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#39 - no, what i'm saying is as long as the animal remains unharmed,…  [+] (3 new replies) 04/26/2015 on Animals 0
User avatar #41 - PVTDickStryker (04/26/2015) [-]
Guess we can slip roofies in women's drinks and fuck their unconscious bodies, just as long as we dont hurt them after.
User avatar #49 - lapsushominum (04/26/2015) [-]
That's kind of a strawman don't you think? In that case the drugged woman wouldn't be capable of giving lucid consent of any kind, verbal or non-verbal.
User avatar #46 - goodguygary (04/26/2015) [-]
A: not even the same scenario, same as the pedophilia = bestiality argument that was just made
B: i would rather have a dude go fuck a horse than date rape a woman
#37 - i mean, not like they're getting any human pussy. and if t…  [+] (9 new replies) 04/26/2015 on Animals 0
#44 - anonymous (04/26/2015) [-]
Diseases could be created/spread as things jump species barriers due to increased contact
#73 - klille (04/26/2015) [-]
yes, but so could things liike eating wild animals or having zoo's
#48 - goodguygary (04/26/2015) [-]
that is one of the only logical reasons i have even seen in this whole thing, thanks anon
#38 - fukkentyranitar (04/26/2015) [-]
By that logic, its cool to fuck kids as long as it doesn't hurt them.
#67 - anonymous (04/26/2015) [-]
Well, what doesn't make sense about that though?

As far as I know it was considered normal for an adult male to have sex with a young boy in ancient greece.

The reason we have these laws against pedophilia is because we have to protect the children who would get hurt if we didn't have them, which seems to be an unfortunately high number.
User avatar #39 - goodguygary (04/26/2015) [-]
no, what i'm saying is as long as the animal remains unharmed, i can't be bothered to really do much about it. having sexual relations with an animal before it reaches sexual maturity would be HARMING it.
User avatar #41 - PVTDickStryker (04/26/2015) [-]
Guess we can slip roofies in women's drinks and fuck their unconscious bodies, just as long as we dont hurt them after.
User avatar #49 - lapsushominum (04/26/2015) [-]
That's kind of a strawman don't you think? In that case the drugged woman wouldn't be capable of giving lucid consent of any kind, verbal or non-verbal.
User avatar #46 - goodguygary (04/26/2015) [-]
A: not even the same scenario, same as the pedophilia = bestiality argument that was just made
B: i would rather have a dude go fuck a horse than date rape a woman
#36 - didn't think i'd be hearing about the infamous Mr. Hands on FJ… 04/26/2015 on Animals +7
#78 - if i could avoid being bitten by a giant one, yes i would … 04/26/2015 on what a time to be alive +1
#160 - please, FJ as a collective falls under C,E, and a bit of A and B 04/26/2015 on Cringe #36 0
#158 - give mentions plox 04/26/2015 on Cringe #36 0
#157 - so uh, what do i win for having at least one trait from all th… 04/26/2015 on Cringe #36 0
#73 - something tells me you get mentioned in comments like mine a whole lot  [+] (3 new replies) 04/24/2015 on freakin freeaboos 0
User avatar #80 - beheaded (04/24/2015) [-]
yeah basically
comments about Muslims 75%
french revolution 5%
death wishes to other users 10%
syrianbro mentioning me in his comments 5% sorry but i get your username the most when i'm mentioned in the comments
people who've gotten beheaded in history 5%
reasons to remember the name 100%
#81 - syrianbro (04/24/2015) [-]
huh?

I dont say beheaded that often...
User avatar #83 - beheaded (04/24/2015) [-]
actually your a bit right because most the people who mention me have Syrian in their name but i looked at the notification from the last 30 days and i saw your username at least 5 times in there.
#70 - where you'll be beheaded by roaming gangs of snackbars  [+] (5 new replies) 04/24/2015 on freakin freeaboos +6
User avatar #72 - beheaded (04/24/2015) [-]
and probably the goat fucking capital of the world with how much Muslims are migrating to the UK and basically Europe in general, because how much the middle-east countres is going to complete shit
User avatar #73 - goodguygary (04/24/2015) [-]
something tells me you get mentioned in comments like mine a whole lot
User avatar #80 - beheaded (04/24/2015) [-]
yeah basically
comments about Muslims 75%
french revolution 5%
death wishes to other users 10%
syrianbro mentioning me in his comments 5% sorry but i get your username the most when i'm mentioned in the comments
people who've gotten beheaded in history 5%
reasons to remember the name 100%
#81 - syrianbro (04/24/2015) [-]
huh?

