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|#129 - It was like a downward spiral. It was kinda great in … [+] (2 new replies)||05/07/2014 on Much bounce||+1|
|#132 - Considering the fact that 70-80% of all German troops fell on … [+] (24 new replies)||05/07/2014 on sneaky american dad writing||+9|
#240 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
you know nothing Jon Snow. American industry won WW2. That's how Germany was doing so well, until every factory in America started pumping out killing machines for her friends.
#263 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
'until every factory in America started pumping out killing machines to sell'
#426 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
> to sell
> lend-lease act
#159 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
You do realize they were able to do that because the US supplied the shit out of them right?
#163 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
Even with US money and supplies like every other russian soldier had a rifle. I really don't think russians throwing sticks and stones could have overthrown the entire German army if it was just Germany vs Russia.
#170 - anonymous (05/07/2014) [-]
Yes and even then Russia was sustaining major losses when compared to the Germans, if Russia hadn't had those supplies and money, and Germany hadn't been fighting in the west as well i'm very skeptical Russia would've succeeded.
#174 - felixjarl (05/07/2014) [-]
But the soviet union could afford those loses! Before the war they had introduced general constriction as well as various forces of female warriors(although minor).
And the question here is perhaps not about forces, but climate.
The Russians were dressed for the climate, the Germans were not.(no winter camouflage as a example) They could perhaps not out gun the Nazis, but they sure as hell could outlast them in the winter.
#502 - sotalokki (05/07/2014) [-]
20 000 000 russians (civilians and soldiers) died during ww2, I don't think anyone in the world can call that "affordable losses" besides Stalin.
Pic: Russian Soldier in Finland.
#508 - felixjarl (05/07/2014) [-]
Considering it is Stalin we are talking about I doubt it.
But i got to say in my defence that the Russians had winter camouflage and enough of it to be actually considered a cloaked army. Or atleast half cloaked army.
Seems like you know more about that than me, care to tell me more?
#521 - sotalokki (05/07/2014) [-]
I have no doubt that some chosen units were given proper equipment but the majority had to survive with the most basic of equipment because of the lack of resources in Sovjetunion after Stalins "succesful" 5 year plans before the war.
I'm not sure I answered your question, could you be a bit more precise about what you would want to know and I'll answer as well as I can.
#180 - gerfox (05/07/2014) [-]
Its a valid point to add that the Germans had a lot of forces tied up elsewhere, which would've been used against the Russians if it was only them against one another. The Russians outmanned the Germans severely, and was butchered - but still won because they could just replace the dead.
Germany had among other things 400 000 soldiers stationed in Norway for the entirety of the war to the Norwegians from rising up. Those would've been good to have on the eastern front. Ultimately, also, the Germans made many grave errors on the east front. Some of them due to Hitler being a total imbecile at tactics and strategy, and trumping his generals.
#185 - felixjarl (05/07/2014) [-]
Keeping the Norwegians from rising up! HAH! that is hilarious. Being sent to Norway was considered a holiday by the German troops. Why? Because we hardly had any resistance movement. Mostly because the fled Norwegian government had spoken with clear words that they did not want to sabotage the Norwegians in fear of retributions.
Also the 400,000 soldiers you speak of were built up by non Germanic soldiers(which were of very poor quality) or either recruits or fatigued soldiers who were not supplied to fight a full scale war nor trained to do this.
Even though they got greater losses they were able to take the losses, unlike the Germans bear in mind.
Also good point about Hitler, he was worth 10 million soldiers for the Russians with all his blunders and faults.
#191 - gerfox (05/07/2014) [-]
No resistance movement? Now you're just trying to get me mad.
The heavy water sabotage at Rjukan, and Operation Mardonius being two famous operations. There are also several other examples. My grandfather was in the resistance, and he helped steal and smuggle out blueprints of a new bomb for the Luftwaffe.
Also, keep in mind that the invasion was just 35 years after our independence. Most our populace was still very nationalistic, I think that, given the chance - and also due to the strategic importance of Norway, had the Germans weakened their military presence here, or had the same presence as they did in for instance France, the Brits would've landed a small army to help us out, and thousands of volunteers would've flocked to their banners
If it was just considered a vacation, why didn't they send them somewhere like France, or Balkan - somewhere not cold and of strategic importance in case the allies landed.
The Russians weren't exactly trained to fight a full scale war either, were they?
#206 - felixjarl (05/07/2014) [-]
The maxmanus operations portrayed in the movie was one year apart from each one. He hardly did any other missions than the one shows.
And that great shit they did sink? Know how many persons died from that. One. That is right mate. With all that Hollywood in the scene only one person died from it. And it was not really a important ship to begin with.
To quote a Norwegian ''resistance'' veteran: ''Fighting? No that was dangerous''
And they did send troops of the same calibre to all occupied territory, it was just not Norway. The true soldiers were sent to the fronts.
And no the Germans were not prepared for it. Staling himself was not planing to attack Germany and did think that they had to wait to the next spring before either him or the Nazis were ready to launch an invasion, he was wrong of course. Bring in recent poltical extermination of the Soviet officer corps and you get bad army who only were able to stay because of sheer numbers.
But let me say on thing, i am not trying to piss on our heritage here. You have reason to eb proud of your grandfather, he did what so few of us did. Fight back.
All i am saying is that the propaganda we use about our resistance fighters is way blown over. We do have a thing to be proud of though. And that is our merchant navy, the third largest of that time and extremely valuable. As a British general did say: The merchant was worth a million men if not more.
#229 - gerfox (05/07/2014) [-]
I'm not saying I think the role of our resistance movement isn't exaggerated, but 400 000 soldiers to occupy, and stay on vacation in a country with perhaps a 3 million population at the time? Isn't that very excessive unless our resistance is pretty heavy? Perhaps I'm under emphasizing the strategic value of our fjords etcetera, but considering that the force the Germans had in occupied France was just a fraction of the amount of soldiers they had in Norway (and the French resistance has been extremely praised after WW2, even though the only time they showed their true eminence was the D-day).
#239 - felixjarl (05/07/2014) [-]
They were there not to prevent the us from attacking them.
They were there to stall the allied assault for long enough until more robust reinforcements could arrive. The reason for such a high number is part our geography(lots of mountains and big coastline) and part because allied counter intelligence had made Hitler believe that it was a target.
And although our fjords and terrain were important it was not really that which made it valuable, but instead the iron mines of Sweden which was crucial to German arms manufacturing.
And the French resistance is a example of where they did it right.
#249 - gerfox (05/07/2014) [-]
But the French resistance didn't really do that much until the D-day... Our resistance did exactly what was expected of us, and more. In addition, the French resistance also had more room to maneuver with less Jerries there to spoil it for them.
I'm a little confused by your first two paragraphs. But I think I got it!
I think you're wrong on this one, because I guess you are initially referring to the defense of France. This approach of having forces there not to deter the allies from attacking them, and supporting wasn't adopted until Gerd von Rundstedt became the leader of the defense of France as far as I know (Rommel at least preferred a more direct approach, and wanted the panzer divisions to be stationed closer to the beaches.. Anyway, it still doesn't explain why they had such a vast amount of troops in Norway. 100 000 would've been sufficient to hold our country for months alone, despite of our mountains and hard geography. 300 000 additional men stationed in Northern France could've been enough to perhaps throw the allies back into the sea, in spite of their lack of training (and if Hitler wasn't retarded of course).
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