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#152 - Yea, you are right, there is no point arguing with you when yo…  [+] (1 new reply) 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics 0
#155 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
huh, actually, picture an artist drawing portraits of people.

at first he was drawing with a stick of charcoal, (ps2) then he found a paintbrush, and everyone was like "wow, look, it has colour and everything" (ps3, early) then as time wore on, he actually learned how to use a paintbrush properly, and everything looked clearer and sharper (ps3 late)

the he bought himself a set of paintbrushes and a new pallet. (ps4)

he's going to keep practising, keep getting better, but he's still basically using the same tools, even if these ones a bigger and more expensive, its still basically the same technique, right?
#147 - Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you could magically upgrade hardw… 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics 0
#143 - Why are you being such a dick? All I said was that a software … 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics 0
#45 - If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on …  [+] (19 new replies) 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics -1
User avatar #97 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Guys we invented all we can. All you scientists and engineers cans stop. Ganidorf clearly knows we have reached our potential as a species.

If people were as stupid as you, we still wouldn't have automobiles because, "we already figured everything out with horses."
#115 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you can't improve the software past what the hardware hand handle.

they didn't make massive changes to the hardware this time.

they just took everything we already had, then made it better.


he's not saying it can't get better, simply that they won't have to reinvent the entire wheel to get the best possible result.

HOWEVER, because they didn't reinvent the entire thing, you can't expect everything to be massively different this time around.


honestly, these graphics are fine for me.

the more things improve, the less able i am to enjoy games more than a year old.


also, if we get any closer to photorealism then its going to get pretty creepy.
User avatar #125 - fgtometer (10/19/2013) [-]
Eh, isn't hyperthreading still badly optimised for? Or is that strictly on the hardware side?
User avatar #116 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Actually he said "there will be at most moderate improvements as they optimize games for the system, but there will be no massive leaps in this generation."

He has no fucking idea if there will be major leaps in the software. I'm sure he predicted the changes in this generations software.

Come on man, read everything.
#120 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you're the one not reading.

last generation they completely changed the way the consoles (and by extension, graphical programming) worked.

in order to make games for it they have to relearn it from scratch.

its fucking obvious that they would suck at first (but still be better than anything we had seen before, because it was a much better mothod) then quickly get better and better as they worked out how much they could push the new system.


this time they DIDN'T change the way you have to do everything, so you don't have to relearn everything from scratch.

there WILL be improvements, but most likely not massive leaps.


if they (the programmers) work out a brand new incredible way of doing things five years from now, then they probably won't be able to use it on these consoles, because they were built for the old (current) method.


its not a particularly difficult train of thought, come on.
User avatar #122 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
>probably won't be able to use it on these consoles. Consoles are practically computers. Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. So in other words it can change greatly and you have no fucking idea.

Stop arguing hypotheticals. I am not saying something is going to change, but you idiot are sure that something won't. If you can see the future, or know more about the console's than we do, can you tell me who is going to win the World Cup?
#132 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
" Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. "

"change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"work as long as the processor can handle it."

"as long as the processor can handle it."

"processor"

PROCESSOR


now do you finally see the fucking point?


A console is not like a PC, because you cannot upgrade a Consoles hardware whenever you feel like it.

which was my (and the other guy's) entire fucking point from the very beginning.

You don't need to be a mind reader to make basic predictions like "the programmers cannot program games that require more (of anything) than the hardware can provide"

you just need basic common sense.
User avatar #134 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The guy I responded to never made that point. he just said there are going to be no major changes in software, ever. Please read what he said, because I am arguing with you for no reason.
#136 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"There probably won't be as large of an improvement this time. Last gen they had to learn how to work with multiple cores and learn a new architecture. This time around they don't have to do either of those things."

actually, that's exactly what he said.
User avatar #137 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
"If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on the hardware side, not the programming side. In which case it would have any effect on console gaming until the generation after this coming generation."

