering is frankly wrong and nothing more than an idea supported by your opinion.

I wasn't talking about suffering in this life. I was referring to hell.

all these people will go to hell because they were born into the "wrong" families, your God is an ass

No, they'll go to hell because we are asses for depriving them of the truth. It's our job to save them.

you don't know or even have any evidence what you say is the truth, if you were born in India you would be saying the same thing about there God, if you were born in Afghanistan you would be saying the same thing about Allah, religion isn't innate it is geographic

We have evidence but apparently it's not good enough for you.

no, the reasoning you use to explain God and the bible isn't good enough (hows your girlfriend btw?)

Things are hard right now. She couldn't make it up to visit as scheduled, and then two days later her father passed away. So it's tough.

hmmmmmm have you heard of the show cat fish? maybe she is a he, have you spoken to...her..on webcam?

I've heard of the show but I haven't watched it. However I did see the movie so I know what it's about. Coincidentally, the main guy in that movie looks so much like me it's eerie. And no, we haven't webcammed, but we've spoken on the phone so I at least know she's a girl. She also has videos of herself on Facebook, so I can match the voice to the face in the pictures.

the guy in the film looks pretty cool, maybe you could say to hold up a piece of paper with your name on it and take a photo to be sure, it seems coincidental these kind of things happening together

Nah, my IRL identity and Jokeface must remain separate. I like the anonymity.

well you could just say any word, it would be just as valid, if they took the pictures and videos from a model or from another profile I doubt they would be able to do it

I just got back to my computer and answered on the board. But to reiterate:

Suppose a person donates their arm to science. The arm is connected to a machine that simulates a heart, pumping clean blood through the arm to keep the tissue alive. Then suppose someone damages the arm in such away that the tissue dies. A bunch of living, human tissue. So is this person guilty of murder?

a murder is the taking away of a human life, not human cells

Exactly. And what is an non-cognizant embryo if not just a collection of cells? Until it's aware, it may be "living" tissue but it's not "alive"

yeah, your right, did you see that post which said "if abortion is murder, are blowjobs cannibalism?"

Exactly. It's absurd.

Actually I'm waiting until marriage, but thank you for the sentiment. :)

As I said to Whtkid, we're waiting until marriage. But thank you. :)

Whatever floats your boat.

I hope all is going well?

So far so good. She gets on her flight in about 12 hours.

I get the reference. Still doesn't deter my faith in the slightest.

just saying

Noted.

Okay, let's see...He doesn't verbally abuse us...doesn't control our money...doesn't isolate us...He's never been cruel to anyone...so we can rule out "Controlling" as a characteristic. I'd say He's more influential, seeing as His teachings and requisites can certainly impact people, though He doesn't force them on anyone.

He does have special rights but He sure as hell earned them by saving us. Nothing He demands are unreasonable and in fact we're getting much more than we deserve out of the deal. He's never violent either. So "Entitlement" isn't really applicable except for the fact that He has indeed earned what He asks of us.

"Selfishness and Self-centeredness" sure doesn't fit, since His sacrifice was entirely selfless, and His choice of inviting us into His kingdom is hugely charitable and not self-centered at all.

He holds no contempt for anyone. Contempt for sin, yes, but not for people. We're all loved infinitely by Christ. So "Superiority" doesn't apply.

He never claimed we were His possessions. He gives us full freedom from Himself. When He asked a rich man to give up all his wealth to follow Him and the rich man chose to turn Him down, Jesus never pressured Him. He just let Him go. Following Him is our choice, not His. So no "Possessiveness".

Again, He's never been violent. Unless you count flipping the tables at the temple, but He wasn't hurting people there, just making a mess. So He doesn't "Confuse Love and Abuse."

"Manipulativeness"...Nope. Not by this definition. Nothing He says is confusing or distorting, and He never lies.

He's not "Contradictory" either. He always practiced what He preached, and all of His teachings are clear and straightforward.

