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#42 - By mathematic definition, infinity is a number too large to as…  [+] (21 new replies) 12/27/2015 on fixed +3
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#43 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept, it can't actually exist.
The word you are looking for is told of in legends and folklore... "big".
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#81 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
The Stephen Fry example isnt certain either, but it is all but certain, given what we know. True, we dont know what triggers life to appear on a planet suitable for it, but we know there are millions of planets which can harbor life of the kind we know from our own.

You claim you arent a pessimist, yet dont believe that the trigger that sparked life could have happened more than once on all these potential planets? Doesnt sound very optimistic.
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#82 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
False, we know that there are many planets that have similar conditions to earth, but life didn't form under those conditions. And once again, since we don't know HOW IT WORKS we can't know for certain exactly what it needs.

It's perfectly possible, but I don't base my understanding of reality on the possibility of something, I base it on the evidence, of which there is NONE.
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#85 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
"but life didn't form under those conditions"

How would you know, I thought we didnt know?

So im guessing you dont believe in the placebo effect?
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#86 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We know the conditions around the time life first formed (theoretically), see the Miller-Urey experiment for why we don't know everything.

Of course I "believe" in the placebo effect, since it's demonstrable.
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#89 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
But theres no proof of the placebo effect, just people getting better. Its our best guess, theres no evidence that people are getting better because of it.
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#90 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The proof is that no medicine was administered and measurable effects occurred. The evidence is that when tests are done with a drug, a placebo and no prescription, the placebo group performs better.
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#91 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
So? We dont know why, we just know that it happens. Theres no data to actually tell us why it happens.
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#99 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
But theres still nothing conclusive, no hard "heres why"
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#100 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Can't you read?
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#109 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Bottom line, life happened once, the universe is insanely vast, uncountable stars, even more planets, and you honestly think theres not life anywhere else? To quote Black Science Man from the video, thats amazingly arrogant.
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#110 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
No it isn't, it's what is to be observed from the facts that we have. I will defend to the death the idea that science is not based on speculation, but observation. But no fuck it, obviously if it's physically possible it must exist right? Like white holes, for instance; we've never seen one but mathematically they're possible. I mean how could they not exist? They're so LIKELY
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#107 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Im not talking about proving anything, im talking about statistical certainty. It doesnt prove anything, it just makes the, in my opinion, rather likely argument that there is almost certainly life somewhere else.
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#108 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
I just told you you don't know how certain it is because you don't have all the parameters. You want life to be out there, and the idea is nice, but the universe is under no obligation to conform to your fantasies.
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#105 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Neil deGrasse Tyson on life in the Universe (with Richard Dawkins)

People much smarter than us disagree with you, ill leave it at that.
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#106 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
It's not a matter of opinion.

His example of the whales is actually evidence against you, since it demonstrates the folly of believing without evidence. You cannot make the claim that there is extraterrestrial life without some evidence, of which you have none, because none exists. This indicates a lack of life, but does not prove it.
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#103 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Just like life on our planet and by extension the very real theoretical certainty of life on other planets.
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#104 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Please locate me a rough probability for how likely life is on a random planet... Oh that's right it's 1/ how ever many planets there are in the universe, because WE HAVE ONE SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF THE PHENOMENON. That is not enough to base a theory off, and definitely not enough to start going on about "certainty". Nothing is certain no matter how likely it is.
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#101 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
I can, can you?
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#102 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Just because we don't know the ins and outs of everything doesn't mean it's not real...
#36 - Leprechauns and infinity are two different things. The existen…  [+] (34 new replies) 12/27/2015 on fixed +3
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#37 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Currently alien life is also fiction, is it not. Just because you can't see the edges of something doesn't make it infinite...Plus I've already said you can't have infinite energy in a system without it being evenly distributed, and thus every point would have infinite energy, which is clearly not true.
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#45 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Aliens in movies are fiction, sure, but life is not. We know the parameters for life on earth, and given the size of the observable universe, the likelihood of life somewhere else approaches 100%
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#48 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We don't know how life formed at all, we do have some strong hypotheses though!
We don't know how likely it is because we do not know how it works.
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#49 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Almost no matter how unlikely it is, given the sheer number of planets, its still all but certain it has happened somewhere else. Again, im not saying it has, because I dont know, but statistics alone makes it more probable that it has than it hasnt.

Its the same reason Stephen Fry can say this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLIvwtIuC3Y
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#51 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No. There is no evidence for that and believing it is silly. I like the idea of it, but it's not scientific to base your theories on what might be true.

