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|#159 - Can someone fill me in on whats happening? [+] (1 new reply)||09/22/2014 on 2based4me||+1|
|#104 - Greevon, hoponthefeelstrain, mangafix explain yourselves.||09/17/2014 on Bix Noodin'||0|
|#75 - That may be the way someone writes, that's not evidence that i… [+] (1 new reply)||09/14/2014 on Bix Noodin'||-2|
|#71 - Who - Black Males What - Look at the title: "Aggrav… [+] (3 new replies)||09/14/2014 on Bix Noodin'||-2|
|#69 - None of them start in the middle of an email though. They just… [+] (6 new replies)||09/14/2014 on Bix Noodin'||-3|
#71 - isenseven (09/14/2014) [-]
Who - Black Males
What - Look at the title: "Aggravated Robbery Case" by two black males in their teens
When - Probably says in the email somewhere.
Clearly there's not definitive format for something like this and they aren't all written by the same person.
Also, if he were to sear for "Black" in his email, then "Black" would always be the first word in the description, which is isn't in any case.
You're wrong, sorry.
|#17 - When you ask a question like that to a child, it's incredibly … [+] (17 new replies)||09/13/2014 on (untitled)||+263|
#139 - coronus (09/14/2014) [-]
Yes, it does imply a right answer, because it's a forced choice paradigm.
It's used in this case to unveil a learned race bias. For studies like this one the children are usually selected from an age range of 5 - 7, which allows for the inclusion of basic comparative reasoning (which develops at 7 - 8 in most people).
Forced choice almost always causes the subject to rely on learned and hard-coded schema and judgement, so its used to test that. It's definitely not the only section of the study, as that would leave too many confounds unattended. I would suspect the kids were given cognitive assessments and other judgement tasks to assess their baseline for logical reasoning, their attitudes toward race, and other basic cognitive factors.
#132 - CIS White Male (09/13/2014) [-]
Wheres the post of them asking a white kid?
#21 - sytheris (09/13/2014) [-]
The implication that there is a correct answer can direct the child to answer honestly. If you give them the cognitive cop-out, so to speak, then they may latch on to that question, rather than answering what the researchers want to learn about: "Do these children judge based on race? if so, what are their thoughts?"
#29 - sytheris (09/13/2014) [-]
you're assuming a lot about the child's understanding. Tests have shown children at various ages to have different levels of cognitive understanding at different times. "The kid doesn't know any better." is both unknowable based on this clip and a presumption on your part.
#30 - sirformidio (09/13/2014) [-]
Sure it's presumptious, but it's fairly fucking accurate when you see a five year old posed with the question "Which of these kids is smarter than the others", which implies a definitive answer, when the kid may or may not even be able to properly identify colours yet.
the test is biased and flawed fundamentally. It exists purely to gather 'evidence' that's about as stable as the geopolitical quagmire that is the middle east.
#31 - sytheris (09/13/2014) [-]
If you pretext the question with a statement like: "One of these kids is smarter than the others." then you are defining the situation. This is a testable condition, and as such, can be used as a defining statement.
Then, if you ask the child. "Which of these kids is the smartest?" they are simply reacting to a factual observation of a group. How they determine the answer is then based upon their biases and conceptions. Many will, in fact, say I don't know as an answer.
#36 - sytheris (09/13/2014) [-]
You do not know the parameters of the test. You're assuming the Psychologist who set up the parameters is incompetent because it supports your view of the data. We don't know what the child was told or asked beforehand or afterwards, but I've seen multiple tests like this one that have completely acceptable parameters and samples that have the exact same result.
#123 - WakaTakaBang (09/13/2014) [-]
Both of you are making some valid points, but I think I like yours a little bit better. The children are five years old, and you're testing their views on race. A psychologist would be complicating the question if the parameters weren't set to test for one specific thing. isenseven is making a slightly presumptuous argument when he say's "Since, in most cases in the world, brighter and lighter is a symbol for good and darker is a symbol for bad, they're just going to pick the lighter one." I just don't think that holds up. Asking "Is there any way of knowing if one of these children are smarter than the others?" is testing a child's ability to rationalize something completely different than what the pictured psychologist is testing for. Telling the patient "Show me the smart child" and then subsequently asking "Why is she the smart?" leaves the question open ended and allows for a qualitative, yet controlled, response.
#127 - sytheris (09/13/2014) [-]
Indeed. I've noticed an overall trend towards explaining away things like demonstrable privilege towards a specific gender or race, despite the evidence. Not in everyone here, of course, but people generally don't like to be wrong, or "the bad guy".
Could just be my limited observations though.
#159 - CIS White Male (09/14/2014) [-]
Just because you two are backing each other up here doesn't mean you're right... What's the sample? If it's a specific class then maybe sirformidio's suggestion has merit. Maybe the little white girl in class can already do her times tables, and knows the alphabet backwards.
Maybe this child has ingrained beliefs, gathered from a culture that believes itself heavily discriminated against. It is a fairly common view in some social sphere's and that's undeniable.
Furthermore, saying "which of these kids is the smartest implies that one of them is the smartest. Without the leading question, how is it fair to say the child truly believed that themselves? There's lots of evidence that children centre their answers around what they expect the listener wants to hear, here, that one of the options is correct. "Because she's white" is hardly descriptive. It doesn't answer why the child prescribes to that belief.
Shit, kids at that age can barely differentiate between sex!
#211 - WakaTakaBang (09/14/2014) [-]
I understand where you're coming from with that argument. Sure, kids can't conceptualize gender at that age, but that would be a different question altogether. What this is most likely testing for is a particular view of race at an early age. If I'm allowed to be just as presumptuous, I'm going to say that this study was done on a larger scale- more than one child.
You also state that the child possibly has "ingrained beliefs, gathered from a culture that believes itself heavily discriminated against." That's not so much a counterpoint as it is an accord with my views on the study. The girl has a preconceived notion that she is lesser due to stereotypes. You also go on to say, "There's lots of evidence that children center their answers around what they expect the listener wants to hear, here, that one of the options is correct." If that's the case, than this child already understands societies views on lighter skinned people.
I already talked about the leading question- it defines the parameters of the test. Without it, the child could choose to opt out. Instead, she took an "educated" guess and went with the answer she felt was most accurate. We're backing each other up because we believe we're correct, but you're welcome to have your own opinion.
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