I don't understand how He could be "Externalizing Responsibility" either. This thing talks about shifting blame, but Jesus was blameless. Pure of all sin.

And "Denial" doesn't apply because as I've been making quite clear throughout this list, Jesus has no guilt to deny. He was, and still is, perfect.

Jesus lied a lot, you really need to look at this website more mate
www.evilbible.com/Jesus_Lied.htm

1. The key word being faith. Humans are capable of immense amount of faith, but no one can truly trust God infinitely as Jesus did. Therefore, no one can harness His power (except the Disciples to some degree).

2. He's referring to His grace. If you seek the grace of Christ, He will save you. But if not, then you will never receive it. Plain and simple.

3. I don't understand how that one is a lie.

4. This one could be answered with my response to #1.

5. Same as #2.

6. I had to read the chapter this came from for context. It appears He's referring to the Disciples. Like I said, they were able to pull off some crazy Jesus shit themselves.

7. God makes all things possible through the works of nature and people. Whatever you want, if you believe in Christ, He will make it reachable in one way or another.

8. See #7.

9. See #1 yet again. Or #7. They both fit.

what about God?

Jesus and God are the same entity. I mean in the Bible God created a physical form for Jesus while He was on Earth, but in general they're both one being. That's the thing about the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all just different faces of the same single God.

ohohohohohohhhoooo noooooooooooooo God was insane he doesn't fit this description
also here are some contradictions: www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

No, man, I'm bored with this. Look, I'm happy you like to do research (even if it all comes from the same site), but I'm not gonna keep reading lists and replying to bullet points and shit, half of which are addressing the same specific issue. If you wanna have an actual discussion, then discuss. But I'm not wasting my time responding to URLs.

also this

This pic is old and I'm pretty sure most atheists are smart enough to know it's being satirical of them. You just made fun of yourself.

lol the pic is old? how about the fucking book, a satirical term are you high right now?

I'm saying that it's already been established that using that picture as a rebuttal is pointless because both Christians and atheists know that those two verses are not using the same meaning of "the face of God". The fact that you think you're gaining any credibility by using that picture just shows how ignorant you are. Even among atheists.

well here is a list you don't have to respond with your bullet points

They're lost brothers who I wish could be returned to the light.

they would say the same about you, the majority of them were never Christian so I don't know what your talking about, you have no more evidence than them that you are right. I meant what do you think about the culture.

I'm not really educated in their culture. All I really know is that they're very misogynistic, of which I'm not a fan.

they're very sexist and they have sharia law which means that 6 year olds can get married and if you steal you get your hands chopped off and just this week 50 people died in a riot because a film was made saying they were not violent, but many great men have been Muslim and obviously they're not all bad, I always try not to to judge a majority on a minority but this is what I know.

I'll say this: On Earth, men can be good among men. God has a standard that we cannot live up to, but between us, some show greater dignity and conduct than others. And this is regardless of religion or spirituality or any of that. Gandhi was a good man among men. Malcolm X was a good man among men. I have respect for non-Christians who live good lives like them. But just understand that as good of men as they are, their goodness only benefits them in this life. For you this is fine because you don't believe in an afterlife, but for me it's distressing. I wish they were still that good and influential but just advocated Christianity.

Gandhi was a racist but Malcolm X was cool, according to the bible both men deserved to be burning alive for eternity.

The keyword being "deserved". Please understand that the difference between going to heaven and going to hell is not based on what someone "deserves". I believe in Jesus Christ, but I still don't deserve to go to heaven. I'm just as wicked as the next person, and I should be burning for eternity too. But the way we go to heaven is not by "deserving" to go there. If that was the case then no one would ever get there. Yes, Gandhi and Malcolm X both deserve to go to hell but their faith in Christ would not change that. They're still just as sinful as anyone else, no matter what. The only difference between going to heaven or hell is whether you accept Christ's gift. And doing so does not make you a better person, it just grants you undeserved grace in spite of being wicked.