Yes, it's true that is is perfectly possible to have the same shuffle as someone else, but extremely unlikely. Still, we know that the cards exist and can exist in any of the combinations. Life, on the other hand, has no such obligation.
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#52 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Neither side of the argument has any proof one way or the other. In the absence of proof, the best one can do is look at the data we have. Probability is in favor of life elsewhere in the universe, what do you present that is not in favor?
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#54 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Also burden of proof!
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#53 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No it doesn't. You're like the people who say "god MUST exist, the universe couldn't have just popped into existence, it's TOO UNLIKELY"
Nothing is too unlikely. White holes are theorised to exist mathematically, but we have never observed one. So whilst it is theoretically possible in that regard it is not ok to start going on about how "the universe is so big they must exist out there". That's not how it works.
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#55 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Its not the same, because there isnt any data to support a being like God. There is pretty convincing data to support the existence of life (well duh) and data outlining atleast one set of parameters in which life can exist.

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#56 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Again, we don't know why life happened. For all we know our specific location in the universe could matter. We do not know. But what we know for certain is that we can't yet replicate it, and so we don't know how probable it is.
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#77 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Which again puts us back at what we DO know about life, and in turn why with our current data, life somewhere else is all but certain. When you find out our position is relevant to the development of life, present it and disprove the probability as it currently is with what we know.

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#78 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
It fucking isn't "certain" you idiot. There is zero evidence of the existence of life on other planets, so acting like there is is stupid and counter-productive. YOU have the burden of proof, not me. I do not have to prove there isn't life (especially since that's not my argument anyway) you have to prove that there is.
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#42 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
By mathematic definition, infinity is a number too large to assign any number or quantity to. That is the definition I'm using when referring to the size of the universe. It may not be never ending, but my argument still applies.
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#43 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept, it can't actually exist.
The word you are looking for is told of in legends and folklore... "big".
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#81 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
The Stephen Fry example isnt certain either, but it is all but certain, given what we know. True, we dont know what triggers life to appear on a planet suitable for it, but we know there are millions of planets which can harbor life of the kind we know from our own.

You claim you arent a pessimist, yet dont believe that the trigger that sparked life could have happened more than once on all these potential planets? Doesnt sound very optimistic.
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#82 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
False, we know that there are many planets that have similar conditions to earth, but life didn't form under those conditions. And once again, since we don't know HOW IT WORKS we can't know for certain exactly what it needs.

It's perfectly possible, but I don't base my understanding of reality on the possibility of something, I base it on the evidence, of which there is NONE.
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#85 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
"but life didn't form under those conditions"

How would you know, I thought we didnt know?

So im guessing you dont believe in the placebo effect?
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#86 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We know the conditions around the time life first formed (theoretically), see the Miller-Urey experiment for why we don't know everything.

Of course I "believe" in the placebo effect, since it's demonstrable.
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#89 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
But theres no proof of the placebo effect, just people getting better. Its our best guess, theres no evidence that people are getting better because of it.
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#90 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The proof is that no medicine was administered and measurable effects occurred. The evidence is that when tests are done with a drug, a placebo and no prescription, the placebo group performs better.
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#91 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
So? We dont know why, we just know that it happens. Theres no data to actually tell us why it happens.
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#99 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
But theres still nothing conclusive, no hard "heres why"
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#100 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Can't you read?
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#109 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Bottom line, life happened once, the universe is insanely vast, uncountable stars, even more planets, and you honestly think theres not life anywhere else? To quote Black Science Man from the video, thats amazingly arrogant.
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#110 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
No it isn't, it's what is to be observed from the facts that we have. I will defend to the death the idea that science is not based on speculation, but observation. But no fuck it, obviously if it's physically possible it must exist right? Like white holes, for instance; we've never seen one but mathematically they're possible. I mean how could they not exist? They're so LIKELY
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#107 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Im not talking about proving anything, im talking about statistical certainty. It doesnt prove anything, it just makes the, in my opinion, rather likely argument that there is almost certainly life somewhere else.
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#108 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
I just told you you don't know how certain it is because you don't have all the parameters. You want life to be out there, and the idea is nice, but the universe is under no obligation to conform to your fantasies.
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#105 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Neil deGrasse Tyson on life in the Universe (with Richard Dawkins)

People much smarter than us disagree with you, ill leave it at that.
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#106 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
It's not a matter of opinion.

