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#21 - kanedam (05/29/2015) [-]
to be historically correct (i know something that will earn me red thumbs):
germans were killed almost to a degree one could called it a genocide in poland (better say the parts that were germany and now owned by poland after ww1) before ww2.
hitler demanded a few times this to be stopped.
took over half of poland and offered a peace treaty 12 times (even declaring he would march out of poland and back into germany, only keeping the territory that was german before ww1)
britain response: "this war will end only when germany is in ruins"
#130 - gerfox (06/01/2015) [-]
I'm glad you have a sensible view on the situation. I would like to see a source, I've never heard of a genocide of Germans in Poland - and it would be interesting to read about it hopefully from a source not as biased as the other guy posted. I had a subject about genocides in the 20th century in my last semester at college, so I'm a bit interested in the subject. Knowledge about bad things done by the allied side has been kinda suppressed. I didn't know about the terror bombings on Dresden and other German cities until I was 15 or something. However, those things do not whatsoever erase or justify other actions.
#131 - kanedam (06/01/2015) [-]
an interesting topic is also the torture on german pow especially for the reason of getting fake reports of war crimes germans commited.
another interesting topic is how many of the civilians killed by the germans on the east frontier were in fact killed by stalins troops.
i'll try to find proper sources for you, but just so i know: you dont understand german, do you?
#132 - gerfox (06/01/2015) [-]
No, unfortunately not - I'm Norwegian, so I only understand the Scandinavian languages and English. Should definitely try to learn German though. If its a bother to find them sources you don't have to, you seem like a sensible fellow - and I believe you are telling the truth.
#135 - kanedam (06/01/2015) [-]
it is stated like that officially.
but if you watch it you will realise that it mostly covers the topic of german pow getting tortured and their story.
its like: those pow kept their mouth shut until they saw that the usa are still doing the same in abu ghraib... and at that point they wanted to share their story.
or something along those lines
#137 - gerfox (06/01/2015) [-]
I see from the german wiki page though that the director "Prof Dr Michael Vogt" has connections with neo-fascism, which is concerning regarding the films integrity. You don't coincidentally know if he teaches at any university now? I read that he taught at the University of Leipzig until he got kicked out and his books removed from the curriculum after he was accused of being neo-fascist or something?
#138 - kanedam (06/01/2015) [-]
well, thats why the topic is so troublesome.
its a very harsh topic in germany and austria.
you can get in jail or declared a neo-nazi just for saying things like: "hitler did some good things" or "not all nazi commited warcrimes"
the same goes for "stalin also commited war crimes!"
or mentioning the fact that stalin had never signed the geneva convention, making it no war crime to break such rules on the east frontier since it was never declared illegal. while on the western frontier there was almost no rule breaking of the geneva convention.
everyone stating something else than "the nazis were the pure evil" simply gets branded as neo-fascist in germany and austria. even the swastika has to be photoshopped out of games because it isnt allowed to be shown.
and dont even start with the holocaust... its illegal and you will go to jail for just asking if it happened or questioning it.
#104 - germanblood (05/29/2015) [-]
Germany was cut up, most of it's land given to others. It's people persecuted and suffering genocide in several nations, not just Poland.
Germany was also boycotted and embargoed. People were literally starving to death in the streets due to the actions of the terrorist American and British regimes.
The Nazis were the most noble group of people that ever lived.
#107 - gerfox (05/29/2015) [-]
I'm well aware of the fact that there were anti-German tendencies in the world post WW1, and that it made it so that the Weimar republic suffered. The Americans at least gave you loans, and Hoover was strongly in favor of a mild settlement after WW1. Its the French and British you should blame for that.
I'm not aware, and I am still unconvinced since I've been given no proof to otherwise, to a genocide of Germans. I am aware that Germans in Poland earlier had been forced to leave from where they lived, and that can be counted as a genocide in terms with the modern definition - but #21 claims a genocide against Germans were ongoing and the reason why Germany went to war with Poland.
The collective actions of the Nazis is on par with what the Mongols did, and undoubtedly, among the biggest crimes against humanity in the history of mankind.
#116 - gerfox (05/30/2015) [-]
What are you talking about? Of course most of them include only the Holocaust. Most history books do not have room to include a lot of genocides, and therefore only include the biggest, most well-documented and most famous one. Namely the Holocaust. I have a several books in my library about other genocides, and including all genocides in the 20th century. Namibia, Armenia, WW2, Rwanda, Kosovo, Bosnia - they're all there.
What crimes against humanity the nazis did? And you say people haven't read history lol.
To quote the Nuremberg trials: "Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated". Those are crimes against humanity, and the Nazis did every single one of them.
#118 - germanblood (05/30/2015) [-]
For one, everyone knows the Nuremberg trials were a farce.
Quoting the Nuremberg trials is like quoting wikipedia.
