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#271 - lolollo (02/07/2016) [-]
The only reason I devalue that point is the same reason I devalue someone trying to use psychology to make a completely self interested point. This site has such a half added grasp on simple philosophical concepts and it's because of the negative stigma the subject has. Its like if I bring it up to note a hypothetical it's all "lol philosophy that doesn't matter!"

But all of a sudden, when the topic pertains to something they support: "you're not thinking of the philosophical implications you gotta open your miiiiiind!"
#278 - hijokpl (02/07/2016) [-]
Ya, I think I see what you mean.
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#279 - I just hope that within Caesar's life time if he were to succe… 12/03/2015 on BoS 0
#230 - I agree that Legion is a bad choice for vegas. There are some …  [+] (2 new replies) 12/03/2015 on BoS 0
#245 - Stevethewizard (12/03/2015) [-]
That's the thing about Yes Man, though: he's competency incarnate, without any sort of ego. He's literally there to be told what to do, then to figure out how to get said shit done, and, if need be, accomplish the aforementioned shit by himself.
He also probably has access to House's plans, schematics, etc. House may have been a living (technically) human, but he was still bound to the machine that kept him alive. Said machine was the only way he had to communicate with the outside world, and the only means he had to enact his will. You can be damn sure the plans weren't just in his head.
And finally, even if you have no idea of what needs to be done, just telling Yes Man that you wanted to take over Vegas gave him the ideas necessary to have him tell you to play along with Caesar to get you access to Bunker Hill, where his new Securitron army was located, got him to discover two important tidbits of info (the Omertas planning a coup, and the White Gloves possibly returning to cannibalism), had him locate the hidden BoS bunker, and had him figure out how to jack enough power to amplify the Securitron control signal to reach Hoover Dam. What's more impressive is that he figures all of this out simultaneously.
If you told him to help you return the world to what it was before the Great War, he'd figure out how to do that. If you told him to end the world, he'd find more nukes than were stashed at Hopeville, and he'd figure out a way to use them to split the world into tiny pieces.
Yes Man gets shit done. You just need to say what you want to happen.

And finally, in defense of the Legion, while the Legionaries themselves are nothing more than a bunch of idiots in football gear, Caesar isn't stupid. He fashioned a military dictatorship because he saw it as the most secure form of government possible. And, while the Legion themselves may not have reliance on technology, they aren't fully to using what they can find to their advantage (you can get Legion reputation points by telling some guy how to disarm and rearm landmines, make Powder Charges, etc., meaning they are fully willing to use both high-tech and improvised explosive weaponry).
Add this to their willingness to actually open trade routes with anyone they haven't made an enemy of, and you'll see how they do have potential for progress beyond the bronze age: they'd have advancement through trade. They'd trade food, water, slaves, weapons... damn near anything that's necessary for survival in the wasteland, with, to quote Caesar, "Vegas as [his] Rome".
Time for a history lesson: Rome was a major trade center in ancient times, and it was one of the safest places in the whole Roman Empire for both its citizens and visitors.
Now... I might be overthinking this, but it sounds like Caesar, who is foremost a student of history, was planning to turn the Legion into an economic powerhouse. And, if his Legion won at Hoover Dam, it's possible he may have succeeded.

Again, though, that's nowhere near as good as would be possible for a Yes Man victory.
#279 - hijokpl (12/03/2015) [-]
I just hope that within Caesar's life time if he were to succeed, he would be able to not just go out of the bronze age with electricity and machines but to seriously push past even the best prewar technology with a continuous drive for the heavens and not just a desire to advance until things are comfortable. You make a great point with Yes Man though and looking back, I would have chosen him over house knowing that he would be able to help so much.
#194 - I would like to think that a well raised gen 4 or 5 that is on… 12/03/2015 on BoS +2
#176 - The Legion is just a really powerful, brutal tribe with no fut… 12/03/2015 on BoS -1
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#186 - asasqw (12/03/2015) [-]
But what your describing would be a technological singularity A computer that can design a better computer, which goes on to design a better computer and so on and create a force that would be impossible to compete agents and may decide humans are in the way and destroy us. May even turn into a full on grey goo KT end of the universe scenario.
#194 - hijokpl (12/03/2015) [-]
I would like to think that a well raised gen 4 or 5 that is only a few orders of magnitude better than humans would show extreme care and passion, when raising the next gen that goes beyond, when it is designing it so it will show the same compassion to want to help other conscious beings even if they are lower like dogs are to humans. I agree that it also has the potential to go horribly, horribly wrong but hopefully a team of 100 gen 4 or 5 synths with the overclocking ability to experience time thousands of times slower would be able to think of everything, given years and years of time, so nothing horrible would happen. You bring up a good point though and maybe this is where most of FJ and I have to agree to disagree because I honestly would rather want truly superior AI ( not just superior fighing wise oh god no, fuck terminators and all that bullshit I mean in everyway, shape and form conceivable ) to win if we were to go against each other. I can completely understand taking the survival, I don't give a shit I will defend myself at any cost and I will do anything to live type approach to it that im sure pretty much all of the human race would take. The grey goo scenario seems like something to demonstrate exponential growth and how fast something like Earth could be destroyed but I don't think the institute would blindly just create something that potentially dangerous and let it out the door with no caution. We gotta watch out for that shit in real life though definitely because that doesn't seem like something that requires super AI to make, it seems like something some start up tech company in 50 years could make in their garage.
#174 - lordraine (12/03/2015) [-]
Niggers like you were the ones making excuses for the Legion.
#185 - Stevethewizard (12/03/2015) [-]
Legion control is a better fate for the Mojave than annexation by the NCR, but it's not the best solution to their problems.
NCR annexes the Mojave: an assload of taxes, no representation, no citizenship in the NCR, very little in the way of assistance for extant troops in removal of clear and present threats (Jackals, Fiends, Powder Gangers, etc.).
Legion absorbs the Mojave (assuming Caesar is still alive): Fiends = Dead, Powder Gangers = Dead, all other raiders = dead, citizens of the Mojave = citizens of Caesar's new empire and therefore under the full protection of Caesar's Legion. No more threats to trade caravans means that the Mojave is now one of the safest places in the wasteland, right alongside the rest of Caesar's lands.

