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#34 - snowshark (08/28/2014) [-]
It was. Anime is Japanese for anything that is animated. Wallace and Grommit is Anime to them.
However by the colloquialised usage of the term anime, Korra is still anime. Because the term in the west has grown to be such an amorphous and amalgous concept it has no real, concrete meaning. The usage of a word is where we decide what the word means and people use 'anime' to mean so many different things the term is pretty unhelpful these days.
So it means all animation and only animation coming out of japan and animation with a noticeably eastern-inspired style and you get the idea.
#42 - Bion (08/28/2014) [-]
Anime is literally short for "Japanese Animation", not just animation. At some point in time, it was called Japanime, but was shortened further.
Yes, they are both types of animation, but this is the reason that Japanese anime are called anime, and not cartoons.
It goes by a similar logic of "a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square."
#45 - snowshark (08/28/2014) [-]
Except... that's not how people tend to use the word. People tend to use the word very differently from each other, some even spelling it with an accent to reflect the pronunciation. (Animé)
The point being, the use of a word is what defines the meaning, just as it did with the word 'cool' and as it does with many, many other words that are cannibalised by the zeitgeist.
Right now the word 'anime' means a lot of things that it didn't before. In fact, that's similar to the word 'Cartoon'. 'Cartoon' means a humorous drawing. It's why when you study WWII they call the propaganda comics, cartoons, because that's what they are. When Mickey and Felix and those other comic shorts came along the term stuck with them because they were simply moving cartoons. The term 'cartoon' implies some kind of comedic element by it's heritage, but has changed over time to mean all hand-drawn animation and even CG animated stuff to some extent.
The use is where we derive the meaning from. If people agree on the meaning of a word, that's what it means, even if others might disagree. If enough people agree, the meaning makes it into the dictionary. Anime is a word that NOBODY can seem to agree on what it means... because it means nothing and it also means everything depending on which context you view it from. It's a troublesome word, but it's not the only one.
#52 - Bion (08/28/2014) [-]
Yes, but if everyone would use the word the way it was meant to be used, we wouldn't have that problem.
The problem arises from three different causes:
People who dislike anime, and thus call it cartoons interchangeably, just to be annoying.
People who assume that anime is short for just "animation", so they begin that argument.
And people who spread around that the word can be used interchangeably.
No one calls American cartoons "anime", unless the animation, quality, and plot are similar to them. There is reason for this.
Similarly, comics are not manga, and manga are not comics. Even Manhwa is technically different, albeit heavily influenced by manga. They are all a form of literature, but not the same. In the same sense that cartoons and anime shouldn't be mixed together, either.
#55 - snowshark (08/28/2014) [-]
That argument could easily be made about the word 'cool'. People using a word in a manner in which it isn't meant to be used is where we get a lot of our words. We don't live in the ideal world where we can control the evolution of our language. Even the French who literally have national meetings about this stuff can't preserve their language technically, only officially, from the onslaught of new meanings. Even a council of 'experts' can't stop it.
You just gotta roll with the punches.
#57 - snowshark (08/28/2014) [-]
No, they do use it genuinely. They are using the term in reference to the style more than the place of origin.
Also, let's not forget there is a precedent for this. Literally now has two meanings in the dictionary. 1: Literally. 2: Figuratively. It happened. It changed and now literally means both what it means and what it doesn't. Its similar to how you can turn your alarm clock off after it goes off. There are plenty of words that mean their opposite and plenty of words that came about as mistakes.
The point isn't if it's right or wrong. It's that enough people use the word that way that we have to acknowledge that it is a valid way of using the word. I'm not advocating for or against here, these are just the rules by which we govern the English Language.
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