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#389 - You are defending the kid because you know what happened. You …  [+] (3 new replies) 08/04/2015 on Why Cops are suspicious 0
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#390 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I never defended the kid , the kid was dumb (as kids tend to be because they are kids)

I condemned the officer because he was clearly in the wrong he didn't even follow his own fucking procedures !
He turned a simple misunderstanding into a murder. Had he acted appropriately the whole situation could have been resolved peacefully , someone that incompetent has no place wearing a police uniform and should not be allowed to carry a gun. The police are supposed to be better then common thugs not the same or worse. added to the fact DA's keep letting guilty cops walk because they work together and if a cops cases come into question it affects the DA too. Police corruption breeds mistrust among the people which causes more police to be shot , which causes the police to retaliate and shoot more people in a cycle of death. Until the police submit themselves before the law they swore to uphold and attempt to restore all the public trust they have thrown away things will only get worse. The goverment should set up a court independent of the DA and other conflicts of interest for a start. You have to restore the peoples trust in the police if you want them to be respected again. If your organization is going to support and protect the guilty because they are brothers in blue then you are a criminal organization (despite and good some members might do) just another gang vying for turf and power.
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#391 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
What are his procedures then? The kid pulled the gun on him when he said to drop the weapon. That's called self defense.
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#392 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
Well yelling "drop the weapon " while you shoot him 2 seconds after you jumped out of you cruiser. Is not standard procedure. Also running up to him till you are 3 feet away somehow makes it impossible to tazer him instead ?

If you junp out of your car with guns blazing you went there to kill someone not to calm down a situation.
#387 - Il just stop this here before you start saying stupid stuff  [+] (5 new replies) 08/04/2015 on Why Cops are suspicious 0
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#388 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]

I don't say stupid stuff , I say things that are true, people who don't want the truth call it stupid.
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#389 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
You are defending the kid because you know what happened. You know that he was carrying a toy gun and you know that he was 13. To the cops he appeared as an adult male carrying a lethal weapon. I understand what happened was sad but its basically like running around an airport wearing a pretend bomb yelling allahu akbar.
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#390 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I never defended the kid , the kid was dumb (as kids tend to be because they are kids)

I condemned the officer because he was clearly in the wrong he didn't even follow his own fucking procedures !
He turned a simple misunderstanding into a murder. Had he acted appropriately the whole situation could have been resolved peacefully , someone that incompetent has no place wearing a police uniform and should not be allowed to carry a gun. The police are supposed to be better then common thugs not the same or worse. added to the fact DA's keep letting guilty cops walk because they work together and if a cops cases come into question it affects the DA too. Police corruption breeds mistrust among the people which causes more police to be shot , which causes the police to retaliate and shoot more people in a cycle of death. Until the police submit themselves before the law they swore to uphold and attempt to restore all the public trust they have thrown away things will only get worse. The goverment should set up a court independent of the DA and other conflicts of interest for a start. You have to restore the peoples trust in the police if you want them to be respected again. If your organization is going to support and protect the guilty because they are brothers in blue then you are a criminal organization (despite and good some members might do) just another gang vying for turf and power.
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#391 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
What are his procedures then? The kid pulled the gun on him when he said to drop the weapon. That's called self defense.
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#392 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
Well yelling "drop the weapon " while you shoot him 2 seconds after you jumped out of you cruiser. Is not standard procedure. Also running up to him till you are 3 feet away somehow makes it impossible to tazer him instead ?

If you junp out of your car with guns blazing you went there to kill someone not to calm down a situation.
#385 - Well anyway, in the case of someone being suspected as armed i…  [+] (7 new replies) 08/04/2015 on Why Cops are suspicious 0
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#386 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
if you are near enough to determin they are possibly carring a gun you are close enough to taze them.
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#387 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
Il just stop this here before you start saying stupid stuff
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#388 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]

I don't say stupid stuff , I say things that are true, people who don't want the truth call it stupid.
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#389 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
You are defending the kid because you know what happened. You know that he was carrying a toy gun and you know that he was 13. To the cops he appeared as an adult male carrying a lethal weapon. I understand what happened was sad but its basically like running around an airport wearing a pretend bomb yelling allahu akbar.
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#390 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I never defended the kid , the kid was dumb (as kids tend to be because they are kids)