He was probably very clear when He said it. But the hearts of the Israelites were so corrupted that they twisted its meaning.

every thing you said about other religions relate exactly to your religion
God has human characteristics: anger, sadness, regret, happiness, speech, humans made in his image etc.
the afterlife: you have no less reason to believe you are re-encarnated as to be in heaven and hell, there is no evidence for either.
contradictions: God said not to kill but also told people who to kill

Nothing in my faith contradicts anything science has proven. All it does is provide context for it.

science proves that Noahs ark is impossible

No it doesn't. It just proves that it couldn't have happened within the parameters of earthly physics. But God exists beyond earthly physics.

so......magic?

Yes. And you are more than welcome to use the picture saying "It's magic; I don't gotta explain shit."

haven't got it, magic isn't real there is no evidence of magic at all

Well humans can't do magic, no. But God can. And did. And does.

And here's the pic if you want it.

if it isn't supported by evidence I have as much reason to believe in it than any thing else, I wonder who the next pope will be? I looked at the list and they are all just clones from what I can see

Consider that you have more to lose if we're right than if you're right.

throwing Pascals wager on me? lets say you are right and the world was created by magic, there are 2700 Gods so basically you have a lottery ticket into the afterlife I just have a tiny bit less chance than you

So? Still less of a chance. And yes, Pascal's Wager should stir you at least a little bit.

so in that case do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? because other wise you will go to his hell and there will be stale beer and strippers with S.T.D's?

No because I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just a satirical god. Use one that's meant to be taken seriously.

there is good evidence for F.S.M (pasta be upon him) you don't know that at all, there is as much reason to believe in F.S.M (all hail his noodlyness) as you do to believe in God the homophobic, jealous wizard who really cares about your sex life

Okay well if you're not willing to be serious then I'll bid you good day.

Consider that you have more to lose if we're right than if you're right.

why don't you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? all you need is faith

I'm talking about physiological, biological characteristics. The ability to suffer physical pain (Zeus' headache which resulted in the birth of Athena) or sex drive (how Zeus spent the majority of his free time) to name just a few. And people have witnessed the afterlife, but as I said, they are often written off as just lying or being crazy - two things that Jesus was also accused of. And just fucking stop referencing the killing issue. It's been beaten to death (no pun intended). I've already explained to you and to several other people that God is allowed to make exceptions in special cases when He decides it is necessary. It's only a sin if you kill without being commanded to kill. But if you are commanded, then refusing to obey is just as sinful.

was it necessary to kill people who weren't married? I'm not going to ignore all the verses saying who to kill it's like ignoring the parts of mein kampf about killing jews. What differences does it make what the human aspects are, it doesn't matter whether the human aspects are physiological or biological the character is incredibly human

If God deems it necessary, then yes, it is necessary. And which verses are you talking about? The ones where God kills people, the ones where God commands specific genocides, or the ones where God says to kill people who sin? Because the first two groups, you have no argument against, and the third group no longer applies to us. So what are you trying to claim?

what the fuck is wrong with you? I don't know why you are so chill about God commanding the deaths of millions of people and you still worship and defending someone who advocates stoning, genocide, child abuse, slavery and you STILL worship him? his idea of heaven and what Christians look forward to is basically "the final solution" billions of men women children burning alive in pain and misery, and yet you still worship him? for fucks sake

He doesn't advocate any of those things anymore. Jesus said we are to forgive all sin and encourage others to walk with us in the Light. Our goal is not for people to go to hell. We want to save them.

he also said that every word of the scriptures must be lived and not to ignore a single word and that he didn't come to abolish the laws of the prophets. Regardless of what your goal is that is your belief that the majority of human beings deserve to be burnt and tortured, women and children. Religion truly is poison.

