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#64 - >> #58 , >> #61 , Here is a little graphic , …  [+] (2 replies) 16 hours ago on Evil Germany 0
#189 - kanedam (9 hours ago) [-]
lets make it easier for you to understand what my problem with your kind of view is. we even simplify it by ignoring all the changes of the tribes and the migration and so on...

your statement basically is "nation 1 already exists as long as tribe A" completely ignoring that the tribe split up, formed different kingdoms, those kingdoms fell apart and formed different nations again...

the statement "the country germany is 1500 years old" simply isnt correct.
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#203 - internetexplain (17 minutes ago) [-]
I really don't know how to make this clear to you, but your idea is just...retarded.
If we completely ignore the history of a country and people to determine it's age, which would be the opposite of what I did. Then that only leaves us with the Nation State itself.
Nation States are a concept so new, that most countries existing today, preceed that Idea. You however are insisting that we can only classify a country, based on it's nation State, which would render China roughly 2000 years old, and everything else between 300 and 50 years.
As you can see, that idea is pretty fucking stupid, so stupid in fact I'd almost say you have to mentally defective to not recognize, that if Nation B and C are descended of Kingdom A , that Kingdom A counts to the age of Nation B and C.
I do realize the problem of "hurr we can continue this all the way back to the first Human" , but that's just silly, we have to draw a line somewhere, and even then we can draw it in a lot of places.
If I went full retard and insisted that Germany is as old as the Teutons, well then we have a 2500 year old country on our hands, but we don't. Germany isn't a single-tribe country like the other Germanic Nations like France , Spain , Portugal , Austria etc.
And the first 2 tribes that contributed to the creation of Germany , are the Franks and the Saxons, as such I'm counting their actions leading up to the founding of the Kingdom of Germany in the early 800s, as part of German history, and as such Germany's age. Which makes germany only about 200 - 300 years older than the strictest interpretation.
#53 - No, because the U.S was not a political entity of any sort unt…  [+] (1 reply) 17 hours ago on Evil Germany 0
#61 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
so if it wasnt a political entitiy until the 13 colonies, why do other countries count eventhough their political entitiy didnt exist?

and if one entity is destroyed and another entitiy takes over their place it means the new entitiy existed for as long as both the new and the old one combined?
#52 - France is easy. Started with the Frankish tribe, which was…  [+] (4 replies) 17 hours ago on Evil Germany +3
#58 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
so you can easily declare that german and france already existed eventhough both countries formed out of the carolingian empire?
you are going to say france existed eventhough it was the roman empire?
(also the franks were germanic tribe)
shouldnt one start the count of france as a country with the kingdom of france?

the example with the usa still stands. you consider people living somewhere to already be the nation, eventhough other tribes moved there, other empires formed, got destroyed, several reigns started and ended and the population changed drastically. not to consider how the nations themself perceived themself.

also i gave you the example of germany. that some people lived somewhere doesnt mean that the country already existed.
#64 - internetexplain (16 hours ago) [-]
>>#58, >>#61,
Here is a little graphic , and your strawman , side by side.

The Franks were a political entity as much as the Native Americans.
But France evolved from the Franks, America did not evolve from the Natives.
The English colonists are entity A. The Natives are entity B. The U.S is entity A, not B.
#189 - kanedam (9 hours ago) [-]
lets make it easier for you to understand what my problem with your kind of view is. we even simplify it by ignoring all the changes of the tribes and the migration and so on...

your statement basically is "nation 1 already exists as long as tribe A" completely ignoring that the tribe split up, formed different kingdoms, those kingdoms fell apart and formed different nations again...

the statement "the country germany is 1500 years old" simply isnt correct.
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#203 - internetexplain (17 minutes ago) [-]
I really don't know how to make this clear to you, but your idea is just...retarded.
If we completely ignore the history of a country and people to determine it's age, which would be the opposite of what I did. Then that only leaves us with the Nation State itself.
Nation States are a concept so new, that most countries existing today, preceed that Idea. You however are insisting that we can only classify a country, based on it's nation State, which would render China roughly 2000 years old, and everything else between 300 and 50 years.
As you can see, that idea is pretty fucking stupid, so stupid in fact I'd almost say you have to mentally defective to not recognize, that if Nation B and C are descended of Kingdom A , that Kingdom A counts to the age of Nation B and C.
I do realize the problem of "hurr we can continue this all the way back to the first Human" , but that's just silly, we have to draw a line somewhere, and even then we can draw it in a lot of places.
If I went full retard and insisted that Germany is as old as the Teutons, well then we have a 2500 year old country on our hands, but we don't. Germany isn't a single-tribe country like the other Germanic Nations like France , Spain , Portugal , Austria etc.
And the first 2 tribes that contributed to the creation of Germany , are the Franks and the Saxons, as such I'm counting their actions leading up to the founding of the Kingdom of Germany in the early 800s, as part of German history, and as such Germany's age. Which makes germany only about 200 - 300 years older than the strictest interpretation.
#49 - yes, I'm counting the years of a country's existence, rather t…  [+] (3 replies) 17 hours ago on Evil Germany 0
#51 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
then the united states existed for 30.000years because people were living there for so long? that americans werent a thing doesnt mean the usa hasnt been around?
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#53 - internetexplain (17 hours ago) [-]
No, because the U.S was not a political entity of any sort until the 13 colonies.
#61 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
so if it wasnt a political entitiy until the 13 colonies, why do other countries count eventhough their political entitiy didnt exist?