Secondly, even if the Nazis did the things you listed, how does that make them any different than every other nation in the world? What government hasn't done some crazy government crap? But compare the Nazis to say, the American regime. And they Nazis don't look bad at all.
#119 - gerfox (05/30/2015) [-]
The Nuremberg trials were the first and fairest settlement after a war that there has ever been. Sure, it was laughably one-sided - and the responsible ones for allied war crimes shouldve been tried too - but apart from that the Nazis deserved what was coming.
The Nuremberg trials, although it was one-sided, did set the presedence for what is to be counted as a war crime. Therefore its not irrelevant.
Even if? Are you a holocaust denier? Do you deny that the Nazis used slave labor in their factories? Do you deny the Blitz on London?
Enslavement, murder, extermination, systematic deportation, terrorism against own citizens, experiments on humans and torture. Please, tell me a single country today where you can fill out all of the above.
The fact that you even claim that the American regime of today is worse than the Nazis makes me question whether you know anything at all, and I'm not even going to dignify such a stupid remark with a proper response. Geez.
#123 - gerfox (05/30/2015) [-]
I'm assuming you're baiting me since thats a pretty stupid comment right there, but I'll bite.
I strongly dislike Nazism and the idea of eugenics since it is inherently cruel - and not substantiated in nothing but xenophobia. You can't be racist against an ideology. I would simiarily dislike a Hutu if I met one who believed that they were superior to the Tutsies, and that they should kill all the Tutsies.
Mexican isn't a political designation, its a nationality, and you most assuredly don't earn that nationality by "stealing jobs, bringing disease and crime".
#76 - anon (05/29/2015) [-]
All of what's written as to the crimes themselves is in the bookscan source .
Not kanedam, just a guy who happens to have source on it.
#88 - gerfox (05/29/2015) [-]
Ive looked through the sources now. Of course, I cant look through the book provided as a source - but the others.
First, I've never heard about "metapedia", but I see they claim to be an "alternative" encyclopedia. So I'm kinda sceptic. My scepticism is strengthened by the fact that when I went to the frontpage and clicked "random article" every other article I came to was related to nazism, anti-semetism and even one portraying the scientific facts of the connection between race and intelligence.
However, I tried googling the author of the book - and Google came up with no results for the name whatsoever.
I won't read the entire newspaper, but in the paper it doesn't mention in the first three pages anything about a "genocide". The reason Hitler gives is that Polish forces had crossed the border to Germany several times. Which we all know is bullshit, and we do know that Germany and the Soviets planned it for a long time.
One of the other sources was a German department. Which you cant possibly claim is a credible source.
The last source was a newspaper in Adelaide, however, in the link linking to it, it also said: "If you are interested in the "actual" truth about Adolf Hitler, Holocaust, and WW2, then the documentary "Adolf Hitler: the greatest story never told" will show you the truth." So there goes the credibility of that source too...
Please, give me something better than this bullshit if you want me to believe it.
#100 - anon (05/29/2015) [-]
I gave you  as the source and you try working your way around it so you can discredit the place it's posted at. Of course metapedia wouldn't be considered a valid place by the likes of you, so is revisionism as a whole, but you prefer it all clean and served on a silver..ahem..shekel platter.
I provided you with the book for a reason - it's a collection of documents, not an author's work. As such one collection, it's got its dates and relevant authors stated, so you better stop being lazy and actually check what I'm providing you with.
Now the Chicago Tribune itself is not really a valuable source, since newspapers can have whatever in them, they're not written by state officials or historians. But you have some preconceptions that 'we all know', yet you avidly refuse to simply doublecheck and assume that there might be something wrong with all this 'clean' history you're being fed. Soviets, on the other hand, were themselves building up an army set for invasion, but then there are handy wikipedia articles to assure you otherwise and claim that some 2000s historians disagree.
And why is a German department not a credible source? If German documentation is not credible, then let us dismiss all their alleged war crimes and the confessions for them, however forced they may be.
The documentary TGSNT is full of sources and credible material, if you so much doubt it or refuse to watch it, then you're refusing to count evidence. Keep in mind there's a whole episode dedicated to the sources, so if you want to discredit it as a sourceless propaganda documentary, think twice. Funny how people never refuse to read or watch conformist material with(for the movies) deep-voiced narrators that make u feel comfy. Please elaborate on what would be better - the example of revisionists dedicating their lives and well-being to bring out a second side to what we've been taught? How about you go through the work and hours upon hours of interviews, pages upon pages of books, trials upon trials that revisionists such as Ernst Zundel, David Irving and others have put up with. I don't want to jump topics, but why is there such a strong lobby interested in keeping Germany demonized, full of fault, full of shame, rid of pride. Not only Germany, but most Christian countries which have contributed more than just colonize.