I dont say beheaded that often...
User avatar #83 - beheaded (04/24/2015) [-]
actually your a bit right because most the people who mention me have Syrian in their name but i looked at the notification from the last 30 days and i saw your username at least 5 times in there.
#69 - Picture 04/24/2015 on freakin freeaboos 0
#52 - i thought the point of a joke was to make people laugh 04/24/2015 on ain't that some shit +10
#662 - it is rather fun debating with you, but it looks like there's … 04/23/2015 on Justice Served 0
#599 - you say that taking from someone is wrong, yet by eating meat …  [+] (2 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served 0
User avatar #621 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Someone, meaning a person, a human. Not an animal. Not sure where you got that I was saying that.

Before Christianity there was Judaism and you don't have to pry when you did nothing wrong, only when you did. There really an answer for everything in the bible.

I believe in eternal life after death because life is very short and pointless without it.

We can continue this later if you like but I'm going to have to go so you might not get a reply for a while. Thanks for the debate though, was fun.
User avatar #662 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
it is rather fun debating with you, but it looks like there's some people giving us red thumbs because of our opinions, but whatever. the thought of eternal life scares me, because if we have an infinite amount of time to do whatever, we'll grow bored or it eventually. life is so very special to me and others because it lacks permanence. if eternal life existed this life would be meaningless, as what could a day here do to even compare to a day in heaven? although come to think of it, no casual sex would be kind of weird, but wouldn't affect my current sexlife
#564 - i will assume you are probably vegan because if not, you…  [+] (4 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served 0
User avatar #574 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I'm not vegan and am not sure why that makes my a hypocrite honestly.

And I don't mind guns at all. What I mind is carrying them for the purpose of killing other people, even those who threaten you. I also don't think anyone would be born prefect, that's why I was advocating that we improve medical science to get help to those who need it rather than preparing to kill those who we allowed to threaten us. And I find it hard to believe that we NEED to kill anyone. Not with modern resources and technology.

And I agree. Most religions do have hypocrisy and flaws. I haven't found any of that in Christianity though. Hell is perfectly fair. You get sent there for being bad and then at the end of time it is cast into the second fire for the second death and you cease to exist. And the miracles and stuff that are impossible are only impossible for humans, not really impossible for a god. And I'm not sure why you think it's unfair that you have to pray to God for forgiveness, how else are you supposed to show you messed up and acknowledge it and plan to try better in the future?

I guess I can't argue it being nonsense i cal sense that's your opinion but it doesn't look nonsensical to me. It's the only thing that makes sense. Atheism is what seems to defy logic to me. Why would you believe in nothing? How can anything with a limit exist without a creator? Why would you accept an ideal that has no possible reward for believing it?
User avatar #599 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
you say that taking from someone is wrong, yet by eating meat of any sort, you take from the creature you eat, taking their entire life just to keep you alive for a little while longer.
you can spout how it isn't the same, the fact remains you took a life to keep yourself alive, a basic wrong. yes there are people who NEED to die in order to keep this world safe. if a terrorist group got a hold of nuclear weaponry and planned to launch them at various cities around the world, they would need to be killed in order to preserve the lives of thousands of others, and the destruction of cities. impossible for a human but not for a god? well throw that impossibilities portion of your previous response out because by that astounding logic, nothing is impossible. hell is not fair, what of the people who were born before christianity existed? i think it's unfair to pray to god for forgiveness when i haven't even done anything wrong. if i followed the bible, then i would need to pray for forgiveness because i thought my married neighbor is pretty good looking (and a nice person) and her husband is a lucky son of a bitch for being able to find someone like that. i don't believe in intelligent design or a creator because honestly humans are not intelligently designed, and whoever thought putting the breathing tube where food goes through, and putting a playground next to a toxic waste factory should probably be fired for incompetence.
i suppose why i accept an ideal that has no possibility for reward at the end of it is because i don't really need to. why do you believe in an eternal life after death?
User avatar #621 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Someone, meaning a person, a human. Not an animal. Not sure where you got that I was saying that.