His example of the whales is actually evidence against you, since it demonstrates the folly of believing without evidence. You cannot make the claim that there is extraterrestrial life without some evidence, of which you have none, because none exists. This indicates a lack of life, but does not prove it.
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#103 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Just like life on our planet and by extension the very real theoretical certainty of life on other planets.
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#104 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Please locate me a rough probability for how likely life is on a random planet... Oh that's right it's 1/ how ever many planets there are in the universe, because WE HAVE ONE SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF THE PHENOMENON. That is not enough to base a theory off, and definitely not enough to start going on about "certainty". Nothing is certain no matter how likely it is.
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#101 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
I can, can you?
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#102 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Just because we don't know the ins and outs of everything doesn't mean it's not real...
#25 - Still, the size of the universe is to us is incomprehensibly l…  [+] (36 new replies) 12/27/2015 on fixed +4
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#27 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
That's the same logic that people use to justify all sorts of bullshit. "Well you can't prove that leprechauns don't exist, so they must exist!".
Aha, "life sustaining" is not the same as "life producing". There are many life sustaining planets, all you need is a planet about the size and composition of earth.
#36 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
Leprechauns and infinity are two different things. The existence of leprechauns is purely fictional, whilst the existence of alien life has to do with statistics. The size of the observable universe is 91 billion light years. With no noticeable change in density on either end, there's literally no telling how large it is. The variables that determine the probability of life in the universe fall down to the size of the universe (infinite) the amount of time required for life to develop and sustain itself (infinite) the possibility of a planet orbiting a star at a distance that gives out a habitable temperature and atmosphere (infinite stars with infinite planets).
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#37 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Currently alien life is also fiction, is it not. Just because you can't see the edges of something doesn't make it infinite...Plus I've already said you can't have infinite energy in a system without it being evenly distributed, and thus every point would have infinite energy, which is clearly not true.
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#45 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Aliens in movies are fiction, sure, but life is not. We know the parameters for life on earth, and given the size of the observable universe, the likelihood of life somewhere else approaches 100%
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#48 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We don't know how life formed at all, we do have some strong hypotheses though!
We don't know how likely it is because we do not know how it works.
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#49 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Almost no matter how unlikely it is, given the sheer number of planets, its still all but certain it has happened somewhere else. Again, im not saying it has, because I dont know, but statistics alone makes it more probable that it has than it hasnt.

Its the same reason Stephen Fry can say this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLIvwtIuC3Y
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#51 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No. There is no evidence for that and believing it is silly. I like the idea of it, but it's not scientific to base your theories on what might be true.

Yes, it's true that is is perfectly possible to have the same shuffle as someone else, but extremely unlikely. Still, we know that the cards exist and can exist in any of the combinations. Life, on the other hand, has no such obligation.
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#52 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Neither side of the argument has any proof one way or the other. In the absence of proof, the best one can do is look at the data we have. Probability is in favor of life elsewhere in the universe, what do you present that is not in favor?
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#54 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Also burden of proof!
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#53 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No it doesn't. You're like the people who say "god MUST exist, the universe couldn't have just popped into existence, it's TOO UNLIKELY"
Nothing is too unlikely. White holes are theorised to exist mathematically, but we have never observed one. So whilst it is theoretically possible in that regard it is not ok to start going on about how "the universe is so big they must exist out there". That's not how it works.
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#55 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Its not the same, because there isnt any data to support a being like God. There is pretty convincing data to support the existence of life (well duh) and data outlining atleast one set of parameters in which life can exist.

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#56 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Again, we don't know why life happened. For all we know our specific location in the universe could matter. We do not know. But what we know for certain is that we can't yet replicate it, and so we don't know how probable it is.
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#77 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Which again puts us back at what we DO know about life, and in turn why with our current data, life somewhere else is all but certain. When you find out our position is relevant to the development of life, present it and disprove the probability as it currently is with what we know.

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#78 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
It fucking isn't "certain" you idiot. There is zero evidence of the existence of life on other planets, so acting like there is is stupid and counter-productive. YOU have the burden of proof, not me. I do not have to prove there isn't life (especially since that's not my argument anyway) you have to prove that there is.
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#42 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
By mathematic definition, infinity is a number too large to assign any number or quantity to. That is the definition I'm using when referring to the size of the universe. It may not be never ending, but my argument still applies.
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#43 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept, it can't actually exist.
The word you are looking for is told of in legends and folklore... "big".
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#81 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
The Stephen Fry example isnt certain either, but it is all but certain, given what we know. True, we dont know what triggers life to appear on a planet suitable for it, but we know there are millions of planets which can harbor life of the kind we know from our own.