If it's tl;dr you have no right to claim your opinion holds any validity. Do your reading first, before you start discrediting sources you don't like or don't want to check.
#105 - gerfox (05/29/2015) [-]
The fact is that of the sources provided in the link you provided are two newspapers, a book I can't check, and the view of one of the sides in the conflict.
A German department is not a credible source since they are part of the German state which was at war with Poland at the time. Therefore they can't be neutral.
#109 - anon (05/29/2015) [-]
Can you not open this? I'm not sure what it needs, most probably adobe reader, but it's a solid collection of 100 documents, which you might be interested to read, but a good enough amount is briefly extracted onto the metapedia site. Which is why I gave it to you in the first place, otherwise I would've just given u this scan and told u to come back to me when you've read all of it. Anyway, I don't think I'll continue this argument chain any further. Have a good night
#111 - gerfox (05/29/2015) [-]
As I said, a white paper by a department run by a state involved in the conflict is not a neutral source.
Furthermore, the bullshit of a GOVERNMENT white paper relaly comes through with the title of the first chapter, which is "Development of German-Polish relations and Germany's efforts to maintain peace in Europe". I'll just let that sink in.
#19 - pentol (05/29/2015) [-]
>hitler asks britain repeatedly to get poland to stop killing the germans living in poland.
>germany is at fault for stopping the ethnic cleansing of germans.
>britain declares war
>all sides are justified, even poland, because the treaty of versailes was totally fair, and did not fuck up shit when drawing arbitrary lines on a map.
#47 - anon (05/29/2015) [-]
the treaty happened because of ww1. ww1 happened because of the assassination by Gavrilo Princip.
So britian didnt cause ww2. Gavrilo Princip did.
#60 - gerfox (05/29/2015) [-]
Is that the best you can do? I can take even more leaps than that!
The terms that was bad after WW1 came as a result of a desire for revenge from France because the French lost the 1871 French-German war. One of the motivations for the unification of Germany was the fact that they had been for a while been dominated by Napoleonic (and subsequent) France. Napoleon came to power as a result of tyranny from the rulers and emerging ideas regarding peoples rule and equality from the Renaissance. Renaissance thinkers were influenced by Plato and Aristotle. Plato and Aristotle started WW2.
#35 - alcantara (05/29/2015) [-]
People bring up that it was unfair, because the "unfair" elements led to prolonged French-German tensions particularly in the Rhineland; it led to Italian dissatisfaction having been robbed of promised lands in Austrio-Hungary which is characterised by the "mutilated victory" leading to the rise of militant nationalism in Italy (see Gabriele D'Annuzio's occupation of Fiume), which in turn inspired the Fascists in Italy; it created the weak German economy which would create the conflict that anti-semites could categorically capitalise on, whilst also making the Communists and Socialists a realistic enough threat for the right-wing and centrists to support the Nazi's; it failed to offer support to the Weimar Republic which allowed anti-democratic elements to overpower the democratic elements, one need look no further than the fact that the Weimar Republic was blamed for losing the war despite being formed after it, the punitive measures of the Treaty of Versailles doing nothing more than to show Germans that democracy was weak and flawed.
#65 - hkkkkkk (05/29/2015) [-]
Do you know what's unfair? The Battle of Berlin and the eastern front of WWII in general. Millions murdered, thousands raped, German soldiers fleeing towards the western front hoping to become prisoners of the western powers and not the Soviets. Both Hitler and Stalin (specially the later) sending millions to their death. Everyone knows the treaty of versailles was a failure in all aspects, but I wouldn't call it unfair; Germany lost the war, did you really expect them to be nice to them? Heh.
#90 - alcantara (05/29/2015) [-]
Unfair to mention Soviet rapes and then omit the American and British rapes; without our military leaderships, the response to rape was to effectively laugh it off. Chances are we did it less than the Soviets, a lot less, but then there were a lot more Soviet soldiers, and the Russians suffered a lot more during the war.
You should also mention things like the internment camps for Japanese-Americans; obviously racially motivated, because whilst every Japanese-American was being rounded up, we let Hitler's nephew join the Navy - obviously something more than possible relation to the enemy was the motivating factor.
You are right, war isn't fair; but we aren't talking about war, we are talking about the peace settlement that ended the war - people point out the 'fairness' under the belief that a fair settlement would have prevented the second world war; I doubt it would have, we would have gone to war again, we would just have fought a different war. When it comes to Italian and German Fascism, however, there can be no doubt that their popularity if not viability was entirely dependent on the dissatisfaction created by the unfair elements of the peace treaty.
The provisions of the Treaty of Versailles are such that their content is near irrelevent, for the provisions were almost entirely enforced by domestic parties and therefore a matter of will, but the sheer existence of these hugely self-enforced provisons gave multiple key actors a source of grievance, a powerful hand to play in politics, etc.
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