I think you are overestimating North Korea's value to China and underestimating China's desire to be Asia's top superpower. I think what would most likely happen if North Korea were to start a war with South Korea/US/Japan is that China would step in before anyone else can act and take control of North Korea. This may be by directly absorbing it into Chinese territory or by installing a puppet government. They may prefer a communist ally on their border, but I don't think they would go to war to keep a border country from allying with the US. China and the US may not be on the best of terms but they aren't on bad terms and would most likely work out a way of dealing with North Korea without directly going to war with each other.

As far as China's economy taking a big hit if they went to war with the US, this is really a two-fold situation. First off, they don't have near the economic power of the US and wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for as long as the US before going completely bankrupt. Second, their economy currently gets a huge boost from American buyers and going to war with the US would cut off a large enough income stream to hurt their efforts and that is without calculating the lost income from American allies that could potentially halt trade with China. Obviously, we don't know what would actually happen until it happens, but it seems to me that going to war for North Korea would end up doing a tremendous amount of damage to China, even if they were to win the war. The economy toll alone could take decades to repair. I also believe that China, as an Asian superpower, would want to handle an situation caused by North Korea on their own to show that they can and would likely not allow North Korea to invade South Korea simply to keep the US and Europe from sending more troops into Asia. China doesn't particularly want the US in Asia and I think they would quickly shut down any aggressive behavior by North Korea as to keep America out of the equation.

That's like, a decent sized can of Monster, Rockstar, etc sorry, I'm really tired and need caffeine right now, it's all I can think about.

Wasn't worded right, I meant more powerful than they were 1950 compared to now in respect to the us. The us is still ahead, but the gap is much smaller now and getting smaller every year.

Anyways, as I have said before. Even if china does not like the new leaders erratic behaviour, they still prefer it to than rather have a us ally as a neighbour. And without china, North Korea wouln't last a year. The fact that it is still there is proof that china is very much supporting North Korea.

Most of those executed were family members or lower ranking military actually, not from the high military command. If the generals feel that the leader does something too out of line, like launching a nuke or starting a war, they would remove him. North Korean elite are not stupid and have access to internet unlike the rest of the country, so they know how the situation is.

It's true however that asia is changing and becoming more and more democratic. A comminist dictator china will always support North Korea, but I doubt a democratic one would. And it will be near impossible for china to keep having a dictatorship when their people become more educated and rich. So there is still hope that North Korea might be gone.

You are viewing this as if China has no relationship with South Korea when in fact the two have been actively working on forming a friendly relationship, and trade between the two continues to grow. China is actively working with both Korean factions as well as the US to keep the peace. Additionally, China's developing economy would take a massive hit if it were to go to war with the US. For a while now, China has been working at becoming an Asia superpower, and they have had quite a bit of success at it, but protecting North Korea would put that position at risk. I personally think they are moving towards a position on North Korea similar to what India has, where they maintain a friendly relationship and trade but would be unlikely to support North Korea in an instance where North Korea started a war. However, I think that if the US or South Korea were to invade North Korea, unprovoked, China would absolutely step in but if North Korea was the aggressor, they would offer very limited to no military support but would probably try to profit off of weapon sales to the warring country.

I think you are overestimating North Korea's value to China and underestimating China's desire to be Asia's top superpower. I think what would most likely happen if North Korea were to start a war with South Korea/US/Japan is that China would step in before anyone else can act and take control of North Korea. This may be by directly absorbing it into Chinese territory or by installing a puppet government. They may prefer a communist ally on their border, but I don't think they would go to war to keep a border country from allying with the US. China and the US may not be on the best of terms but they aren't on bad terms and would most likely work out a way of dealing with North Korea without directly going to war with each other.

As far as China's economy taking a big hit if they went to war with the US, this is really a two-fold situation. First off, they don't have near the economic power of the US and wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for as long as the US before going completely bankrupt. Second, their economy currently gets a huge boost from American buyers and going to war with the US would cut off a large enough income stream to hurt their efforts and that is without calculating the lost income from American allies that could potentially halt trade with China. Obviously, we don't know what would actually happen until it happens, but it seems to me that going to war for North Korea would end up doing a tremendous amount of damage to China, even if they were to win the war. The economy toll alone could take decades to repair. I also believe that China, as an Asian superpower, would want to handle an situation caused by North Korea on their own to show that they can and would likely not allow North Korea to invade South Korea simply to keep the US and Europe from sending more troops into Asia. China doesn't particularly want the US in Asia and I think they would quickly shut down any aggressive behavior by North Korea as to keep America out of the equation.

It's true that they have changed, but their stance on korea has been largely the same. Also, I think they will be even more inclined to intervene now seeins as they have nukes of their own and a more powerful military compared to the Us.

But North Korea will never cross that line, because if the leader tries to he will be shut down by it's powerful military. The real power in North Korea is in the hands of the military.