You claim you arent a pessimist, yet dont believe that the trigger that sparked life could have happened more than once on all these potential planets? Doesnt sound very optimistic.
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#82 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
False, we know that there are many planets that have similar conditions to earth, but life didn't form under those conditions. And once again, since we don't know HOW IT WORKS we can't know for certain exactly what it needs.

It's perfectly possible, but I don't base my understanding of reality on the possibility of something, I base it on the evidence, of which there is NONE.
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#85 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
"but life didn't form under those conditions"

How would you know, I thought we didnt know?

So im guessing you dont believe in the placebo effect?
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#86 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We know the conditions around the time life first formed (theoretically), see the Miller-Urey experiment for why we don't know everything.

Of course I "believe" in the placebo effect, since it's demonstrable.
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#89 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
But theres no proof of the placebo effect, just people getting better. Its our best guess, theres no evidence that people are getting better because of it.
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#90 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The proof is that no medicine was administered and measurable effects occurred. The evidence is that when tests are done with a drug, a placebo and no prescription, the placebo group performs better.
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#91 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
So? We dont know why, we just know that it happens. Theres no data to actually tell us why it happens.
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#99 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
But theres still nothing conclusive, no hard "heres why"
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#100 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Can't you read?
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#109 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Bottom line, life happened once, the universe is insanely vast, uncountable stars, even more planets, and you honestly think theres not life anywhere else? To quote Black Science Man from the video, thats amazingly arrogant.
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#110 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
No it isn't, it's what is to be observed from the facts that we have. I will defend to the death the idea that science is not based on speculation, but observation. But no fuck it, obviously if it's physically possible it must exist right? Like white holes, for instance; we've never seen one but mathematically they're possible. I mean how could they not exist? They're so LIKELY
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#107 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Im not talking about proving anything, im talking about statistical certainty. It doesnt prove anything, it just makes the, in my opinion, rather likely argument that there is almost certainly life somewhere else.
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#108 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
I just told you you don't know how certain it is because you don't have all the parameters. You want life to be out there, and the idea is nice, but the universe is under no obligation to conform to your fantasies.
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#105 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Neil deGrasse Tyson on life in the Universe (with Richard Dawkins)

People much smarter than us disagree with you, ill leave it at that.
User avatar
#106 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
It's not a matter of opinion.

His example of the whales is actually evidence against you, since it demonstrates the folly of believing without evidence. You cannot make the claim that there is extraterrestrial life without some evidence, of which you have none, because none exists. This indicates a lack of life, but does not prove it.
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#103 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Just like life on our planet and by extension the very real theoretical certainty of life on other planets.
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#104 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Please locate me a rough probability for how likely life is on a random planet... Oh that's right it's 1/ how ever many planets there are in the universe, because WE HAVE ONE SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF THE PHENOMENON. That is not enough to base a theory off, and definitely not enough to start going on about "certainty". Nothing is certain no matter how likely it is.
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#101 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
I can, can you?
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#102 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Just because we don't know the ins and outs of everything doesn't mean it's not real...
#21 - The universe as we know it is infinite in size. That means tha…  [+] (40 new replies) 12/27/2015 on fixed 0
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#22 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The jury's still out on the scale of the universe, but an infinite universe is impossible, as a finite object cannot expand to be infinite.
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#25 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
Still, the size of the universe is to us is incomprehensibly large. And since life manages to exist on one tiny marble in the vast expanse of the cosmos, it's not at all strange to say that there's life out there. We may never meet these life forms, but statistically, the system of near infinite entropy we call the universe is bound to have more than one life sustaining planet.
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#27 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
That's the same logic that people use to justify all sorts of bullshit. "Well you can't prove that leprechauns don't exist, so they must exist!".
Aha, "life sustaining" is not the same as "life producing". There are many life sustaining planets, all you need is a planet about the size and composition of earth.
#36 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
Leprechauns and infinity are two different things. The existence of leprechauns is purely fictional, whilst the existence of alien life has to do with statistics. The size of the observable universe is 91 billion light years. With no noticeable change in density on either end, there's literally no telling how large it is. The variables that determine the probability of life in the universe fall down to the size of the universe (infinite) the amount of time required for life to develop and sustain itself (infinite) the possibility of a planet orbiting a star at a distance that gives out a habitable temperature and atmosphere (infinite stars with infinite planets).
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#37 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Currently alien life is also fiction, is it not. Just because you can't see the edges of something doesn't make it infinite...Plus I've already said you can't have infinite energy in a system without it being evenly distributed, and thus every point would have infinite energy, which is clearly not true.
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#45 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Aliens in movies are fiction, sure, but life is not. We know the parameters for life on earth, and given the size of the observable universe, the likelihood of life somewhere else approaches 100%
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#48 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We don't know how life formed at all, we do have some strong hypotheses though!
We don't know how likely it is because we do not know how it works.
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#49 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Almost no matter how unlikely it is, given the sheer number of planets, its still all but certain it has happened somewhere else. Again, im not saying it has, because I dont know, but statistics alone makes it more probable that it has than it hasnt.