Before Christianity there was Judaism and you don't have to pry when you did nothing wrong, only when you did. There really an answer for everything in the bible.

I believe in eternal life after death because life is very short and pointless without it.

We can continue this later if you like but I'm going to have to go so you might not get a reply for a while. Thanks for the debate though, was fun.
User avatar #662 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
it is rather fun debating with you, but it looks like there's some people giving us red thumbs because of our opinions, but whatever. the thought of eternal life scares me, because if we have an infinite amount of time to do whatever, we'll grow bored or it eventually. life is so very special to me and others because it lacks permanence. if eternal life existed this life would be meaningless, as what could a day here do to even compare to a day in heaven? although come to think of it, no casual sex would be kind of weird, but wouldn't affect my current sexlife
#543 - but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served 0
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
#490 - and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? …  [+] (3 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served -1
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
#470 - let me preface this by saying "morality without god…  [+] (5 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served -1
User avatar #481 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
If you don't want to get into how there is no morality without God then that's fine. But we certainly do know something about death. And that is that there either is nothing or there is something. If there is nothing then it doesn't matter what we do in life really, it ends the same. If there is something then that life after death is either fair or unfair. If it's unfair, once again, it doesn't matter because it's unfair, we might not have been told about it which is unfair, we might not have had a chance to do what is right which is unfair. So that leaves only one option. If you want what you do on Earth to matter, it has to follow the rules of a fair afterlife dogma. So you either are religious and get either something or nothing or you're not religious and get either punishment or nothing. And while there are different religions, once again, if there is a fair afterlife, then anyone who seeks the right one will eventually find it.

As for you killing 1 to save 5, that is very wrong on so many levels. That means that you should start stealing from the rich to give to the poor because it would make the poor happy. After all, all you care about is cold numbers.
User avatar #490 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? you say there is only two options, either there is no god and nothing happens, or there is and something happens. truth is, there are so many other factors to put into that, like there being a god but no afterlife because the soul is a temporary thing. and what if there is an afterlife, but it isn't fair? what if it's only for believers in the "right" god? and yes i would take from those that can afford it, to give to those who need it. i would rather have a million smiling children, given a chance at life and happiness, than someone who is only happy having mass amounts of material wealth. and to say i only care about cold numbers because i would have five people have a shot at continuing life is about as wrong as it gets. what do you say to the person who would allow five people to die to let one person continue living?
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
#435 - but you didn't stop the massacre, and more people are dead for…  [+] (7 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served -1
User avatar #448 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Ah but it is that black and white. You see, it's better to avoid doing wrong yourself than it is to do any amount of good. Let me change the scenario. There is a bad guy, he is a stain on humanity and has done tons of bad things. You have the choice to kill him and use his organs to prolong the life of 5 other people. Is it ok for you to kill one person to help 5 others?
I say no, because more important than prolonging other people's lives is not hurting this one man.

And when you die you will be judged by what you do in life. Though if you believe that nothing happens after life and there is no God then none of this even matters sense morality doesn't exist. It's all just relative and no morality is absolute. It doesn't matter how many people that guy kills or you save.
User avatar #470 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
let me preface this by saying "morality without god is meaningless/doesn't exist" is a tired and overdone argument and is really not even worth giving more attention than i already have, if you want to discuss that particular thing, you can find a ton of youtube videos saying the same things we would both say. with that out of the way, i would end the life of 1 to save 5 others. that man has proven himself a burden upon society, and unless those other 5 were just like him, i would have no problem with the decision. i would rather have an "innocent" person around, than someone with several "marks." and what if there are no pearly gates awaiting us after we die? besides just believing that there is a heaven and all the good people will go there, we don't have any knowledge of what happens to us after death. well other than we start to smell incredibly bad, and are no fun at parties. eternal life after death is as far as we know not there as in, we cannot perceive it in any matter, but i do not discount it totally so we should endeavor to make it enjoyable for as many people as we can, kind of like a party. and if someone wants to be a party pooper and ruin the whole thing for a lot of people, we kick him out.
User avatar #481 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
If you don't want to get into how there is no morality without God then that's fine. But we certainly do know something about death. And that is that there either is nothing or there is something. If there is nothing then it doesn't matter what we do in life really, it ends the same. If there is something then that life after death is either fair or unfair. If it's unfair, once again, it doesn't matter because it's unfair, we might not have been told about it which is unfair, we might not have had a chance to do what is right which is unfair. So that leaves only one option. If you want what you do on Earth to matter, it has to follow the rules of a fair afterlife dogma. So you either are religious and get either something or nothing or you're not religious and get either punishment or nothing. And while there are different religions, once again, if there is a fair afterlife, then anyone who seeks the right one will eventually find it.