I condemned the officer because he was clearly in the wrong he didn't even follow his own fucking procedures !
He turned a simple misunderstanding into a murder. Had he acted appropriately the whole situation could have been resolved peacefully , someone that incompetent has no place wearing a police uniform and should not be allowed to carry a gun. The police are supposed to be better then common thugs not the same or worse. added to the fact DA's keep letting guilty cops walk because they work together and if a cops cases come into question it affects the DA too. Police corruption breeds mistrust among the people which causes more police to be shot , which causes the police to retaliate and shoot more people in a cycle of death. Until the police submit themselves before the law they swore to uphold and attempt to restore all the public trust they have thrown away things will only get worse. The goverment should set up a court independent of the DA and other conflicts of interest for a start. You have to restore the peoples trust in the police if you want them to be respected again. If your organization is going to support and protect the guilty because they are brothers in blue then you are a criminal organization (despite and good some members might do) just another gang vying for turf and power.
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#391 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
What are his procedures then? The kid pulled the gun on him when he said to drop the weapon. That's called self defense.
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#392 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
Well yelling "drop the weapon " while you shoot him 2 seconds after you jumped out of you cruiser. Is not standard procedure. Also running up to him till you are 3 feet away somehow makes it impossible to tazer him instead ?

If you junp out of your car with guns blazing you went there to kill someone not to calm down a situation.
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#90 - repostforlife (08/04/2015) [-]
that has to be the best thing I've ever seen
#380 - I had cops in my middle and high school and neither of them ca…  [+] (9 new replies) 08/04/2015 on Why Cops are suspicious 0
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#383 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
weird tazers are standard Issue here.
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#385 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
Well anyway, in the case of someone being suspected as armed in pretty sure the go to weapon is your pistol because tasers aren't very good at all ranges.
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#386 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
if you are near enough to determin they are possibly carring a gun you are close enough to taze them.
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#387 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
Il just stop this here before you start saying stupid stuff
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#388 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]

I don't say stupid stuff , I say things that are true, people who don't want the truth call it stupid.
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#389 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
You are defending the kid because you know what happened. You know that he was carrying a toy gun and you know that he was 13. To the cops he appeared as an adult male carrying a lethal weapon. I understand what happened was sad but its basically like running around an airport wearing a pretend bomb yelling allahu akbar.
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#390 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I never defended the kid , the kid was dumb (as kids tend to be because they are kids)

I condemned the officer because he was clearly in the wrong he didn't even follow his own fucking procedures !
He turned a simple misunderstanding into a murder. Had he acted appropriately the whole situation could have been resolved peacefully , someone that incompetent has no place wearing a police uniform and should not be allowed to carry a gun. The police are supposed to be better then common thugs not the same or worse. added to the fact DA's keep letting guilty cops walk because they work together and if a cops cases come into question it affects the DA too. Police corruption breeds mistrust among the people which causes more police to be shot , which causes the police to retaliate and shoot more people in a cycle of death. Until the police submit themselves before the law they swore to uphold and attempt to restore all the public trust they have thrown away things will only get worse. The goverment should set up a court independent of the DA and other conflicts of interest for a start. You have to restore the peoples trust in the police if you want them to be respected again. If your organization is going to support and protect the guilty because they are brothers in blue then you are a criminal organization (despite and good some members might do) just another gang vying for turf and power.
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#391 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
What are his procedures then? The kid pulled the gun on him when he said to drop the weapon. That's called self defense.
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#392 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
Well yelling "drop the weapon " while you shoot him 2 seconds after you jumped out of you cruiser. Is not standard procedure. Also running up to him till you are 3 feet away somehow makes it impossible to tazer him instead ?

If you junp out of your car with guns blazing you went there to kill someone not to calm down a situation.
#111 - The second guy was asking for it. He pulled the gun on the cop…  [+] (52 new replies) 08/03/2015 on Why Cops are suspicious 0
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#134 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
cops have tazers for a reason you know.
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#380 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
I had cops in my middle and high school and neither of them carried a taser, yet they both carried a gun. Which is only used for self defense, which is how it was used in both these cases, doesn't matter what age the person is.
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#383 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
weird tazers are standard Issue here.
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#385 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
Well anyway, in the case of someone being suspected as armed in pretty sure the go to weapon is your pistol because tasers aren't very good at all ranges.
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#386 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
if you are near enough to determin they are possibly carring a gun you are close enough to taze them.
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#387 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
Il just stop this here before you start saying stupid stuff
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#388 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]

