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#216 - xxxsonic fanxxx (10/21/2012) [-]
And the holocaust has something to do with religion?
Huh, and here's me thinking that it was an ethnic cleansing..
#214 - drewbridge (10/21/2012) [-]
If you're saying Christians committed the holocaust....lol no. no-one was saying "Man, I hope Jesus is happy about all these people we're gassing and burning, because we are doing it purely for the sake of Him and Christianity."
They killed jews because they believed they were tainting the white race by being leeches and greedy.
I'd say 95% of Christians today support the Jews and Israel today, anyway.
#254 - xxxsonic fanxxx (10/21/2012) [-]
Also, Hitler was athiest. The Nazi Regime was athiest. not christian at all. Js
#226 - drewbridge (10/21/2012) [-]
They used hardcore nationalism and were brainwashed into believing that Jews were literally inferior people. I think about 90% of the current German population was Christian/Catholic.
If I'm a leader who is a genocidal maniac, and my people are 90% Muslim, you sure as hell bet I'm going to be "Muslim", and tell them their God told me to murder millions of innocent people. (They were still mad about getting kind of fucked over in WW1, and were out for redemption)
#248 - drewbridge (10/21/2012) [-]
It did, but only a very small amount. They were happy that Hitler was a Christian. If you ask any of the German soldiers who fought during WW2 why they were fighting or why they hated the jews, they'd give you political, economical or racial reasons, and I'd highly, highly doubt any religious reasons.
Hitler's big thing was "Jews ruined economy and ruin everything, go kill them."
Not really "Your God said to kill jews so go do that."
#265 - noblexfenrir (10/21/2012) [-]
That doesn't make much sense though to say religion wasn't a reasoning tool, since the very large amount of Christians agreed with hitler and a lot of his points, this would also lead to them agreeing it followed their religion, since of they had the inkling of an idea their god would not want this, then why would they endorse nazi actions? You could say they were forced but many did so willingly.
#203 - noblexfenrir (10/21/2012) [-]
Yes you would....because Christians are still people with evolved morals. Even so, look up letters sent from bishops around the world and even from the Vatican, telling hitler they supported him and wishing him good fortune in his cause.
Christianity was a leading force in the holocaust, why is that wrong to say?
#208 - kook (10/21/2012) [-]
Henry Ford heavily supported Hitler. By your logic, Ford automotive was the driving force between the holocaust and now all Ford owners are terrible people.
The agenda of crazed individuals doesn't define a religion. Next you're going to tell me all muslims are terrorists because of extremists. You're placing blanket statements over a group of people to give yourself some sort of assurance that you're better than them, when what you're saying simply isn't true.
#211 - noblexfenrir (10/21/2012) [-]
No because many of the individual's involved in the holocaust didn't justify what they were doing by their cars owners manual. Where as many of the nazi's used their treatment in the previous war, their poverty levels, and their faith to justify the battles and killings.
No Muslims are no terrorists because of extremists, they are violent because their religion is violent. If they aren't violent then good, they are kind human beings, but they are also bad muslims.
#219 - kook (10/21/2012) [-]
Except Islam isn't a violent religion. It can be wildly interpreted as one by someone who is insane, but it isn't.
At this point I can tell you don't know what you're talking about at all. Just because a lunatic doesn't something in the name of something else, that doesn't make that thing inherently evil.
#230 - noblexfenrir (10/21/2012) [-]
It is violent. If you read the Quran it commands violence, not suggests it or misinterprets it, it commands violence and uses peace purely as a conversion tool. Go through the Quran and replae Allah with dictator, general, hitler, etc. and this veil of peace and acceptance would not exist. Only because it is a religious belief with non-violent believers does not change what that specific religion entails.
I never said that it was Christianity that said kill all the Jews and what not, I said it was used as a reasoning tool. There were many people involved other than hitler, even we he used his Christian faith. So no Christianity doesn't explicitly say to do those things however, it was interpreted in a way that it would justify these actions. And unless someone takes their religious text literally, they cannot speak against this because they have their own interpretation.
#247 - theexo (10/21/2012) [-]
religion was in fact not used as a reasoning tool to explain the holocaust. during post war trials no one said that god made them do anything, nor did they think that they would go to hell if they didn't do it. the one thing they ever pointed to was that they were following orders
#191 - xxxsonic fanxxx (10/21/2012) [-]
Most athiests actually blame religion in general, not just christians. Christians just come up more often because its the major religion of the western world
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