Its the same reason Stephen Fry can say this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLIvwtIuC3Y
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#51 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No. There is no evidence for that and believing it is silly. I like the idea of it, but it's not scientific to base your theories on what might be true.

Yes, it's true that is is perfectly possible to have the same shuffle as someone else, but extremely unlikely. Still, we know that the cards exist and can exist in any of the combinations. Life, on the other hand, has no such obligation.
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#52 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Neither side of the argument has any proof one way or the other. In the absence of proof, the best one can do is look at the data we have. Probability is in favor of life elsewhere in the universe, what do you present that is not in favor?
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#54 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Also burden of proof!
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#53 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
No it doesn't. You're like the people who say "god MUST exist, the universe couldn't have just popped into existence, it's TOO UNLIKELY"
Nothing is too unlikely. White holes are theorised to exist mathematically, but we have never observed one. So whilst it is theoretically possible in that regard it is not ok to start going on about how "the universe is so big they must exist out there". That's not how it works.
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#55 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Its not the same, because there isnt any data to support a being like God. There is pretty convincing data to support the existence of life (well duh) and data outlining atleast one set of parameters in which life can exist.

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#56 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Again, we don't know why life happened. For all we know our specific location in the universe could matter. We do not know. But what we know for certain is that we can't yet replicate it, and so we don't know how probable it is.
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#77 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
Which again puts us back at what we DO know about life, and in turn why with our current data, life somewhere else is all but certain. When you find out our position is relevant to the development of life, present it and disprove the probability as it currently is with what we know.

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#78 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
It fucking isn't "certain" you idiot. There is zero evidence of the existence of life on other planets, so acting like there is is stupid and counter-productive. YOU have the burden of proof, not me. I do not have to prove there isn't life (especially since that's not my argument anyway) you have to prove that there is.
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#42 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
By mathematic definition, infinity is a number too large to assign any number or quantity to. That is the definition I'm using when referring to the size of the universe. It may not be never ending, but my argument still applies.
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#43 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept, it can't actually exist.
The word you are looking for is told of in legends and folklore... "big".
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#81 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
The Stephen Fry example isnt certain either, but it is all but certain, given what we know. True, we dont know what triggers life to appear on a planet suitable for it, but we know there are millions of planets which can harbor life of the kind we know from our own.

You claim you arent a pessimist, yet dont believe that the trigger that sparked life could have happened more than once on all these potential planets? Doesnt sound very optimistic.
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#82 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
False, we know that there are many planets that have similar conditions to earth, but life didn't form under those conditions. And once again, since we don't know HOW IT WORKS we can't know for certain exactly what it needs.

It's perfectly possible, but I don't base my understanding of reality on the possibility of something, I base it on the evidence, of which there is NONE.
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#85 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
"but life didn't form under those conditions"

How would you know, I thought we didnt know?

So im guessing you dont believe in the placebo effect?
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#86 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
We know the conditions around the time life first formed (theoretically), see the Miller-Urey experiment for why we don't know everything.

Of course I "believe" in the placebo effect, since it's demonstrable.
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#89 - iqequalzero (12/27/2015) [-]
But theres no proof of the placebo effect, just people getting better. Its our best guess, theres no evidence that people are getting better because of it.
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#90 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The proof is that no medicine was administered and measurable effects occurred. The evidence is that when tests are done with a drug, a placebo and no prescription, the placebo group performs better.
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#91 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
So? We dont know why, we just know that it happens. Theres no data to actually tell us why it happens.
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#99 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
But theres still nothing conclusive, no hard "heres why"
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#100 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Can't you read?
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#109 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Bottom line, life happened once, the universe is insanely vast, uncountable stars, even more planets, and you honestly think theres not life anywhere else? To quote Black Science Man from the video, thats amazingly arrogant.
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#110 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
No it isn't, it's what is to be observed from the facts that we have. I will defend to the death the idea that science is not based on speculation, but observation. But no fuck it, obviously if it's physically possible it must exist right? Like white holes, for instance; we've never seen one but mathematically they're possible. I mean how could they not exist? They're so LIKELY
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#107 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Im not talking about proving anything, im talking about statistical certainty. It doesnt prove anything, it just makes the, in my opinion, rather likely argument that there is almost certainly life somewhere else.
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#108 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
I just told you you don't know how certain it is because you don't have all the parameters. You want life to be out there, and the idea is nice, but the universe is under no obligation to conform to your fantasies.
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#105 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Neil deGrasse Tyson on life in the Universe (with Richard Dawkins)