As for you killing 1 to save 5, that is very wrong on so many levels. That means that you should start stealing from the rich to give to the poor because it would make the poor happy. After all, all you care about is cold numbers.
User avatar #490 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? you say there is only two options, either there is no god and nothing happens, or there is and something happens. truth is, there are so many other factors to put into that, like there being a god but no afterlife because the soul is a temporary thing. and what if there is an afterlife, but it isn't fair? what if it's only for believers in the "right" god? and yes i would take from those that can afford it, to give to those who need it. i would rather have a million smiling children, given a chance at life and happiness, than someone who is only happy having mass amounts of material wealth. and to say i only care about cold numbers because i would have five people have a shot at continuing life is about as wrong as it gets. what do you say to the person who would allow five people to die to let one person continue living?
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
#408 - continuing this scenario, you'd probably end up shot, and the …  [+] (9 new replies) 04/23/2015 on Justice Served -1
User avatar #414 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
They do show signs, medical science just can't test or or pick up on those signs yet. And if I give up my life trying to stop the massacre then so be it. The point is purely your intentions. How can you care for all the strangers being shot at but not care about the stranger doing the shooting? Clearly they are the ones in need of more help than anyone. Sure, some of those victims will die but they will die innocent, the shooter is the one doing wrong and has a mark on his record.
User avatar #435 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but you didn't stop the massacre, and more people are dead for it. by not ending a murderer's life, you have ended several innocent people's lives. i respect your belief that everybody is entitled to life, but morality and life itself isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. also, once you are dead, why does it matter if you have a "mark" on your record? you wouldn't be alive to care, same as if you died "innocent."
User avatar #448 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Ah but it is that black and white. You see, it's better to avoid doing wrong yourself than it is to do any amount of good. Let me change the scenario. There is a bad guy, he is a stain on humanity and has done tons of bad things. You have the choice to kill him and use his organs to prolong the life of 5 other people. Is it ok for you to kill one person to help 5 others?
I say no, because more important than prolonging other people's lives is not hurting this one man.

And when you die you will be judged by what you do in life. Though if you believe that nothing happens after life and there is no God then none of this even matters sense morality doesn't exist. It's all just relative and no morality is absolute. It doesn't matter how many people that guy kills or you save.
User avatar #470 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
let me preface this by saying "morality without god is meaningless/doesn't exist" is a tired and overdone argument and is really not even worth giving more attention than i already have, if you want to discuss that particular thing, you can find a ton of youtube videos saying the same things we would both say. with that out of the way, i would end the life of 1 to save 5 others. that man has proven himself a burden upon society, and unless those other 5 were just like him, i would have no problem with the decision. i would rather have an "innocent" person around, than someone with several "marks." and what if there are no pearly gates awaiting us after we die? besides just believing that there is a heaven and all the good people will go there, we don't have any knowledge of what happens to us after death. well other than we start to smell incredibly bad, and are no fun at parties. eternal life after death is as far as we know not there as in, we cannot perceive it in any matter, but i do not discount it totally so we should endeavor to make it enjoyable for as many people as we can, kind of like a party. and if someone wants to be a party pooper and ruin the whole thing for a lot of people, we kick him out.
User avatar #481 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
If you don't want to get into how there is no morality without God then that's fine. But we certainly do know something about death. And that is that there either is nothing or there is something. If there is nothing then it doesn't matter what we do in life really, it ends the same. If there is something then that life after death is either fair or unfair. If it's unfair, once again, it doesn't matter because it's unfair, we might not have been told about it which is unfair, we might not have had a chance to do what is right which is unfair. So that leaves only one option. If you want what you do on Earth to matter, it has to follow the rules of a fair afterlife dogma. So you either are religious and get either something or nothing or you're not religious and get either punishment or nothing. And while there are different religions, once again, if there is a fair afterlife, then anyone who seeks the right one will eventually find it.

