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#16 - The problem is our right to free speech and religion ends wher…  [+] (1 new reply) 06/03/2014 on (untitled) +1
User avatar #17 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
The first one it was a part of their job to do it. If your boss told you to do something and you said "No, I don't believe in it", you shouldn't be working there.
And the second one, they failed. So what, they wasted money.
#14 - Picture  [+] (3 new replies) 06/03/2014 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #15 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
That first one, some bishops did something very much illegal and against the rules of the people they worked for. You think they shouldn't be punished for that?
And the second one was lost, I'm not sure what the problem is.
#16 - gassnake (06/03/2014) [-]
The problem is our right to free speech and religion ends where their feelings begin. I don't care if they have they union in the courthouse and get the documentation for taxes or whatever, but it is intolerant for them to force churches to perform their unions if they don't believe in it.
User avatar #17 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
The first one it was a part of their job to do it. If your boss told you to do something and you said "No, I don't believe in it", you shouldn't be working there.
And the second one, they failed. So what, they wasted money.
#12 - Even so setting up predatory situations to sue churches and ru…  [+] (5 new replies) 06/03/2014 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #13 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
Source?
User avatar #15 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
That first one, some bishops did something very much illegal and against the rules of the people they worked for. You think they shouldn't be punished for that?
And the second one was lost, I'm not sure what the problem is.
#16 - gassnake (06/03/2014) [-]
The problem is our right to free speech and religion ends where their feelings begin. I don't care if they have they union in the courthouse and get the documentation for taxes or whatever, but it is intolerant for them to force churches to perform their unions if they don't believe in it.
User avatar #17 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
The first one it was a part of their job to do it. If your boss told you to do something and you said "No, I don't believe in it", you shouldn't be working there.
And the second one, they failed. So what, they wasted money.
#9 - Freedom of speech does work both ways. I don't support them b…  [+] (8 new replies) 06/03/2014 on (untitled) +1
User avatar #91 - hoponthefeelstrain (06/03/2014) [-]
marriage isn't just bound to Christianity though.. Even atheist get married.
User avatar #10 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
Private religious organisations have every right to refuse private religious ceremonies. The problem is when private religious organisations lobby to deny the right to public official marriages.
#12 - gassnake (06/03/2014) [-]
Even so setting up predatory situations to sue churches and ruin people's lives for a cause is pointless and only strengthens the opposition against you.
User avatar #13 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
Source?
User avatar #15 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
That first one, some bishops did something very much illegal and against the rules of the people they worked for. You think they shouldn't be punished for that?
And the second one was lost, I'm not sure what the problem is.
#16 - gassnake (06/03/2014) [-]
The problem is our right to free speech and religion ends where their feelings begin. I don't care if they have they union in the courthouse and get the documentation for taxes or whatever, but it is intolerant for them to force churches to perform their unions if they don't believe in it.
User avatar #17 - ninjaroo (06/03/2014) [-]
The first one it was a part of their job to do it. If your boss told you to do something and you said "No, I don't believe in it", you shouldn't be working there.
And the second one, they failed. So what, they wasted money.
#30 - Too bad background checks already exist for buying a gun, and …  [+] (1 new reply) 11/25/2013 on guns n shit +5
User avatar #114 - metalmind (11/25/2013) [-]
Haha, that's priceless.
American Gun control doesn't work.
#2 - you forgot the single 9mm bullet 11/14/2013 on Trayvon Martini +2
#646 - Those countries are what happens when socialism tries to opera… 10/28/2013 on but.. but.. Murica? 0
#329 - You can throw money into a pit all day and it will never accom…  [+] (2 new replies) 10/28/2013 on but.. but.. Murica? 0
User avatar #337 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
No no no, you're wrong. You're combining it into one thing that it isn't. China, Russia, North Korea is nothing like Scandinavia. Probably why you're so scared of our system, it's because you think that.