People much smarter than us disagree with you, ill leave it at that.
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#106 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
It's not a matter of opinion.

His example of the whales is actually evidence against you, since it demonstrates the folly of believing without evidence. You cannot make the claim that there is extraterrestrial life without some evidence, of which you have none, because none exists. This indicates a lack of life, but does not prove it.
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#103 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
Just like life on our planet and by extension the very real theoretical certainty of life on other planets.
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#104 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Please locate me a rough probability for how likely life is on a random planet... Oh that's right it's 1/ how ever many planets there are in the universe, because WE HAVE ONE SINGULAR EXAMPLE OF THE PHENOMENON. That is not enough to base a theory off, and definitely not enough to start going on about "certainty". Nothing is certain no matter how likely it is.
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#101 - iqequalzero (12/28/2015) [-]
I can, can you?
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#102 - platinumaltaria (12/28/2015) [-]
Just because we don't know the ins and outs of everything doesn't mean it's not real...
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#24 - shieeetposter (12/27/2015) [-]
What about you search up the Big Bang Theory instead of making up your own?
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#29 - platinumaltaria (12/27/2015) [-]
The big bang theory states that the universe is undergoing an expansion from a single point to it's current scale. It makes no claims about the current scale, which is unknowable.
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Because it's a pinhole sized hole you doofus
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#20 - Whaaaaaaaaa (12/27/2015) [-]
This actually is a good idea.
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The concrete has very little tensile strength
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What about that new mix they are using?
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#7 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
It would be expensive and waste time.
As would the content, if it were not an art/tech project.
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This actually is a good idea.
#25 - anon (12/27/2015) [-]
The concrete has very little tensile strength
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What about that new mix they are using?
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#21 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
they aren't part of the same story because then the story itself wouldn't even make sense
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#34 - sptnfouroneseven (12/27/2015) [-]
The word you're looking for is Retcon.

A lot of the Prequel stuff fucked up the lore of the original trilogy. It was either retconned(Said it never happened essentially) or made new lore based on gaps in the original trilogy. The prequels are created by George Lucas, and therefor canon. Anything NOT created by Lucas is now retconned and not considered canon outside of JJ-Abrams .
#47 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
They're not paert of the original Star wars. they're George Lucas wet dream which he decided to put on film.That's it.



Any sane person can look at them and know they're not really Star Wars
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#119 - sptnfouroneseven (12/27/2015) [-]
You know George originally planned on three trilogies right?
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#110 - captainfuckitall (12/27/2015) [-]
Holy fuck I have MET people diagnosed as autistic and still haven't met anyone as bad as you.
#130 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
Well, look at yourself in the mirror. you've lost the ability to differentiate between art and shit.
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#133 - captainfuckitall (12/27/2015) [-]
Whether it's art or shit is irrelevant. It's canonical, and you disliking it doesn't change that
#136 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
#129 - anon (12/27/2015) [-]
As an Autist and a human being I take offense to autism being brought up to compare to this guy...
There's lunatics out there who are better than this guy
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#108 - zevran (12/27/2015) [-]
The fact that the prequels are bad movies does not render them not canon. They are recognized as part of the canonical Star Wars universe along with The Clone Wars and Rebels animated series and all books and comics released under the Disney banner.
#131 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
recognized by whom? Not by me, they don't
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#134 - zevran (12/27/2015) [-]
By Disney, who own the Star Wars franchise. Nobody cares about you.
#137 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
k
#68 - anon (12/27/2015) [-]
they shouldnt be
but they are
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#52 - loopzoop (12/27/2015) [-]
how can someone be so wrong?
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#24 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
Stories don't have to make sense to be canonical. It's a story about wizards in space for gods sake. The meaning of the story belongs to the writer. Your opinion on it does not change that. That is why copyright law exists, so writers hold the exclusive right to what is and isn't canon in their own stories.
#20 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
"original creators" there were more people than just George Lucas involved in the original trilogy
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#18 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
part of the original universe
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#23 - thedudeistheman (12/27/2015) [-]
That's wrong.
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#19 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
The prequels were created by the original creators
They take part in the original timeline of events
Within the original universe.
They are a different part of the exact same story.
Why do you say they aren't canon?
#21 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
they aren't part of the same story because then the story itself wouldn't even make sense
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#34 - sptnfouroneseven (12/27/2015) [-]
The word you're looking for is Retcon.