and if one entity is destroyed and another entitiy takes over their place it means the new entitiy existed for as long as both the new and the old one combined?
#47 - Germany : 1500 France : 1500 England : 1100 N…  [+] (10 replies) 17 hours ago on Evil Germany +2
#48 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
how do you get that number?

you cant seriously think that the countries called france, germany and england are that old. i got to admit i dont know exactly about england... but france and germany arent that old.
germany as a nationstate was founded around 1870. in the timeframe you mentioned it was a long time still the holy roman empire (Heilige römische reich deutscher nation"
same goes with france... it was the carolingian empire.

and so on... i really dont get how you get the count of years you stated. care to explain?
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#52 - internetexplain (17 hours ago) [-]
France is easy.
Started with the Frankish tribe, which was given land by the Roman Empire in today's Holland, at around 400-ish AD
From that exact location, the Franks later conquered Gaul when West-Rome collapsed.
That puts France at around 1500 - 1600 years of existence.

Since I love me some technicalities - the Franks founded Germany, so the Franks too dictate the age of Germany , making it the same as France.

England is a tricky one, you can slap a lot of ages on that.
If you say England became England when the Anglosaxons first established the Kingdom of Anglia, then England is easily as old as France and Germany.
If you say England became England when they got close to uniting for the first time, this would put England at around 1200 years
If you say England became England when it was a singular political entity, you would have 1000 - 1066 AD making England 1000 years old.
I took an average of sorts between option 2 and 3 , and made it 1100 years.

Politics do not require people to consent to the idea of union, that's why Multi-ethnic Empires have existed for the majority of recorded history.
#58 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
so you can easily declare that german and france already existed eventhough both countries formed out of the carolingian empire?
you are going to say france existed eventhough it was the roman empire?
(also the franks were germanic tribe)
shouldnt one start the count of france as a country with the kingdom of france?

the example with the usa still stands. you consider people living somewhere to already be the nation, eventhough other tribes moved there, other empires formed, got destroyed, several reigns started and ended and the population changed drastically. not to consider how the nations themself perceived themself.

also i gave you the example of germany. that some people lived somewhere doesnt mean that the country already existed.
#64 - internetexplain (16 hours ago) [-]
>>#58, >>#61,
Here is a little graphic , and your strawman , side by side.

The Franks were a political entity as much as the Native Americans.
But France evolved from the Franks, America did not evolve from the Natives.
The English colonists are entity A. The Natives are entity B. The U.S is entity A, not B.
#189 - kanedam (9 hours ago) [-]
lets make it easier for you to understand what my problem with your kind of view is. we even simplify it by ignoring all the changes of the tribes and the migration and so on...

your statement basically is "nation 1 already exists as long as tribe A" completely ignoring that the tribe split up, formed different kingdoms, those kingdoms fell apart and formed different nations again...

the statement "the country germany is 1500 years old" simply isnt correct.
User avatar
#203 - internetexplain (17 minutes ago) [-]
I really don't know how to make this clear to you, but your idea is just...retarded.
If we completely ignore the history of a country and people to determine it's age, which would be the opposite of what I did. Then that only leaves us with the Nation State itself.
Nation States are a concept so new, that most countries existing today, preceed that Idea. You however are insisting that we can only classify a country, based on it's nation State, which would render China roughly 2000 years old, and everything else between 300 and 50 years.
As you can see, that idea is pretty fucking stupid, so stupid in fact I'd almost say you have to mentally defective to not recognize, that if Nation B and C are descended of Kingdom A , that Kingdom A counts to the age of Nation B and C.
I do realize the problem of "hurr we can continue this all the way back to the first Human" , but that's just silly, we have to draw a line somewhere, and even then we can draw it in a lot of places.
If I went full retard and insisted that Germany is as old as the Teutons, well then we have a 2500 year old country on our hands, but we don't. Germany isn't a single-tribe country like the other Germanic Nations like France , Spain , Portugal , Austria etc.
And the first 2 tribes that contributed to the creation of Germany , are the Franks and the Saxons, as such I'm counting their actions leading up to the founding of the Kingdom of Germany in the early 800s, as part of German history, and as such Germany's age. Which makes germany only about 200 - 300 years older than the strictest interpretation.
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#49 - internetexplain (17 hours ago) [-]
yes, I'm counting the years of a country's existence, rather than the idea of people identifying with that country (nation state)
Just because German people weren't a thing until like 300 years ago, doesn't mean Germany hasn't been around since 500 AD
#51 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
then the united states existed for 30.000years because people were living there for so long? that americans werent a thing doesnt mean the usa hasnt been around?
User avatar
#53 - internetexplain (17 hours ago) [-]
No, because the U.S was not a political entity of any sort until the 13 colonies.
#61 - kanedam (17 hours ago) [-]
so if it wasnt a political entitiy until the 13 colonies, why do other countries count eventhough their political entitiy didnt exist?

and if one entity is destroyed and another entitiy takes over their place it means the new entitiy existed for as long as both the new and the old one combined?
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