Yeah, unfortunately the only way to do so is to reform the government, but on top of that we must also change the way people think both about the environment and science as a whole.

I'm telling you exactly what the senate would do, they would argue to cut the cost of veterans. It's what they already do. Cutting the military budget always leads to this, and truth be told the best solution is get a new government but that takes a long time. As it stands the military does create a job and don't forget for every single tank produced someone on many many levels got paid from the ceo all the way down to the factory workers. It's not like this money vanishes, although I'll grant a fair amount does indeed go into politicians pockets and of course the CEOs pockets but to be honest that is what has always, ALWAYS happened ever since the countries foundation and it will not change without fundamentally changing the government.
So basically we're fucked as far as budget goes because its always going to be a bit too high because we will always do dumb shit because politicians are corrupt fucks and would rather take away the salaries and other important stuff than to lose money making sensible cuts to overproduction. Because they're corrupt.

Yeah, unfortunately the only way to do so is to reform the government, but on top of that we must also change the way people think both about the environment and science as a whole.

I genuinely believe that we can. Looking to WW2 for an example, it's definitely possible to fight an ideology like this. An ideology where the other side believes they are in the right, they are the chosen ones, and they will do everything it takes to ensure their rightful place. We were able to defeat the Nazis and militarized Japan, and then were able to occupy and rebuild their territory and help them match to our standards for nations.

We were successful because, like Muslims, the majority of Germans and Japanese were good people who wanted peace. That's why I believe that even though a war would be extremely violent and brutal, if properly done, we can eliminate the threat and help the Middle East rebuild and truly become democratic.

Losing to them means failing in their ultimate goal to establish a caliphate.

I think containment is only going to be an option until the next big terror attack in the US. After that, people are going to want war. Home grown terrorism can be defeated, just like home grown communist revolutionaries. All it takes is time and winning the ideological battle

Well firstly if having Islam being associated with terrorism causes Muslims to want to join up with ISIS and kill the West, rather than want to perform serious introspection into their religion and work with the West to get rid of terrorists, they're not good people and deserve it. Secondly, even if their goal is to turn Muslims against non-Muslims, the Muslims would lose. I'm sure most of them know that. You are right that they are not necessarily representative of the views that the majority of Muslims share, but they do interpret Islam in the way that they believe is best, and are by definition, Islamic. Doesn't make them any less of fucking faggot extremists tho

I genuinely believe that we can. Looking to WW2 for an example, it's definitely possible to fight an ideology like this. An ideology where the other side believes they are in the right, they are the chosen ones, and they will do everything it takes to ensure their rightful place. We were able to defeat the Nazis and militarized Japan, and then were able to occupy and rebuild their territory and help them match to our standards for nations.

We were successful because, like Muslims, the majority of Germans and Japanese were good people who wanted peace. That's why I believe that even though a war would be extremely violent and brutal, if properly done, we can eliminate the threat and help the Middle East rebuild and truly become democratic.

Losing to them means failing in their ultimate goal to establish a caliphate.

I think containment is only going to be an option until the next big terror attack in the US. After that, people are going to want war. Home grown terrorism can be defeated, just like home grown communist revolutionaries. All it takes is time and winning the ideological battle

because Islamic extremism is the most accurate term and most people avoid using it to avoid offending Muslims, which is retarded

Well firstly if having Islam being associated with terrorism causes Muslims to want to join up with ISIS and kill the West, rather than want to perform serious introspection into their religion and work with the West to get rid of terrorists, they're not good people and deserve it. Secondly, even if their goal is to turn Muslims against non-Muslims, the Muslims would lose. I'm sure most of them know that. You are right that they are not necessarily representative of the views that the majority of Muslims share, but they do interpret Islam in the way that they believe is best, and are by definition, Islamic. Doesn't make them any less of fucking faggot extremists tho

I genuinely believe that we can. Looking to WW2 for an example, it's definitely possible to fight an ideology like this. An ideology where the other side believes they are in the right, they are the chosen ones, and they will do everything it takes to ensure their rightful place. We were able to defeat the Nazis and militarized Japan, and then were able to occupy and rebuild their territory and help them match to our standards for nations.

We were successful because, like Muslims, the majority of Germans and Japanese were good people who wanted peace. That's why I believe that even though a war would be extremely violent and brutal, if properly done, we can eliminate the threat and help the Middle East rebuild and truly become democratic.

Losing to them means failing in their ultimate goal to establish a caliphate.

I think containment is only going to be an option until the next big terror attack in the US. After that, people are going to want war. Home grown terrorism can be defeated, just like home grown communist revolutionaries. All it takes is time and winning the ideological battle