A lot of the Prequel stuff fucked up the lore of the original trilogy. It was either retconned(Said it never happened essentially) or made new lore based on gaps in the original trilogy. The prequels are created by George Lucas, and therefor canon. Anything NOT created by Lucas is now retconned and not considered canon outside of JJ-Abrams .
#47 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
They're not paert of the original Star wars. they're George Lucas wet dream which he decided to put on film.That's it.



Any sane person can look at them and know they're not really Star Wars
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#119 - sptnfouroneseven (12/27/2015) [-]
You know George originally planned on three trilogies right?
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#110 - captainfuckitall (12/27/2015) [-]
Holy fuck I have MET people diagnosed as autistic and still haven't met anyone as bad as you.
#130 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
Well, look at yourself in the mirror. you've lost the ability to differentiate between art and shit.
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#133 - captainfuckitall (12/27/2015) [-]
Whether it's art or shit is irrelevant. It's canonical, and you disliking it doesn't change that
#136 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
#129 - anon (12/27/2015) [-]
As an Autist and a human being I take offense to autism being brought up to compare to this guy...
There's lunatics out there who are better than this guy
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#108 - zevran (12/27/2015) [-]
The fact that the prequels are bad movies does not render them not canon. They are recognized as part of the canonical Star Wars universe along with The Clone Wars and Rebels animated series and all books and comics released under the Disney banner.
#131 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
recognized by whom? Not by me, they don't
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#134 - zevran (12/27/2015) [-]
By Disney, who own the Star Wars franchise. Nobody cares about you.
#137 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
k
#68 - anon (12/27/2015) [-]
they shouldnt be
but they are
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#52 - loopzoop (12/27/2015) [-]
how can someone be so wrong?
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#24 - hellomynameisbill (12/27/2015) [-]
Stories don't have to make sense to be canonical. It's a story about wizards in space for gods sake. The meaning of the story belongs to the writer. Your opinion on it does not change that. That is why copyright law exists, so writers hold the exclusive right to what is and isn't canon in their own stories.
#20 - selfdenyingbeggar (12/27/2015) [-]
"original creators" there were more people than just George Lucas involved in the original trilogy
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#70 - vulcanrainbow (12/24/2015) [-]
yeah i know i saw the film
MASSIVE spoiler btw, you should have probably spoilered that
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#76 - ohemgeezus (12/24/2015) [-]
Except really every already knows that he quit the First Order
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#321 - postingquietly (04/16/2015) [-]
yooooooooooooouuuuuuuuu daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvvve
User avatar #326 to #321 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (10/08/2015) [-]
i forgot what this comment it about
User avatar #320 - maybetraffy (01/26/2015) [-]
**** you bill
you're stephan
User avatar #322 to #320 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (08/19/2015) [-]
what does this refer to?
User avatar #323 to #322 - maybetraffy (08/19/2015) [-]
cool name
User avatar #324 to #323 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (08/24/2015) [-]
Traff, why do you post porn?
User avatar #325 to #324 - maybetraffy (08/24/2015) [-]
I like women
I am lonely
I am driven by lust
User avatar #327 to #325 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (10/08/2015) [-]
aren't we all?
User avatar #328 to #327 - maybetraffy (10/08/2015) [-]
who knows. desperation has no limits
User avatar #318 - konradkurze (01/21/2015) [-]
why billy no talk to me?
User avatar #319 to #318 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/21/2015) [-]
because airplanes love cat
User avatar #317 - konradkurze (01/12/2015) [-]
**konradkurze used "*roll cah answer*"**
**konradkurze rolls Poopsicles.**
what kind of badass is Billy
User avatar #315 - konradkurze (01/08/2015) [-]
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**konradkurze rolls Duct tape.**
what makes bill a badass
User avatar #316 to #315 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/08/2015) [-]
Duct tape solves everything. It's like instant leather.
User avatar #313 - konradkurze (01/07/2015) [-]
**konradkurze used "*roll cah answer*"**
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why is billy crazy
User avatar #314 to #313 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/07/2015) [-]
hehehe
User avatar #307 - konradkurze (01/01/2015) [-]
BILLY
Y U NO SPEAK TO ME
User avatar #308 to #307 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/01/2015) [-]
what?
User avatar #310 to #308 - konradkurze (01/01/2015) [-]
been too long since we chatted
hows your new year bill
User avatar #311 to #310 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/01/2015) [-]
there it goes again, someone's messing with me

insert loop of oblivious stealth videogame enemy dialogue
User avatar #312 to #311 - konradkurze (01/01/2015) [-]
actually i changed my text dark to **** with admun

