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#99 - dangler (01/12/2014) [-]
Well, think about how good good things would feel if there was nothing bad to which to compare. Also, think about from where evil comes: mostly from man, does it not? If God were truly omnipotent and benevolent, would he simply remove free will from men? And if men are intrinsically evil, why would it be fair to just remove murderers and rapists, those which men oft consider evil, and not to do so to those guilty of lesser, even miniscule crimes?
#104 - jagenblitz (01/12/2014) [-]
You're equating acts of evil with anything "bad". Again, getting rid of those things would not make it so "there was nothing bad".
We were never meant to have free will in the first place. Besides, having the power to stop the gang rape of a twelve year old, but refusing to due so, is evil regardless of whether it would be infringing on free will.
If God refuses to stop acts of evil, why worship him? So that we can receive some reward after we die, which we have no evidence we will even earn and thus must operate on complete faith? Is that all our lives are? All our struggles, our pains and joys nothing more than some rap sheet an inter-dimensional Santa Clause looks at before deciding whether to place us on his proverbial naughty or nice list? That we exist only to be judged by someone who punishes us for the actions of our forefathers? What kind of mentality is that? Why subscribe yourself to that?
Not all crimes are created equal. Personally, I would not consider stealing a necklace to be "evil".
#105 - dangler (01/12/2014) [-]
What constitutes "evil" may be opinion-based, however can we not agree that men can be evil? I believe the idea is that God does not simply want to destroy men nor remove free will from our paths. I believe God means for men to stop evil and to do good by our own volition. What kind of justice would it be if we were simply forced into righteousness? Also, the whole heaven and hell thing is fairly irrelevant to the matter at hand, given the variety of beliefs on the subject. What matters is that we choose to do right and not evil because it is the right thing to do; acts of kindness and charity and love ought be the decisions and mindset of men. God is a creator, not a controller.
#110 - jagenblitz (01/12/2014) [-]
Can men be evil? Sure. But what is the point of creating something with the capacity to do evil, unless you are lacking in benevolence yourself? If God did not know that we would be tainted with the capacity to do evil, then he is not omnipotent.
God never intended for us to have free will in the first place. Giving us the capacity to do evil, then punishing us for using something he gave us, is not free will.
What justice is it to not stop acts of evil? Are you saying that laws are unjust? That a justice system is unjust? Because the very purpose of both is to force "righteous" behavior for the good of all mankind. If God does not work for me in my living life I have no reason to worship him in my living life.
The quote is referring to the Christian concept of God; and most modern religion has some concept of divine salvation or damnation based on deeds done in life.
How is God not a controller? He tells us what we should believe, holds the threat of eternal damnation over our heads, and actively punishes us for the sins of our forefathers.
#111 - dangler (01/12/2014) [-]
The intention was to create us with the capacity to do evil.. But also the capacity to do good. The threat of damnation is not held over our heads. In fact, it's not really a threat at all. If we're talking Christian beliefs, then we have to consider the fact that hell was created for the devil and his angels, not for men. But man fucked up. So, according to most Christian beliefs, men are now inherently evil, but still with the capacity to do good. According to the Christian Bible, God gave an avenue through which men can avoid damnation (Jesus, wuttup). Most protestants believe that redemption is solely through the Christ, not through their own acts; they believe men should do good because that is simply what they should do.
#115 - jagenblitz (01/12/2014) [-]
And what is the point of creating us with the capacity to do evil in the first place? There is no reason for a benevolent being to create evil in any form.
God being omnipotent means that, from the moment you were born, it was already predetermined as to whether you would go to Heaven or Hell. God knew, since the moment he created Adam and Eve, that you would ultimately be created with the capacity for good or evil. He created you with your eventual descent to Hell or ascent to Heaven already determined. Where is the free will there?
And if God is omnipotent, then he knew man would fuck up from the very beginning, meaning that Hell was, in fact, created for man as well and was always intended to become an eventual threat to mankind.
#117 - dangler (01/12/2014) [-]
Well, firstly, we're confusing omnipotent and omniscient (however most consider God to be both, so I don't suppose it matters much). The thing is, God did not program us to do wrong or right, or to go to heaven or hell. He knew which would occur since the beginning, but he did not make it so. And the capacity to do evil is not a form thereof; he created a being that is - I suppose we could call it - neutral. It's also very difficult to comprehend the whole "He didn't intend for us to do evil, even though he knew we would" and the "if God knew everything from the beginning, do we really have free will" things, etc. given that God probably does not operate within our realm of physics or with our perception of time.. My best guess would be that he made it so that, the way we perceive time and existence, we could choose to do right and feel the effects of our own goodwill as well as that of others.
Anyway, it's been a good conversation with you. I gotta go play poker. Peace out, bro.
#120 - jagenblitz (01/12/2014) [-]
If God created us knowing we would ultimately turn evil, then it is the same as programming us that way, because he had the power to make that not happen.
Even in God's realm, it seems pretty clear based on all of his actions that he ultimately intended for us to do evil.
|#30 - Science and Religion are not opposites. [+] (1 new reply)||01/11/2014 on (untitled)||+8|
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#38 - 2scared2login (01/09/2014) [-]
We got the most gold metals per athlete of all the countries. I know it's not supposed to be about winning or losing, but this is the real world. The real world has winners and losers. Mostly losers.