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|#68 - Ive had people yell at me and tell me im going to burn in hell… [+] (24 new replies)||06/30/2013 on Ricky||+7|
#86 - Sethorein (06/30/2013) [-]
Romans 1:26–27: In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Corinthians 6:9–10: Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with me
Timothy 1:9–10: We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
From what I gather. Homosexuals are considered sinners akin to parent murderers. They do not receive heaven. They are unnatural.
Now You can choose to ignore these parts of the religion, but you cannot deny that they are there. I won't call all christians bible thumpers and asses, but the statements are there for the bible thumpers to use.
#245 - thatguynine (06/30/2013) [-]
As a Christian I was always told not to care if someone is homosexual and be fine with any homosexual marriages under the state, as they're recognized by the state/government not the church. According to the church, and this is what I think is bullshit, it's only a sin when they're in the act of homosexuality, aka homosexual sex. According to the church they're "Wasting the seed of life" by using it on another member of the same gender. That's just what I've been told by my priest/seminarian. I'm not saying it's not dumb, it's just that a lot of people think that Christians hate everything about gay people when in fact, at least the Christians around here, are fine with them and want them to have equal rights. I just hope this changes your opinion about Christians a little bit, because I'm sick of being grouped as this hateful, self-righteous person. In any case, that's just what I wanted to say.
#88 - unoriginalaccount (06/30/2013) [-]
Most of those are written by men.
A real Christian should follow the teachings of Christ, hence the name Christian.
He thought that everyone was equal and that everyone has a chance at Heaven.
John 3:16:For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believe in him shall not parish but have ever lasting life.
I knew about those but I don't follow them because the true teachings are about love and tolerance and treating everyone equally.
#94 - Sethorein (06/30/2013) [-]
So how is that supposed to work. On one side of the bible it says love and tolerate everyone and on the other it makes a list of folks who you shouldn't tolerate?
It's just difficult. The bible needs to be rewritten. It's been perverted to the nth degree. I will agree that Jesus was probably a fantastic man who believed in equality for all, justice, love and compassion. If people followed HIM it'd be great. However, people follow the bible and that's just a fact. The bible is synonymous with the religion even if the religion does not derive its name from the bible. So all of the intolerance that comes from the bible is still the responsibility of the religion.
How many churches do you think are very comfortable with marrying a homosexual?
One of my close friends is a devout catholic and also a lesbian. She more or less told me that she has removed everything from the religion except the two most important rules in her eyes. Love your fellow man and love God. She is completely devout, probably more devout than most straight catholics but when news got out that she was dating a girl she was more or less excommunicated.
I'm atheist, not anti-theist so I won't shout at you 'til you leave god like I did. I frankly don't care what you do so long as it doesn't affect others. However, I will tell you why I left God.
I found myself having to compromise religion and objectivity. How can death only result from sin when there were billions of years before adam and eve committed the sin and things died? How could there be enough water on the planet to completely submerge mountains for forty days then just disappear? Etc. Etc.
I got tired of it. The more I learned the more I had to shove away until I decided that objectivity is more important than faith to me. I could not continue to deny reality for the comfort of a God who would only meet me after my term here has passed.
Presupposition is a product of faith and the source of a great deal of the bible's intolerance.
#174 - theexo (06/30/2013) [-]
I 100% agree with you, i can only imagine what the bible was like when it was actually being written, it's been hundreds of years and the bible as been rewritten hundreds of times by hundreds of people who had the ability to twist it in their own image. my thinking is that i'm just going to ignore whenever they mention homosexuals in the bible due to the fact that the most important rule in the book is "love others like you would yourself".
#108 - unoriginalaccount (06/30/2013) [-]
Ok so I read the up to the part of your friend being excommunicated.
I agree with you on the most part but you also have to take note that I'm not catholic as a matter of fact there are certain texts and verses by Jesus himself that disprove Catholicism, but I'm not gonna go into that right now.
But since my church isn't catholic we don't just excommunicate people, we actually have openly gay people in one of them.
Christianity as a whole is intolerant and there should be a change but it's most likely not going to happen any time soon.
#111 - Sethorein (06/30/2013) [-]
Which makes me very very butt-frustrated.
But it's nice to talk to moderates. Weirdest guy I ever met was a real bible thumper. Nicest guy you'd ever meet but boy did he have ugly views. gayness is a choice, gays are sinning abominations, birth control is against god, the earth is 6000 years old, no evolution.
It kinda creeped me out to think a nice guy with access to the internet and culture would be THAT indoctrinated. I guess he's just the one, but I still like to talk to more moderate christians to reaffirm that the entire religion isn't that... internally conflicted.
#117 - Namezone (06/30/2013) [-]
if i might i'd just like to say that i don't think there's ever a list of people we shouldn't tolerate listed. i think a list was made of people we should care more for.
"Timothy 1:9–10: We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine"
that sounds to me like those people should not only be tolerated, but receive much more attention and care. That's how i live, anyway. I tell anyone who asks that i believe a homosexual man or woman has committed a sin like adultery or pre-marital sex, even if they're married. I believe a gay marriage is an invalid one, that it "doesn't count" exactly as much as one where the people involved "give up" like the Kardashian marriage, for example.
As for the water thing, i'm a creationist. go on, keep reading, i'm not crazy, or at least not too bad. My church has taught side by side creationist and non-creationist theories, along with the holes in both, and i chose creationist. I believe the earth is a bit more like fifteen thousand years old and have several good reasons for thinking that which i don't care to get into. I believe the earth had overall more size and was much flatter before The Flood, and also had a vapor canopy filtering radiation and generally making the earth into a healthier place. (think hyperbaric chamber with UV shielding on a planet scale, it's quite good for humans to live inside of, prolonging age by incredible amounts since our telomeres don't take nearly as much damage) When, after several thousand years of sin, God decided to press reset, volcanoes erupted and general seismic activity took place, thecanopy precipitated down, ground water went up, and ocean basins formed. what i believekinda
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