That being said, the best option is to put Yes Man in charge. All of House's smarts and tech with none of his ego, and he does what you want him to do. If you're a good guy, this is the single best option for the Mojave. If you're a bad guy, you don't give a damn about the Mojave, but Yes Man can get you whatever you want, no matter who or what has it.
#299 - anon (12/03/2015) [-]
"the best option is to put Yes Man in charge."

I have to disagree there. An independent New Vegas is probably the worst if we're talking about the future of the Mojave. With Yes Man in charge there is no growth, no structure. Once you die, then what? Yes Man can't run the country on his own, after all. The Legion provides an excellent short term rule, but their reliance on slaves, tribes, and Caesar all show just how weak they are internally, once Caesar dies(naturally, I'm going to ignore the Lanius for now) then they'll lose their one binding force. Eventually all the female slaves they take in would probably rebel, weakening it even further into the Legion slowly dies off, just like the real Rome. Sure they offer excellent protection but the NCR does too, at least they do in California. The NCR offers exactly what the Legion offers in their own borders, they're just stretched a little too thin right now to do it. And the taxes are to be expected, they're growing as a nation and need the capital to do so, so they'll probably even out later. However, the NCR does have a lot of initial problems right away and their democratic system slows them down, but all in all they're basically just the inverse of the Legion; they offer long term stability rather than short. If there was an objective best, I'd probably be Mr. House. Someone below mentioned how Yes Man could just use data on Mr. House's plan to grow, but he's human and it's a big "if" about whether or not he saved his "Save Humanity Plan" onto actual data. Then there's also the fact that if Yes Man takes the "Save Humanity Plan" that I'd no longer be flexible and respond to problems that arise in-between, so I doubt Yes Man could efficiently do what Mr. House planned on doing. Mr. House is also a brilliant man, he even stopped the destruction of New Vegas by reading the flow of war and planning accordingly. "With all that money pouring in? Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit.100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." Mr. House is the only one who actually has a plan for the development of society again, he's the best planner, and he's incorruptible. There's really no story reason to not pick Mr. House, he may be a little apathetic towards others but it's for the sake of progress. Every other faction in the game doesn't even think about producing new technologies, they're all so fixated on the old world they can't look ahead and, as Dead Money said, "Let go." Their society can't progress as long as that happens, old world tech was created to solve problems within the Old World, not the New World. It's stagnation and it's also why the Brotherhood of Steel will never aid the progression of the New World, too fixated on the old and refuse to look at the new.

That being said, Mr. House isn't the best option gameplay wise. Independent/Yes Man is the best for gameplay because you don't need to destroy any faction in the process Except Mr. House while Mr. House is tied with the Legion with the worst gameplay value because you need to destroy a shit ton of factions in the process, leaving all those questlines unplayable.
#216 - lordraine (12/03/2015) [-]
'legion control is better'

'a doomed cult centered around a terminally ill sociopath that will collapse as soon as he dies or they don't have anyone to war with is better than the NCR'

The Legion doesn't even have the benefits of being real fascism. If they were actual fascists, they could have brought some sense or order and decency with them, but they're just psudo-death cult with the trappings of fascism to make it seem appealing.

What the fuck are you on? Short of being taken over by East Coast supermutants, the Legion gaining control is literally the worst thing that could happen.

