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|#236 - if the religious person had the ball he would show it just lik… [+] (3 new replies)||01/30/2012 on logic||+2|
#241 - mr skeltal (01/30/2012) [-]
People who believe in any religion is stupid.
"I have the ball but i or anyone else have never seen it, but someone thousands of years ago say i got a ball so i got it!"
|#234 - philosophy, architecture, music, and even science have benefit… [+] (7 new replies)||01/30/2012 on logic||+3|
#237 - mr skeltal (01/30/2012) [-]
Yet religion relies solely on science,such a shame.
#238 - jellybob (01/30/2012) [-]
religion and science can co exist and actually have before. They are just different sides to the same coin. Both are trying to make the world a better place, you can't scientifically make a person live a better life or take up moral codes (with a few exceptions of course) just as you can't religiously cure disease or whatever else science does (I'm a musician so "sciencey" things are not my forte, and like last time, there may be some exceptions)
#269 - xashun (01/30/2012) [-]
now i dont usually try to argue religion and im not taking sides here, but i'd just like to make it clear to Jellybob that religion has caused more death than just about anything else (consider the crusades).
Also, it is true that science and religion were once one and the same, however as our understanding of the universe grew, what we called science branched out with the backing of logic, and religion survived with faith. Science and philosophy have not benefited from religion as the dark ages were a time of Christian induced scientific repression and Plato, one of the greatest philosophers in recorded history was executed because of (but not limited to) religious impiety- which he was accused of because he promoted critical thinking by challenging and/or examining their own ideas and beliefs.
idgaf if it's too long to read, moral of what im saying is know your shit before you say it.
#299 - mr skeltal (01/30/2012) [-]
*cough*britfat imperialism alone in india 15 million people*cough*, *cough*russian communism 61,000,000 people*cough*, *cough*industrialisation figures in the millions*cough*, *cough*amerifat capitalism since their colonisation, figures in the millions*cough*, *cough*ww1 8 million*cough*, *cough*ww2 55 million people*cough* *cough*just to name a few example of how many people the secular west has killed in the past 200 years*cough*
I'm sorry what did you say? Oh yeah the crusades. When did they happen? 1000 years ago? I don't know the exact figures, but I'm sure more then thousands of people died in that war. That's fucking horrible! Religion is the cause of everything evil in the world and we must fight it! Because without religion, no wars would exist and everyone would live happy forever!
But you know what? You're right when you say "know your shit before you say it."
#366 - xashun (01/30/2012) [-]
Yellow Scarves Rebellion - 7mil, French war of religion - 4mil, Crusades - 3mil* (excluding all the side conflict), Panthay Rebellion - 12mil, Holodomor - 10mil, African Holocaust - 1.2mil, Jewish Holocaust - 15mil (approx), Bangladesh Atrocities - 3mil, Khmer Rouge Repression - 3mil, Witch Hunt of the Dark Ages - 8mil, i could go on. you could also factor all the deaths caused by sicknesses we would have overcome if didn't have Christianity setting us back 700 years of scientific and medical advancement. so yea, i know my shit :)
that aside, i never once said that without religion the world would be without wars and whatnot, so TRY to hold back the condescension? and it pains me to see that you focused on a point i wasn't even trying to make =='' death tolls aside, try reading the actual body of my previous post, then make a structured (and hopefully less pretentious) response to that
#379 - jellybob (01/30/2012) [-]
war is the human condition, we will fight eachother over anything, World War 1 and 2 were not religious and they have been the most bloody conflicts to date. The crusades were based solely on religion yes, but it's not fair to blame religion for all conflicts of mankind, while yes it did play a part in alot of them, it wasn't the sole cause all the time
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