The Chinese military isn't necessarily more powerful than the US. They have larger numbers but they don't have the same level of equipment and all around military technology. Either way, neither the US nor China would want to fight each other because it would get extremely messy. Obviously, there is no saying what would actually happen if North Korea were to start an open war with South Korea, but it is becoming more and more likely that China won't step in to save North Korea because it is becoming less and less worth it for them anymore. North Korea has been acting worse and worse lately and China is becoming more and more willing to work with the rest of the world to find a solution rather than stick up for their supposed ally. Things are changing in Asia and it is possible that in the next few decades North Korea will find itself completely isolated, even from China.

Additionally, North Korea's military is directly controlled by the leader and he has proved this multiple times by executing high ranking officials of both the government and the military. North Korea is a dictatorship and by definition a dictatorship is undemocratic, absolute rule. However, it is always possibly for a coup to occur in which a high ranking military officer convinces a large enough portion of the military to rebel against the leader, but usually things like this end in North Korea with a string of executions as a demonstration of the leader's power and authority.

Wasn't worded right, I meant more powerful than they were 1950 compared to now in respect to the us. The us is still ahead, but the gap is much smaller now and getting smaller every year.

Anyways, as I have said before. Even if china does not like the new leaders erratic behaviour, they still prefer it to than rather have a us ally as a neighbour. And without china, North Korea wouln't last a year. The fact that it is still there is proof that china is very much supporting North Korea.

Most of those executed were family members or lower ranking military actually, not from the high military command. If the generals feel that the leader does something too out of line, like launching a nuke or starting a war, they would remove him. North Korean elite are not stupid and have access to internet unlike the rest of the country, so they know how the situation is.

It's true however that asia is changing and becoming more and more democratic. A comminist dictator china will always support North Korea, but I doubt a democratic one would. And it will be near impossible for china to keep having a dictatorship when their people become more educated and rich. So there is still hope that North Korea might be gone.

You are viewing this as if China has no relationship with South Korea when in fact the two have been actively working on forming a friendly relationship, and trade between the two continues to grow. China is actively working with both Korean factions as well as the US to keep the peace. Additionally, China's developing economy would take a massive hit if it were to go to war with the US. For a while now, China has been working at becoming an Asia superpower, and they have had quite a bit of success at it, but protecting North Korea would put that position at risk. I personally think they are moving towards a position on North Korea similar to what India has, where they maintain a friendly relationship and trade but would be unlikely to support North Korea in an instance where North Korea started a war. However, I think that if the US or South Korea were to invade North Korea, unprovoked, China would absolutely step in but if North Korea was the aggressor, they would offer very limited to no military support but would probably try to profit off of weapon sales to the warring country.

I think you are overestimating North Korea's value to China and underestimating China's desire to be Asia's top superpower. I think what would most likely happen if North Korea were to start a war with South Korea/US/Japan is that China would step in before anyone else can act and take control of North Korea. This may be by directly absorbing it into Chinese territory or by installing a puppet government. They may prefer a communist ally on their border, but I don't think they would go to war to keep a border country from allying with the US. China and the US may not be on the best of terms but they aren't on bad terms and would most likely work out a way of dealing with North Korea without directly going to war with each other.

As far as China's economy taking a big hit if they went to war with the US, this is really a two-fold situation. First off, they don't have near the economic power of the US and wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for as long as the US before going completely bankrupt. Second, their economy currently gets a huge boost from American buyers and going to war with the US would cut off a large enough income stream to hurt their efforts and that is without calculating the lost income from American allies that could potentially halt trade with China. Obviously, we don't know what would actually happen until it happens, but it seems to me that going to war for North Korea would end up doing a tremendous amount of damage to China, even if they were to win the war. The economy toll alone could take decades to repair. I also believe that China, as an Asian superpower, would want to handle an situation caused by North Korea on their own to show that they can and would likely not allow North Korea to invade South Korea simply to keep the US and Europe from sending more troops into Asia. China doesn't particularly want the US in Asia and I think they would quickly shut down any aggressive behavior by North Korea as to keep America out of the equation.

North Korea will probably not start a nuclear war. They are crazy, but not that crazy. They know were the line goes. If they did use a nuke, or other kinds of provocations, against South Korea, and South Korea responded with war, they would probably still stand with North Korea. They proved that in the last war, they will even send troops if it means keeping North Korea alive. A united enemy korea is a nightmare for them, and they would rather have a crazy korea than one as an enemy.

Not exactly. The leader does pull some crazy stunts, but the real power is in the countrys military. If he steps to far out the line they will not hesitate to remove him.

But the thing is, China getting involved in the last war didn't correlate to China getting fucked up. If N. Korea did anything again, if China knows what's good for it they would stay the fuck out of it for the most part. They might still supply some equipment on the down low but I don't think they'd risk making themselves a target of NATO.

They stood up to nato last time, and were at that time much weaker than they are now compared to nato. Also, Us even had nukes while China didn't at that time, but the still choose to intervene. Now that they have nukes of their own they will probably be more inclined to get involved, as they now they are powerful enough.