As for you killing 1 to save 5, that is very wrong on so many levels. That means that you should start stealing from the rich to give to the poor because it would make the poor happy. After all, all you care about is cold numbers.
User avatar #490 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? you say there is only two options, either there is no god and nothing happens, or there is and something happens. truth is, there are so many other factors to put into that, like there being a god but no afterlife because the soul is a temporary thing. and what if there is an afterlife, but it isn't fair? what if it's only for believers in the "right" god? and yes i would take from those that can afford it, to give to those who need it. i would rather have a million smiling children, given a chance at life and happiness, than someone who is only happy having mass amounts of material wealth. and to say i only care about cold numbers because i would have five people have a shot at continuing life is about as wrong as it gets. what do you say to the person who would allow five people to die to let one person continue living?
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
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User avatar #399 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Depending on ho close I am to him I would always go for the non lethal shots. Perhaps some intentionally missed covering fire till people can run and to show him I have a gun so he better focus on me. But that's irrelevant because I don't plan to ever carry a gun. If someone wants to kill them then I either I did something to provoke it or it's random chance, and I prevent random chance by trying to help as many mentally ill as I can before hand, not by being ready to kill them if they snap.
User avatar #408 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
continuing this scenario, you'd probably end up shot, and the rampage would most likely continue. and not everyone in the world can be "helped." some refuse any sort of treatment, and others don't show signs of needing it before it's too late
User avatar #414 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
They do show signs, medical science just can't test or or pick up on those signs yet. And if I give up my life trying to stop the massacre then so be it. The point is purely your intentions. How can you care for all the strangers being shot at but not care about the stranger doing the shooting? Clearly they are the ones in need of more help than anyone. Sure, some of those victims will die but they will die innocent, the shooter is the one doing wrong and has a mark on his record.
User avatar #435 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but you didn't stop the massacre, and more people are dead for it. by not ending a murderer's life, you have ended several innocent people's lives. i respect your belief that everybody is entitled to life, but morality and life itself isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. also, once you are dead, why does it matter if you have a "mark" on your record? you wouldn't be alive to care, same as if you died "innocent."
User avatar #448 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Ah but it is that black and white. You see, it's better to avoid doing wrong yourself than it is to do any amount of good. Let me change the scenario. There is a bad guy, he is a stain on humanity and has done tons of bad things. You have the choice to kill him and use his organs to prolong the life of 5 other people. Is it ok for you to kill one person to help 5 others?
I say no, because more important than prolonging other people's lives is not hurting this one man.

And when you die you will be judged by what you do in life. Though if you believe that nothing happens after life and there is no God then none of this even matters sense morality doesn't exist. It's all just relative and no morality is absolute. It doesn't matter how many people that guy kills or you save.
User avatar #470 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
let me preface this by saying "morality without god is meaningless/doesn't exist" is a tired and overdone argument and is really not even worth giving more attention than i already have, if you want to discuss that particular thing, you can find a ton of youtube videos saying the same things we would both say. with that out of the way, i would end the life of 1 to save 5 others. that man has proven himself a burden upon society, and unless those other 5 were just like him, i would have no problem with the decision. i would rather have an "innocent" person around, than someone with several "marks." and what if there are no pearly gates awaiting us after we die? besides just believing that there is a heaven and all the good people will go there, we don't have any knowledge of what happens to us after death. well other than we start to smell incredibly bad, and are no fun at parties. eternal life after death is as far as we know not there as in, we cannot perceive it in any matter, but i do not discount it totally so we should endeavor to make it enjoyable for as many people as we can, kind of like a party. and if someone wants to be a party pooper and ruin the whole thing for a lot of people, we kick him out.
User avatar #481 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
If you don't want to get into how there is no morality without God then that's fine. But we certainly do know something about death. And that is that there either is nothing or there is something. If there is nothing then it doesn't matter what we do in life really, it ends the same. If there is something then that life after death is either fair or unfair. If it's unfair, once again, it doesn't matter because it's unfair, we might not have been told about it which is unfair, we might not have had a chance to do what is right which is unfair. So that leaves only one option. If you want what you do on Earth to matter, it has to follow the rules of a fair afterlife dogma. So you either are religious and get either something or nothing or you're not religious and get either punishment or nothing. And while there are different religions, once again, if there is a fair afterlife, then anyone who seeks the right one will eventually find it.