Actually that is what he said. He has no idea where "breakthroughs" are going to come. That's why they are "breakthroughs." Try reading a few comments in advance you dense motherfucker.
#143 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Why are you being such a dick? All I said was that a software breakthrough wasn't as likely as a hardware breakthrough.
#142 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
what?

still missing the point....

he never said there would or wouldn't be a breakthrough, merely that if there IS one, then it won't effect Console gaming.

if there is NO breakthrough, then he is right, because nothing (huge) changes

If there IS a breakthrough then good for PC gamers, but console gaming won't change until the PS5, (next-next-gen)because the PS4's will still have all the the pre-breakthrough hardware.

unless you expect Sony and Microsoft to send guys around to your house to take apart your console and upgrade the hardware every time someone has a new idea?



honestly, it sounds like you are just spouting "lol it could happen, you don't know the future" without actually thinking about anything.
User avatar #144 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The hardware could already be good enough to handle a new breakthrough depending on what the breakthrough is. Once again you have no rucking idea. All you do is spit our hypotheticals.
#147 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you could magically upgrade hardware to become what the hardware breakthrough is.
#146 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"handle a new breakthrough"

what the fuck?

the hardware wouldn't "handle" the breakthrough, it would BE the breakthrough.

do you actually know the difference between hardware and software?

hardware is the machine, software is the program. they didn't change how the machinery works this time, this just make it bigger, faster and more powerful.

if they completely changed how the hardware processes things instead of making it so things in exactly the same way but faster and with more resources, then neither games company would ever have stopped bragging about it.
User avatar #150 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
There is not use arguing with you. We will see in 7 years how to original games that come on Xbox 1 and PS4 look compared to the new ones. I willing to bet there will be a pretty big difference.
#152 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Yea, you are right, there is no point arguing with you when you have no idea what you are talking about. There probably will be a noticeable difference, but nothing as big as the leaps from this generation.
#155 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
huh, actually, picture an artist drawing portraits of people.

at first he was drawing with a stick of charcoal, (ps2) then he found a paintbrush, and everyone was like "wow, look, it has colour and everything" (ps3, early) then as time wore on, he actually learned how to use a paintbrush properly, and everything looked clearer and sharper (ps3 late)

the he bought himself a set of paintbrushes and a new pallet. (ps4)

he's going to keep practising, keep getting better, but he's still basically using the same tools, even if these ones a bigger and more expensive, its still basically the same technique, right?
#151 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"there is no use arguing with you"

that's internet shorthand for "oh shit, i just realized that I was wrong" right?

anyway, yeah, there will be a big diffrence, if only by virtue of the programmers having gained more practice.

but it likely won't be as big a diffrence as the start/end of the Ps4/360 era.
#43 - But that is the problem, they all know what they are doing fro…  [+] (21 new replies) 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics 0
User avatar #44 - motherfuckingkenji (10/19/2013) [-]
Until some random fucker in the industry has a breakthrough that CHANGES THE FUTURE OF GAMING FOREVER.
#45 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on the hardware side, not the programming side. In which case it would have any effect on console gaming until the generation after this coming generation.
User avatar #97 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Guys we invented all we can. All you scientists and engineers cans stop. Ganidorf clearly knows we have reached our potential as a species.

If people were as stupid as you, we still wouldn't have automobiles because, "we already figured everything out with horses."
#115 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you can't improve the software past what the hardware hand handle.

they didn't make massive changes to the hardware this time.

they just took everything we already had, then made it better.


he's not saying it can't get better, simply that they won't have to reinvent the entire wheel to get the best possible result.

HOWEVER, because they didn't reinvent the entire thing, you can't expect everything to be massively different this time around.


honestly, these graphics are fine for me.

the more things improve, the less able i am to enjoy games more than a year old.


also, if we get any closer to photorealism then its going to get pretty creepy.
User avatar #125 - fgtometer (10/19/2013) [-]
Eh, isn't hyperthreading still badly optimised for? Or is that strictly on the hardware side?
User avatar #116 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Actually he said "there will be at most moderate improvements as they optimize games for the system, but there will be no massive leaps in this generation."