Absolutely, but there is a line that, if crossed, China will forget North Korea even exists. China has also changed significantly from the 1950s and probably shouldn't be considered communist anymore, although North Korea was never actually communist (other than their leadership claiming they are communist) so I don't know how much that might affect things if open fighting were to resume on the peninsula.

It's true that they have changed, but their stance on korea has been largely the same. Also, I think they will be even more inclined to intervene now seeins as they have nukes of their own and a more powerful military compared to the Us.

But North Korea will never cross that line, because if the leader tries to he will be shut down by it's powerful military. The real power in North Korea is in the hands of the military.

The Chinese military isn't necessarily more powerful than the US. They have larger numbers but they don't have the same level of equipment and all around military technology. Either way, neither the US nor China would want to fight each other because it would get extremely messy. Obviously, there is no saying what would actually happen if North Korea were to start an open war with South Korea, but it is becoming more and more likely that China won't step in to save North Korea because it is becoming less and less worth it for them anymore. North Korea has been acting worse and worse lately and China is becoming more and more willing to work with the rest of the world to find a solution rather than stick up for their supposed ally. Things are changing in Asia and it is possible that in the next few decades North Korea will find itself completely isolated, even from China.

Additionally, North Korea's military is directly controlled by the leader and he has proved this multiple times by executing high ranking officials of both the government and the military. North Korea is a dictatorship and by definition a dictatorship is undemocratic, absolute rule. However, it is always possibly for a coup to occur in which a high ranking military officer convinces a large enough portion of the military to rebel against the leader, but usually things like this end in North Korea with a string of executions as a demonstration of the leader's power and authority.

Wasn't worded right, I meant more powerful than they were 1950 compared to now in respect to the us. The us is still ahead, but the gap is much smaller now and getting smaller every year.

Anyways, as I have said before. Even if china does not like the new leaders erratic behaviour, they still prefer it to than rather have a us ally as a neighbour. And without china, North Korea wouln't last a year. The fact that it is still there is proof that china is very much supporting North Korea.

Most of those executed were family members or lower ranking military actually, not from the high military command. If the generals feel that the leader does something too out of line, like launching a nuke or starting a war, they would remove him. North Korean elite are not stupid and have access to internet unlike the rest of the country, so they know how the situation is.

It's true however that asia is changing and becoming more and more democratic. A comminist dictator china will always support North Korea, but I doubt a democratic one would. And it will be near impossible for china to keep having a dictatorship when their people become more educated and rich. So there is still hope that North Korea might be gone.

You are viewing this as if China has no relationship with South Korea when in fact the two have been actively working on forming a friendly relationship, and trade between the two continues to grow. China is actively working with both Korean factions as well as the US to keep the peace. Additionally, China's developing economy would take a massive hit if it were to go to war with the US. For a while now, China has been working at becoming an Asia superpower, and they have had quite a bit of success at it, but protecting North Korea would put that position at risk. I personally think they are moving towards a position on North Korea similar to what India has, where they maintain a friendly relationship and trade but would be unlikely to support North Korea in an instance where North Korea started a war. However, I think that if the US or South Korea were to invade North Korea, unprovoked, China would absolutely step in but if North Korea was the aggressor, they would offer very limited to no military support but would probably try to profit off of weapon sales to the warring country.

I think you are overestimating North Korea's value to China and underestimating China's desire to be Asia's top superpower. I think what would most likely happen if North Korea were to start a war with South Korea/US/Japan is that China would step in before anyone else can act and take control of North Korea. This may be by directly absorbing it into Chinese territory or by installing a puppet government. They may prefer a communist ally on their border, but I don't think they would go to war to keep a border country from allying with the US. China and the US may not be on the best of terms but they aren't on bad terms and would most likely work out a way of dealing with North Korea without directly going to war with each other.

As far as China's economy taking a big hit if they went to war with the US, this is really a two-fold situation. First off, they don't have near the economic power of the US and wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for as long as the US before going completely bankrupt. Second, their economy currently gets a huge boost from American buyers and going to war with the US would cut off a large enough income stream to hurt their efforts and that is without calculating the lost income from American allies that could potentially halt trade with China. Obviously, we don't know what would actually happen until it happens, but it seems to me that going to war for North Korea would end up doing a tremendous amount of damage to China, even if they were to win the war. The economy toll alone could take decades to repair. I also believe that China, as an Asian superpower, would want to handle an situation caused by North Korea on their own to show that they can and would likely not allow North Korea to invade South Korea simply to keep the US and Europe from sending more troops into Asia. China doesn't particularly want the US in Asia and I think they would quickly shut down any aggressive behavior by North Korea as to keep America out of the equation.

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I've never seen anybody here spell it spelt

Well, everyone I know is in America, which is quiet a few, i've always learned/seen it spelt spelt

Where in America is this?

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I've never seen anybody here spell it spelt