User avatar #309 to #308 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (01/01/2015) [-]
hmm. all I see is the darkness of the text box, yet no discernible text.
I guess it was nothing.
User avatar #306 - konradkurze (12/27/2014) [-]
*sneaks into bills house and raids his fridge*
User avatar #304 - konradkurze (12/26/2014) [-]
BILL
you alive?
User avatar #305 to #304 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/26/2014) [-]
I think so
#303 - konradkurze (12/23/2014) [-]
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will bill **** the hensel twins
User avatar #300 - konradkurze (12/22/2014) [-]
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is bill alive?
#302 to #301 - konradkurze (12/22/2014) [-]
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< bill as a zombie
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bills gender
User avatar #294 - konradkurze (12/13/2014) [-]
bill
hai bill

needing of your help
User avatar #295 to #294 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
what
User avatar #296 to #295 - konradkurze (12/13/2014) [-]
got a troll lurking around redthumbing me

can you please green thumb a bunch of my comments to shoo him away
User avatar #297 to #296 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (12/13/2014) [-]
Which ones?
User avatar #298 to #297 - konradkurze (12/13/2014) [-]
hmmm just any you see from my profile that can be thumbed

*brofists*
User avatar #273 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
*dresses bill up in full combat kit and paradrops him into iraq*
User avatar #274 to #273 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
you wanna know how i got out of the middle east?
iran
#272 - konradkurze (11/18/2014) [-]
**konradkurze rolls 0**
is Bill gonna stir **** today
User avatar #267 - konradkurze (11/17/2014) [-]
knock knock
User avatar #276 to #267 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
dude, change your dp into a monotone k
User avatar #279 to #277 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
the weird warhammer thing
#280 to #279 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
and what....pick a pic like yours....one color?
User avatar #281 to #280 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
yes.

we can start a trend
#282 to #281 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
conformist party at Bills house
conformist party at Bills house

User avatar #283 to #282 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
just do it
#284 to #283 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
you are such a conformist
wanting everyone to be like you
User avatar #285 to #284 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
A conformist is someone who wants to be like everyone else
User avatar #286 to #285 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
well you copied bumsnachers pic....so yeah
conformist

now you want me to conform too
User avatar #287 to #286 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
bumsnatcher's profile picture was red
User avatar #288 to #287 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
one color change still same pic
large letter b
User avatar #289 to #288 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
mine is 2 pixels smaller
User avatar #290 to #289 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
admitting "yours is smaller"

no shame in that bill.....its not about size but how you use it
User avatar #292 to #290 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
*whose
User avatar #291 to #290 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
Aye, but guess who's account is still active
User avatar #293 to #291 - konradkurze (11/22/2014) [-]
the conformist
********* is dead and youre still conforming to his picture
User avatar #278 to #277 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
display picture
User avatar #268 to #267 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/17/2014) [-]
dude, bumsnatcher finally found out that I stole his profile picture
User avatar #269 to #268 - konradkurze (11/17/2014) [-]
he pissed?
User avatar #262 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
knock knock
User avatar #263 to #262 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
who's there
User avatar #264 to #263 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
ayeet mahp
#266 to #265 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
**konradkurze rolls 9**
does bill hate jokes
User avatar #257 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
knock knock
User avatar #258 to #257 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
who's there
User avatar #259 to #258 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
ART OOD EET
User avatar #260 to #259 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/15/2014) [-]
R2D2
#261 to #260 - konradkurze (11/15/2014) [-]
you killed the joke

fukken bill
User avatar #255 - konradkurze (11/14/2014) [-]
knock knock
User avatar #252 - konradkurze (11/14/2014) [-]
knock knock
User avatar #253 to #252 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
who is it? Oh, Conrad. come right in! how did you find my address? we live on opposite hemispheres of the world.
User avatar #256 to #254 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE (11/14/2014) [-]
bruh, look at my comment rank
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