I don't say stupid stuff , I say things that are true, people who don't want the truth call it stupid.
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#389 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
You are defending the kid because you know what happened. You know that he was carrying a toy gun and you know that he was 13. To the cops he appeared as an adult male carrying a lethal weapon. I understand what happened was sad but its basically like running around an airport wearing a pretend bomb yelling allahu akbar.
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#390 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I never defended the kid , the kid was dumb (as kids tend to be because they are kids)

I condemned the officer because he was clearly in the wrong he didn't even follow his own fucking procedures !
He turned a simple misunderstanding into a murder. Had he acted appropriately the whole situation could have been resolved peacefully , someone that incompetent has no place wearing a police uniform and should not be allowed to carry a gun. The police are supposed to be better then common thugs not the same or worse. added to the fact DA's keep letting guilty cops walk because they work together and if a cops cases come into question it affects the DA too. Police corruption breeds mistrust among the people which causes more police to be shot , which causes the police to retaliate and shoot more people in a cycle of death. Until the police submit themselves before the law they swore to uphold and attempt to restore all the public trust they have thrown away things will only get worse. The goverment should set up a court independent of the DA and other conflicts of interest for a start. You have to restore the peoples trust in the police if you want them to be respected again. If your organization is going to support and protect the guilty because they are brothers in blue then you are a criminal organization (despite and good some members might do) just another gang vying for turf and power.
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#391 - iLime (08/04/2015) [-]
What are his procedures then? The kid pulled the gun on him when he said to drop the weapon. That's called self defense.
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#392 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
Well yelling "drop the weapon " while you shoot him 2 seconds after you jumped out of you cruiser. Is not standard procedure. Also running up to him till you are 3 feet away somehow makes it impossible to tazer him instead ?

If you junp out of your car with guns blazing you went there to kill someone not to calm down a situation.
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#180 - dammriver (08/03/2015) [-]
The TASER's effective range is 5-7 feet away. Closer can/usually will make the two prongs be too close to do anything effective, and further can make it much easier for one of the prongs to miss the suspect entirely.
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#239 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
Bullshit a standard police Issue tazer here in Canada has an effective accurate range of 25-50 feet but can shoot up to 75 feet if the officier is a good shot.
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#297 - dammriver (08/03/2015) [-]
Ahh, yeah, ok.. They invented the "TASER shotgun" a few years ago. This fires a round that looks like a shotgun shell. The entire projectile has an effective range of 30 feet, which was the farthest-firing TASER up until then. Since then, the distance hasn't increased, but they can fire more than once on some models.
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#368 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
I think you mean 30 yards not feet.
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#369 - dammriver (08/04/2015) [-]
Sorry, I was incorrect. The effective range off of the line was around 100 ft.
www.popsci.com/gear-amp-gadgets/article/2009-07/taser-rolls-out-shocking-devices-shotty

And I was incorrect with my earlier statement. It starts to become ineffective within the 5-7 ft. mark. That said, the MAX effective range for the TASER X-26 is 25 ft.
www.spartancops.com/defeating-taser-combat/
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#382 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
No problem everyone makes mistakes.
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#395 - dammriver (08/04/2015) [-]
But the point still stands, the maximum effective range of the standard-issue TASER is 25 ft. Not 50/75 ft.
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#396 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
accurate range 25 feet , you can shoot further but accuracy is very low. If you are a very good shot you could conceivably compensate up to 40 or 50 feet .
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#397 - dammriver (08/04/2015) [-]
The two prongs have too much of a spread at 25 ft to both hit a target, and they are connected to the "gun" portion by wires that don't go much further than 25 ft.

The maximum effective range is 25 ft.
That means that, after 25 ft., the TASER less-lethal weapons system becomes ineffective.
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#398 - timmywankenobi (08/04/2015) [-]
"The two prongs have too much of a spread at 25 ft to both hit a target" - one prong is usually enough.

"The maximum effective range is 25 ft." - No the maximum accurate range is 25ft a sharpshooter could hit farther.

Besides the original point I was arguing against (if you check the comments) was that a Tazer could only reach 7ft, I said 25ft I was right.

25ft is more then enough for police to use in the scenario with the kid in the park.
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#399 - dammriver (08/05/2015) [-]
No, the two prongs both need to be in you for the TASER to even operate, as it creates an electrical path between them...

And it says maximum effective range.

Yes, that is what you were arguing against, but you said that anywhere from 25 ft-75 ft was still effective.