Complaining about it constantly and saying "It won't work" as you frown at the screen is not helping your shut-down country.
#646 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
Those countries are what happens when socialism tries to operate on a large scale, but you would rather use a strawman argument. Scandinavia may look great now, but the programs that are in place there have no long term basis, so in about 20-30 you will begin seeing the economic decline that has occurred in the US. Without 100% contribution from everyone in the economy socialist programs cannot work, and it is impossible to get everyone to contribute to these programs especially if they are unemployed, because they have no forms of capital.
#311 - That's some nice idealistic thinking there, but money will not…  [+] (4 new replies) 10/28/2013 on but.. but.. Murica? 0
User avatar #322 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
Mmmh, I do believe in these matters, money would be the solution.
Also this. www.funnyjunk.com/but..+but..+Murica/funny-pictures/4859907/303#303
#329 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
You can throw money into a pit all day and it will never accomplish anything. We've seen it with Russia, China, North Korea, you name it. Money without an incentive to sustain yourself is useless. That's why we're in this state, life have become a cycle of more and more people saying "give me that" in the short term and destroying the long term growth possibilities, and that's why socialistic programs will fail on the large scale they aren't self sufficient.
User avatar #337 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
No no no, you're wrong. You're combining it into one thing that it isn't. China, Russia, North Korea is nothing like Scandinavia. Probably why you're so scared of our system, it's because you think that.

Complaining about it constantly and saying "It won't work" as you frown at the screen is not helping your shut-down country.
#646 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
Those countries are what happens when socialism tries to operate on a large scale, but you would rather use a strawman argument. Scandinavia may look great now, but the programs that are in place there have no long term basis, so in about 20-30 you will begin seeing the economic decline that has occurred in the US. Without 100% contribution from everyone in the economy socialist programs cannot work, and it is impossible to get everyone to contribute to these programs especially if they are unemployed, because they have no forms of capital.
#280 - Except in America the system can't work on that large of a sca…  [+] (18 new replies) 10/28/2013 on but.. but.. Murica? +1
User avatar #286 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
You see, this is where you fail.
"We can't do it". There's the problem. You say it won't work.
"Government doesn't have the funds".
That's why we have high taxes.
"nor the manpower".
Which is what we get because of the taxes.

Are you saying that, the larger and more people there are who pay taxes.. The less money you'll get and it won't work? Hmm?
#311 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
That's some nice idealistic thinking there, but money will not solve every problem. And more bureaucratic laws that have no real effect will only cause the true issue to be obscured by 500 laws. It's happened with gun control, equality, and with continued regulation it will happen with healthcare, net neutrality, etc.
User avatar #322 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
Mmmh, I do believe in these matters, money would be the solution.
Also this. www.funnyjunk.com/but..+but..+Murica/funny-pictures/4859907/303#303
#329 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
You can throw money into a pit all day and it will never accomplish anything. We've seen it with Russia, China, North Korea, you name it. Money without an incentive to sustain yourself is useless. That's why we're in this state, life have become a cycle of more and more people saying "give me that" in the short term and destroying the long term growth possibilities, and that's why socialistic programs will fail on the large scale they aren't self sufficient.
User avatar #337 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
No no no, you're wrong. You're combining it into one thing that it isn't. China, Russia, North Korea is nothing like Scandinavia. Probably why you're so scared of our system, it's because you think that.

Complaining about it constantly and saying "It won't work" as you frown at the screen is not helping your shut-down country.
#646 - gassnake (10/28/2013) [-]
Those countries are what happens when socialism tries to operate on a large scale, but you would rather use a strawman argument. Scandinavia may look great now, but the programs that are in place there have no long term basis, so in about 20-30 you will begin seeing the economic decline that has occurred in the US. Without 100% contribution from everyone in the economy socialist programs cannot work, and it is impossible to get everyone to contribute to these programs especially if they are unemployed, because they have no forms of capital.
#305 - anonymous (10/28/2013) [-]
Larger populations are more difficult to work with, all the most gigantic civilizations in history that have fallen have largely been due to the size of their empire.
User avatar #327 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
They are more difficult, but not impossible.

Yeah, they have fallen.. But you're ignoring the fact that it lasted so long (Roman empire). Obviously, they kept changing political views constantly and everyone disagreed with this and that. They didn't quite have a well functioning democracy as today.
#332 - anonymous (10/28/2013) [-]
Point being it's easier to do things as a smaller country than it is to a large, so saying "Oh you just need to do this for a quick fix" is retarded because it's ignoring the complications a MUCH larger country has.