As for you killing 1 to save 5, that is very wrong on so many levels. That means that you should start stealing from the rich to give to the poor because it would make the poor happy. After all, all you care about is cold numbers.
User avatar #490 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? you say there is only two options, either there is no god and nothing happens, or there is and something happens. truth is, there are so many other factors to put into that, like there being a god but no afterlife because the soul is a temporary thing. and what if there is an afterlife, but it isn't fair? what if it's only for believers in the "right" god? and yes i would take from those that can afford it, to give to those who need it. i would rather have a million smiling children, given a chance at life and happiness, than someone who is only happy having mass amounts of material wealth. and to say i only care about cold numbers because i would have five people have a shot at continuing life is about as wrong as it gets. what do you say to the person who would allow five people to die to let one person continue living?
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
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User avatar #381 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Yes, but this assumes that the starving man didn't ask for help before stealing. If he had asked and the man with bread didn't help then that too would wrong. But one should never focus on the immoralities of others. You should primarily worry about making sure you do no wrong even while those around you hurt you.
User avatar #564 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
i will assume you are probably vegan because if not, you're a huge hypocrite. as there is no reply room, i had to move my reply here. it is also wrong to have opulence while others live in poverty, that does not mean it isn't going to happen. in your idealistic happy world there would be no need to carry a gun, because nothing would need to be killed. there would also be no need for psychological help because everyone would be born of fit mind and body. this is not a perfect world, we do need to kill people as incredibly harsh and bad as it sounds, it is a necessary evil. to address religions, most of them have hypocrisy in their scriptures and dogmas. things that could not be possible in the world today are in most if not all religious scriptures, and most religions preach unfair things such as going to hell, or that religion's equivalent if you do not pray to their god. religion cannot be looked at the same way as anything else because there is nothing else like it. it says you're being watched and judged at all times, that you were created to follow these sets of rules but you can choose not to at the same time. it's nonsensical at best.
User avatar #574 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I'm not vegan and am not sure why that makes my a hypocrite honestly.

And I don't mind guns at all. What I mind is carrying them for the purpose of killing other people, even those who threaten you. I also don't think anyone would be born prefect, that's why I was advocating that we improve medical science to get help to those who need it rather than preparing to kill those who we allowed to threaten us. And I find it hard to believe that we NEED to kill anyone. Not with modern resources and technology.

And I agree. Most religions do have hypocrisy and flaws. I haven't found any of that in Christianity though. Hell is perfectly fair. You get sent there for being bad and then at the end of time it is cast into the second fire for the second death and you cease to exist. And the miracles and stuff that are impossible are only impossible for humans, not really impossible for a god. And I'm not sure why you think it's unfair that you have to pray to God for forgiveness, how else are you supposed to show you messed up and acknowledge it and plan to try better in the future?

I guess I can't argue it being nonsense i cal sense that's your opinion but it doesn't look nonsensical to me. It's the only thing that makes sense. Atheism is what seems to defy logic to me. Why would you believe in nothing? How can anything with a limit exist without a creator? Why would you accept an ideal that has no possible reward for believing it?
User avatar #599 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
you say that taking from someone is wrong, yet by eating meat of any sort, you take from the creature you eat, taking their entire life just to keep you alive for a little while longer.
you can spout how it isn't the same, the fact remains you took a life to keep yourself alive, a basic wrong. yes there are people who NEED to die in order to keep this world safe. if a terrorist group got a hold of nuclear weaponry and planned to launch them at various cities around the world, they would need to be killed in order to preserve the lives of thousands of others, and the destruction of cities. impossible for a human but not for a god? well throw that impossibilities portion of your previous response out because by that astounding logic, nothing is impossible. hell is not fair, what of the people who were born before christianity existed? i think it's unfair to pray to god for forgiveness when i haven't even done anything wrong. if i followed the bible, then i would need to pray for forgiveness because i thought my married neighbor is pretty good looking (and a nice person) and her husband is a lucky son of a bitch for being able to find someone like that. i don't believe in intelligent design or a creator because honestly humans are not intelligently designed, and whoever thought putting the breathing tube where food goes through, and putting a playground next to a toxic waste factory should probably be fired for incompetence.
i suppose why i accept an ideal that has no possibility for reward at the end of it is because i don't really need to. why do you believe in an eternal life after death?
User avatar #621 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Someone, meaning a person, a human. Not an animal. Not sure where you got that I was saying that.