He has no fucking idea if there will be major leaps in the software. I'm sure he predicted the changes in this generations software.

Come on man, read everything.
#120 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you're the one not reading.

last generation they completely changed the way the consoles (and by extension, graphical programming) worked.

in order to make games for it they have to relearn it from scratch.

its fucking obvious that they would suck at first (but still be better than anything we had seen before, because it was a much better mothod) then quickly get better and better as they worked out how much they could push the new system.


this time they DIDN'T change the way you have to do everything, so you don't have to relearn everything from scratch.

there WILL be improvements, but most likely not massive leaps.


if they (the programmers) work out a brand new incredible way of doing things five years from now, then they probably won't be able to use it on these consoles, because they were built for the old (current) method.


its not a particularly difficult train of thought, come on.
User avatar #122 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
>probably won't be able to use it on these consoles. Consoles are practically computers. Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. So in other words it can change greatly and you have no fucking idea.

Stop arguing hypotheticals. I am not saying something is going to change, but you idiot are sure that something won't. If you can see the future, or know more about the console's than we do, can you tell me who is going to win the World Cup?
#132 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
" Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. "

"change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"work as long as the processor can handle it."

"as long as the processor can handle it."

"processor"

PROCESSOR


now do you finally see the fucking point?


A console is not like a PC, because you cannot upgrade a Consoles hardware whenever you feel like it.

which was my (and the other guy's) entire fucking point from the very beginning.

You don't need to be a mind reader to make basic predictions like "the programmers cannot program games that require more (of anything) than the hardware can provide"

you just need basic common sense.
User avatar #134 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The guy I responded to never made that point. he just said there are going to be no major changes in software, ever. Please read what he said, because I am arguing with you for no reason.
#136 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"There probably won't be as large of an improvement this time. Last gen they had to learn how to work with multiple cores and learn a new architecture. This time around they don't have to do either of those things."

actually, that's exactly what he said.
User avatar #137 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
"If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on the hardware side, not the programming side. In which case it would have any effect on console gaming until the generation after this coming generation."

Actually that is what he said. He has no idea where "breakthroughs" are going to come. That's why they are "breakthroughs." Try reading a few comments in advance you dense motherfucker.
#143 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Why are you being such a dick? All I said was that a software breakthrough wasn't as likely as a hardware breakthrough.
#142 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
what?

still missing the point....

he never said there would or wouldn't be a breakthrough, merely that if there IS one, then it won't effect Console gaming.

if there is NO breakthrough, then he is right, because nothing (huge) changes

If there IS a breakthrough then good for PC gamers, but console gaming won't change until the PS5, (next-next-gen)because the PS4's will still have all the the pre-breakthrough hardware.

unless you expect Sony and Microsoft to send guys around to your house to take apart your console and upgrade the hardware every time someone has a new idea?



honestly, it sounds like you are just spouting "lol it could happen, you don't know the future" without actually thinking about anything.
User avatar #144 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The hardware could already be good enough to handle a new breakthrough depending on what the breakthrough is. Once again you have no rucking idea. All you do is spit our hypotheticals.
#147 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you could magically upgrade hardware to become what the hardware breakthrough is.
#146 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"handle a new breakthrough"

what the fuck?

the hardware wouldn't "handle" the breakthrough, it would BE the breakthrough.

do you actually know the difference between hardware and software?

hardware is the machine, software is the program. they didn't change how the machinery works this time, this just make it bigger, faster and more powerful.

if they completely changed how the hardware processes things instead of making it so things in exactly the same way but faster and with more resources, then neither games company would ever have stopped bragging about it.
User avatar #150 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
There is not use arguing with you. We will see in 7 years how to original games that come on Xbox 1 and PS4 look compared to the new ones. I willing to bet there will be a pretty big difference.
#152 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Yea, you are right, there is no point arguing with you when you have no idea what you are talking about. There probably will be a noticeable difference, but nothing as big as the leaps from this generation.
#155 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
huh, actually, picture an artist drawing portraits of people.