Each scenario is different, and I'm not going to attempt to prove either innocence or guilt here right now.
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#400 - timmywankenobi (08/05/2015) [-]
"No, the two prongs both need to be in you for the TASER to even operate, as it creates an electrical path between them..." -odd considering I've seen a guy get hit by one prong and go down like a sack of potatoes.

I don't think you understand how electricity works, see the charge travels down the cables and out through the metal prongs only one prong has to touch your body to create a circuit.

"t you said that anywhere from 25 ft-75 ft was still effective. " it is if your cables are long enough and you hit the target.

Each scenario is different, and I'm not going to attempt to prove either innocence or guilt here right now. - that's right every scenario is different but eh fact remains the police are too quick to go for their guns with tasers would be the better choice.
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#401 - dammriver (08/07/2015) [-]
I do understand how electricity works. I studied electricity for 4 years, and it's mandatory that we know how it works being a firefighter.

That said, I also know how a TASER works. That's where you seem to lack. A TASER system needs to hit you with both prongs to complete the circuit. Will they still feel it? Yes, they'll feel a little shock, but it won't drop the person if both prongs don't hit them.
Look at this article: www.stun-gun-defense-products.com/buy-stun-gun/taser-versus-stun-gun.html

A little over half-way down the page, look at the "TASER Cons" paragraph.

Also, the first prong of a TASER is a straight shot, while the second is at an angle (to increase prong spread). This means that there is a distance where both prongs would fully miss the target, anyway. Also, since the TASER system fires with less force than a BB gun, you aren't getting too much distance.

Here's another article for you: www.tricitytribuneusa.com/tasers-not-always-100-percent-effective/

Oh, and the spread that you are looking for is around 6 inches. This makes it so your most-effective range can be anywhere from 3-7 ft., depending on the TASER used. Can it still hit a target at up to 25 feet? Yeah, I guess, but it won't have nearly as devastating of an effect as it would from 3-7 ft.
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#162 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
We are supposed to use one level of force above what is presented at us, not one below. A taser is not a magical "off" switch for bad guys, and they do not always work, and you only get one shot.

Use common sense, retard.
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#240 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
"A taser is not a magical "off" switch for bad guys, and they do not always work, and you only get one shot. " Except 90% of the time it is.

" you only get one shot" - That's why we make police officers go to target practice.

Also we are talking about the sapecific scenario given by op of a boy walking in a park with a toy gun not even pointing it at an officer and the officer just started shooting thinking the gun was real without even announcing himself or anything. he could have tazered the boy easily if h was unsure if the gun was real.
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#251 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
maybe you're unintelligent and biased ? not my comments , maybe some cops make bad judgment calls and aren't perfect , maybe many officers mean well but are too gun happy for whatever reason and often don't even remember they have a tazer since they are so quick to reach for their gun and escalate situations instead of De-escalating them down they never use them.

Just a few months ago here In Montreal a 45ish frail man suffering from schizophrenia had a break down and was running around in the street with a small hammer (from a tool box) yelling about space aliens. 4 police officers responded after his sister called them and told them what was going on , they yelled at him to stop and put the hammer down but he kept yelling about aliens. then he took a few steps towards the 4 officers and they yelled stop and with in a second opened fire shooting him 6 times. The officers then claimed he was armed with a lethal weapon and they feared for their lives plus failed to respond to police orders and thus the killing was justified and appropriate force was used. The chief of police agreed.

Really 4 young fully armed and geared police officers can't stop a frail older man with a tiny hammer without killing him ? Bullshit.
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#252 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
I'm not reading all that shit, I'm just gonna say, it's a good thing you aren't in any position of authority or else we'd see a lot more dead police officers.
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#253 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
maybe their would be a few more dead officers but their would be 100x less dead civilians and aren't police supposed to be serving the public not their own egos ?
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#255 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
Jesus christ you are actually a fucking retard if you believe that police kill that many civilians unjustly... An officer is killed every 50 hours, a civilian is not killed by an officer every 50 hours.
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#267 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
you are actually a fucking retard if you believe that police kill that many civilians ***unjustly***
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#270 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
When you get to investigate your own and are above the law it is very easy to claim 99% of shooting are juistified.
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#272 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
>what are 3rd party PI's
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#273 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
PI's on the police payroll. Also PI's are rarely used.Usually its other officers investigating. so you can see how it allows even a little corruption allows police to be lawless and why so many people are filled with contempt for the police, when so many of them act like a goverment sanctioned mafia.
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#275 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
No, they're paid by the state, not the police department.