Before Christianity there was Judaism and you don't have to pry when you did nothing wrong, only when you did. There really an answer for everything in the bible.

I believe in eternal life after death because life is very short and pointless without it.

We can continue this later if you like but I'm going to have to go so you might not get a reply for a while. Thanks for the debate though, was fun.
User avatar #662 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
it is rather fun debating with you, but it looks like there's some people giving us red thumbs because of our opinions, but whatever. the thought of eternal life scares me, because if we have an infinite amount of time to do whatever, we'll grow bored or it eventually. life is so very special to me and others because it lacks permanence. if eternal life existed this life would be meaningless, as what could a day here do to even compare to a day in heaven? although come to think of it, no casual sex would be kind of weird, but wouldn't affect my current sexlife
User avatar #388 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
now how about this for a scenario, you're in a large group of people, and you're concealed carrying a handgun when a man with a rifle starts shooting people in the crowd. so do you absolutely ignore your morality and attempt to kill the man, or try a couple of nonlethal shots?
User avatar #399 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Depending on ho close I am to him I would always go for the non lethal shots. Perhaps some intentionally missed covering fire till people can run and to show him I have a gun so he better focus on me. But that's irrelevant because I don't plan to ever carry a gun. If someone wants to kill them then I either I did something to provoke it or it's random chance, and I prevent random chance by trying to help as many mentally ill as I can before hand, not by being ready to kill them if they snap.
User avatar #408 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
continuing this scenario, you'd probably end up shot, and the rampage would most likely continue. and not everyone in the world can be "helped." some refuse any sort of treatment, and others don't show signs of needing it before it's too late
User avatar #414 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
They do show signs, medical science just can't test or or pick up on those signs yet. And if I give up my life trying to stop the massacre then so be it. The point is purely your intentions. How can you care for all the strangers being shot at but not care about the stranger doing the shooting? Clearly they are the ones in need of more help than anyone. Sure, some of those victims will die but they will die innocent, the shooter is the one doing wrong and has a mark on his record.
User avatar #435 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but you didn't stop the massacre, and more people are dead for it. by not ending a murderer's life, you have ended several innocent people's lives. i respect your belief that everybody is entitled to life, but morality and life itself isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. also, once you are dead, why does it matter if you have a "mark" on your record? you wouldn't be alive to care, same as if you died "innocent."
User avatar #448 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Ah but it is that black and white. You see, it's better to avoid doing wrong yourself than it is to do any amount of good. Let me change the scenario. There is a bad guy, he is a stain on humanity and has done tons of bad things. You have the choice to kill him and use his organs to prolong the life of 5 other people. Is it ok for you to kill one person to help 5 others?
I say no, because more important than prolonging other people's lives is not hurting this one man.