He said the OT laws only apply until He accomplishes what He came to do. We aren't bound by the old law. And to prove that, I refer you to this link, as I forget if I shared it with you before or not: carm.org/christians-bound-by-law

well he said it and if he is benevolent and omniscient then it must be a really good law, but it clearly is not

It was a law given to a specific group of people during a specific time period. God knew from the start that Jesus would bring it to an end.

why would he put all those laws in in the first place?

Because He's God and He can do whatever the hell He wants. Look at the pork law. He literally said to not eat pork in the OT, and then in the NT Jesus literally said all foods were good to eat:

"And [Jesus] said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” Thus he declared all foods clean." - Mark 7:18

"Because He's God and He can do whatever the hell He wants." that isn't good enough, not at all, if there is a character who ruins and ends lives and kills millions of innocent people just because he can then he is a twat and is not fit for worship

I didn't say He did those thing just because He can. I'm sure He has deeper meanings for the choices He makes, we're just not privy to them. The point I was making was, we have no place questioning someone who is infinitely wiser than us. He knows what He's doing.

still not good enough, science may have a few un answered questions but religion! that is a bullshit enigma

Not good enough? According to what standard? Who's to say what "good enough" is? A huge part of having faith is the willingness to believe without having all the information. That's literally what faith means. Believing without knowing. I can understand why you think that's illogical but you can't tell us what's not good enough for us. A third of the world says it is good enough. Why is it such a big deal to you to know everything?

I didn't say it wasn't good enough for everyone but there are loads of holes and un answered questions to the myth it simply is not good enough for me to believe in something so frail, it seems to me that faith is so over rated because they desperately need it to fill in the gaps and replace reason.

Faith doesn't replace reason, it just adds to it.

lol how?

"if a man lays with another man as he does with a women, they shall be put to death, their blood shall be upon them." silly Israelites! this obviously meant to ignore the homosexuals because God was going to send them to hell even though he is omnipotent and would have known that they were going to be killed for hundreds of years because of this verse and didn't correct himself later on in the bible when hundreds of gay people were getting slaughtered, they were stupid.

Just because some of the prophesies haven't been fulfilled yet doesn't mean they never will be. We still have time left. As for the science thing, who gives a shit? Scientific knowledge isn't enough to disprove anything in the Bible. And if you're about to bring up the flat Earth issue, I'm prepared to respond to that.

nope, the problem is it says things like "no body will inhabit Egypt for 40 years", and then people inhabited it for thousands of years, it says "nobody will build on this city" and people build on it, they have been proven wrong

Cite those prophesies in the Bible. I'll read up on the context and respond to them. I know I said not to do that before but if it's just those two I'm willing to do that.

some where in here after 2:15
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d186Tn4He2I

The problem is you insist that having never interacted personally with this person constitutes that I shouldn't trust Him. But our ancestors knew Him personally and they passed the stories down to us. If my grandfather had an old war buddy that I never met but he told us countless stories about, I'd believe him. Jesus is like the old war buddy of everybody's grandfather.

no, I am saying you have no reason to believe he exists and that it is impossible to act loving towards him or love him in a psychological sense, the thing is no body has told first person accounts of Jesus so it's more like your grandfather telling you in his diary about his grandfathers friend who was a magical Jewish zombie, would you believe that?

>No reason to believe He exists

Except that He was already proven to have existed, plus several other things about Him were proven. The only thing not proven about Him was whether or not He was in fact divine.

And fine, call it something else then if it's not love. But you'd have to create a new language, because every translation of the Bible uses its respective word for love.

And yes, four people told first person accounts of Him. And two of them were apostles, and they were Jesus' entourage. They were closer to Him socially than anyone else.

And if a third of the world all had the same account of their ancestor being friends with a magical Jewish zombie, then sure, I'd buy that. I mean, assuming Christianity wasn't a thing, then yes. I wouldn't buy it now though, since I already believe in a different magical Jewish zombie who lived way before my great-great-grandfather.