I was unaware you know how an investigation works better than me, have you been an officer longer than me? What's your certification number?
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#277 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
Right. I'm sure if that PI came back with a finding they didn't want to hear they would totally hire him again. Also lets not forget the justice system wont even prosecute corrupt officers and officers that are clearly guilty of murders, because they work with the DA so it's a conflict of interest that police take full advantage of again making police look like scum bags.
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#280 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
THE PD DOES NOT HIRE THE 3RD PARTY PI

THE STATE DOES

HOW DO I MAKE THIS CLEARER YOU FUCKING IMBECILE
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#282 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
Because the state and the police are not connected in any way and they totally wouldn't want to cover up police fuck ups right ? and they totally wouldn't hire PI's that will just tell them what they want to hear right ?
Because the state totally doesn't use the police as a private army right ?
So covering for the police totally wouldn't be in their intrests right ?
And I'm sure the DA's career would do real well if he convited a cop of a crime right ?
Cause the cops he has to work with every day totally aren't going to resent him right ?
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#283 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
That's it, you've won, you're officially too fucking stupid for me to even try and argue with. It's literally like talking to a brick wall.
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#287 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
You are too naive if you think the police as a organization aren't corrupt as sin, and if you don't think the judicial system is covering your ass because it's mutually beneficial to them as they are also corrupt criminals.

How can you possibly expect to police society when you can't even police your own organization ?

and what good are police when at least a quarter of them are worse criminals then they people they arrest ?

Who watches the watchmen ?
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#259 - timmywankenobi (08/03/2015) [-]
I would love a Citation on that please.
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#261 - roliga (08/03/2015) [-]
www.nationalreview.com/article/385458/cop-killed-every-58-hours-michelle-malkin

I'd like a citation of you passing tenth grade, because I refuse to believe any adult could be this stupid.
#116 - justtocomment (08/03/2015) [-]
He held the gun up - not pointing it at the cops. It's blurry and that's an understandable mistake. But look to the kid's right side - the end of the gun is clearly pointing 90 degrees away from his body. He held it up in a "see?" sort of way.
Even if he had aimed it, what kind of cop assumes a 12 year old child has a real gun? Who sees a kid in a park with a gun and thinks "KILLER!" before "oh cool air soft gun!"
And you know, before you say it (and I assume your response will be something along the lines of "well I wouldn't risk it either I'd be scared that it was real and err on the side of caution" because that's always the response to this case) you aren't a cop. You don't have the same level of responsibility for the safety of others before yourself. Was there even an attempt to talk him down? If this really was a troubled child who had no concept of what his actions could possibly mean, why is the gut reflex to shoot? No talking? No rationalizing? No "hey, kid, let's put the gun down and sort this out"? Just a bullet. A child died because he had a toy - and you would blame the toy manufacturer before the cop who pulled the trigger?
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#152 - blastwavegaming (08/03/2015) [-]
It's more common than you think in certain areas for a 12 year old kid to have a real gun.

But that's just based off where I grew up around. Not sure how well it'd apply in other areas.
#205 - justtocomment (08/03/2015) [-]
Well I grew up in the boonies, so yeah most kids owned a rifle by the time they were actually legally old enough to own one.
And that just increases how upset that situation makes me. He was a kid. Even if he had a real gun, what the hell kind of ill will could he enact? He'd be more likely to accidently hurt someone or himself.
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#342 - commontroll (08/03/2015) [-]
You grew up in the boonies, I grew up in the ghetto. Kids can and will kill, especially when they have gangs telling them all kinds of bullshit.
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#190 - hoponthefeelstrain (08/03/2015) [-]
but still the kid should have gotten a warning
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#340 - commontroll (08/03/2015) [-]
Well hindsight is great and all, but what if it was real? Guns make things very fast, and they drew after he drew. If they already have the guns out then it's easier for them to say "drop it."
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#352 - hoponthefeelstrain (08/03/2015) [-]
well yea they were both drawn and they didn't know what was on his mind but saying "drop it" and giving him at least 2-3 seconds to do so is better than just walking up and popping some caps in him.
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#359 - commontroll (08/04/2015) [-]
No, they didn't have their guns out yet, that's what I was saying, meaning they had to outdraw somebody who was already drawing.
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#76 - lavosct (08/03/2015) [-]
Dude she's like twelve skinner
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#69 - gibroner (08/03/2015) [-]
I told your mom she's gonna ground you
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