at first he was drawing with a stick of charcoal, (ps2) then he found a paintbrush, and everyone was like "wow, look, it has colour and everything" (ps3, early) then as time wore on, he actually learned how to use a paintbrush properly, and everything looked clearer and sharper (ps3 late)

the he bought himself a set of paintbrushes and a new pallet. (ps4)

he's going to keep practising, keep getting better, but he's still basically using the same tools, even if these ones a bigger and more expensive, its still basically the same technique, right?
#151 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"there is no use arguing with you"

that's internet shorthand for "oh shit, i just realized that I was wrong" right?

anyway, yeah, there will be a big diffrence, if only by virtue of the programmers having gained more practice.

but it likely won't be as big a diffrence as the start/end of the Ps4/360 era.
#40 - There probably won't be as large of an improvement this time. …  [+] (23 new replies) 10/19/2013 on The Evolution of Graphics 0
User avatar #42 - motherfuckingkenji (10/19/2013) [-]
Das wut ah'm sayin', brah; they already got everything figured out, now all they need to do is work with what they got. You know, do what they did before and figure out all the creative ways to cram in more of dem beautiful pixels.
#43 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
But that is the problem, they all know what they are doing from the start this time. There will be at most moderate improvements as they optimize games for the system, but there will be no massive leaps this generation.
User avatar #44 - motherfuckingkenji (10/19/2013) [-]
Until some random fucker in the industry has a breakthrough that CHANGES THE FUTURE OF GAMING FOREVER.
#45 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on the hardware side, not the programming side. In which case it would have any effect on console gaming until the generation after this coming generation.
User avatar #97 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Guys we invented all we can. All you scientists and engineers cans stop. Ganidorf clearly knows we have reached our potential as a species.

If people were as stupid as you, we still wouldn't have automobiles because, "we already figured everything out with horses."
#115 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you can't improve the software past what the hardware hand handle.

they didn't make massive changes to the hardware this time.

they just took everything we already had, then made it better.


he's not saying it can't get better, simply that they won't have to reinvent the entire wheel to get the best possible result.

HOWEVER, because they didn't reinvent the entire thing, you can't expect everything to be massively different this time around.


honestly, these graphics are fine for me.

the more things improve, the less able i am to enjoy games more than a year old.


also, if we get any closer to photorealism then its going to get pretty creepy.
User avatar #125 - fgtometer (10/19/2013) [-]
Eh, isn't hyperthreading still badly optimised for? Or is that strictly on the hardware side?
User avatar #116 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
Actually he said "there will be at most moderate improvements as they optimize games for the system, but there will be no massive leaps in this generation."

He has no fucking idea if there will be major leaps in the software. I'm sure he predicted the changes in this generations software.

Come on man, read everything.
#120 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
you're the one not reading.

last generation they completely changed the way the consoles (and by extension, graphical programming) worked.

in order to make games for it they have to relearn it from scratch.

its fucking obvious that they would suck at first (but still be better than anything we had seen before, because it was a much better mothod) then quickly get better and better as they worked out how much they could push the new system.


this time they DIDN'T change the way you have to do everything, so you don't have to relearn everything from scratch.

there WILL be improvements, but most likely not massive leaps.


if they (the programmers) work out a brand new incredible way of doing things five years from now, then they probably won't be able to use it on these consoles, because they were built for the old (current) method.


its not a particularly difficult train of thought, come on.
User avatar #122 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
>probably won't be able to use it on these consoles. Consoles are practically computers. Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. So in other words it can change greatly and you have no fucking idea.