And smaller countries have had equal if not greater lifespans, the fact remains more people complicate the issues, that's been true throughout history and it still hold truth.
User avatar #340 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
Excuse me, where did I say "You just need to do this for a quick fix"?
I wonder. Can't seem to find it anywhere.

www.funnyjunk.com/but..+but..+Murica/funny-pictures/4859907/303#303

Oh, looks to me like I said exactly the opposite.
User avatar #304 - sketchE (10/28/2013) [-]
about 40 percent of our nation is on welfare of some kind. that means every month we send money to around100 million people. a fair amount of that are living solely on welfare.

i actually had to laugh when you said people who come over without an education are fucked. part of the reason illegal immigration is such a problem is the sheer amount of people coming over here and getting welfare they shouldnt.

the reason capitalism works is because skill equals pay and everyone loves getting payed so theyll work harder. look at teachers at harvard than look at teachers at university of phoenix, then look at the price differance then look at the teachers salaries. they will be drasticly different. have you ever heard of someone saying they went to harvard and the teacher didnt know their shit? no but my college most of my teachers wouldnt know the curriculum if it wasnt in the book
User avatar #331 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
So, basically.. You're agreeing with me? Obviously, they are on welfare for a reason. They are uneducated. The big percentage that is. (Also, I'd like a source on the "40 percent" statement).

With taxes, you could invest in managing all the illegal immigrants. Too bad eh?

I'm sorry, but "the reason capitalism works" had me laughing. You know, with the shut-down and everything.

The last part, not sure what you're trying to say. The reason Finland works much better than any other country's school-system is because teachers are greatly paid, that you're right This is by no means the work of capitalism though. As you can see, it works in a non-capitalistic country.
User avatar #338 - sketchE (10/28/2013) [-]
they are on welfare because its handed out like candy of the 40% of the US considered poor only 2 percent said they have no place to live and 8 percent said they ever went hungry. the source is from a news article handed out in a sociology class i took years ago. i really wish i had it.

you lost me on the taxes part. illegal immigrants pay no taxes yet receive services paid for by taxes.

the shutdown was a result of a capitalist country with a government that wanted to be socialist. look at the amount of handouts the obama administration has added. clinton created a surplus by reducing welfare not increasing it as well as reducing restrictions on corporations

look at the best teachers in the world and where they were educated. look at the best doctors lawyers and scientists. most came out of US colleges
User avatar #346 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
and what use of those highly educated people do you have? So the people can't afford treatment from them because they require more money?
User avatar #344 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
See, that's not my problem. That's your country failing to manage it. I can't rely on the information given, since there is no source though.

No, I said taxes would prevent you from getting all those illegal immigrants. More management.

From what I heard, it's the result of stubborn capitalists that fear change and equality. Capitalism is stereotypically seen as people hogging the money. For a reason, that's a stereotype.

Now that might be true, but you don't need a country full of the best doctors and lawyers and what not. You need the general population to have a proper education, rather than only highly educated people.

Also, we have highly educated people here too. Let me give you a historical person for reference to keep you from boasting. Niels Bohr, H.C. ├śrsted. Rings a bell?
User avatar #355 - sketchE (10/28/2013) [-]
sorry spent way too much time on obamacare and ran out of room. im not saying you dont have smart people thats why i said most. there are plenty of good schools in other countries. we also have tons of free colleges throughout the US
User avatar #352 - sketchE (10/28/2013) [-]
trust me im well aware of how poorly managed welfare is since ive worked and dealt with the people recieving it. im under the poverty line yet i live comfortably with no government aid.

im still not sure how taxes would prevent illegal immigrants since they already avoid the ones we have

the capitalists were actually the least stubborn surprisingly. the bill started out with a total defunding of obamacare and ended in a six month delay after numerous rejections by democrats which still got rejections. just for a frame of referance let me give you a few scenarios.

your a small business owner just starting out and you have three fulltime employees working full time and then some. you pay them a decent wage. since your a small local business after all of your costs and taxes you probably dont have a huge profit which is the point of business. now you are forced by the government to provide your employees with health insurence since they work full time. the option becomes do you reduce their hours possibly losing them or do you give them health insurence meaning your no longer making money and will eventually have to shut down.

now imagine your a young adult. obamacare is put into effect and you are forced to get healthcare. the cheepest would be to buy high deductable emergency health care but the companies that are allowed to sell you healthcare at all are only allowed to sell low deductable which is far more expensive. do you buy it or pay the government extra so that they can give healthcare to people who dont pay into taxes? you dont get anything if you choose not to.

thats obamacare in a nutshell but thats another argument all together.

i like germanies schooling system. they basicly split you into three groups those who are going to college those who are going to trade school and those who are going to be the workers and its all based on knowledge and skill. in the US everyone is equal and should leave school with the basic knowledge to survive.
User avatar #358 - tylosaurus (10/28/2013) [-]
Hmm, okay. I don't feel like arguing about this anymore and I'm just going to pull the immature "our government and country all-in-all is working great and we're the number one in the study of happiest country" - card.

and what you're describing is pretty much the entire scandinavian school-system.
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