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#230 - anon (02/10/2016) [-]
I think it's called "nagging".
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#11 - creepydudewatching (02/08/2016) [-]
I'd thumb your comment the fuck up if I wasn't votebanned
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#72 - dazartimm (02/08/2016) [-]
I'm not saying the driver didn't go anything wrong, but you should ALWAYS look before you change lanes, whether you are in a car or on a bike. It's common sense, and that tiny bit of forethought could have stopped this from happening.
#420 - Yeah, they get 150€/month and the government pays the states… 02/06/2016 on Sweden Is Done 0
#414 - Wait, so you're German (that's what I take from you knowing th…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/05/2016 on Sweden Is Done 0
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#419 - jouten (02/06/2016) [-]
>Obviously they recieve less at the start
>Now seeing as housing and feeding 100 people in one place is hell of a lot cheaper per person than doing it more or less individually this is insane.

Yeah according to your source a refugee receive 150€ a month in the beginning. And that is to cover food and clothing. They don't even receive the money directly they receive it in the form of non-cash benefits so they usually receive a lot less than that.

And I'd rather be willing to pay money for people who flee from war and terror than for people who are 40+ and have never worked a day in their life.
#420 - fragman (02/06/2016) [-]
Yeah, they get 150€/month and the government pays the states 670€/month so you see that I have some trouble wrapping my head around how in hell they are not way more expensive to the working German citizen. Because those 150 don't account for food or clothing, read the article again. The 143 (to be more accurate this time) are what they get when they have basic necessities provided for them additionally (food, housing, electricity, possibly clothes etc.).
If they move into more long-term living situations and have to handle food, clothing, electricity etc. on their own, they get an additional 216€. That gives us a grand total of 359€ a month for one person. Plus the housing which is still provided additionally (like in the case of Hartz IV).

As for fleeing war and terror, I still don't see how the hell a) people running away from problems helps solve a self-created issue and b) how insanely prevalent war and terror are in Turkey, Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Serbia... etc because they have to use some combination of those as transfer countries in order to even reach Germany.

Additionally, your last sentence indicates that you have a similar lack of in-group preference as German or Swedish government. Because if you go on saying long-term unemployed Germans are just lazy while the unemployed immigrants that let their country go to shit over the last few decades are poor and deserve more attention from your country, that is some level of mental gymnastics that I will never be able to comprehend.
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#246 - Way to miss my point m8. The fact of the matter is that th… 02/05/2016 on Sweden Is Done -7
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#401 - jouten (02/05/2016) [-]
I'd like some sources on the money of refuges getting more than Hartz IV receivers (it's not welfare but unemployement benefits. And that for long term uneployed. Short term unemployed get different benefits)

Hartz IV is pretty high. It's 400€ a month. And you get that for doing absolutely nothing at all as single person. If you have a family you get double of that and additionally like 250€ per child. In comparison minimum wage in germany is 8,50€ an hour. You have to work more than 47 hours a month to make what a single living "Hartzer" gets for free. People constantly complain about Hartz IV being way too high and people who live off of it are looked down on and considered Parasites.
#414 - fragman (02/05/2016) [-]
Wait, so you're German (that's what I take from you knowing the term Hartzer)? Then you should know that in 2003 when Hartz IV was introduced, it merged the unemployment benefits for long-term unemployed with welfare into one (ALG II). So yes, it is pretty much welfare.

And yes, 400€ is pretty high (although what really makes it bad is doubling it for 2-person households since it doesn't cost twice as much to run a 2-person household than it does living alone, but that's beside the point here). Which is why I sort of doubt the sources stating that refugees actually get more, as already mentioned (although not really with enough emphasis as I read it again) above.

Comparing that to the most recent source I found[1] on how much a refugee gets, this isn't far off: 392 € after residing in Germany for 15 months (which is a point that will soon be reached by the first batch). Obviously they recieve less at the start, and this source looks more plausible to me, therefore I'm gonna address the other point I made:
The federal government pays the states 670€ per month per refugee[2].
Now seeing as housing and feeding 100 people in one place is hell of a lot cheaper per person than doing it more or less individually this is insane.
I do see that Hartzers are considered parasites. But the logic behind spending >50% more per person on foreign parasites (because newsflash: they don't do more than Hartzers, unless you consider groping women on new year's eve "doing something" in that context) than on domestic ones fucking eludes me.

Sources as referenced in the text (in German):
[1] www.merkur.de/politik/fluechtlinge-was-bekommen-sie-in-deutschland-faktencheck-5565086.html
[2] www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146832077/Bund-zahlt-monatlich-670-Euro-Pauschale-pro-Fluechtling.html
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#419 - jouten (02/06/2016) [-]
>Obviously they recieve less at the start
>Now seeing as housing and feeding 100 people in one place is hell of a lot cheaper per person than doing it more or less individually this is insane.

Yeah according to your source a refugee receive 150€ a month in the beginning. And that is to cover food and clothing. They don't even receive the money directly they receive it in the form of non-cash benefits so they usually receive a lot less than that.

And I'd rather be willing to pay money for people who flee from war and terror than for people who are 40+ and have never worked a day in their life.
#420 - fragman (02/06/2016) [-]
Yeah, they get 150€/month and the government pays the states 670€/month so you see that I have some trouble wrapping my head around how in hell they are not way more expensive to the working German citizen. Because those 150 don't account for food or clothing, read the article again. The 143 (to be more accurate this time) are what they get when they have basic necessities provided for them additionally (food, housing, electricity, possibly clothes etc.).
If they move into more long-term living situations and have to handle food, clothing, electricity etc. on their own, they get an additional 216€. That gives us a grand total of 359€ a month for one person. Plus the housing which is still provided additionally (like in the case of Hartz IV).

As for fleeing war and terror, I still don't see how the hell a) people running away from problems helps solve a self-created issue and b) how insanely prevalent war and terror are in Turkey, Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Serbia... etc because they have to use some combination of those as transfer countries in order to even reach Germany.

Additionally, your last sentence indicates that you have a similar lack of in-group preference as German or Swedish government. Because if you go on saying long-term unemployed Germans are just lazy while the unemployed immigrants that let their country go to shit over the last few decades are poor and deserve more attention from your country, that is some level of mental gymnastics that I will never be able to comprehend.
#194 - halonachos (02/05/2016) [-]
No, he was kicked out of a hospital because he was treated and then sent out. Looking at other articles it says that Sweden is having a ton of issues with the homeless and shelter during the winter just like Iowa did when a 69 year old homeless vet froze to death as well.

Another article says the guy's name is Sture, but nothing says he was kicked out of anywhere to make room for migrants because he was kicked out of a hospital, tried to sleep in a public toilet, and got kicked out of that before freezing to death at a bus stop. Nothing about him trying to go to an actual shelter.
#246 - fragman (02/05/2016) [-]
Way to miss my point m8.
The fact of the matter is that the Swedish government is spending insane amounts of money in order to accomodate useless neophytes while letting their own people facing hardship die.
This is fucking disgusting and while I don't agree with clickbait-providers creating a false story, them lying about a case doesn't mean the underlying issue doesn't exist. It also doesn't mean the underlying issue does exist, but I've provided alternative information to show that it does. If a government lets one of it's own citizens die by means that would be completely preventable very easily while distributing it's citizens money to invaders, you simply have a fucking problem.