Stop arguing hypotheticals. I am not saying something is going to change, but you idiot are sure that something won't. If you can see the future, or know more about the console's than we do, can you tell me who is going to win the World Cup?
#132 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
" Anything they change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it. "

"change will be able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"able to work as long as the processor can handle it."

"work as long as the processor can handle it."

"as long as the processor can handle it."

"processor"

PROCESSOR


now do you finally see the fucking point?


A console is not like a PC, because you cannot upgrade a Consoles hardware whenever you feel like it.

which was my (and the other guy's) entire fucking point from the very beginning.

You don't need to be a mind reader to make basic predictions like "the programmers cannot program games that require more (of anything) than the hardware can provide"

you just need basic common sense.
User avatar #134 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The guy I responded to never made that point. he just said there are going to be no major changes in software, ever. Please read what he said, because I am arguing with you for no reason.
#136 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"There probably won't be as large of an improvement this time. Last gen they had to learn how to work with multiple cores and learn a new architecture. This time around they don't have to do either of those things."

actually, that's exactly what he said.
User avatar #137 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
"If such a breakthrough were to happen it would probably be on the hardware side, not the programming side. In which case it would have any effect on console gaming until the generation after this coming generation."

Actually that is what he said. He has no idea where "breakthroughs" are going to come. That's why they are "breakthroughs." Try reading a few comments in advance you dense motherfucker.
#143 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Why are you being such a dick? All I said was that a software breakthrough wasn't as likely as a hardware breakthrough.
#142 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
what?

still missing the point....

he never said there would or wouldn't be a breakthrough, merely that if there IS one, then it won't effect Console gaming.

if there is NO breakthrough, then he is right, because nothing (huge) changes

If there IS a breakthrough then good for PC gamers, but console gaming won't change until the PS5, (next-next-gen)because the PS4's will still have all the the pre-breakthrough hardware.

unless you expect Sony and Microsoft to send guys around to your house to take apart your console and upgrade the hardware every time someone has a new idea?



honestly, it sounds like you are just spouting "lol it could happen, you don't know the future" without actually thinking about anything.
User avatar #144 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
The hardware could already be good enough to handle a new breakthrough depending on what the breakthrough is. Once again you have no rucking idea. All you do is spit our hypotheticals.
#147 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that you could magically upgrade hardware to become what the hardware breakthrough is.
#146 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"handle a new breakthrough"

what the fuck?

the hardware wouldn't "handle" the breakthrough, it would BE the breakthrough.

do you actually know the difference between hardware and software?

hardware is the machine, software is the program. they didn't change how the machinery works this time, this just make it bigger, faster and more powerful.

if they completely changed how the hardware processes things instead of making it so things in exactly the same way but faster and with more resources, then neither games company would ever have stopped bragging about it.
User avatar #150 - damping (10/19/2013) [-]
There is not use arguing with you. We will see in 7 years how to original games that come on Xbox 1 and PS4 look compared to the new ones. I willing to bet there will be a pretty big difference.
#152 - ganidorf (10/19/2013) [-]
Yea, you are right, there is no point arguing with you when you have no idea what you are talking about. There probably will be a noticeable difference, but nothing as big as the leaps from this generation.
#155 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
huh, actually, picture an artist drawing portraits of people.

at first he was drawing with a stick of charcoal, (ps2) then he found a paintbrush, and everyone was like "wow, look, it has colour and everything" (ps3, early) then as time wore on, he actually learned how to use a paintbrush properly, and everything looked clearer and sharper (ps3 late)

the he bought himself a set of paintbrushes and a new pallet. (ps4)

he's going to keep practising, keep getting better, but he's still basically using the same tools, even if these ones a bigger and more expensive, its still basically the same technique, right?
#151 - iamnuff (10/19/2013) [-]
"there is no use arguing with you"

that's internet shorthand for "oh shit, i just realized that I was wrong" right?

anyway, yeah, there will be a big diffrence, if only by virtue of the programmers having gained more practice.

but it likely won't be as big a diffrence as the start/end of the Ps4/360 era.
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