And when you die you will be judged by what you do in life. Though if you believe that nothing happens after life and there is no God then none of this even matters sense morality doesn't exist. It's all just relative and no morality is absolute. It doesn't matter how many people that guy kills or you save.
User avatar #470 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
let me preface this by saying "morality without god is meaningless/doesn't exist" is a tired and overdone argument and is really not even worth giving more attention than i already have, if you want to discuss that particular thing, you can find a ton of youtube videos saying the same things we would both say. with that out of the way, i would end the life of 1 to save 5 others. that man has proven himself a burden upon society, and unless those other 5 were just like him, i would have no problem with the decision. i would rather have an "innocent" person around, than someone with several "marks." and what if there are no pearly gates awaiting us after we die? besides just believing that there is a heaven and all the good people will go there, we don't have any knowledge of what happens to us after death. well other than we start to smell incredibly bad, and are no fun at parties. eternal life after death is as far as we know not there as in, we cannot perceive it in any matter, but i do not discount it totally so we should endeavor to make it enjoyable for as many people as we can, kind of like a party. and if someone wants to be a party pooper and ruin the whole thing for a lot of people, we kick him out.
User avatar #481 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
If you don't want to get into how there is no morality without God then that's fine. But we certainly do know something about death. And that is that there either is nothing or there is something. If there is nothing then it doesn't matter what we do in life really, it ends the same. If there is something then that life after death is either fair or unfair. If it's unfair, once again, it doesn't matter because it's unfair, we might not have been told about it which is unfair, we might not have had a chance to do what is right which is unfair. So that leaves only one option. If you want what you do on Earth to matter, it has to follow the rules of a fair afterlife dogma. So you either are religious and get either something or nothing or you're not religious and get either punishment or nothing. And while there are different religions, once again, if there is a fair afterlife, then anyone who seeks the right one will eventually find it.

As for you killing 1 to save 5, that is very wrong on so many levels. That means that you should start stealing from the rich to give to the poor because it would make the poor happy. After all, all you care about is cold numbers.
User avatar #490 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
and what if there is a god, but it isn't the one you pray to? you say there is only two options, either there is no god and nothing happens, or there is and something happens. truth is, there are so many other factors to put into that, like there being a god but no afterlife because the soul is a temporary thing. and what if there is an afterlife, but it isn't fair? what if it's only for believers in the "right" god? and yes i would take from those that can afford it, to give to those who need it. i would rather have a million smiling children, given a chance at life and happiness, than someone who is only happy having mass amounts of material wealth. and to say i only care about cold numbers because i would have five people have a shot at continuing life is about as wrong as it gets. what do you say to the person who would allow five people to die to let one person continue living?
User avatar #492 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
I addressed if the god one worships isn't the right one. That's the part about how if you seek out the true religion you will find it, but only if you search. If you never look beyond your book then you won't likely notice.

And you clearly didn't read what I said. A god but no afterlife falls into the "unfair afterlife" category.

But only those who took the time to find the right god is a fair afterlife but only if God put the ability for everyone to find his way, which the Christian god did at least.

I would say that allowing someone to die is perfectly fine. You allow thousands to die per day simply because you didn't go into the medical field and possibly find a cure for yet uncured disease. You let thousands die because you don't send your excess money to be used to buy food for those in need. All you can do is your best but no one can be expected to save everyone or even to save everyone possible to be saved. Prolonging life is a pitiful example of doing good. It would be far better to enrich a life than to prolong it.
User avatar #543 - goodguygary (04/23/2015) [-]
but how is our stain on humanity's quality of life improved in any way? assuming all these bad things he has done would net him in prison, probably for a life sentence if he has murders under his belt. would you be able to walk in a room with those five dying people, look them in the eyes and tell them they have death to look forwards to, while some lowlife thug gets to spend the rest of his life in prison? you do have a point about me not reading what you said, i was entirely too busy focusing on someone telling me i care only about "cold numbers" to completely focus on the complexities of a fair and unfair afterlife, so allow me to offer a rebuttal to your comment here, and to the one i rather shamefully ignored: if you convert to Christianity, and your brother/other family member converts to Islam, who has the wrong religion? obviously both parties will feel it is the right one, and if you both went looking for the truth and found it in two different ways, who is wrong?
most religions do what you say the christian god does, they offer salvation if you only accept that their god(s) are the true ones.
User avatar #553 - Vandeekree (04/23/2015) [-]
Everyone has death to look forward to. But it's wrong to take from someone else for your gain. It's just a basic wrong thing that I'm surprised you can't see.

And it doesn't matter who it is following a religion, it is the two religions that need to be compared. Islam vs Christianity is a good example. You have to look at them and compare why one might be superior to the other. Study them to make sure you know which one(if either) is right. Do they have contradictions? Impossibilities? Is what they preach unfair? Are there holes in the dogma? Is there anything "divine" about their holy books? It all has to be taken into account the same way you would look at anything else.
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