If we're talking about what's best for Vegas, it's a debate between House, Independent, and NCR. The Legion is there as an option for evil playthroughs and edgelord fourteen year olds. Back me up on this, hijokpl.
#230 - hijokpl (12/03/2015) [-]
I agree that Legion is a bad choice for vegas. There are some things about them that can be considered good and a lot of wastelanders can benefit from having a decent, no crime place to live as long as they don't break any rules and like I said, they're really powerful if you compare them to other basic wastelander tribes but for vegas, the furnace of economic growth that can be used to advance humanity under Mr. H or you, it would be really shitty to see it all go down the drain just to turn it into a huge town where people will grow food, eat, shit and die for the foreseeable future. Also if we're talking about moral highground then I don't think it makes much sense to have a superiority complex and be all high and mighty (if you steal you get crucified, remember to be pure and not shit like the rest of the wasteland type deal) when they use slaves with the justification that hey they're just slaves and im the master so thats the way it works and deal with it. They're just a really powerful tribe, no potential, no long term benefits, too many crazy fucks that would scramble to the thrown once the 1 guy whos actually pretty smart dies, pretty brainwashed, 4/10 would not want to take over wasteland. Steve is right about the NCR having its fair share of problems though. I think (hopefully) that we can all agree that the best is either Mr. H or yesman. The only reason I chose house over yesman is house said he would start up high technology devopement centers and build a space program which I don't think my character has the competency to do.
#245 - Stevethewizard (12/03/2015) [-]
That's the thing about Yes Man, though: he's competency incarnate, without any sort of ego. He's literally there to be told what to do, then to figure out how to get said shit done, and, if need be, accomplish the aforementioned shit by himself.
He also probably has access to House's plans, schematics, etc. House may have been a living (technically) human, but he was still bound to the machine that kept him alive. Said machine was the only way he had to communicate with the outside world, and the only means he had to enact his will. You can be damn sure the plans weren't just in his head.
And finally, even if you have no idea of what needs to be done, just telling Yes Man that you wanted to take over Vegas gave him the ideas necessary to have him tell you to play along with Caesar to get you access to Bunker Hill, where his new Securitron army was located, got him to discover two important tidbits of info (the Omertas planning a coup, and the White Gloves possibly returning to cannibalism), had him locate the hidden BoS bunker, and had him figure out how to jack enough power to amplify the Securitron control signal to reach Hoover Dam. What's more impressive is that he figures all of this out simultaneously.
If you told him to help you return the world to what it was before the Great War, he'd figure out how to do that. If you told him to end the world, he'd find more nukes than were stashed at Hopeville, and he'd figure out a way to use them to split the world into tiny pieces.
Yes Man gets shit done. You just need to say what you want to happen.

And finally, in defense of the Legion, while the Legionaries themselves are nothing more than a bunch of idiots in football gear, Caesar isn't stupid. He fashioned a military dictatorship because he saw it as the most secure form of government possible. And, while the Legion themselves may not have reliance on technology, they aren't fully to using what they can find to their advantage (you can get Legion reputation points by telling some guy how to disarm and rearm landmines, make Powder Charges, etc., meaning they are fully willing to use both high-tech and improvised explosive weaponry).
Add this to their willingness to actually open trade routes with anyone they haven't made an enemy of, and you'll see how they do have potential for progress beyond the bronze age: they'd have advancement through trade. They'd trade food, water, slaves, weapons... damn near anything that's necessary for survival in the wasteland, with, to quote Caesar, "Vegas as [his] Rome".
Time for a history lesson: Rome was a major trade center in ancient times, and it was one of the safest places in the whole Roman Empire for both its citizens and visitors.
Now... I might be overthinking this, but it sounds like Caesar, who is foremost a student of history, was planning to turn the Legion into an economic powerhouse. And, if his Legion won at Hoover Dam, it's possible he may have succeeded.

Again, though, that's nowhere near as good as would be possible for a Yes Man victory.
#279 - hijokpl (12/03/2015) [-]
I just hope that within Caesar's life time if he were to succeed, he would be able to not just go out of the bronze age with electricity and machines but to seriously push past even the best prewar technology with a continuous drive for the heavens and not just a desire to advance until things are comfortable. You make a great point with Yes Man though and looking back, I would have chosen him over house knowing that he would be able to help so much.
#176 - hijokpl (12/03/2015) [-]
The Legion is just a really powerful, brutal tribe with no future, Mr.House all the way. Seriously though, can you explain why my ''excuses'' aren't valid? I'm pretty sure I covered everything.
#173 - SuperHyperCrazy (12/03/2015) [-]
Dude you should go outside for a few minutes
#169 - derpinstock (12/03/2015) [-]
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